Re: to Lavonne

[Guest guest]

Lavonne,

Just so you have all the info to consider, I have corresponded with

current patients with Dr. Shippen who have told me that he has backed

off his statement in his book (it was written in 1998 I believe) that

shots are the worst form of TRT. In fact, he now recommends, as one

of his protocols, small subq shots of Test. This is a pretty strange

protocol, but he has recommended/prescribed it.

Norton is correct that shots tend to convert Test to E2, more that

other delivery systems, so it is imperative to keep an eye on the

E2.

Many people like shots over AG or HCG as it may be more convenient,

one tiny prick a week versus smearing gel every morning. Also, some

folks has stated that shots just " make them feel better " . So, as

with everything on this board, YMMV.

Good Luck.

> Shippen says and

> many here agree that the shots are the worst way to deliver T as

> they cause an initial high pooling of T which converts to estrogen.

> I really think you and he should consider having a local good

> compounding pharmacy make up some 10% Testosterone gel that he can

> smear a 1/4 teaspoon on each bicep or very low fat area. What I

> don't understand is his reaction to the shots. He should still feel

> better and stronger, he should get noctural erections and be more

> interested in sex. Maybe the excess estrogen is robbing his body

of

> the T he needs.

> let us know how things go

> best wishes

> norton

[Guest guest]

Tallen,

When you say Shippen recommends " small subq shots of Test "

Do you know what dosage and where the subq should be injected? Also,

does he recommend this in addition to other TRT or on it's own?

Cheers,

Armyguy

> > Shippen says and

> > many here agree that the shots are the worst way to deliver T as

> > they cause an initial high pooling of T which converts to

estrogen.

> > I really think you and he should consider having a local good

> > compounding pharmacy make up some 10% Testosterone gel that he

can

> > smear a 1/4 teaspoon on each bicep or very low fat area. What I

> > don't understand is his reaction to the shots. He should still

feel

> > better and stronger, he should get noctural erections and be

more

> > interested in sex. Maybe the excess estrogen is robbing his

body

> of

> > the T he needs.

> > let us know how things go

> > best wishes

> > norton

[Guest guest]

I am not really sure what the protocol was. The person who I was

conversing with didn't want to post the protocol as Dr. Shippen

didn't want the protocol in the mainstream. I think the shots were

subq in the belly and were very low, i.e. 40-50 mg every 3 or 4 days,

or something similar.

> > > Shippen says and

> > > many here agree that the shots are the worst way to deliver T

as

> > > they cause an initial high pooling of T which converts to

> estrogen.

> > > I really think you and he should consider having a local good

> > > compounding pharmacy make up some 10% Testosterone gel that he

> can

> > > smear a 1/4 teaspoon on each bicep or very low fat area. What

I

> > > don't understand is his reaction to the shots. He should still

> feel

> > > better and stronger, he should get noctural erections and be

> more

> > > interested in sex. Maybe the excess estrogen is robbing his

> body

> > of

> > > the T he needs.

> > > let us know how things go

> > > best wishes

> > > norton

[Guest guest]

What I don't understand about the " in the belly shots " are

a) What size needle you use because anything smaller than 25 guage

and there is no way you are going to be able to squeeze any t out.

Do you inject right in the muscle??? Or do you only do this if

you have a significant amount of stomach fat and inject in the

stomach fat. I tried this once, needle went in the muscle and it

didn't feel right, so haven't been doing it since.

Armyguy

> > > > Shippen says and

> > > > many here agree that the shots are the worst way to deliver

T

> as

> > > > they cause an initial high pooling of T which converts to

> > estrogen.

> > > > I really think you and he should consider having a local

good

> > > > compounding pharmacy make up some 10% Testosterone gel that

he

> > can

> > > > smear a 1/4 teaspoon on each bicep or very low fat area.

What

> I

> > > > don't understand is his reaction to the shots. He should

still

> > feel

> > > > better and stronger, he should get noctural erections and be

> > more

> > > > interested in sex. Maybe the excess estrogen is robbing his

> > body

> > > of

> > > > the T he needs.

> > > > let us know how things go

> > > > best wishes

> > > > norton

[Guest guest]

That was my understanding that you do the shot subq in the fat of the

stomach (i.e. " in the belly). I think the needle was a 27 guage. I

think it was a small amount of T, ie. 40-50 mgs. I will see if the

person being seen by shippen will illuminate.

> > > > > Shippen says and

> > > > > many here agree that the shots are the worst way to deliver

> T

> > as

> > > > > they cause an initial high pooling of T which converts to

> > > estrogen.

> > > > > I really think you and he should consider having a local

> good

> > > > > compounding pharmacy make up some 10% Testosterone gel that

> he

> > > can

> > > > > smear a 1/4 teaspoon on each bicep or very low fat area.

> What

> > I

> > > > > don't understand is his reaction to the shots. He should

> still

> > > feel

> > > > > better and stronger, he should get noctural erections and

be

> > > more

> > > > > interested in sex. Maybe the excess estrogen is robbing

his

> > > body

> > > > of

> > > > > the T he needs.

> > > > > let us know how things go

> > > > > best wishes

> > > > > norton