Guest guest Posted April 20, 2004 Report Share Posted April 20, 2004 You can try at www.allthingsmale.com Also, you might want to consider using an anti-aging clinic to purchase your HCG. Its cheap. Also, you can buy via allthingsmale.com assuming he takes you as a patient. All of these places can order the blood work. Your insurance might even cover the lab tests. What is your hypo from. If you are unsure, then check your ferritin iron. Best, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2004 Report Share Posted April 20, 2004 WH, Hopefully, they can find the cause of your hypogonadism. If you " ferritin " iron is anywhere near 300, then you should give blood and get the level down. Iron overload is my problem. Sometimes if you catch it early enough your condition will revert to normal. Good luck, In a message dated 4/20/2004 4:00:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pond@... writes: Hi , I have been diagnosed with 'idiopathic' secondary HH, i.e., they dunno why I have HH. Wow, HCG is a lot cheaper than I thought! Thanks for the contact, this may work for me. Best regards, WH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2004 Report Share Posted April 20, 2004 Hi , I have been diagnosed with 'idiopathic' secondary HH, i.e., they dunno why I have HH. Wow, HCG is a lot cheaper than I thought! Thanks for the contact, this may work for me. Best regards, WH > You can try at www.allthingsmale.com > > Also, you might want to consider using an anti-aging clinic to purchase your > HCG. Its cheap. Also, you can buy via allthingsmale.com assuming he takes you > as a patient. All of these places can order the blood work. Your insurance > might even cover the lab tests. > > What is your hypo from. If you are unsure, then check your ferritin iron. > > Best, > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2004 Report Share Posted April 20, 2004 , I added ferritin iron to my bloodwork and will know in a week where I am on that. I understand while the general population has a 1/200 chance of one of the 40 genetic mutations that can cause Hemochromatosis Scot-Irish have better than a 1/100 chance. I find it odd that my Endo never requested this test and I had to ask for it. Best regards, WH > > You can try at www.allthingsmale.com > > > > Also, you might want to consider using an anti-aging clinic to > purchase your > > HCG. Its cheap. Also, you can buy via allthingsmale.com assuming he > takes you > > as a patient. All of these places can order the blood work. Your > insurance > > might even cover the lab tests. > > > > What is your hypo from. If you are unsure, then check your ferritin > iron. > > > > Best, > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2004 Report Share Posted April 20, 2004 On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 20:46:16 -0000, you wrote: > >, > >I added ferritin iron to my bloodwork and will know in a week where I >am on that. I understand while the general population has a 1/200 >chance of one of the 40 genetic mutations that can cause >Hemochromatosis Scot-Irish have better than a 1/100 chance. I find it >odd that my Endo never requested this test and I had to ask for it. Welcome to the world of endos. I had to ask mine for Free T test!!!He was only looking at total T. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2004 Report Share Posted April 20, 2004 Hi, WH- My opinions: Your current endos. do not understand why E2 in important, so that means they don't understand why " old school " TRT is doomed to eventually fail: E2 levels start creeping up. So you're right to seek another specialist. They're also being helpful in finding one, but you might have to do more searching yourself. To find a knowledgable specialist, I called a pellet mfgr.: Bartor Pharmical, in Rye, NY, 914-967-4219. Another might be College Pharmacy, Colorado, 800-888-9358. Now, you don't have to go on pellets, but any doctor who uses them should be fully proficient in knowing the necessary tests for and clinical treatment of hypogonadism. About your proposals to your endos: Choice 1: I don't know enough about HCG to comment. Choice 2: " Increase Testim to 15 gms/day " does seem " experimental " to me; more importantly it seems pointless without E2 management. Choice 3: " Add arimidex or anastrozole to the mix " seems like a good direction, but it requires supervision by a doctor who knows what it is and what tests to monitor in follow-ups. Your endo.s aren't qualified. Choice 4. " Adding a 100 mg. depo test injection to the mix " also seems " experimental " to me; more importantly it seems pointless without E2 management. Hope this is helpful, Bruce > I am just back from my Endocrinologist and need some help. > > I went in armed with a lot of documents printed off from the internet > to argue for a higher dose of T. My first choice was to try HCG and > get off the Testim/Androgel, 2nd was to up my Testim to 15 gms../day, > 3rd was to add arimidex or anastrozole to the mix, 4th was to suggest > adding a 100 mg. depo test injection to the mix. I would have tried > the pellets as well. Long story short, all of these were > deemed 'experimental therapies' and they are not supported by this > office of three endocrinologists. This is a main Endocrinology office > in Cincinnati. > > I asked for E2 estradiol to be added to my CBC, PSA, etc. bloodwork > and they would not do it. Why is interesting. They will not check E2 > in men; only women, because they " would not know what to do with the > result " . > > The good news in this is that this Endo is willing to allow me to > find an Endo that practices these techniques and then allow that > treatment plan through her office on a consulting basis. This Endo > feels that I need to find a University Hospital where androgen issues > are the primary focus. (The University of Cincinnati does not focus > on androgen issues). So the question is what is the closest > University hospital that focuses on androgen issues to the Cincinnati > Ohio area? > > Please note that I have called all major pharmacies in the area and > no pharmacist knows of an Endo or doctor in the area uses HCG in men; > or pellets; or combined depo-test injections used with the gel. > > This has been so very frustrating and unnecessarily so. > > Thanks to everyone who has spent the time to make this place such a > great resource for people like me. > > WH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2004 Report Share Posted April 21, 2004 Hi Bruce, This is a brilliant idea! I will make the calls today. Thanks. Best regards, WH > > I am just back from my Endocrinologist and need some help. > > > > I went in armed with a lot of documents printed off from the > internet > > to argue for a higher dose of T. My first choice was to try HCG > and > > get off the Testim/Androgel, 2nd was to up my Testim to 15 > gms../day, > > 3rd was to add arimidex or anastrozole to the mix, 4th was to > suggest > > adding a 100 mg. depo test injection to the mix. I would have > tried > > the pellets as well. Long story short, all of these were > > deemed 'experimental therapies' and they are not supported by > this > > office of three endocrinologists. This is a main Endocrinology > office > > in Cincinnati. > > > > I asked for E2 estradiol to be added to my CBC, PSA, etc. > bloodwork > > and they would not do it. Why is interesting. They will not check > E2 > > in men; only women, because they " would not know what to do > with the > > result " . > > > > The good news in this is that this Endo is willing to allow me to > > find an Endo that practices these techniques and then allow > that > > treatment plan through her office on a consulting basis. This > Endo > > feels that I need to find a University Hospital where androgen > issues > > are the primary focus. (The University of Cincinnati does not > focus > > on androgen issues). So the question is what is the closest > > University hospital that focuses on androgen issues to the > Cincinnati > > Ohio area? > > > > Please note that I have called all major pharmacies in the area > and > > no pharmacist knows of an Endo or doctor in the area uses > HCG in men; > > or pellets; or combined depo-test injections used with the gel. > > > > This has been so very frustrating and unnecessarily so. > > > > Thanks to everyone who has spent the time to make this place > such a > > great resource for people like me. > > > > WH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2004 Report Share Posted April 21, 2004 Hi, May I suggest Dr. R. Don Gambrell of Augusta GA as an expert in treating andopause for decades with pellet therapy. He is a recognized authority in this field. Was taught his skills by Dr. Greenblatt who pioneered horomone therapy and taught at the Medical College of Georgia at Augusta. His web site is: http://www.members.aol.com/gambr999/ ernestnolan > I am just back from my Endocrinologist and need some help. > > I went in armed with a lot of documents printed off from the internet > to argue for a higher dose of T. My first choice was to try HCG and > get off the Testim/Androgel, 2nd was to up my Testim to 15 gms../day, > 3rd was to add arimidex or anastrozole to the mix, 4th was to suggest > adding a 100 mg. depo test injection to the mix. I would have tried > the pellets as well. Long story short, all of these were > deemed 'experimental therapies' and they are not supported by this > office of three endocrinologists. This is a main Endocrinology office > in Cincinnati. > > I asked for E2 estradiol to be added to my CBC, PSA, etc. bloodwork > and they would not do it. Why is interesting. They will not check E2 > in men; only women, because they " would not know what to do with the > result " . > > The good news in this is that this Endo is willing to allow me to > find an Endo that practices these techniques and then allow that > treatment plan through her office on a consulting basis. This Endo > feels that I need to find a University Hospital where androgen issues > are the primary focus. (The University of Cincinnati does not focus > on androgen issues). So the question is what is the closest > University hospital that focuses on androgen issues to the Cincinnati > Ohio area? > > Please note that I have called all major pharmacies in the area and > no pharmacist knows of an Endo or doctor in the area uses HCG in men; > or pellets; or combined depo-test injections used with the gel. > > This has been so very frustrating and unnecessarily so. > > Thanks to everyone who has spent the time to make this place such a > great resource for people like me. > > WH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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