Guest guest Posted May 6, 2004 Report Share Posted May 6, 2004 The " new " protocol for T administration is indeed subq, but not just anywhere on the body. He instructed me to pinch some flesh around my middle or " love handles " and inject there, into the subq fat layer. Injection is quite painless, as a very small needle can be used (27 g), though of course you have to draw it up with a larger needle. Pushing the T cypionate through such a tiny needle is the only problem I have encountered with this method. It is very slow and requires a lot of pressure and a steady hand. I put new in parentheses above because even though Shippen told me that he got the idea from a S. African physician, I have since read that this method was long ago advocated by an endocrinologist at Mass General. I have lost track of his name. This is typical of Dr. Shippen, that is, to be both up to date (and ahead of others) in his understanding and practice of medicine and, at the same time, relying on old and well-understood ideas. The rationale for this method is that fat tissue is less vascular than muscle. Therefore, the T does not make its way through the body so rapidly, resulting in a more even release between injections. Also, since there is less of a spike immediatley after injection, there is (theoretically, at least) less opportunity for aromatization to E2. Shippen initially recommended .5 cc of T cyptionate (200 mg/ml) per week. I, and others, have since experimented with more frequent dosing since the shots are trivial, unlike IM shots. Recently, I have been doing .3 cc (= 60 mg) every fourth day, but my RBCs are too high so he advised me to space them out at the same dose to every fifth day. My E2 has not shot up, but then it never has, so I think I am simply not a high aromatiser. Hope this helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2004 Report Share Posted May 6, 2004 > The " new " protocol for T administration is indeed subq, but not just anywhere on the > body. He instructed me to pinch some flesh around my middle or " love handles " and > inject there, into the subq fat layer. Injection is quite painless, as a very small needle > can be used (27 g), though of course you have to draw it up with a larger needle. > Pushing the T cypionate through such a tiny needle is the only problem I have > encountered with this method. It is very slow and requires a lot of pressure and a > steady hand. > > I put new in parentheses above because even though Shippen told me that he got the > idea from a S. African physician, I have since read that this method was long ago > advocated by an endocrinologist at Mass General. I have lost track of his name. This > is typical of Dr. Shippen, that is, to be both up to date (and ahead of others) in his > understanding and practice of medicine and, at the same time, relying on old and > well-understood ideas. > > The rationale for this method is that fat tissue is less vascular than muscle. Therefore, > the T does not make its way through the body so rapidly, resulting in a more even > release between injections. Also, since there is less of a spike immediatley after > injection, there is (theoretically, at least) less opportunity for aromatization to E2. > > Shippen initially recommended .5 cc of T cyptionate (200 mg/ml) per week. I, and > others, have since experimented with more frequent dosing since the shots are trivial, > unlike IM shots. Recently, I have been doing .3 cc (= 60 mg) every fourth day, but my > RBCs are too high so he advised me to space them out at the same dose to every fifth > day. My E2 has not shot up, but then it never has, so I think I am simply not a high > aromatiser. > > Hope this helps. -------------------------- Very interesting. I was under the opposite impression regarding where to inject......I was told a fatty area is the worst as it is the MOST likely to convert to estrogen and that is why patches and gels say to apply to say upper arms or shoulder where there is LEAST fat. seems to bet the opposite of what his book says. And in that book he says depo injections are clearly the WORST form of TRT. What gives, has he changed his mind completely on this? norton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2004 Report Share Posted May 6, 2004 In a few months, I will have the opportunity upon moving to NJ to choose either Aetna or Horizon Blue Cross as my health insurer. I currently have Aetna, which has been OK about HCG as my current treatment after some head-bashing between the mail-order pharmacy and the Aetna folks. Does anyone have experience with Horizon Blue Cross, and their coverage policies? Thanks, Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2004 Report Share Posted May 6, 2004 On Thu, 06 May 2004 22:40:11 -0400, you wrote: >In a few months, I will have the opportunity upon moving to NJ to choose >either Aetna or Horizon Blue Cross as my health insurer. I currently have >Aetna, which has been OK about HCG as my current treatment after some >head-bashing between the mail-order pharmacy and the Aetna folks. > >Does anyone have experience with Horizon Blue Cross, and their coverage >policies? > >Thanks, No experience with them but Aetna has also okayed coverage for pellets. No small deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2004 Report Share Posted May 6, 2004 What are your T levels on .3 cc/every fourth day? What were they on .5 cc/week? Wondering if the subq affects T levels.... > > > Shippen initially recommended .5 cc of T cyptionate (200 mg/ml) per week. I, and > others, have since experimented with more frequent dosing since the shots are trivial, > unlike IM shots. Recently, I have been doing .3 cc (= 60 mg) every fourth day, but my > RBCs are too high so he advised me to space them out at the same dose to every fifth > day. My E2 has not shot up, but then it never has, so I think I am simply not a high > aromatiser. > > Hope this helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2004 Report Share Posted May 6, 2004 You say your RBC are too high. Do you know why this is bad? What harm can that cause? Thanks, Armyguy > The " new " protocol for T administration is indeed subq, but not just anywhere on the > body. He instructed me to pinch some flesh around my middle or " love handles " and > inject there, into the subq fat layer. Injection is quite painless, as a very small needle > can be used (27 g), though of course you have to draw it up with a larger needle. > Pushing the T cypionate through such a tiny needle is the only problem I have > encountered with this method. It is very slow and requires a lot of pressure and a > steady hand. > > I put new in parentheses above because even though Shippen told me that he got the > idea from a S. African physician, I have since read that this method was long ago > advocated by an endocrinologist at Mass General. I have lost track of his name. This > is typical of Dr. Shippen, that is, to be both up to date (and ahead of others) in his > understanding and practice of medicine and, at the same time, relying on old and > well-understood ideas. > > The rationale for this method is that fat tissue is less vascular than muscle. Therefore, > the T does not make its way through the body so rapidly, resulting in a more even > release between injections. Also, since there is less of a spike immediatley after > injection, there is (theoretically, at least) less opportunity for aromatization to E2. > > Shippen initially recommended .5 cc of T cyptionate (200 mg/ml) per week. I, and > others, have since experimented with more frequent dosing since the shots are trivial, > unlike IM shots. Recently, I have been doing .3 cc (= 60 mg) every fourth day, but my > RBCs are too high so he advised me to space them out at the same dose to every fifth > day. My E2 has not shot up, but then it never has, so I think I am simply not a high > aromatiser. > > Hope this helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2004 Report Share Posted May 6, 2004 Although Shippen is in some respects ahead of the bell curve, in some respects, it seems like he is behind. I don't know if Shippen has mentioned Pellets at all, in his books or otherwise. For someone on strictly TRT, they definitely make the most sense to me. The users of them in this group seem to support them. Constant T delivery, only get them changed once every 3-4 months. Sounds like the most logical form of T delivery to me. Anyone know, what, if anything, does Shippen have to say about the pellets? Armyguy > The " new " protocol for T administration is indeed subq, but not just anywhere on the > body. He instructed me to pinch some flesh around my middle or " love handles " and > inject there, into the subq fat layer. Injection is quite painless, as a very small needle > can be used (27 g), though of course you have to draw it up with a larger needle. > Pushing the T cypionate through such a tiny needle is the only problem I have > encountered with this method. It is very slow and requires a lot of pressure and a > steady hand. > > I put new in parentheses above because even though Shippen told me that he got the > idea from a S. African physician, I have since read that this method was long ago > advocated by an endocrinologist at Mass General. I have lost track of his name. This > is typical of Dr. Shippen, that is, to be both up to date (and ahead of others) in his > understanding and practice of medicine and, at the same time, relying on old and > well-understood ideas. > > The rationale for this method is that fat tissue is less vascular than muscle. Therefore, > the T does not make its way through the body so rapidly, resulting in a more even > release between injections. Also, since there is less of a spike immediatley after > injection, there is (theoretically, at least) less opportunity for aromatization to E2. > > Shippen initially recommended .5 cc of T cyptionate (200 mg/ml) per week. I, and > others, have since experimented with more frequent dosing since the shots are trivial, > unlike IM shots. Recently, I have been doing .3 cc (= 60 mg) every fourth day, but my > RBCs are too high so he advised me to space them out at the same dose to every fifth > day. My E2 has not shot up, but then it never has, so I think I am simply not a high > aromatiser. > > Hope this helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2004 Report Share Posted May 7, 2004 Hi, Aetna has a page saying they will pay for pellet implantaion: http://www.aetna.com/cpb/data/PrtCPBA0345.html My doc says pellets are not covered by insurance. I will show that info. to him on my next visit (I'm Medicare primary with Aetna secondary) I don't know Horizon Blue Cross, so no opinion. Best, Bruce > In a few months, I will have the opportunity upon moving to NJ to choose > either Aetna or Horizon Blue Cross as my health insurer. I currently have > Aetna, which has been OK about HCG as my current treatment after some > head-bashing between the mail-order pharmacy and the Aetna folks. > > Does anyone have experience with Horizon Blue Cross, and their coverage > policies? > > Thanks, > > Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2004 Report Share Posted May 7, 2004 Armyguy, He has, on page 198 of the 1998 edition. About 3/4 page. Excerpts: " Discovering pellets was a significant stage for me... " , & " The vast majority of men treated with pellets find this delivery system extremely effective--usually more effective than anything else they've tried. " Bruce > > The " new " protocol for T administration is indeed subq, but not > just anywhere on the > > body. He instructed me to pinch some flesh around my middle > or " love handles " and > > inject there, into the subq fat layer. Injection is quite > painless, as a very small needle > > can be used (27 g), though of course you have to draw it up with a > larger needle. > > Pushing the T cypionate through such a tiny needle is the only > problem I have > > encountered with this method. It is very slow and requires a lot > of pressure and a > > steady hand. > > > > I put new in parentheses above because even though Shippen told me > that he got the > > idea from a S. African physician, I have since read that this > method was long ago > > advocated by an endocrinologist at Mass General. I have lost track > of his name. This > > is typical of Dr. Shippen, that is, to be both up to date (and > ahead of others) in his > > understanding and practice of medicine and, at the same time, > relying on old and > > well-understood ideas. > > > > The rationale for this method is that fat tissue is less vascular > than muscle. Therefore, > > the T does not make its way through the body so rapidly, resulting > in a more even > > release between injections. Also, since there is less of a spike > immediatley after > > injection, there is (theoretically, at least) less opportunity for > aromatization to E2. > > > > Shippen initially recommended .5 cc of T cyptionate (200 mg/ml) > per week. I, and > > others, have since experimented with more frequent dosing since > the shots are trivial, > > unlike IM shots. Recently, I have been doing .3 cc (= 60 mg) every > fourth day, but my > > RBCs are too high so he advised me to space them out at the same > dose to every fifth > > day. My E2 has not shot up, but then it never has, so I think I am > simply not a high > > aromatiser. > > > > Hope this helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2004 Report Share Posted May 7, 2004 Bruce, I was surprised to learn that Medicare covered pellets...I think I first read that in one of Earnest Nolan's posts. I too have Medicare primary and State Farm secondary; Next time I'm at PCP's, ~June 1st, I'll inquire about that. Thanks, OR eon Re: Dr Shippen Protocol Hi, Aetna has a page saying they will pay for pellet implantaion: http://www.aetna.com/cpb/data/PrtCPBA0345.html My doc says pellets are not covered by insurance. I will show that info. to him on my next visit (I'm Medicare primary with Aetna secondary) I don't know Horizon Blue Cross, so no opinion. Best, Bruce > In a few months, I will have the opportunity upon moving to NJ to choose > either Aetna or Horizon Blue Cross as my health insurer. I currently have > Aetna, which has been OK about HCG as my current treatment after some > head-bashing between the mail-order pharmacy and the Aetna folks. > > Does anyone have experience with Horizon Blue Cross, and their coverage > policies? > > Thanks, > > Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2004 Report Share Posted May 7, 2004 Armyguy, Shippen does mention pellets: see page 198. OR eon GayMan Re: Dr Shippen Protocol Although Shippen is in some respects ahead of the bell curve, in some respects, it seems like he is behind. I don't know if Shippen has mentioned Pellets at all, in his books or otherwise. For someone on strictly TRT, they definitely make the most sense to me. The users of them in this group seem to support them. Constant T delivery, only get them changed once every 3-4 months. Sounds like the most logical form of T delivery to me. Anyone know, what, if anything, does Shippen have to say about the pellets? Armyguy > The " new " protocol for T administration is indeed subq, but not just anywhere on the > body. He instructed me to pinch some flesh around my middle or " love handles " and > inject there, into the subq fat layer. Injection is quite painless, as a very small needle > can be used (27 g), though of course you have to draw it up with a larger needle. > Pushing the T cypionate through such a tiny needle is the only problem I have > encountered with this method. It is very slow and requires a lot of pressure and a > steady hand. > > I put new in parentheses above because even though Shippen told me that he got the > idea from a S. African physician, I have since read that this method was long ago > advocated by an endocrinologist at Mass General. I have lost track of his name. This > is typical of Dr. Shippen, that is, to be both up to date (and ahead of others) in his > understanding and practice of medicine and, at the same time, relying on old and > well-understood ideas. > > The rationale for this method is that fat tissue is less vascular than muscle. Therefore, > the T does not make its way through the body so rapidly, resulting in a more even > release between injections. Also, since there is less of a spike immediatley after > injection, there is (theoretically, at least) less opportunity for aromatization to E2. > > Shippen initially recommended .5 cc of T cyptionate (200 mg/ml) per week. I, and > others, have since experimented with more frequent dosing since the shots are trivial, > unlike IM shots. Recently, I have been doing .3 cc (= 60 mg) every fourth day, but my > RBCs are too high so he advised me to space them out at the same dose to every fifth > day. My E2 has not shot up, but then it never has, so I think I am simply not a high > aromatiser. > > Hope this helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2004 Report Share Posted May 7, 2004 Bruce, My response to Armyguy was redundant to yours...I had not read your post yet. OR eon Re: Dr Shippen Protocol Armyguy, He has, on page 198 of the 1998 edition. About 3/4 page. Excerpts: " Discovering pellets was a significant stage for me... " , & " The vast majority of men treated with pellets find this delivery system extremely effective--usually more effective than anything else they've tried. " Bruce > > The " new " protocol for T administration is indeed subq, but not > just anywhere on the > > body. He instructed me to pinch some flesh around my middle > or " love handles " and > > inject there, into the subq fat layer. Injection is quite > painless, as a very small needle > > can be used (27 g), though of course you have to draw it up with a > larger needle. > > Pushing the T cypionate through such a tiny needle is the only > problem I have > > encountered with this method. It is very slow and requires a lot > of pressure and a > > steady hand. > > > > I put new in parentheses above because even though Shippen told me > that he got the > > idea from a S. African physician, I have since read that this > method was long ago > > advocated by an endocrinologist at Mass General. I have lost track > of his name. This > > is typical of Dr. Shippen, that is, to be both up to date (and > ahead of others) in his > > understanding and practice of medicine and, at the same time, > relying on old and > > well-understood ideas. > > > > The rationale for this method is that fat tissue is less vascular > than muscle. Therefore, > > the T does not make its way through the body so rapidly, resulting > in a more even > > release between injections. Also, since there is less of a spike > immediatley after > > injection, there is (theoretically, at least) less opportunity for > aromatization to E2. > > > > Shippen initially recommended .5 cc of T cyptionate (200 mg/ml) > per week. I, and > > others, have since experimented with more frequent dosing since > the shots are trivial, > > unlike IM shots. Recently, I have been doing .3 cc (= 60 mg) every > fourth day, but my > > RBCs are too high so he advised me to space them out at the same > dose to every fifth > > day. My E2 has not shot up, but then it never has, so I think I am > simply not a high > > aromatiser. > > > > Hope this helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2004 Report Share Posted May 7, 2004 On Fri, 07 May 2004 05:50:30 -0000, you wrote: >You say your RBC are too high. > >Do you know why this is bad? What harm can that cause? It thickens the blood causing circulatory problems if it gets too high. " There is an excess of red blood cells flowing through your body which may lead to symptoms like fatigue, headache, shortness of breathe, bleeding, dizziness, itchy skin. " It's called polycythemia (but this can include abnormal white cels and other blood types, or erythrocythemia more specifically - though it seems the literature uses the first more often. " " In general, the increased mass of red blood cells in the patient's blood causes both hemorrhage and abnormal formation of blood clots in the circulatory system (thrombosis). The reasons for these changes in clotting patterns are not yet fully understood. " You'll find most info on it in a related condition polycythemia vera, a patholigical condition - but the symptoms are mostly the same. http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz/Atoz/ency/polycythemia_vera.html My hemaglobin climbed to the higher end of normal and I got most of the symptoms for a time. " The symptoms of early PV may be minimal--it is not unusual for the disorder to be discovered during a routine blood test. More often, however, patients have symptoms that include headaches, ringing in the ears, tiring easily, memory problems, difficulty breathing, giddiness or lightheadedness, hypertension, visual problems, or tingling or burning sensations in their hands or feet. Another common symptom is itching (pruritus). Pruritus related to PV is often worse after the patient takes a warm bath or shower. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2004 Report Share Posted May 7, 2004 Or eon, If I don't tell the Department of Redundancy Department, neither will I. Best, Bruce > Bruce, > > My response to Armyguy was redundant to yours...I had not read your post > yet. > > OR eon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2004 Report Share Posted May 7, 2004 Hmmmm, thanks for the info. Is there any medications or ways to lower the rbc ? Armyguy > > >You say your RBC are too high. > > > >Do you know why this is bad? What harm can that cause? > > > It thickens the blood causing circulatory problems if it gets too > high. > > " There is an excess of red blood cells flowing through your body which > may lead to symptoms like fatigue, headache, shortness of breathe, > bleeding, dizziness, itchy skin. " > > It's called polycythemia (but this can include abnormal white cels and > other blood types, or erythrocythemia more specifically - though it > seems the literature uses the first more often. " > > " In general, the increased mass of red blood cells in the patient's > blood causes both hemorrhage and abnormal formation of blood clots in > the circulatory system (thrombosis). The reasons for these changes in > clotting patterns are not yet fully understood. " > > You'll find most info on it in a related condition polycythemia vera, > a patholigical condition - but the symptoms are mostly the same. > http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz/Atoz/ency/polycythemia_vera.html > > My hemaglobin climbed to the higher end of normal and I got most of > the symptoms for a time. > > " The symptoms of early PV may be minimal--it is not unusual for the > disorder to be discovered during a routine blood test. More often, > however, patients have symptoms that include headaches, ringing in the > ears, tiring easily, memory problems, difficulty breathing, giddiness > or lightheadedness, hypertension, visual problems, or tingling or > burning sensations in their hands or feet. Another common symptom is > itching (pruritus). Pruritus related to PV is often worse after the > patient takes a warm bath or shower. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2004 Report Share Posted May 7, 2004 On Fri, 07 May 2004 18:28:20 -0000, you wrote: >Hmmmm, thanks for the info. > >Is there any medications or ways to lower the rbc ? I don't really know. I would imagine donating blood helps. I understand it takes about two weeks to get back up to volume, but that's impractical long term probably. Aspirin thins blood. But the best answer is I haven't a clue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2004 Report Share Posted May 7, 2004 > > >Hmmmm, thanks for the info. > > > >Is there any medications or ways to lower the rbc ? > > > I don't really know. I would imagine donating blood helps. I > understand it takes about two weeks to get back up to volume, but > that's impractical long term probably. Aspirin thins blood. But the > best answer is I haven't a clue. Yes, donating blood helps if you are able to. I am not. Shippen prescribed " medical phlebotomy, " a procedure in which some amount of blood is withdrawn (2 unit in my case), spun in a centrifuge to precipitate the RBCs, and only the plasma returned to the body. I haven't had it done yet, but I know it is a fairly common procedure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2004 Report Share Posted May 8, 2004 Why can't you donate? Armyguy > > > > >Hmmmm, thanks for the info. > > > > > >Is there any medications or ways to lower the rbc ? > > > > > > I don't really know. I would imagine donating blood helps. I > > understand it takes about two weeks to get back up to volume, but > > that's impractical long term probably. Aspirin thins blood. But the > > best answer is I haven't a clue. > > Yes, donating blood helps if you are able to. I am not. Shippen prescribed " medical > phlebotomy, " a procedure in which some amount of blood is withdrawn (2 unit in my > case), spun in a centrifuge to precipitate the RBCs, and only the plasma returned to > the body. I haven't had it done yet, but I know it is a fairly common procedure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2004 Report Share Posted May 8, 2004 This is an AWESOME post. Thanks very much. It is descriptive and I have been wary of using this technique because I did not know much about it. Seems like a much simpler way to go about things than intramuscular, and you are right, why not inject small amounts every 4 days. Very, very good way to go about things. I tried it the other day and it worked well. My only concern is, I am using 100mg/ml T Cyp, not 200mg/ml, so I need to inject more T Cyp to get the same amount in my body. I am just not sure if my stomach can handle a full cc going into the layer of fat. I dont have a huge layer of fat there, I would think that much would be ok, just not sure... Armyguy > The " new " protocol for T administration is indeed subq, but not just anywhere on the > body. He instructed me to pinch some flesh around my middle or " love handles " and > inject there, into the subq fat layer. Injection is quite painless, as a very small needle > can be used (27 g), though of course you have to draw it up with a larger needle. > Pushing the T cypionate through such a tiny needle is the only problem I have > encountered with this method. It is very slow and requires a lot of pressure and a > steady hand. > > I put new in parentheses above because even though Shippen told me that he got the > idea from a S. African physician, I have since read that this method was long ago > advocated by an endocrinologist at Mass General. I have lost track of his name. This > is typical of Dr. Shippen, that is, to be both up to date (and ahead of others) in his > understanding and practice of medicine and, at the same time, relying on old and > well-understood ideas. > > The rationale for this method is that fat tissue is less vascular than muscle. Therefore, > the T does not make its way through the body so rapidly, resulting in a more even > release between injections. Also, since there is less of a spike immediatley after > injection, there is (theoretically, at least) less opportunity for aromatization to E2. > > Shippen initially recommended .5 cc of T cyptionate (200 mg/ml) per week. I, and > others, have since experimented with more frequent dosing since the shots are trivial, > unlike IM shots. Recently, I have been doing .3 cc (= 60 mg) every fourth day, but my > RBCs are too high so he advised me to space them out at the same dose to every fifth > day. My E2 has not shot up, but then it never has, so I think I am simply not a high > aromatiser. > > Hope this helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2004 Report Share Posted May 8, 2004 I understand your concern. I have extensive lipoatrophy and have wondered if that might affect the absorption and/or distribution of the medicine. So far, though, it doesn't seem to be in my case. I pinch and poke around to find an area that feels fatty under the surface. Deep, visceral fat of course doesn't count or help because you're not going that deep with a tiny needle. I shouldn't imagine that injecting a larger volume would be an issue. If you are using 100 mg/dl mix, then you probably would still not use more than .5 cc at a time, assuming that you are injecting >1 per week. In response to your other question, there are various conditions that can prohibit one from donating blood. I have one such condition. FYI, just being a man who admits to ever having had M2M sex is enough. > This is an AWESOME post. Thanks very much. It is descriptive and I > have been wary of using this technique because I did not know much > about it. Seems like a much simpler way to go about things than > intramuscular, and you are right, why not inject small amounts every > 4 days. Very, very good way to go about things. I tried it the other > day and it worked well. > > My only concern is, I am using 100mg/ml T Cyp, not 200mg/ml, so I > need to inject more T Cyp to get the same amount in my body. I am > just not sure if my stomach can handle a full cc going into the > layer of fat. I dont have a huge layer of fat there, I would think > that much would be ok, just not sure... > > Armyguy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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