high estrogen

[Guest guest]

Hi guys<br><br>Here's the short on me:<br>I'm

hypo, shooting 2.4ccs of HCG thrice a week, and I have

high Estrogen (180). I suspect the gynocomastia I have

is also caused by the high estro. Peeps, feel free

to jump in with suggestions.<br><br>-michael

[Guest guest]

why doesn't your dr. give you arimidex????? if

you get the first symptoms of gyno, you should be at

your drs. office. what did your dr. say about your

estrogen level???????<br> gyno surgery is expensive, and

most insurance wont pay for it.

[Guest guest]

That bad?<br>My level is 180, and the stupid

doctors never bothered to test for it before. I actually

had a breast reduction, but the doctor never checked

my estro levels, so of course, the breasts came

back!<br>So, what is arimidex? And are you saying that even if

I lower estrogen the breasts will still stay with

me. <br>I had enlarged breasts since 11 or

12.<br><br>-michael

[Guest guest]

,<br><br>Arimidex is an aromatase

inhibitor...this is info from this

site<br><br><a href=http://promini.medscape.com/drugdb/search.asp

target=new>http://promini.medscape.com/drugdb/search.asp</a><br><br>Breast

Cancer <br><br>First-Line Therapy for Advanced

Breast Cancer <br><br>Anastrozole is used for the

first-line treatment of hormone receptor-positive or hormone

receptor-unknown locally advanced or metastatic breast cancer in

postmenopausal women. Data from 2 double-blind, randomized

clinical trials in such patients indicate that anastrozole

is at least as effective as tamoxifen for producing

objective tumor response and delaying tumor

progression.<br><br>Second-Line Therapy for Advanced Breast Cancer

<br><br>Anastrozole is used for the treatment of advanced breast

cancer in postmenopausal women with disease progression

following tamoxifen therapy. The principal goal of therapy

in patients with metastatic breast cancer generally

has been palliative withan emphasis on extension of

survival and improvement in the quality of life. Limited

data from comparative clinical trials suggest that

anastrozole is at least as effective as megestrol acetate in

postmenopausal women with advanced breast cancer who have

disease progression following tamoxifen therapy. However,

weight gain was reported less frequently with

anastrozole (1 mg daily) than with megestrol acetate (40 mg 4

times daily) in these clinical trials. Patients who

have estrogen receptor-negative breast cancer and

those who fail to respond to tamoxifen therapy rarely

have responded to anastrozole. " <br><br>I had tried OTC

ChryDimGel and Di-Indolin capsules without effect.<br><br>I

began 11 mg/dy Arimidex Aug 2nd '01 when my estrogen

was 198 and estradiol 87....brought those levels down

fast, but I reduced dosage too quickly. Main benefit

for me has been diminishing my BPH

symptoms.<br><br>I'm going to put that link in the links

section...it's a handdy site for checking out drugs,

particularly if there are side effects.<br><br>OR eon

[Guest guest]

,<br><br>Your HCG dosage is way too high.

That's why your E is too high and also why you have

gyno. Most doctors don't know how to properly

administer HCG. What is your T level at that

dosage?<br><br>When you say that your Estrogen is 180, do you mean

Estradiol or Total Estrogens? If it's Estradiol, then 180

is way too high. If it's total Estrogens, then 180

is high, but not over the top of the normal

range.<br><br>When you post your T and E levels, also post the

normal ranges from the lab report. It's impossible to

properly interpret your results without the normal

ranges.<br><br> -

[Guest guest]

OR eon, <br>What is an Aromatase inhibitor? If the dosage was working, and it

brought down the estrogen, why did you quit? Fially, what's

BPH?<br><br>-michael

[Guest guest]

Injection schedule: 3 times/week HCG 2.5

ccs<br><br>Estradiol level: 180 (normal 10-60)<br>Testorone (total)

1052 (normal 312-1240)<br>Free Testostorone: 432

(normal 90-317)<br><br>TE Binding globulin: & lt;3 (normal

7-51)<br><br>LH & lt;2<br>FSG & lt;1<br><br>Obviously, I want my E

to come down. Over the phone the doctor told me that

the reason for high E, is excess Free T, which my

body is converting to E. He told me to reduce the

dosage to 2.0/thrice a week. I'm concerned that even

with the reduction in HCG, my E will still be too

high. I'm going to get a secod opinion and ask about

Arimidex. I also heard that Zinc is affective in lowerig E.

[Guest guest]

keif4now<br><br>Yes, zinc is an aromatase

inhibitor. Zinc supplementation, 50 mg 2x/dy is Shippen's

first approach for treating his andropausic

clients.<br>I tried zinc and it was ineffective in lower my

estrogen/estradiol levels.<br><br>Arimidex was/is very effective for

me. When I started Arimidex I discontinued zinc

supplementation. But I noticed that my ejaculate volume

diminished. Zinc promotes ejaculate volume. The adage that

oysters put lead in your pencil is true. Of all the

foods, oysters are highest in zinc than any food. So I

resummed zinc supplementation....I take ~90 mg/dy divided

in two equal doses...when taking zinc, copper needs

to be taken also. I take Jarrow Formulas Zinc

Balance 15...each capsule contains 15 mg of zinc and 1 mg

copper.<br><br>OR eon

[Guest guest]

keif4now.<br><br>An aromatase inhibitor inhibits

testosterone conversion to estrogen in men.<br><br>I didn't

quit Arimidex...I'm still on 1 mg/dy. I was bled

yesterday and will have lab results ~week that I will

post.<br><br>BPH = benign prostate hypertrophy..this site explains

role of estroge/estradiol in BPH.<br><br> " Estrogen’s

Dirty Little Secret " by

TC<br><br><a href=http://www.t-mag.com/articles/171estro.html

target=new>http://www.t-mag.com/articles/171estro.html</a><br><br>This site

gives snipetts of studies correlating low

testosterone with BPH and male pattern baldness...

<br><br><a href=http://hairloss-research.org/testosteroneBPH-Oct2001.html

target=new>http://hairloss-research.org/testosteroneBPH-Oct2001.html</a><br><br>\

OR eon

[Guest guest]

Your HCG dosage is way too high. Your free T is

one third over the top of the normal range. Excess T

makes excess E. It's that simple.<br><br>Also,

scientific studies have shown that HCG dosages of 5.0 cc per

week or more will desensitize the testicles (i.e.,

give you primary hypogonadism).<br><br>Your doctor

doesn't have a clue how to administer HCG properly. You

should try 0.5 cc three times a week at bedtime for 3

weeks and then get a blood test (between 8 am and 9 am

in the morning but not on the morning after a

shot).<br><br>See my regular HCG primer posting

at:<br><br>news:a6gvqe$eht1c$1@...<br><br>Copy and paste the

above link in your browser address

line and hit return.<br><br> -

[Guest guest]

> > What do you intend to say when you have your long talk? What was

> your

> > testosterone level?

> >

> > Brad

> This guy is usually pretty cool with me. I intend to ask him if he

> has some sort of fetish about watching men grow breasts. I'm not

> really into the idea of growing a set. My testosterone level is at

> about 489 ng/dl. Not really high, but I don't feel as bad as I used

> to when I was at half that. Its my highest Testosterone test to

> date.

Since you are trying to gain his cooperation, I would suggest being as

diplomatic as possible. If you are going to try an aromatase

inhibitor, an estradiol test might be more useful than total estrogens.

Brad