Guest guest Posted March 9, 2002 Report Share Posted March 9, 2002 Hi guys<br><br>Here's the short on me:<br>I'm hypo, shooting 2.4ccs of HCG thrice a week, and I have high Estrogen (180). I suspect the gynocomastia I have is also caused by the high estro. Peeps, feel free to jump in with suggestions.<br><br>-michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2002 Report Share Posted March 10, 2002 why doesn't your dr. give you arimidex????? if you get the first symptoms of gyno, you should be at your drs. office. what did your dr. say about your estrogen level???????<br> gyno surgery is expensive, and most insurance wont pay for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2002 Report Share Posted March 10, 2002 That bad?<br>My level is 180, and the stupid doctors never bothered to test for it before. I actually had a breast reduction, but the doctor never checked my estro levels, so of course, the breasts came back!<br>So, what is arimidex? And are you saying that even if I lower estrogen the breasts will still stay with me. <br>I had enlarged breasts since 11 or 12.<br><br>-michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2002 Report Share Posted March 10, 2002 ,<br><br>Arimidex is an aromatase inhibitor...this is info from this site<br><br><a href=http://promini.medscape.com/drugdb/search.asp target=new>http://promini.medscape.com/drugdb/search.asp</a><br><br>Breast Cancer <br><br>First-Line Therapy for Advanced Breast Cancer <br><br>Anastrozole is used for the first-line treatment of hormone receptor-positive or hormone receptor-unknown locally advanced or metastatic breast cancer in postmenopausal women. Data from 2 double-blind, randomized clinical trials in such patients indicate that anastrozole is at least as effective as tamoxifen for producing objective tumor response and delaying tumor progression.<br><br>Second-Line Therapy for Advanced Breast Cancer <br><br>Anastrozole is used for the treatment of advanced breast cancer in postmenopausal women with disease progression following tamoxifen therapy. The principal goal of therapy in patients with metastatic breast cancer generally has been palliative withan emphasis on extension of survival and improvement in the quality of life. Limited data from comparative clinical trials suggest that anastrozole is at least as effective as megestrol acetate in postmenopausal women with advanced breast cancer who have disease progression following tamoxifen therapy. However, weight gain was reported less frequently with anastrozole (1 mg daily) than with megestrol acetate (40 mg 4 times daily) in these clinical trials. Patients who have estrogen receptor-negative breast cancer and those who fail to respond to tamoxifen therapy rarely have responded to anastrozole. " <br><br>I had tried OTC ChryDimGel and Di-Indolin capsules without effect.<br><br>I began 11 mg/dy Arimidex Aug 2nd '01 when my estrogen was 198 and estradiol 87....brought those levels down fast, but I reduced dosage too quickly. Main benefit for me has been diminishing my BPH symptoms.<br><br>I'm going to put that link in the links section...it's a handdy site for checking out drugs, particularly if there are side effects.<br><br>OR eon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2002 Report Share Posted March 10, 2002 ,<br><br>Your HCG dosage is way too high. That's why your E is too high and also why you have gyno. Most doctors don't know how to properly administer HCG. What is your T level at that dosage?<br><br>When you say that your Estrogen is 180, do you mean Estradiol or Total Estrogens? If it's Estradiol, then 180 is way too high. If it's total Estrogens, then 180 is high, but not over the top of the normal range.<br><br>When you post your T and E levels, also post the normal ranges from the lab report. It's impossible to properly interpret your results without the normal ranges.<br><br> - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2002 Report Share Posted March 12, 2002 OR eon, <br>What is an Aromatase inhibitor? If the dosage was working, and it brought down the estrogen, why did you quit? Fially, what's BPH?<br><br>-michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2002 Report Share Posted March 12, 2002 Injection schedule: 3 times/week HCG 2.5 ccs<br><br>Estradiol level: 180 (normal 10-60)<br>Testorone (total) 1052 (normal 312-1240)<br>Free Testostorone: 432 (normal 90-317)<br><br>TE Binding globulin: & lt;3 (normal 7-51)<br><br>LH & lt;2<br>FSG & lt;1<br><br>Obviously, I want my E to come down. Over the phone the doctor told me that the reason for high E, is excess Free T, which my body is converting to E. He told me to reduce the dosage to 2.0/thrice a week. I'm concerned that even with the reduction in HCG, my E will still be too high. I'm going to get a secod opinion and ask about Arimidex. I also heard that Zinc is affective in lowerig E. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2002 Report Share Posted March 12, 2002 keif4now<br><br>Yes, zinc is an aromatase inhibitor. Zinc supplementation, 50 mg 2x/dy is Shippen's first approach for treating his andropausic clients.<br>I tried zinc and it was ineffective in lower my estrogen/estradiol levels.<br><br>Arimidex was/is very effective for me. When I started Arimidex I discontinued zinc supplementation. But I noticed that my ejaculate volume diminished. Zinc promotes ejaculate volume. The adage that oysters put lead in your pencil is true. Of all the foods, oysters are highest in zinc than any food. So I resummed zinc supplementation....I take ~90 mg/dy divided in two equal doses...when taking zinc, copper needs to be taken also. I take Jarrow Formulas Zinc Balance 15...each capsule contains 15 mg of zinc and 1 mg copper.<br><br>OR eon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2002 Report Share Posted March 12, 2002 keif4now.<br><br>An aromatase inhibitor inhibits testosterone conversion to estrogen in men.<br><br>I didn't quit Arimidex...I'm still on 1 mg/dy. I was bled yesterday and will have lab results ~week that I will post.<br><br>BPH = benign prostate hypertrophy..this site explains role of estroge/estradiol in BPH.<br><br> " Estrogen’s Dirty Little Secret " by TC<br><br><a href=http://www.t-mag.com/articles/171estro.html target=new>http://www.t-mag.com/articles/171estro.html</a><br><br>This site gives snipetts of studies correlating low testosterone with BPH and male pattern baldness... <br><br><a href=http://hairloss-research.org/testosteroneBPH-Oct2001.html target=new>http://hairloss-research.org/testosteroneBPH-Oct2001.html</a><br><br>\ OR eon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2002 Report Share Posted March 14, 2002 Your HCG dosage is way too high. Your free T is one third over the top of the normal range. Excess T makes excess E. It's that simple.<br><br>Also, scientific studies have shown that HCG dosages of 5.0 cc per week or more will desensitize the testicles (i.e., give you primary hypogonadism).<br><br>Your doctor doesn't have a clue how to administer HCG properly. You should try 0.5 cc three times a week at bedtime for 3 weeks and then get a blood test (between 8 am and 9 am in the morning but not on the morning after a shot).<br><br>See my regular HCG primer posting at:<br><br>news:a6gvqe$eht1c$1@...<br><br>Copy and paste the above link in your browser address line and hit return.<br><br> - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2003 Report Share Posted December 10, 2003 > > What do you intend to say when you have your long talk? What was > your > > testosterone level? > > > > Brad > This guy is usually pretty cool with me. I intend to ask him if he > has some sort of fetish about watching men grow breasts. I'm not > really into the idea of growing a set. My testosterone level is at > about 489 ng/dl. Not really high, but I don't feel as bad as I used > to when I was at half that. Its my highest Testosterone test to > date. Since you are trying to gain his cooperation, I would suggest being as diplomatic as possible. If you are going to try an aromatase inhibitor, an estradiol test might be more useful than total estrogens. Brad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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