Re: DIM and DHT Questions (sorry)

October 7, 2004

Hello -

E2 of 39 isn't that high but I guess that depends on when you were

tested seeing how you're on shots. Based on my brief (2 weeks)

experience with Arimidex, I'd suggest trying something else first –

DIM, etc. DIM doesn't work for everyone but can help the liver's

metabolism to get rid of excess toxins & estrogens. I have a bad

libido problem and Arimidex hasn't helped the cause at all. So far

on a small dose (.25 mg every 3 days) it's caused some brain fog and

lack of sensitivity as well. Bit it has worked great for Phil once

he figured out the dosing.

Dave K.

> I have seen quite a few posts regarding DIM. I have read 's

primer

> articles.

>

> I have been on TRT for nearly 1 year. I have consistent erection

problems. My

> E2 at last check was 39. I took a 100mg shot on Sunday and haven't

been

> sexual all week (and I go to graduate school with the best looking

coeds in the

> world). I am wondering if I have an E2 problem.

>

> I think it might be a good idea to try something natural before

trying

> Arimidex (with Dr. oversight). Does anyone else agree? Why wait?

>

> So I was thinking about trying DIM? Is the BIOresponse the best

brand?

>

> One thing worth mentioning is that I haven't taken zinc all week.

Normally I

> take 30mg/day. I don't take more because I am worried about my

liver.

>

> Also, anyone know if DIM is hard on the liver?

>

> Finally, what is the deal with DHT? Does high DHT make you horny?

Will zinc

> reduce DHT?

>

> At this point, I am able to function so I just want my sex life

back. My

> girlfriend is so horny its a nightmare for me sometimes. It was a

dream before I

> feel sick. But now I feel I let her down a lot. Even 20mg of

Levitra doesn't

> always work.

>

> Thanks for any advice. I work about 18 hours a day on my studies

and haven't

> had time to sort all the messages.

>

> Best,

>

October 7, 2004

I just ordered some DIM to try we'll see what happens. I think I will

try a 50 mg or 25 mg dose first. Prob 50 and adjust down if needed.

I am primary and on 5g of AndroGel daily. Getting a lot of mental

fatigue, skin problems, still some desire problems, and lack of energy.

I'll keep you posted.

> > I have seen quite a few posts regarding DIM. I have read 's

> primer

> > articles.

> >

> > I have been on TRT for nearly 1 year. I have consistent erection

> problems. My

> > E2 at last check was 39. I took a 100mg shot on Sunday and haven't

> been

> > sexual all week (and I go to graduate school with the best looking

> coeds in the

> > world). I am wondering if I have an E2 problem.

> >

> > I think it might be a good idea to try something natural before

> trying

> > Arimidex (with Dr. oversight). Does anyone else agree? Why wait?

> >

> > So I was thinking about trying DIM? Is the BIOresponse the best

> brand?

> >

> > One thing worth mentioning is that I haven't taken zinc all week.

> Normally I

> > take 30mg/day. I don't take more because I am worried about my

> liver.

> >

> > Also, anyone know if DIM is hard on the liver?

> >

> > Finally, what is the deal with DHT? Does high DHT make you horny?

> Will zinc

> > reduce DHT?

> >

> > At this point, I am able to function so I just want my sex life

> back. My

> > girlfriend is so horny its a nightmare for me sometimes. It was a

> dream before I

> > feel sick. But now I feel I let her down a lot. Even 20mg of

> Levitra doesn't

> > always work.

> >

> > Thanks for any advice. I work about 18 hours a day on my studies

> and haven't

> > had time to sort all the messages.

> >

> > Best,

> >

October 7, 2004

Read this:

/message/18476

> I have seen quite a few posts regarding DIM. I have read 's

primer

> articles.

>

> I have been on TRT for nearly 1 year. I have consistent erection

problems. My

> E2 at last check was 39. I took a 100mg shot on Sunday and haven't

been

> sexual all week (and I go to graduate school with the best looking

coeds in the

> world). I am wondering if I have an E2 problem.

>

> I think it might be a good idea to try something natural before

trying

> Arimidex (with Dr. oversight). Does anyone else agree? Why wait?

>

> So I was thinking about trying DIM? Is the BIOresponse the best

brand?

>

> One thing worth mentioning is that I haven't taken zinc all week.

Normally I

> take 30mg/day. I don't take more because I am worried about my

liver.

>

> Also, anyone know if DIM is hard on the liver?

>

> Finally, what is the deal with DHT? Does high DHT make you horny?

Will zinc

> reduce DHT?

>

> At this point, I am able to function so I just want my sex life

back. My

> girlfriend is so horny its a nightmare for me sometimes. It was a

dream before I

> feel sick. But now I feel I let her down a lot. Even 20mg of

Levitra doesn't

> always work.

>

> Thanks for any advice. I work about 18 hours a day on my studies

and haven't

> had time to sort all the messages.

>

> Best,

>

October 7, 2004

I couldn't hold my horses and ordered the stuff from the place in the

article: www.bioresponse.com. Will that not work? I should have waited but I got

anxious.

In a message dated 10/7/2004 12:39:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

pmgamer18@... writes:

Did you get what uses and if you did then you sould read his file on

taking it.

/files/%20Z%27s%20Prime

r%20Articles/

This is what he uses if you know this then just blow me away.

http://www.ritecare.com/prodsheets/PHY-15336.html

I would hate to see you do the same thing I did got the wrong DIM.

Phil

October 7, 2004

If you are primary, on 5g a day and feeling like crap, then it is likely you

need an increased dose, rather than looking at Estrogen, unless E2 is

elevated of course.

Nick

> Re: DIM and DHT Questions (sorry)

>

> I just ordered some DIM to try we'll see what happens. I

> think I will try a 50 mg or 25 mg dose first. Prob 50 and

> adjust down if needed.

> I am primary and on 5g of AndroGel daily. Getting a lot of

> mental fatigue, skin problems, still some desire problems,

> and lack of energy.

>

> I'll keep you posted.

>

> > > I have seen quite a few posts regarding DIM. I have read 's

> > primer

> > > articles.

> > >

> > > I have been on TRT for nearly 1 year. I have consistent erection

> > problems. My

> > > E2 at last check was 39. I took a 100mg shot on Sunday and haven't

> > been

> > > sexual all week (and I go to graduate school with the best looking

> > coeds in the

> > > world). I am wondering if I have an E2 problem.

> > >

> > > I think it might be a good idea to try something natural before

> > trying

> > > Arimidex (with Dr. oversight). Does anyone else agree? Why wait?

> > >

> > > So I was thinking about trying DIM? Is the BIOresponse the best

> > brand?

> > >

> > > One thing worth mentioning is that I haven't taken zinc all week.

> > Normally I

> > > take 30mg/day. I don't take more because I am worried about my

> > liver.

> > >

> > > Also, anyone know if DIM is hard on the liver?

> > >

> > > Finally, what is the deal with DHT? Does high DHT make you horny?

> > Will zinc

> > > reduce DHT?

> > >

> > > At this point, I am able to function so I just want my sex life

> > back. My

> > > girlfriend is so horny its a nightmare for me sometimes. It was a

> > dream before I

> > > feel sick. But now I feel I let her down a lot. Even 20mg of

> > Levitra doesn't

> > > always work.

> > >

> > > Thanks for any advice. I work about 18 hours a day on my studies

> > and haven't

> > > had time to sort all the messages.

> > >

> > > Best,

> > >

October 7, 2004

I just did get a test back and was around 700 ng/dl I believe, maybe a

little more. Is it going to hurt anything to try and see what

happens? I am not going to mess anything up am I?

> > > > I have seen quite a few posts regarding DIM. I have read 's

> > > primer

> > > > articles.

> > > >

> > > > I have been on TRT for nearly 1 year. I have consistent erection

> > > problems. My

> > > > E2 at last check was 39. I took a 100mg shot on Sunday and haven't

> > > been

> > > > sexual all week (and I go to graduate school with the best looking

> > > coeds in the

> > > > world). I am wondering if I have an E2 problem.

> > > >

> > > > I think it might be a good idea to try something natural before

> > > trying

> > > > Arimidex (with Dr. oversight). Does anyone else agree? Why wait?

> > > >

> > > > So I was thinking about trying DIM? Is the BIOresponse the best

> > > brand?

> > > >

> > > > One thing worth mentioning is that I haven't taken zinc all week.

> > > Normally I

> > > > take 30mg/day. I don't take more because I am worried about my

> > > liver.

> > > >

> > > > Also, anyone know if DIM is hard on the liver?

> > > >

> > > > Finally, what is the deal with DHT? Does high DHT make you horny?

> > > Will zinc

> > > > reduce DHT?

> > > >

> > > > At this point, I am able to function so I just want my sex life

> > > back. My

> > > > girlfriend is so horny its a nightmare for me sometimes. It was a

> > > dream before I

> > > > feel sick. But now I feel I let her down a lot. Even 20mg of

> > > Levitra doesn't

> > > > always work.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for any advice. I work about 18 hours a day on my studies

> > > and haven't

> > > > had time to sort all the messages.

> > > >

> > > > Best,

> > > >

October 7, 2004

You T is fine but you should have the E2 checked first before taking anything

for to lower it.

Phil

jasonangus2 <jasonangus2@...> wrote:

I just did get a test back and was around 700 ng/dl I believe, maybe a

little more. Is it going to hurt anything to try and see what

happens? I am not going to mess anything up am I?

> > > > I have seen quite a few posts regarding DIM. I have read 's

> > > primer

> > > > articles.

> > > >

> > > > I have been on TRT for nearly 1 year. I have consistent erection

> > > problems. My

> > > > E2 at last check was 39. I took a 100mg shot on Sunday and haven't

> > > been

> > > > sexual all week (and I go to graduate school with the best looking

> > > coeds in the

> > > > world). I am wondering if I have an E2 problem.

> > > >

> > > > I think it might be a good idea to try something natural before

> > > trying

> > > > Arimidex (with Dr. oversight). Does anyone else agree? Why wait?

> > > >

> > > > So I was thinking about trying DIM? Is the BIOresponse the best

> > > brand?

> > > >

> > > > One thing worth mentioning is that I haven't taken zinc all week.

> > > Normally I

> > > > take 30mg/day. I don't take more because I am worried about my

> > > liver.

> > > >

> > > > Also, anyone know if DIM is hard on the liver?

> > > >

> > > > Finally, what is the deal with DHT? Does high DHT make you horny?

> > > Will zinc

> > > > reduce DHT?

> > > >

> > > > At this point, I am able to function so I just want my sex life

> > > back. My

> > > > girlfriend is so horny its a nightmare for me sometimes. It was a

> > > dream before I

> > > > feel sick. But now I feel I let her down a lot. Even 20mg of

> > > Levitra doesn't

> > > > always work.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for any advice. I work about 18 hours a day on my studies

> > > and haven't

> > > > had time to sort all the messages.

> > > >

> > > > Best,

> > > >

October 7, 2004

Thanks.

I will follow your dosages and see how it goes. Then get E2 measured in two

to three weeks 5 days after my shot and at the same time.

Best,

In a message dated 10/7/2004 4:48:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

davidzxxx2004@... writes:

> I couldn't hold my horses and ordered the stuff from the place in the

> article: www.bioresponse.com. Will that not work? I should have waited

but I got

> anxious.

That's the real thing. If it's going to work for you, that should do

it.

-

October 7, 2004

Hi this is what you have.

http://store./vitanet/dim120tasona.html

DIM 120 Tabs Source Naturals

Description: Dim is an indole phytochemical that is a natural metabolic of

compounds found in crucieferous vegetables such as broccoli, Brussels sprouts

and cabbage. In animal and in-vitro studies. DIM has been shown to lead to the

preferential formation of estrogen, and cervical tissues. This unique property

sets DIM apart from other plant nutrients. Source Naturals DIM is combined with

phosphatidyl choline, vitamin E and bioperine for enhanced absorption.

Directions: 1-4 tablets per day with meals, or as recommended. by your health

care professional.

This is what I tried and it did not work.

http://search.store./cgi-bin/nsearch?query=dim & first=10 & only=0 & categ=al\

l & catalog=vitanet

DIM-Plus, 120 Tablets, Nature's Way

Addresses Key Consumer Needs:

*Promotes healthy estrogen metabolism.

*Relieves PMS symptoms.

*Promotes fat loss.

*Supports breast, cervical, uterine and prostate health.

Benefits of DIM-plus:

DIM-plus contains diindolylmethant, a phytonutrient found in cruciferous

vegetables including broccoli, brussels sprouts, cabbage, cauliflower and kale.

Unlike other plant nutrients such as soy isoflavones, diindolylmethant has

unique hormonal benefits. It supports the activity of enzymes that improve

estrogen metabolism. Scientific research shows diindolylmethane increases the

level of " good " estrogens (2-hydroxyestrogen) while reducing the level of " bad "

estrogens (16-hydroxyestrogen).

The DIM-plus Difference:

Patented Complex: DIM-plus contains BioResponse-DIM and its patented, enhanced

bioavailability delivery system for diindolylmethant.

Enhanced Absorption:

The bioavailability of DIM-plus is superior to regular diindolymethane and its

unstable precursor, indole-3 carbinol (l3C). With DIM-plus you are assured a

stabilized dose and consistent benefit from each capsule.

Extra Cruciferous Vegetables:

DIM-plus also contains the unique Protectamins cruciferous vegetable blend

(spinach, cabbage and concentrated broccoli powders) for added phytonutrients.

Serving Size 2 Capsules

Amount Per Serving - Daily Value %

Vitamin E - 9 IU - 30% (as d-alpha tocopheryl succinate)

BioResponse-DIM complex - 100 mg (patented, enhanced bioavailability complex

containing 25% diindolylmethane) starch, diindolylmethane, natural vitamin E,

phosphatidylcholine, silica

Protectamins - 100 mg spinach powder, cabbage powder, concentrated broccoli

powder

Other Ingredients: Cellulose, Gelatin, chlorophyll.

Recommended Dose:

(Women): Take two capsules daily with food.

(Men): Take two capsules twice daily with food.

For Intensive Use:

(Women & Men): Take up to double the recommended dose

What is diindolylmethane, and what are its benefits?

Diindolylmethane is an indole plant nutrient found in cruciferous vegetables

including broccoli, cabbage, brussels sprouts and cauliflower. Yet unlike other

plant nutrients such as soy isoflavones, diindolylmethane has unique and

distinct hormonal benefits. It supports the activity of specific enzymes that

improve estrogen metabolism. Scientific research shows diindoly]methane

increases the level of “good” estrogens (2-hydroxyestrogcn) while reducing the

level of “bad” estrogens (16-hydroxyestrogen).

The health benefits of “enhanced absorption” diindolylmethanc are four-fold:

1. promotes healthy estrogen metabolism. *

2. relieves PMS symptoms.*

3. promotes fat loss. *

4. supports healthy breast, cervical, uterine and prostate tissues.*

Why enhanced absorption?

Diindolylmethane is normally insoluble in water and fats, making it poorly

absorbed by the body. But when combined with vitamin E and phosphatidylcholine,

then micro & shy;encapsulated, diindolylmethane becomes bioavailable. Nature’s Way

DIM-plus™ is a unique formula containing the patented, “enhanced absorption”

form of diindolylmethane developed by A. Zeligs, M.D.

how is diindolylmethane different than indole-3-carbinol?

Indole-3-carbinol (13C) is the unstable and inactive precursor to

diindolyl & shy;methane. 13C first has to be converted into diindolylmethane while

in the digestive tract in order to become active. The degree of conversion can

vary significantly depending upon each individual’s stomach acid pH level, diet

and other physiological factors. Just how much diindolylmethane you’re getting

from 13C is unpredictable. But with Nature’s Way DIM-plus™, you are assured a

consistent dose of diindolylmethane with each and every capsule.

Why not just eat more cruciferous vegetables?

To get the same health benefit as two capsules of Nature’s Way DIM-plus™ you

would have to eat nearly two pounds of raw or lightly cooked broccoli. For many

people, broccoli is delicious, but try to eat that amount consistently everyday!

What is the proper dose of DIM-plus™?

In his paperback book, All About DIM (Avery, 2000), Dr. Zeligs recommends women

take 100 to 200 mg of “enhanced absorption~~ diindolylmethane daily.

For fat loss he notes a daily dose of 300 mg was helpful as part of an overall

weight management program. Men, however, should take up to 400 mg per day when

they are engaged in exercise training programs.

With Nature’s Way DIM-plus™ it’s easy to match Dr. Zeligs’ recommended dosage as

each serving contains 100 mg of “enhanced absorption” diindoly]methane, plus an

additional 100 mg of Protectamins© cruciferous vegetable blend.

about Zeligs, M.D.

Dr. Zeligs graduated from the University of California, Santa Barbara, and

received his postgraduate medical training from the University of California,

Irvine, College of Medicine. His research interests include nutrition and

promoting healthy aging.

And this is what uses.

Are you sure you have the right stuff.

Phil

Indolplex tm tablet large phytopharmica

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jasonangus2 <jasonangus2@...> wrote:

I did read his file, and that propelled me to order it. I did not get

that same brand, I think mine was Source Naturals in a 100 mg tablet.

> > > I have seen quite a few posts regarding DIM. I have read 's

> > primer

> > > articles.

> > >

> > > I have been on TRT for nearly 1 year. I have consistent erection

> > problems. My

> > > E2 at last check was 39. I took a 100mg shot on Sunday and haven't

> > been

> > > sexual all week (and I go to graduate school with the best looking

> > coeds in the

> > > world). I am wondering if I have an E2 problem.

> > >

> > > I think it might be a good idea to try something natural before

> > trying

> > > Arimidex (with Dr. oversight). Does anyone else agree? Why wait?

> > >

> > > So I was thinking about trying DIM? Is the BIOresponse the best

> > brand?

> > >

> > > One thing worth mentioning is that I haven't taken zinc all week.

> > Normally I

> > > take 30mg/day. I don't take more because I am worried about my

> > liver.

> > >

> > > Also, anyone know if DIM is hard on the liver?

> > >

> > > Finally, what is the deal with DHT? Does high DHT make you horny?

> > Will zinc

> > > reduce DHT?

> > >

> > > At this point, I am able to function so I just want my sex life

> > back. My

> > > girlfriend is so horny its a nightmare for me sometimes. It was a

> > dream before I

> > > feel sick. But now I feel I let her down a lot. Even 20mg of

> > Levitra doesn't

> > > always work.

> > >

> > > Thanks for any advice. I work about 18 hours a day on my studies

> > and haven't

> > > had time to sort all the messages.

> > >

> > > Best,

> > >

October 7, 2004

> Hi this is what you have.

> http://store./vitanet/dim120tasona.html

>.DIM 120 Tabs Source Naturals

> Description: Dim is an indole phytochemical that is a natural

metabolic of

> compounds found in crucieferous vegetables such as broccoli, Brussels

sprouts

> and cabbage. In animal and in-vitro studies. DIM has been shown to

lead to the

> preferential formation of estrogen, and cervical tissues. This unique

property

> sets DIM apart from other plant nutrients. Source Naturals DIM is

combined with

> phosphatidyl choline, vitamin E and bioperine for enhanced absorption.

This product is NOT manufactured under the BioResponse patent. My guess

is that it wont work. And whoever tries it will probably end up saying

" gee, I tried DIM and it didn't work. " And other people will hear that

and believe the " DIM doesn't work. "

October 7, 2004

After looking, I am sure I prob didn't get the right stuff. I'll see

if I can cancel. Thanks for the insight.

> > > > I have seen quite a few posts regarding DIM. I have read 's

> > > primer

> > > > articles.

> > > >

> > > > I have been on TRT for nearly 1 year. I have consistent erection

> > > problems. My

> > > > E2 at last check was 39. I took a 100mg shot on Sunday and

haven't

> > > been

> > > > sexual all week (and I go to graduate school with the best

looking

> > > coeds in the

> > > > world). I am wondering if I have an E2 problem.

> > > >

> > > > I think it might be a good idea to try something natural before

> > > trying

> > > > Arimidex (with Dr. oversight). Does anyone else agree? Why wait?

> > > >

> > > > So I was thinking about trying DIM? Is the BIOresponse the best

> > > brand?

> > > >

> > > > One thing worth mentioning is that I haven't taken zinc all week.

> > > Normally I

> > > > take 30mg/day. I don't take more because I am worried about my

> > > liver.

> > > >

> > > > Also, anyone know if DIM is hard on the liver?

> > > >

> > > > Finally, what is the deal with DHT? Does high DHT make you horny?

> > > Will zinc

> > > > reduce DHT?

> > > >

> > > > At this point, I am able to function so I just want my sex life

> > > back. My

> > > > girlfriend is so horny its a nightmare for me sometimes. It was a

> > > dream before I

> > > > feel sick. But now I feel I let her down a lot. Even 20mg of

> > > Levitra doesn't

> > > > always work.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for any advice. I work about 18 hours a day on my studies

> > > and haven't

> > > > had time to sort all the messages.

> > > >

> > > > Best,

> > > >

October 7, 2004

I couldn't cancel - so I'll just give it a shot and report back later.

> > > > > I have seen quite a few posts regarding DIM. I have read

's

> > > > primer

> > > > > articles.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have been on TRT for nearly 1 year. I have consistent

erection

> > > > problems. My

> > > > > E2 at last check was 39. I took a 100mg shot on Sunday and

> haven't

> > > > been

> > > > > sexual all week (and I go to graduate school with the best

> looking

> > > > coeds in the

> > > > > world). I am wondering if I have an E2 problem.

> > > > >

> > > > > I think it might be a good idea to try something natural

before

> > > > trying

> > > > > Arimidex (with Dr. oversight). Does anyone else agree? Why

wait?

> > > > >

> > > > > So I was thinking about trying DIM? Is the BIOresponse the

best

> > > > brand?

> > > > >

> > > > > One thing worth mentioning is that I haven't taken zinc all

week.

> > > > Normally I

> > > > > take 30mg/day. I don't take more because I am worried about

my

> > > > liver.

> > > > >

> > > > > Also, anyone know if DIM is hard on the liver?

> > > > >

> > > > > Finally, what is the deal with DHT? Does high DHT make you

horny?

> > > > Will zinc

> > > > > reduce DHT?

> > > > >

> > > > > At this point, I am able to function so I just want my sex

life

> > > > back. My

> > > > > girlfriend is so horny its a nightmare for me sometimes. It

was a

> > > > dream before I

> > > > > feel sick. But now I feel I let her down a lot. Even 20mg

of

> > > > Levitra doesn't

> > > > > always work.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks for any advice. I work about 18 hours a day on my

studies

> > > > and haven't

> > > > > had time to sort all the messages.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best,

> > > > >

October 7, 2004

I'll try to practice restraint and not dissuade the whole board that

DIM is a lost cause. After I try this product I will try the other

one as well just to be fair. All in the name of science.

:-)

>

> > Hi this is what you have.

> > http://store./vitanet/dim120tasona.html

> >.DIM 120 Tabs Source Naturals

>

> > Description: Dim is an indole phytochemical that is a natural

> metabolic of

> > compounds found in crucieferous vegetables such as broccoli, Brussels

> sprouts

> > and cabbage. In animal and in-vitro studies. DIM has been shown to

> lead to the

> > preferential formation of estrogen, and cervical tissues. This unique

> property

> > sets DIM apart from other plant nutrients. Source Naturals DIM is

> combined with

> > phosphatidyl choline, vitamin E and bioperine for enhanced absorption.

>

> This product is NOT manufactured under the BioResponse patent. My guess

> is that it wont work. And whoever tries it will probably end up saying

> " gee, I tried DIM and it didn't work. " And other people will hear that

> and believe the " DIM doesn't work. "

October 7, 2004

How much did you pay for it.

Phil

jasonangus2 <jasonangus2@...> wrote:

I couldn't cancel - so I'll just give it a shot and report back later.

> > > > > I have seen quite a few posts regarding DIM. I have read

's

> > > > primer

> > > > > articles.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have been on TRT for nearly 1 year. I have consistent

erection

> > > > problems. My

> > > > > E2 at last check was 39. I took a 100mg shot on Sunday and

> haven't

> > > > been

> > > > > sexual all week (and I go to graduate school with the best

> looking

> > > > coeds in the

> > > > > world). I am wondering if I have an E2 problem.

> > > > >

> > > > > I think it might be a good idea to try something natural

before

> > > > trying

> > > > > Arimidex (with Dr. oversight). Does anyone else agree? Why

wait?

> > > > >

> > > > > So I was thinking about trying DIM? Is the BIOresponse the

best

> > > > brand?

> > > > >

> > > > > One thing worth mentioning is that I haven't taken zinc all

week.

> > > > Normally I

> > > > > take 30mg/day. I don't take more because I am worried about

my

> > > > liver.

> > > > >

> > > > > Also, anyone know if DIM is hard on the liver?

> > > > >

> > > > > Finally, what is the deal with DHT? Does high DHT make you

horny?

> > > > Will zinc

> > > > > reduce DHT?

> > > > >

> > > > > At this point, I am able to function so I just want my sex

life

> > > > back. My

> > > > > girlfriend is so horny its a nightmare for me sometimes. It

was a

> > > > dream before I

> > > > > feel sick. But now I feel I let her down a lot. Even 20mg

of

> > > > Levitra doesn't

> > > > > always work.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks for any advice. I work about 18 hours a day on my

studies

> > > > and haven't

> > > > > had time to sort all the messages.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best,

> > > > >

October 7, 2004

SOURCE NATURALS DIM SN1520 1 5.93

(Diindolylmethane) 100 mg

30 tabs

I purchased from Vitaglo.com - if you have not used them before they

seem to be pretty decent. I order my Beverly Internation protein from

them usually.

> > > > > > I have seen quite a few posts regarding DIM. I have read

> 's

> > > > > primer

> > > > > > articles.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have been on TRT for nearly 1 year. I have consistent

> erection

> > > > > problems. My

> > > > > > E2 at last check was 39. I took a 100mg shot on Sunday and

> > haven't

> > > > > been

> > > > > > sexual all week (and I go to graduate school with the best

> > looking

> > > > > coeds in the

> > > > > > world). I am wondering if I have an E2 problem.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I think it might be a good idea to try something natural

> before

> > > > > trying

> > > > > > Arimidex (with Dr. oversight). Does anyone else agree? Why

> wait?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So I was thinking about trying DIM? Is the BIOresponse the

> best

> > > > > brand?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > One thing worth mentioning is that I haven't taken zinc all

> week.

> > > > > Normally I

> > > > > > take 30mg/day. I don't take more because I am worried about

> my

> > > > > liver.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Also, anyone know if DIM is hard on the liver?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Finally, what is the deal with DHT? Does high DHT make you

> horny?

> > > > > Will zinc

> > > > > > reduce DHT?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > At this point, I am able to function so I just want my sex

> life

> > > > > back. My

> > > > > > girlfriend is so horny its a nightmare for me sometimes. It

> was a

> > > > > dream before I

> > > > > > feel sick. But now I feel I let her down a lot. Even 20mg

> of

> > > > > Levitra doesn't

> > > > > > always work.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks for any advice. I work about 18 hours a day on my

> studies

> > > > > and haven't

> > > > > > had time to sort all the messages.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best,

> > > > > >

October 7, 2004

> I couldn't cancel - so I'll just give it a shot and report back later.

Can you return it unopened?

October 7, 2004

My source is a better price 5.87. But then what are a few pennies. They don't

carry the DIM that uses but I am working on that.

http://store./vitanet/dim30tasona.html

Phil

jasonangus2 <jasonangus2@...> wrote:

SOURCE NATURALS DIM SN1520 1 5.93

(Diindolylmethane) 100 mg

30 tabs

I purchased from Vitaglo.com - if you have not used them before they

seem to be pretty decent. I order my Beverly Internation protein from

them usually.

> > > > > > I have seen quite a few posts regarding DIM. I have read

> 's

> > > > > primer

> > > > > > articles.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have been on TRT for nearly 1 year. I have consistent

> erection

> > > > > problems. My

> > > > > > E2 at last check was 39. I took a 100mg shot on Sunday and

> > haven't

> > > > > been

> > > > > > sexual all week (and I go to graduate school with the best

> > looking

> > > > > coeds in the

> > > > > > world). I am wondering if I have an E2 problem.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I think it might be a good idea to try something natural

> before

> > > > > trying

> > > > > > Arimidex (with Dr. oversight). Does anyone else agree? Why

> wait?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So I was thinking about trying DIM? Is the BIOresponse the

> best

> > > > > brand?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > One thing worth mentioning is that I haven't taken zinc all

> week.

> > > > > Normally I

> > > > > > take 30mg/day. I don't take more because I am worried about

> my

> > > > > liver.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Also, anyone know if DIM is hard on the liver?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Finally, what is the deal with DHT? Does high DHT make you

> horny?

> > > > > Will zinc

> > > > > > reduce DHT?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > At this point, I am able to function so I just want my sex

> life

> > > > > back. My

> > > > > > girlfriend is so horny its a nightmare for me sometimes. It

> was a

> > > > > dream before I

> > > > > > feel sick. But now I feel I let her down a lot. Even 20mg

> of

> > > > > Levitra doesn't

> > > > > > always work.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks for any advice. I work about 18 hours a day on my

> studies

> > > > > and haven't

> > > > > > had time to sort all the messages.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best,

> > > > > >

October 7, 2004

Let me know if you have any luck getting them to stock it.

> > > > > > > I have seen quite a few posts regarding DIM. I have read

> > 's

> > > > > > primer

> > > > > > > articles.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have been on TRT for nearly 1 year. I have consistent

> > erection

> > > > > > problems. My

> > > > > > > E2 at last check was 39. I took a 100mg shot on Sunday and

> > > haven't

> > > > > > been

> > > > > > > sexual all week (and I go to graduate school with the best

> > > looking

> > > > > > coeds in the

> > > > > > > world). I am wondering if I have an E2 problem.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I think it might be a good idea to try something natural

> > before

> > > > > > trying

> > > > > > > Arimidex (with Dr. oversight). Does anyone else agree? Why

> > wait?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So I was thinking about trying DIM? Is the BIOresponse the

> > best

> > > > > > brand?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > One thing worth mentioning is that I haven't taken zinc all

> > week.

> > > > > > Normally I

> > > > > > > take 30mg/day. I don't take more because I am worried about

> > my

> > > > > > liver.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Also, anyone know if DIM is hard on the liver?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Finally, what is the deal with DHT? Does high DHT make you

> > horny?

> > > > > > Will zinc

> > > > > > > reduce DHT?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > At this point, I am able to function so I just want my sex

> > life

> > > > > > back. My

> > > > > > > girlfriend is so horny its a nightmare for me sometimes. It

> > was a

> > > > > > dream before I

> > > > > > > feel sick. But now I feel I let her down a lot. Even 20mg

> > of

> > > > > > Levitra doesn't

> > > > > > > always work.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks for any advice. I work about 18 hours a day on my

> > studies

> > > > > > and haven't

> > > > > > > had time to sort all the messages.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Best,

> > > > > > >

October 7, 2004

I am sure I could. At $5 though - I'll just keep it and order the

recomended one. Thanks for your help .

>

> > I couldn't cancel - so I'll just give it a shot and report back later.

>

> Can you return it unopened?

October 7, 2004

> I couldn't hold my horses and ordered the stuff from the place in the

> article: www.bioresponse.com. Will that not work? I should have waited

but I got

> anxious.

That's the real thing. If it's going to work for you, that should do

it.

-

October 7, 2004

> Thanks.

You're welcome.

> I will follow your dosages and see how it goes.

What dosages are those?

> Then get E2 measured in two to three

> weeks 5 days after my shot and at the same time.

If you let me know you whole plan, I may have some suggestions.

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