Re: Sore Joints and Muscles ernestnolan

[Guest guest]

I called the Dr. that does pellets here in MI. The Dr. that I gave

you the link to and he sold the practice to a nether Dr. I just got

off the phone the Dr. does not work with any BCBC so I have to pay

out of my pocket. It is $40.00 a pellet and $150.00 to put them

in. But you have to see him for a office visit that cost $175.00.

And the most pellets he will give you is 6 to 8 75 mgs pellets. And

they only last 6 weeks. I made sure that we were talking about the

same kind of T. pellets and they are the same as yours. This Dr.

here is ripping people off not giving enough pellets so you are

coming back every 6 weeks. Now I know why he does not work with

BCBS. The first set of pellets would cost $645.00 then every 6

weeks it would be $470.00. This comes out to $4248.33 a year a lot

more then your $1300. So that takes care of that idea. I think I

am going to stop using the testim and just give my self a shot once

a week.

> > > >

> > > > They say in a lot of articles that I have read that if you

have

> high

> > > > E2 Estradiol and you get it down you will have higher levels

of

> > > > testosterone on less TRT.

> > > > This was not the case for me before getting my E2 down I

would not

> > > > feel good unless my T levels were over 800 my Dr. would keep

> them at

> > > > 1000. So to do this I would use a Gel now Testim 10 grams a

day

> and

> > > > get a shot 200 mgs every other week. When I got my

Estradiol down

> > > > my levels shot way up over what the lab could measure. So

we not

> > > > having any experience with this E2 stopped the shots. Then

my

> > > > having osteoarthritis in my back and using Vioxx I though

all the

> > > > pain I was having was from stopping Vioxx because it was

pulled of

> > > > the market. Boy was I wrong. In the last 2 weeks I have

gone

> in to

> > > > my Dr.'s and gotten a 100 mg. shot to see if the pain in my

joints

> > > > and muscles would go away. Will the first shot took 2 days

to work

> > > > and my pain was 50% better for 3 days. Now the pain came

back so

> > > > last Wed. I got a nether shot and today I have no pain. So

what is

> > > > it the shots or the levels that cause the pain. Back in the

day if

> > > > I got an infection and my levels went down I would got sore

joints

> > > > and muscles but the pain was not like this. I think that if

my

> > > > levels are to low and my being older the pain is higher

because of

> > > > the osteoarthritis getting worse. I asked my Dr. if I could

use

> > > > more Testim I am now using 10 grams or 2 tubes he said no I

am on

> > > > the highest dose approved by the FDA. So if anyone is doing

more

> > > > then 10 grams of Testim or Andorgel please let me know. I

am not

> > > > going to do both and if I am going to do shots my BCBS is

giving me

> > > > a hard time about paying for the script for the shots and

> syringes.

> > > > They say that unless the gel is not working they will not

pay for

> > > > the shots.

> > > > Phil

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hi,

This is nearly criminal.

The pellets do not dissolve any faster than 4 months.

The lower dose will result in no patients getting any benefit as the

level of T will go up for a few weeks giving the patient easy

erections until the T level stabilizes as whatever low level results

much below the needed 800-1000.

This is not unlike the Boston Medical Group that also is a poor

provider of TRT at a high cost, ripping of the public.

If you check with Dr Gambrell he bases his formula for the pellets on

his many years (decades) of experience. He had many form Hollywood

flying in every 4 months in the 80's. Bob Hope was mentioned as one

that received pellets throughout his life. Not sure if he was a

patient of Dr. Greenblatt or not.

ernestnolan

> > > > >

> > > > > They say in a lot of articles that I have read that if you

> have

> > high

> > > > > E2 Estradiol and you get it down you will have higher levels

> of

> > > > > testosterone on less TRT.

> > > > > This was not the case for me before getting my E2 down I

> would not

> > > > > feel good unless my T levels were over 800 my Dr. would keep

> > them at

> > > > > 1000. So to do this I would use a Gel now Testim 10 grams a

> day

> > and

> > > > > get a shot 200 mgs every other week. When I got my

> Estradiol down

> > > > > my levels shot way up over what the lab could measure. So

> we not

> > > > > having any experience with this E2 stopped the shots. Then

> my

> > > > > having osteoarthritis in my back and using Vioxx I though

> all the

> > > > > pain I was having was from stopping Vioxx because it was

> pulled of

> > > > > the market. Boy was I wrong. In the last 2 weeks I have

> gone

> > in to

> > > > > my Dr.'s and gotten a 100 mg. shot to see if the pain in my

> joints

> > > > > and muscles would go away. Will the first shot took 2 days

> to work

> > > > > and my pain was 50% better for 3 days. Now the pain came

> back so

> > > > > last Wed. I got a nether shot and today I have no pain. So

> what is

> > > > > it the shots or the levels that cause the pain. Back in the

> day if

> > > > > I got an infection and my levels went down I would got sore

> joints

> > > > > and muscles but the pain was not like this. I think that if

> my

> > > > > levels are to low and my being older the pain is higher

> because of

> > > > > the osteoarthritis getting worse. I asked my Dr. if I could

> use

> > > > > more Testim I am now using 10 grams or 2 tubes he said no I

> am on

> > > > > the highest dose approved by the FDA. So if anyone is doing

> more

> > > > > then 10 grams of Testim or Andorgel please let me know. I

> am not

> > > > > going to do both and if I am going to do shots my BCBS is

> giving me

> > > > > a hard time about paying for the script for the shots and

> > syringes.

> > > > > They say that unless the gel is not working they will not

> pay for

> > > > > the shots.

> > > > > Phil

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Yes it is criminal and I am still looking for a Dr. that does this her in Mi. I

can't be flying to get pellets every 4 months I am a care-giver to an 84 yr. old

and find it hard at times to go to the show. It is too bad that it is so hard

to find Dr.'s the treat all forms of low T. with all the different treatments.

If you here of a Dr. here in Mi. let me know. I tryed to get my Dr. to do this

but he said no.

Thanks Phil

ernestnolan <emiles@...> wrote:

Hi,

This is nearly criminal.

The pellets do not dissolve any faster than 4 months.

The lower dose will result in no patients getting any benefit as the

level of T will go up for a few weeks giving the patient easy

erections until the T level stabilizes as whatever low level results

much below the needed 800-1000.

This is not unlike the Boston Medical Group that also is a poor

provider of TRT at a high cost, ripping of the public.

If you check with Dr Gambrell he bases his formula for the pellets on

his many years (decades) of experience. He had many form Hollywood

flying in every 4 months in the 80's. Bob Hope was mentioned as one

that received pellets throughout his life. Not sure if he was a

patient of Dr. Greenblatt or not.

ernestnolan

> > > > >

> > > > > They say in a lot of articles that I have read that if you

> have

> > high

> > > > > E2 Estradiol and you get it down you will have higher levels

> of

> > > > > testosterone on less TRT.

> > > > > This was not the case for me before getting my E2 down I

> would not

> > > > > feel good unless my T levels were over 800 my Dr. would keep

> > them at

> > > > > 1000. So to do this I would use a Gel now Testim 10 grams a

> day

> > and

> > > > > get a shot 200 mgs every other week. When I got my

> Estradiol down

> > > > > my levels shot way up over what the lab could measure. So

> we not

> > > > > having any experience with this E2 stopped the shots. Then

> my

> > > > > having osteoarthritis in my back and using Vioxx I though

> all the

> > > > > pain I was having was from stopping Vioxx because it was

> pulled of

> > > > > the market. Boy was I wrong. In the last 2 weeks I have

> gone

> > in to

> > > > > my Dr.'s and gotten a 100 mg. shot to see if the pain in my

> joints

> > > > > and muscles would go away. Will the first shot took 2 days

> to work

> > > > > and my pain was 50% better for 3 days. Now the pain came

> back so

> > > > > last Wed. I got a nether shot and today I have no pain. So

> what is

> > > > > it the shots or the levels that cause the pain. Back in the

> day if

> > > > > I got an infection and my levels went down I would got sore

> joints

> > > > > and muscles but the pain was not like this. I think that if

> my

> > > > > levels are to low and my being older the pain is higher

> because of

> > > > > the osteoarthritis getting worse. I asked my Dr. if I could

> use

> > > > > more Testim I am now using 10 grams or 2 tubes he said no I

> am on

> > > > > the highest dose approved by the FDA. So if anyone is doing

> more

> > > > > then 10 grams of Testim or Andorgel please let me know. I

> am not

> > > > > going to do both and if I am going to do shots my BCBS is

> giving me

> > > > > a hard time about paying for the script for the shots and

> > syringes.

> > > > > They say that unless the gel is not working they will not

> pay for

> > > > > the shots.

> > > > > Phil

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >