Re: Re: FSH, LH, etc whiile on TRT?

[Guest guest]

I suspected as much on the LH and FSH. I suppose the only way to ever know

now would be to stop the TRT for a period of time.

Tell me about not doing well...my moods have been swinging from feeling okay

to sobbing in tears, to thinking I wished I was dead (don't worry, I'm not

suicidal).

Tough question is, is it from undertreated thyroid, undertreated T

replacement, or too much E2 and progesterone.

Not a happy place to be at the ripe old age of 42. (Probably not a happy

place to be at any age! :-> )

Re: FSH, LH, etc whiile on TRT?

Estradiol is probably the most important one. 5 G of androgel is actually

very very low. I don't know of anyone who does really well on that level.

LH and FSH are a waste to test because you are on TRT. They will be low

because your body stops sending out those signals when you are on TRT.

Armyguy

> I'm about to order some do it yourself blood tests to try to get

data to

> convince my doctor we haven't really tested everything we should

have, and

> we haven't necessarily taken the correct treatment options.

>

> I'm already on TRT with 5mg Androgel daily. The only thing my

doc's tested

> are Total T and Free T. He's never tested PRL, FSH, LH, or

anything else,

> including what appears to be the all-important E2.

>

> My real question is, which of these tests can have skewed results

because

> I'm on Androgel? Home saliva tests showed too much E2 and

Progesterone, and

> way too much Total T, but the test came with the disclaimer that

if you were

> on HRT creams they could skew the tests.

>

> My thinking is that if LH is the messenger hormone to say to the

testicles

> make more testosterone, if I'm on adequate T replacement, wouldn't

LH be

> artifically low, and therefore not worth testing?

>

> Are any of the " standard " tests recommended here of little value

because I'm

> already on TRT?

>

> If so, which ones do you think I shouldn't waste money on?

[Guest guest]

Hi Bob going on HcG or clomid if you have secondary hypogonadism I am primary

and it did nothing for me my testis are dead. As for the Quest test for E2 they

did the same thing to me I called and talked to the Dr. there and my level was

48 the test number is still good the Assay would be the same 48 if I was real

low then it would show it down to zero.

Phil

Bob <ballen3_2000@...> wrote:

Personally I would do all those test you mentioned. be sure to order

the correct E2, quest ran the incorrect one for me twice already.

The correct for quest is 30289.

Here is the comment on both of the wrong E2 test. No reference

range established for adult males and prepubertal childern. The

Nichols Estradiol assay (extraction/chromatography/ria method) is

recommened. (Order code 30289)

Also your LH ans FSH will be low. But might want to point this out

anyway as it means that your testicles are doing nothing and will

atrophy over time.

On Monday I see my endo, want to switch from androgel to hcG or just

add hcG to the mix. If this works then I would like to try clomid.

Bob

> I'm about to order some do it yourself blood tests to try to get

data to

> convince my doctor we haven't really tested everything we should

have, and

> we haven't necessarily taken the correct treatment options.

>

> I'm already on TRT with 5mg Androgel daily. The only thing my

doc's tested

> are Total T and Free T. He's never tested PRL, FSH, LH, or

anything else,

> including what appears to be the all-important E2.

>

> My real question is, which of these tests can have skewed results

because

> I'm on Androgel? Home saliva tests showed too much E2 and

Progesterone, and

> way too much Total T, but the test came with the disclaimer that

if you were

> on HRT creams they could skew the tests.

>

> My thinking is that if LH is the messenger hormone to say to the

testicles

> make more testosterone, if I'm on adequate T replacement, wouldn't

LH be

> artifically low, and therefore not worth testing?

>

> Are any of the " standard " tests recommended here of little value

because I'm

> already on TRT?

>

> If so, which ones do you think I shouldn't waste money on?

[Guest guest]

I was 39 when I started feeling bad now 60. I never want to ever go back to

them days. I am proof that you will be ok it is a slow process but it works.

Phil

Dave <daultman@...> wrote:

I suspected as much on the LH and FSH. I suppose the only way to ever know

now would be to stop the TRT for a period of time.

Tell me about not doing well...my moods have been swinging from feeling okay

to sobbing in tears, to thinking I wished I was dead (don't worry, I'm not

suicidal).

Tough question is, is it from undertreated thyroid, undertreated T

replacement, or too much E2 and progesterone.

Not a happy place to be at the ripe old age of 42. (Probably not a happy

place to be at any age! :-> )

Re: FSH, LH, etc whiile on TRT?

Estradiol is probably the most important one. 5 G of androgel is actually

very very low. I don't know of anyone who does really well on that level.

LH and FSH are a waste to test because you are on TRT. They will be low

because your body stops sending out those signals when you are on TRT.

Armyguy

> I'm about to order some do it yourself blood tests to try to get

data to

> convince my doctor we haven't really tested everything we should

have, and

> we haven't necessarily taken the correct treatment options.

>

> I'm already on TRT with 5mg Androgel daily. The only thing my

doc's tested

> are Total T and Free T. He's never tested PRL, FSH, LH, or

anything else,

> including what appears to be the all-important E2.

>

> My real question is, which of these tests can have skewed results

because

> I'm on Androgel? Home saliva tests showed too much E2 and

Progesterone, and

> way too much Total T, but the test came with the disclaimer that

if you were

> on HRT creams they could skew the tests.

>

> My thinking is that if LH is the messenger hormone to say to the

testicles

> make more testosterone, if I'm on adequate T replacement, wouldn't

LH be

> artifically low, and therefore not worth testing?

>

> Are any of the " standard " tests recommended here of little value

because I'm

> already on TRT?

>

> If so, which ones do you think I shouldn't waste money on?

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the glimmer of hope. It gets discouraging, very discouraging, at

times. One system after another seems to be turning itself off. It's even

been a big factor in the end of a five year relationship - I was accused of

becoming lazy because my down days got so many - how unsympathetic is

that?!?!

Re: FSH, LH, etc whiile on TRT?

Estradiol is probably the most important one. 5 G of androgel is actually

very very low. I don't know of anyone who does really well on that level.

LH and FSH are a waste to test because you are on TRT. They will be low

because your body stops sending out those signals when you are on TRT.

Armyguy

> I'm about to order some do it yourself blood tests to try to get

data to

> convince my doctor we haven't really tested everything we should

have, and

> we haven't necessarily taken the correct treatment options.

>

> I'm already on TRT with 5mg Androgel daily. The only thing my

doc's tested

> are Total T and Free T. He's never tested PRL, FSH, LH, or

anything else,

> including what appears to be the all-important E2.

>

> My real question is, which of these tests can have skewed results

because

> I'm on Androgel? Home saliva tests showed too much E2 and

Progesterone, and

> way too much Total T, but the test came with the disclaimer that

if you were

> on HRT creams they could skew the tests.

>

> My thinking is that if LH is the messenger hormone to say to the

testicles

> make more testosterone, if I'm on adequate T replacement, wouldn't

LH be

> artifically low, and therefore not worth testing?

>

> Are any of the " standard " tests recommended here of little value

because I'm

> already on TRT?

>

> If so, which ones do you think I shouldn't waste money on?

[Guest guest]

I have gone through all of that people at work would say you don't look sick.

My wife was told that I am Depressed and don't want to force myself to do things

this had us in a divorce. She would say in the morning your not going to work

again and start having a fit. Here your sick as a dog and you put up with this.

I don't think I ever got over her treating me this way and I told her a long

time ago that my health is my problem and if I want her 2 cents I will ask for

it. It makes a big change in your life. We were to the point that we had to

sign the divorce papers and she changed her mind. I told her the only way I

would stay in this marriage is if she got help. We are still together but it is

not the same. I know how you feel and I can tell you you will get better. I

was told I had so many things wrong with me by so many different Dr.'s and it

was just Low Testosterone now 20 yrs ago it was hard today at least some Dr.'s

know to test for Low T. when a man has these

problems. Labeling me with the word Depression made my life a bitch I have to

see those Dr.'s and take the meds. and all it was was Low T.

Phil

Dave <daultman@...> wrote:

Thanks for the glimmer of hope. It gets discouraging, very discouraging, at

times. One system after another seems to be turning itself off. It's even

been a big factor in the end of a five year relationship - I was accused of

becoming lazy because my down days got so many - how unsympathetic is

that?!?!

Re: FSH, LH, etc whiile on TRT?

Estradiol is probably the most important one. 5 G of androgel is actually

very very low. I don't know of anyone who does really well on that level.

LH and FSH are a waste to test because you are on TRT. They will be low

because your body stops sending out those signals when you are on TRT.

Armyguy

> I'm about to order some do it yourself blood tests to try to get

data to

> convince my doctor we haven't really tested everything we should

have, and

> we haven't necessarily taken the correct treatment options.

>

> I'm already on TRT with 5mg Androgel daily. The only thing my

doc's tested

> are Total T and Free T. He's never tested PRL, FSH, LH, or

anything else,

> including what appears to be the all-important E2.

>

> My real question is, which of these tests can have skewed results

because

> I'm on Androgel? Home saliva tests showed too much E2 and

Progesterone, and

> way too much Total T, but the test came with the disclaimer that

if you were

> on HRT creams they could skew the tests.

>

> My thinking is that if LH is the messenger hormone to say to the

testicles

> make more testosterone, if I'm on adequate T replacement, wouldn't

LH be

> artifically low, and therefore not worth testing?

>

> Are any of the " standard " tests recommended here of little value

because I'm

> already on TRT?

>

> If so, which ones do you think I shouldn't waste money on?