Guest guest Posted March 7, 2005 Report Share Posted March 7, 2005 On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 22:39:39 -0000, you wrote: > I get periods of what I >think are hot flashes but I cannot discern a pattern, or trigger to >them. Does anybody else expereince this, and if so, have you made >an E2 connection? Did they become less frequent after getting E2 >under control? > >BTW - I did eventially get my DIM package, so please disregard my >earlier criticism of RiteCare Pharmacy. Hmm I think hot flashes are from E2 being too low. Or T being too low. Not from it being high. Think menopause. Low E brings hot flashes. Did they start after you started DIM? - - - - Just another albino black sheep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2005 Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 Hi Dale, Seems like low T or pituitary/hypothalamus problems can cause male hot flashes. Estrogens might play a part too, but info. on estrogens & men continues to be sparse. http://www.intelihealth.com/IH/ihtIH/WSIHW000/9339/25423.html or http://tinyurl.com/3htqw " Although hot flashes usually are considered a female problem, men can have hot flashes if their levels of the male sex hormone testosterone drop suddenly and dramatically. For example, hot flashes occur in 75 percent of men with prostate cancer who have surgery to remove the testes (orchiectomy) or who take medication to decrease testosterone levels. " " Symptoms that mimic hot flashes can occur in both men and women who have a tumor of the hypothalamus or pituitary gland, certain serious infections such as tuberculosis or HIV, alcoholism or thyroid disorders. Symptoms that are similar to hot flashes also can be a side effect of the food additive monosodium glutamate (MSG), or of certain medications, particularly nitroglycerin (sold under many brand names), nifedipine (Procardia, Adalat), niacin (numerous brand names), vancomycin (Vancocin) and calcitonin (Calcimar, Cibacalcin, Miacalcin). " Bruce > > I have seen many references to nipple sensitivity being indicative > of high E2, but what about " hot flashes " ? I get periods of what I > think are hot flashes but I cannot discern a pattern, or trigger to > them. Does anybody else expereince this, and if so, have you made > an E2 connection? Did they become less frequent after getting E2 > under control? > > BTW - I did eventially get my DIM package, so please disregard my > earlier criticism of RiteCare Pharmacy. > > Thanks.../Dale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2005 Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 I get night sweats when the E2 is high. Sometimes I am wet all over & the bed is wet. Have not had that problem since DIM. > > I have seen many references to nipple sensitivity being indicative > of high E2, but what about " hot flashes " ? I get periods of what I > think are hot flashes but I cannot discern a pattern, or trigger to > them. Does anybody else expereince this, and if so, have you made > an E2 connection? Did they become less frequent after getting E2 > under control? > > BTW - I did eventially get my DIM package, so please disregard my > earlier criticism of RiteCare Pharmacy. > > Thanks.../Dale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2005 Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 " " " Sometimes I am wet all over & the bed is wet " " " Wow gin2c, are you describing hot flushes or a good orgasm! _________________________________________ Randle ________ Re: Hot flashes? > I get night sweats when the E2 is high. > Sometimes I am wet all over & the bed is wet. > Have not had that problem since DIM. > > > >> >> I have seen many references to nipple sensitivity being indicative >> of high E2, but what about " hot flashes " ? I get periods of what I >> think are hot flashes but I cannot discern a pattern, or trigger to >> them. Does anybody else expereince this, and if so, have you made >> an E2 connection? Did they become less frequent after getting E2 >> under control? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2005 Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 Thanks - well, the responses confirm my confusion. E2 too high, E2 too low, T too low, etc.! My blood tests, infrequent as they are, indicate that my E2 is on the high side (with consistent T in the 700's), so I am suspicious of spikes in E2, but not sure if it means a high or low spike. I have had these occassional bouts with hot flashes almost ever since beginning TRT. I do notice them often after having a cocktail, but not always. I cannot discern any other triggers, and do get them just as often without any alcohol being involved. I have tried to equate them with female hot flashes, and believe I have read where they are caused by high estrogen spikes as women's hormonal levels are adjusting. The claims for DIM would validate that (use for estrogen balance, prevent hot flashes, etc.). I have been on Nature's Way DIM for a good year, and cannot associate the hot flashes with the DIM usage. I am now trying PhytoPharmica DIM, and will closely monitor whether I still get them. Bruce's comments about other possible causes is interesting and I will investigate those further. Thanks.../Dale > > > > I have seen many references to nipple sensitivity being indicative > > of high E2, but what about " hot flashes " ? I get periods of what I > > think are hot flashes but I cannot discern a pattern, or trigger to > > them. Does anybody else expereince this, and if so, have you made > > an E2 connection? Did they become less frequent after getting E2 > > under control? > > > > BTW - I did eventially get my DIM package, so please disregard my > > earlier criticism of RiteCare Pharmacy. > > > > Thanks.../Dale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2005 Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 I do I get Hot Flashes had one yesterday had to take 1/4 of and Arimidex pill this is my way of telling my E2 is high. I got so wet I had to change my shirt. Phil nayaiu2b <dbeckes@...> wrote: I have seen many references to nipple sensitivity being indicative of high E2, but what about " hot flashes " ? I get periods of what I think are hot flashes but I cannot discern a pattern, or trigger to them. Does anybody else expereince this, and if so, have you made an E2 connection? Did they become less frequent after getting E2 under control? BTW - I did eventially get my DIM package, so please disregard my earlier criticism of RiteCare Pharmacy. Thanks.../Dale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2005 Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 But men and women are not the same when it comes to Estrogens women get Estrogens for a different process then men. Men get Estrogens from Testosterone for women if there E drops they have problems. But for men they have normal low levels of E and when it goes up it blocks the or takes the place the Testosterone goes to so the benafit of having the T with high E2 is lost and symptoms start Feelings of panic, Hot flashes, feeling Deprssed, fatigued, loss of libido, ED, inlarged prostate and more. This link is a board discussion with Dr. . http://tinyurl.com/6rlp6 http://www.smart-drugs.com/ias-estrogen.htm http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle.do?article=150estro Phil Bruce <bruceharvey@...> wrote: Hi Dale, Seems like low T or pituitary/hypothalamus problems can cause male hot flashes. Estrogens might play a part too, but info. on estrogens & men continues to be sparse. http://www.intelihealth.com/IH/ihtIH/WSIHW000/9339/25423.html or http://tinyurl.com/3htqw " Although hot flashes usually are considered a female problem, men can have hot flashes if their levels of the male sex hormone testosterone drop suddenly and dramatically. For example, hot flashes occur in 75 percent of men with prostate cancer who have surgery to remove the testes (orchiectomy) or who take medication to decrease testosterone levels. " " Symptoms that mimic hot flashes can occur in both men and women who have a tumor of the hypothalamus or pituitary gland, certain serious infections such as tuberculosis or HIV, alcoholism or thyroid disorders. Symptoms that are similar to hot flashes also can be a side effect of the food additive monosodium glutamate (MSG), or of certain medications, particularly nitroglycerin (sold under many brand names), nifedipine (Procardia, Adalat), niacin (numerous brand names), vancomycin (Vancocin) and calcitonin (Calcimar, Cibacalcin, Miacalcin). " Bruce > > I have seen many references to nipple sensitivity being indicative > of high E2, but what about " hot flashes " ? I get periods of what I > think are hot flashes but I cannot discern a pattern, or trigger to > them. Does anybody else expereince this, and if so, have you made > an E2 connection? Did they become less frequent after getting E2 > under control? > > BTW - I did eventially get my DIM package, so please disregard my > earlier criticism of RiteCare Pharmacy. > > Thanks.../Dale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2005 Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 I would get hot flashes before going on TRT. As E2 was not an issue for me, in my case it was caused by low T. Or I suppose it could have been caused by low E2 as well. My E2 test came back low then as well, probably because my body didn't have any testosterone being made to convert to E2. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 > >> > >> I have seen many references to nipple sensitivity being indicative > >> of high E2, but what about " hot flashes " ? I get periods of what I > >> think are hot flashes but I cannot discern a pattern, or trigger to > >> them. Does anybody else expereince this, and if so, have you made > >> an E2 connection? Did they become less frequent after getting E2 > >> under control? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 Well, there could be any number of reasons for this. One could be that your thyroid dose needs adjusting, and testing should include FreeT3 and FreeT4 as well as the standard TSH that they pretty much always do.  It could be from a drop in estrogen, which can be tested with a blood sample.  It could be from a medication you are taking. It could be from high blood pressure spikes. It could be from some other condition or illness of which you are not yet aware.  Try the simple things first and proceed one by one till you find out what is going on. All good wishes for you to find out what is going on.  <>Roni Immortality exists! It's called knowledge!  Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> From: bqueenin <Baw0929@...> Subject: Hot flashes? hypothyroidism Date: Sunday, February 13, 2011, 9:35 PM I've read the posts on this site for several months now, and there seems to be a consistent theme that one of the symptoms/ongoing issues of hypothyrodism is being cold. Has anyone had problems with hot flashes? I was diagnosed with hypoT and Hashi's last summer and have been on Levoxyl since then. But, unlike others I struggle with intense hot flashes. I am 55, had a total hysterectomy in '03, no HRT at this time and am otherwise basically healthy. The hot flashes started about the time I was diagnosed. I live in AZ so one could chalk it up to our high temps during the summer, but that's not the case. I will break out in such a sweat even when it is quite cool outside. Has anyone else had this problem? If so, any suggestions as to what can be done? Thank you. Beth ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 I also get what we call " Hot flushes " . I have put it down to menopause. In fact I don't get them as often as I did say a year ago. But I've been having them for about 5 yrs now. I am 52. I also live in a very hot climate in mid-northern South Australia. I don't feel the cold as much as most people in fact I like it! It is difficult to get to sleep if I am cold though. I have socks and a hot water bottle. Then I get too hot during the night and have to fling all the covers off. I find wearing cotton if possible helps. On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 4:05 PM, bqueenin <Baw0929@...> wrote: > > > I've read the posts on this site for several months now, and there seems to > be a consistent theme that one of the symptoms/ongoing issues of > hypothyrodism is being cold. Has anyone had problems with hot flashes? I was > diagnosed with hypoT and Hashi's last summer and have been on Levoxyl since > then. But, unlike others I struggle with intense hot flashes. I am 55, had a > total hysterectomy in '03, no HRT at this time and am otherwise basically > healthy. The hot flashes started about the time I was diagnosed. I live in > AZ so one could chalk it up to our high temps during the summer, but that's > not the case. I will break out in such a sweat even when it is quite cool > outside. Has anyone else had this problem? If so, any suggestions as to what > can be done? > > Thank you. > Beth > > > -- www.giftedchildren.webs.com Fun & challenging activities for Gifted Children Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 being hypothyroid can often go hand in hand with low adrenal reserve ...your adrenal glands may be pumping out more adrenaline than cortisol and adrenaline can be a cause of hot flashes. the following links should give you a good idea. particularly worth doing is the temperature chart. http://www.drrind.com/therapies/metabolic-symptoms-matrix http://www.drrind.com/therapies/metabolic-temperature-graph http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/ > > I've read the posts on this site for several months now, and there seems to be a consistent theme that one of the symptoms/ongoing issues of hypothyrodism is being cold. Has anyone had problems with hot flashes? I was diagnosed with hypoT and Hashi's last summer and have been on Levoxyl since then. But, unlike others I struggle with intense hot flashes. I am 55, had a total hysterectomy in '03, no HRT at this time and am otherwise basically healthy. The hot flashes started about the time I was diagnosed. I live in AZ so one could chalk it up to our high temps during the summer, but that's not the case. I will break out in such a sweat even when it is quite cool outside. Has anyone else had this problem? If so, any suggestions as to what can be done? > > Thank you. > Beth > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 The hot and cold periods that I used to have before I was off T4, and put on T3 only, were different than if I get hot or cold now. The cold was one that I call cold from theinside, bone chilling, completely encompassing. Now, if I get cold because it is cold, it's external and coming from outside of me. Hot flashes can occur if there is too much thyroid, so that need to be checked and managed very carefully. <>Roni Immortality exists! It's called knowledge!  Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> From: Trish <fielddot@...> Subject: Re: Hot flashes? hypothyroidism Date: Monday, February 14, 2011, 5:04 AM being hypothyroid can often go hand in hand with low adrenal reserve ...your adrenal glands may be pumping out more adrenaline than cortisol and adrenaline can be a cause of hot flashes. the following links should give you a good idea.   particularly worth doing is the temperature chart. http://www.drrind.com/therapies/metabolic-symptoms-matrix http://www.drrind.com/therapies/metabolic-temperature-graph http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/ > > I've read the posts on this site for several months now, and there seems to be a consistent theme that one of the symptoms/ongoing issues of hypothyrodism is being cold. Has anyone had problems with hot flashes? I was diagnosed with hypoT and Hashi's last summer and have been on Levoxyl since then. But, unlike others I struggle with intense hot flashes. I am 55, had a total hysterectomy in '03, no HRT at this time and am otherwise basically healthy. The hot flashes started about the time I was diagnosed. I live in AZ so one could chalk it up to our high temps during the summer, but that's not the case. I will break out in such a sweat even when it is quite cool outside. Has anyone else had this problem? If so, any suggestions as to what can be done? > > Thank you. > Beth > ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 My adrenals were fine, and were tested several times. However, I was still cold and ran a very low temperature. When the levothyroxine was finally stopped and liothyronine was given to me instead, my temps have come up, I no longer have that bone chilling cold like I did before, and the numbness that the doctors were calling neuropathy has stopped too.  I still think that doctors need to see and talk to a patient and have their entire background and do all the necessary testing before pronouning that a particular symptom comes from this, that or the other thing.  I have nothing against these two doctors, but like some allopathic doctors I've met, I don't think knee jerk diagnoses are in the patients' interests. JMHA! <>Roni Immortality exists! It's called knowledge!  Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> From: Trish <fielddot@...> Subject: Re: Hot flashes? hypothyroidism Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 11:28 PM >Well, now I feel that my scepticism and caution to Dr. Rind and his statements and methods is vindicated. what statements by dr rind have given you cause to be sceptical roni and likewise, what methods are you referring to? one link i provided gave a list of signs and symptoms of adrenal fatigue symptoms versus low thyroid and the other gave a practical illustration of how to monitor daily temperature. i think it was dr broda barnes who originally noted the temperature situation with regard to low metabolic function and from what i can see, dr rind is just repeating the same. it is well known that less than optimal adrenal function needs to be attended to before thyroid hormone can work as designed ...in the patient information leaflet for thyroxine it warns about not giving thyroxine to people with poor adrenal function. > > > From: <res075oh@...> > Subject: Re: Hot flashes? > hypothyroidism > Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 8:55 AM > > > I'd be very leery of following the advice of anyone who has a > professional record like Dr. Rind.� This is a link to the specific file > which details the charges which were brought: > . > > > http://www.circare.org/pd/rindmdorder_20001220.pdf > > . > . > Among the charges against Dr. Rind: > . > > ...is guilty of immoral or unprofessional conduct in the practice of > medicine; > ...fails to meet appropriate standards as determined by appropriate peer > review for the delivery of quality medical and surgical care... > ...willfully submits false statements to collect fees for which services > are not provided... > ...fails to keep adequate medical records... > . > The above is followed by several pages of documentation of these and > other charges.� I'd copy the whole batch here but it's a pdf file that I > can't see how to do so.� I don't think I will allow it as an > attachment. > > > . > . > > > >� � ���Posted by: " Trish " fielddot@... > >� � ���<mailto:fielddot@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Hot%20flashes%3F> > >� � ���trishruk <trishruk> > > > > > >� � � ���Mon Feb 14, 2011 5:04 am (PST) > > > > > > > > > > > > being hypothyroid can often go hand in hand with low adrenal reserve > > ...your adrenal glands may be pumping out more adrenaline than > > cortisol and adrenaline can be a cause of hot flashes. the following > > links should give you a good idea. particularly worth doing is the > > temperature chart. > > > > http://www.drrind.com/therapies/metabolic-symptoms-matrix > > <http://www.drrind.com/therapies/metabolic-symptoms-matrix> > > > > http://www.drrind.com/therapies/metabolic-temperature-graph > > <http://www.drrind.com/therapies/metabolic-temperature-graph> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 in response to the post james made saying " Among the charges against Dr. Rind: ..... " you said: >Well, now I feel that my scepticism and caution to Dr. Rind and his statements and methods is vindicated. and i asked: what statements by dr rind have given you cause to be sceptical roni and likewise, what methods are you referring to? you haven't answered either question so i repeat, what statements by dr rind have given you cause to be sceptical roni and likewise, what methods are you referring to? you also say: I have nothing against these two doctors who is the other doctor you are referring to ..? > > > > Well, now I feel that my scepticism and caution to Dr. Rind and his statements and methods�is vindicated. > > > > From: <res075oh@> > > Subject: Re: Hot flashes? > > hypothyroidism > > Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 8:55 AM > > > > > > I'd be very leery of following the advice of anyone who has a > > professional record like Dr. Rind.� This is a link to the specific file > > which details the charges which were brought: > > . > > > > > http://www.circare.org/pd/rindmdorder_20001220.pdf > > > > . > > . > > Among the charges against Dr. Rind: > > . > > > > ...is guilty of immoral or unprofessional conduct in the practice of > > medicine; > > ...fails to meet appropriate standards as determined by appropriate peer > > review for the delivery of quality medical and surgical care... > > ...willfully submits false statements to collect fees for which services > > are not provided... > > ...fails to keep adequate medical records... > > . > > The above is followed by several pages of documentation of these and > > other charges.� I'd copy the whole batch here but it's a pdf file that I > > can't see how to do so.� I don't think I will allow it as an > > attachment. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 Trish, as I've stated many times before, each of us is entitled to his or her opinion. I gave you my feelings about this matter, and I am really not of a mind to go back and research how and why I came the the conclusions that are mine at this point.  I refer you to my answer, which, if you read it carefully will show that I did answer your questions. It may not be what you wanted, but it is what I wanted. I also stated that these were my opinions. The other doctor, which I just remembered is Dr. Broda Barns(spelling?). I believe that on line diagnoses are by their nature, insufficient and prone to error. You can hold whatever beliefs you wish.  I certainly hope you don't intend to start another back and forth, go nowhere argument such as we've seen here before. I have no intention of participating in that. My adrenals were fine, and were tested several times. However, I was still cold and ran a very low temperature. When the levothyroxine was finally stopped and liothyronine was given to me instead, my temps have come up, I no longer have that bone chilling cold like I did before, or the numbness that the doctors were calling neuropathy, which has stopped too. > � > I still think that doctors need to see and talk to a patient and have their entire background and do all the necessary testing before pronouning that a particular symptom comes from this, that or the other thing. > � > I have nothing against these two doctors, but like some allopathic doctors I've met, I don't think knee jerk diagnoses are in the patients' interests. JMHO! >   <>Roni Immortality exists! It's called knowledge!  Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> From: Trish <fielddot@...> Subject: Re: Hot flashes? hypothyroidism Date: Wednesday, February 16, 2011, 12:48 PM in response to the post james made saying " Among the charges against Dr. Rind: ..... " you said: >Well, now I feel that my scepticism and caution to Dr. Rind and his statements and methods is vindicated. and i asked: what statements by dr rind have given you cause to be sceptical roni and likewise, what methods are you referring to? you haven't answered either question so i repeat, what statements by dr rind have given you cause to be sceptical roni and likewise, what methods are you referring to? you also say: I have nothing against these two doctors who is the other doctor you are referring to ..? > > > > Well, now I feel that my scepticism and caution to Dr. Rind and his statements and methods�is vindicated. > > > > From: <res075oh@> > > Subject: Re: Hot flashes? > > hypothyroidism > > Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 8:55 AM > > > > > > I'd be very leery of following the advice of anyone who has a > > professional record like Dr. Rind.� This is a link to the specific file > > which details the charges which were brought: > > . > > > > > http://www.circare.org/pd/rindmdorder_20001220.pdf > > > > . > > . > > Among the charges against Dr. Rind: > > . > > > > ...is guilty of immoral or unprofessional conduct in the practice of > > medicine; > > ...fails to meet appropriate standards as determined by appropriate peer > > review for the delivery of quality medical and surgical care... > > ...willfully submits false statements to collect fees for which services > > are not provided... > > ...fails to keep adequate medical records... > > . > > The above is followed by several pages of documentation of these and > > other charges.� I'd copy the whole batch here but it's a pdf file that I > > can't see how to do so.� I don't think I will allow it as an > > attachment. > > > > ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 >I refer you to my answer, which, if you read it carefully will show that I did answer your questions. It may not be what you wanted, but it is what I wanted. I also stated that these were my opinions. it's not a question of " what i wanted " roni, i was/am interested to know what is the *reasoning* behind your statement: >Well, now I feel that my scepticism and caution to Dr. Rind and his statements and methods is vindicated i have re-read your answers (more than twice) >I still think that doctors need to see and talk to a patient and have their entire background and do all the necessary testing before pronouning that a particular symptom comes from this, that or the other thing. >I have nothing against these two doctors, but like some allopathic doctors I've met, I don't think knee jerk diagnoses are in the patients' interests. JMHA! and i do not see how they correlate with the question " what statements by dr rind have given you cause to be sceptical. whilst i heartily agree with your first statement i fail to see why you think it is relevant in relation to the question in respect of your stated sceptism of dr rind's methods...what are dr rind's methods? ...the links i posted gave *information* so that a person reading it could see if they identified with x, y or z symptom and take it from there in an intelligent manner should they find they were suffering from x, y or z symptom. >The other doctor, which I just remembered is Dr. Broda Barns(spelling?). I believe that on line diagnoses are by their nature, insufficient and prone to error. You can hold whatever beliefs you wish. although it is not clear, you seem to be connecting dr barnes with the obvious limitations of on-line diagnostics. dr barnes died some time before the modern internet became available...although he was certainly ahead of his time, i am not aware that he practiced medicine from beyond the grave! regarding seeing and talking to patients and having their entire backgrounds and doing all necessary testing...is that what happens in america....bravo if it does and i can certainly understand some people's reticence to the adoption of the british model that does not embrace such thoroughness. > Trish, as I've stated many times before, each of us is entitled to his or her opinion. I gave you my feelings about this matter, and I am really not of a mind to go back and research how and why I came the the conclusions that are mine at this point. > � > I refer you to my answer, which, if you read it carefully will show that I did answer your questions. It may not be what you wanted, but it is what I wanted. I also stated that these were my opinions. > The other doctor, which I just remembered is Dr. Broda Barns(spelling?). I believe that on line diagnoses are by their nature, > insufficient and prone to error. You can hold whatever beliefs you wish. > � > I certainly hope you don't intend to start another back and forth, go nowhere argument > such as we've seen here before. I have�no intention of participating in that. My adrenals were fine, and were tested several times. However, I was still cold and ran a very low temperature. When the levothyroxine was finally stopped and liothyronine was given to me instead, my temps have come up, I no longer have that bone chilling cold like I did before,�or the numbness that the doctors were calling neuropathy, which�has stopped too. > > � > > I still think that doctors need to see and talk to a patient and have their entire background and do all the necessary testing before pronouning that a particular symptom comes from this, that or the other thing. > > � > > I have nothing against these two doctors, but like some allopathic doctors I've met, I don't think knee jerk diagnoses are in the patients' interests. JMHO! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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