Re: family jewels salvageable

[Guest guest]

hobobla,

If you see a fertility specialist, he/she should run a complete panel of tests,

including LH, before deciding whether an HCG stimulation test is called for.

Any results back from your semen test yet?

Bruce

>

> Guys,

>

> Since hobobla doesn't have LH from before starting on TRT, would a HCG

> stimulation test be in order here to help him determine if the family

> jewels are salvageable? many Thanks.

[Guest guest]

hello Bruce oh yaah I have not forgot about yet I have

tuesday appointment with the new endo wiil have the results then...

take care will post then.

In , " Bruce Harvey " <bruceharvey@d...>

wrote:

>

> hobobla,

>

> If you see a fertility specialist, he/she should run a complete

panel of tests,

> including LH, before deciding whether an HCG stimulation test is

called for.

>

> Any results back from your semen test yet?

>

> Bruce

>

>

> >

> > Guys,

> >

> > Since hobobla doesn't have LH from before starting on TRT, would

a HCG

> > stimulation test be in order here to help him determine if the

family

> > jewels are salvageable? many Thanks.

[Guest guest]

Phil,

I guess that's what I meant. I take it in the official test you can't

be on TRT?

Mark

> Just one problem he is on Andergel and would have to be off it for

some time and still his blood test may not show anything. He would do

better to try some HCG and see if his levels jump way up.

> Phil

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[Guest guest]

Hobobla,

Here are links to two sites about preparing for a doctor's visit:

http://tinyurl.com/57dej

http://tinyurl.com/3rqv3

If you don't have copies of tests, call your GP's office & have them fax copies

to

the endo.

Arrive about 15 minutes early to have time to fill out medical history and

insurance forms.

Try to be specific when describing symptoms. For example, just saying you

get tired won't tell him much. Something like " I am tired all the time, too

tired

to... " Tell him how it affects your life. Too tired to work?

Point out the possible blood disorder. Are your symptoms more from that or

from hypogonadism? Or both? (Hypogonadism is probably involved, because

you feel better on AndroGel.) Should you see another specialist about the

blood issue?

It is very likely he'll want you to stop the AndroGel. Tell him you expect that

will

cause a relapse. Ask if there's anything that will help you through that.

Best of luck,

Bruce

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> hey Phil Thanx anyways I checked it out the last posts from six or so

> month ago I think I have some clues but what kind of questions do I

> need to ask my new endo.

>

> I have appointment next tuesday so I need to be ready interms of

> what kind questions I should ask him and so on. And by the way thanks

> for all of your help to my posts.

> ----

[Guest guest]

Hi Bob I am so happy for you that you got this crap worked out I would hate to

see you do what you were talking about. And Thanks for posting this it will

help out hobobla a lot.

Phil

Bob <ballen3_2000@...> wrote:

hcG is very cheap, has little to no side effects, why are DR.s so

reluctant to even try it.

I started it in August and I am happy with the results so far. I do

500 IUs about an hour before bed. Your mileage may varry, but using

it this way my E2 has been stable between 30 and 35 (range 20-50).

My testicles are averaging about 1.5 " long x 1 " wide. they vary

about 1/4 " in either direction, not sure why this is. Before I

started they had shurnk to 1 " x 0.5 " which was not a good thing.

I had to train my doc on this stuff. He had sent me to an endo

which was a waste of time and money. hcG is expensive and only used

for people interested in having kids. Otherwords, queers are not

good enough to have working testicles. He did not say those words,

but I got that feeling from his tone and body language.

I finaly had to do an international route to get started. Once I

had the stuff I went back to my primary, told him what I had and

that I planned on doing the hcG test as outlined in the AACE

guidelines. Gave him a copy of the guidelines. He agreed to do the

blood work for me. baseline test Aug 11, 5000 IU hcG Aug 13, 2nd

test Aug 16th. He wrote the script Sep 1.

Had he not done this or it had not worked my next visit was to a

urogolist. I had found one on my insurance even. Was gonna get

silimed #5 testicular implants. (and yes that requires removal of

the atrophied ones). less that an hour total, out patient procedure.

As long as the hcG keeps em up to size I don't need to do that.

Bob

> >

> > Guys,

> >

> > Since hobobla doesn't have LH from before starting on TRT, would

a HCG

> > stimulation test be in order here to help him determine if the

family

> > jewels are salvageable? many Thanks.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

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Hello Bob thanks for the info except I did not understand when you

said I used 500 Iu what are we talking about shots as like needle or

is somekind meaurment like international unit of what and why

everytime before bed is hcg like androgel or cream or pill please I

am a new one here and do not have a clue what it is thanks inadvance.

Hobobla

> Hi Bob I am so happy for you that you got this crap worked out I

would hate to see you do what you were talking about. And Thanks

for posting this it will help out hobobla a lot.

> Phil

>

> Bob <ballen3_2000@y...> wrote:

>

>

> hcG is very cheap, has little to no side effects, why are DR.s so

> reluctant to even try it.

>

> I started it in August and I am happy with the results so far. I

do

> 500 IUs about an hour before bed. Your mileage may varry, but

using

> it this way my E2 has been stable between 30 and 35 (range 20-

50).

> My testicles are averaging about 1.5 " long x 1 " wide. they vary

> about 1/4 " in either direction, not sure why this is. Before I

> started they had shurnk to 1 " x 0.5 " which was not a good thing.

>

> I had to train my doc on this stuff. He had sent me to an endo

> which was a waste of time and money. hcG is expensive and only

used

> for people interested in having kids. Otherwords, queers are not

> good enough to have working testicles. He did not say those words,

> but I got that feeling from his tone and body language.

>

> I finaly had to do an international route to get started. Once I

> had the stuff I went back to my primary, told him what I had and

> that I planned on doing the hcG test as outlined in the AACE

> guidelines. Gave him a copy of the guidelines. He agreed to do

the

> blood work for me. baseline test Aug 11, 5000 IU hcG Aug 13, 2nd

> test Aug 16th. He wrote the script Sep 1.

>

> Had he not done this or it had not worked my next visit was to a

> urogolist. I had found one on my insurance even. Was gonna get

> silimed #5 testicular implants. (and yes that requires removal of

> the atrophied ones). less that an hour total, out patient

procedure.

>

> As long as the hcG keeps em up to size I don't need to do that.

>

> Bob

>

>

>

> > >

> > > Guys,

> > >

> > > Since hobobla doesn't have LH from before starting on TRT,

would

> a HCG

> > > stimulation test be in order here to help him determine if the

> family

> > > jewels are salvageable? many Thanks.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

The 500 Iu is the amount you give your self in a shot.

Phil

hobobla <hobobla@...> wrote:

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Hello Bob thanks for the info except I did not understand when you

said I used 500 Iu what are we talking about shots as like needle or

is somekind meaurment like international unit of what and why

everytime before bed is hcg like androgel or cream or pill please I

am a new one here and do not have a clue what it is thanks inadvance.

Hobobla

> Hi Bob I am so happy for you that you got this crap worked out I

would hate to see you do what you were talking about. And Thanks

for posting this it will help out hobobla a lot.

> Phil

>

> Bob <ballen3_2000@y...> wrote:

>

>

> hcG is very cheap, has little to no side effects, why are DR.s so

> reluctant to even try it.

>

> I started it in August and I am happy with the results so far. I

do

> 500 IUs about an hour before bed. Your mileage may varry, but

using

> it this way my E2 has been stable between 30 and 35 (range 20-

50).

> My testicles are averaging about 1.5 " long x 1 " wide. they vary

> about 1/4 " in either direction, not sure why this is. Before I

> started they had shurnk to 1 " x 0.5 " which was not a good thing.

>

> I had to train my doc on this stuff. He had sent me to an endo

> which was a waste of time and money. hcG is expensive and only

used

> for people interested in having kids. Otherwords, queers are not

> good enough to have working testicles. He did not say those words,

> but I got that feeling from his tone and body language.

>

> I finaly had to do an international route to get started. Once I

> had the stuff I went back to my primary, told him what I had and

> that I planned on doing the hcG test as outlined in the AACE

> guidelines. Gave him a copy of the guidelines. He agreed to do

the

> blood work for me. baseline test Aug 11, 5000 IU hcG Aug 13, 2nd

> test Aug 16th. He wrote the script Sep 1.

>

> Had he not done this or it had not worked my next visit was to a

> urogolist. I had found one on my insurance even. Was gonna get

> silimed #5 testicular implants. (and yes that requires removal of

> the atrophied ones). less that an hour total, out patient

procedure.

>

> As long as the hcG keeps em up to size I don't need to do that.

>

> Bob

>

>

>

> > >

> > > Guys,

> > >

> > > Since hobobla doesn't have LH from before starting on TRT,

would

> a HCG

> > > stimulation test be in order here to help him determine if the

> family

> > > jewels are salvageable? many Thanks.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 05:22:28 -0000, you wrote:

> Hello Bob thanks for the info except I did not understand when you

>said I used 500 Iu what are we talking about shots as like needle or

>is somekind meaurment like international unit of what and why

>everytime before bed is hcg like androgel or cream or pill please I

>am a new one here and do not have a clue what it is thanks inadvance.

>Hobobla

The IU is the number of units of the medicine actually delivered as

opposed to the volume of the shot. This is because the concentration

can vary. If you had (random numbers here not real hcg values 500 iu/

cc in one mix, and 1000 iu/cc in another mix, you'd need have as much

of the second to achieve the same dose.

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Just another albino black sheep

[Guest guest]

You mean " half " not " have " ?

If you had (random numbers here not real hcg values 500 iu/

> cc in one mix, and 1000 iu/cc in another mix, you'd need *have* as much

> of the second to achieve the same dose.

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[Guest guest]

On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 19:29:37 -0000, you wrote:

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>You mean " half " not " have " ?

Of course. I don't think I can even blame this one on spell check.

>

> If you had (random numbers here not real hcg values 500 iu/

>> cc in one mix, and 1000 iu/cc in another mix, you'd need *have* as much

>> of the second to achieve the same dose.

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