Re: Please compare to this.

[Guest guest]

Guys,

Since hobobla doesn't have LH from before starting on TRT, would a HCG

stimulation test be in order here to help him determine if the family

jewels are salvageable?

Mark

[Guest guest]

Hobobla,

The WBC, MCH, MCHC, Platelet and Neutrophil levels strongly suggest you

have a blood disease or disorder. You mentioned earlier that platelets have

been low since your 1990 operation. What does your doctor say? In my

opinion, if your doc is not knowledgeable about blood disorders he should

refer you to a specialist.

The low blood cell condition could cause more fatigue problems than low

testosterone.

For the male hormone issues, you are highly interested in fertility. Can your

doctor refer you to a male fertility specialist? That specialist should be able

to

tell you in advance if he/she wants you to stop the AndroGel.

Bruce

>

>

> hello phil and everyone Even though it looks okay about my latest

> results I have some questions. Let me get to the point here,These

> test are done to my GP which I belive does not have much knowledge

> about it, becouse there were no LH, Fsh E2 except for Testo on the

> top of that I did the test right after I apply my am 2.5gram

> androgel about 8:30 am and the result was as follows

> Testosterone 474 range for my age range 280 - 800

> TSH 1.33 0.49-4.67

> wbc 4.1 normal range is ......4.0 - 11.0

> MCH 26.9 " " " " 27.0-33.0 ****

> MCHC 31.2 32.0-36.0 ****

> Platelet 103 140 -450 ****

> nEUTROPHIL 46 49 - 74 ****

> Those with four star are really low don't you think and how or what

> could be the consiqence of all those or what may I excepect in

> absence of them all.

>

> I am going to omit the rest results they were all in a normal range

> except for Sodium. Like I 've said before I exercise a lot like 5

> days a week 2 hours a day I brought down my choleserol to 172 from

> about 220 before two months ago. But I am still strugling with my

> weight I am about 190 only 5'8 " tall I use to be 5'11 " I just did

> some bone density test awaiting results So what do you guys think I

> am cancern mostly about my fertility problem I want to be a father by

> next may 2005 should I stop using andro go on HcG is that seem the

> right direction thankyou guys some feedback please

[Guest guest]

Hey Bruce Thanx for the suggestions but I asked my doc why why??

and told me that it could be from taking so much serzone and other

kind ssri's what have you so we never or I should say never followed

it through but they tell me my platelate has been so low for long

time now may be that is no cancern over it heck I always think what

if this or that so you see I think I should get a solid answer. in

any how Thanks this pushes me to be more proactive and follow it

through.

> Hobobla,

>

> The WBC, MCH, MCHC, Platelet and Neutrophil levels strongly

suggest you

> have a blood disease or disorder. You mentioned earlier that

platelets have

> been low since your 1990 operation. What does your doctor say? In

my

> opinion, if your doc is not knowledgeable about blood disorders he

should

> refer you to a specialist.

>

> The low blood cell condition could cause more fatigue problems than

low

> testosterone.

>

> For the male hormone issues, you are highly interested in

fertility. Can your

> doctor refer you to a male fertility specialist? That specialist

should be able to

> tell you in advance if he/she wants you to stop the AndroGel.

>

> Bruce

>

>

>

> >

> >

> > hello phil and everyone Even though it looks okay about my latest

> > results I have some questions. Let me get to the point here,These

> > test are done to my GP which I belive does not have much knowledge

> > about it, becouse there were no LH, Fsh E2 except for Testo on the

> > top of that I did the test right after I apply my am 2.5gram

> > androgel about 8:30 am and the result was as follows

> > Testosterone 474 range for my age range 280 - 800

> > TSH 1.33 0.49-4.67

> > wbc 4.1 normal range is ......4.0 - 11.0

> > MCH 26.9 " " " " 27.0-33.0 ****

> > MCHC 31.2 32.0-36.0 ****

> > Platelet 103 140 -450 ****

> > nEUTROPHIL 46 49 - 74 ****

> > Those with four star are really low don't you think and how or

what

> > could be the consiqence of all those or what may I excepect in

> > absence of them all.

> >

> > I am going to omit the rest results they were all in a normal

range

> > except for Sodium. Like I 've said before I exercise a lot like 5

> > days a week 2 hours a day I brought down my choleserol to 172 from

> > about 220 before two months ago. But I am still strugling with my

> > weight I am about 190 only 5'8 " tall I use to be 5'11 " I just did

> > some bone density test awaiting results So what do you guys think

I

> > am cancern mostly about my fertility problem I want to be a

father by

> > next may 2005 should I stop using andro go on HcG is that seem the

> > right direction thankyou guys some feedback please

[Guest guest]

Hi Hobobla,

You're right. This needs to be followed through.

Four years with low platelets suggests it's not caused by a problem that would

kill you. Lucky for you.

The tests suggest anemia. This could cause a number of ongoing symptoms

that overlap with hypogonadism, like:

* Fatigue, weakness, irritability

* Headache

* Dizziness, especially postural

* Vertigo

* Tinnitus

* Syncope

* Dyspnea, especially with increased physical activity (exercise intolerance)

* Chest pain, palpitations

* Difficulty sleeping or concentrating

* Thirst

* Anorexia

* Decreased urine output/bowel irregularity

* Decreased libido or impotence

Source:

http://www.emedicine.com/emerg/topic734.htm

Which also says:

" The hallmark of chronic anemia is the ability of patients to sustain a

relatively

normal level of function at significantly lower than normal Hgb (hemoglobin)

levels. " Your Mean Corpuscular Hemoglobin (MCH) and Mean Corpuscular

Hemoglobin Concentration (MCHC) are low. and the other blood analysis is

low.

Your pre-AndroGel T 405 (241-827 NG/DL) could be higher, but I think the

anemia issue should have been dealt with first.

MY SUGGESTION: GET A SECOND OPINION FROM ANOTHER DOCTOR

ABOUT YOUR TESTS AND SYMPTOMS.

Tell your doctor you want a second opinion. He should be supportive of your

request, and should help direct you to another doc.

Best regards,

Bruce

>

> Hey Bruce Thanx for the suggestions but I asked my doc why why??

> and told me that it could be from taking so much serzone and other

> kind ssri's what have you so we never or I should say never followed

> it through but they tell me my platelate has been so low for long

> time now may be that is no cancern over it heck I always think what

> if this or that so you see I think I should get a solid answer. in

> any how Thanks this pushes me to be more proactive and follow it

> through.

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[Guest guest]

hello everyone phill and bruce in particular you guys are super

in anyhow I am going to see my gp soon will address them and will

ask second opinon as well . hey bruce Thanx I seem to have all the

symptoms you mentioned and never paid attention before.

And if it was not for my concentration level I think I have all my

lab results and you guys can help me what you think of it will post

them asap will have many questions next few days 'till then wish you

all well.

pmgamer18@y...> wrote:

> I think when it comes to things like blood you should see a

specialist I was on a lot of SSRI's and my blood is fine I went

through 5 yrs. on the crap. Years ago before they knew I had low T

I was told the I had very low Iron and needed to go on Iron shots

this sounded dangerous so I went to see a Blood Specialist and after

some testing I was told I don't have Low Iron. So better to be safe

then sorry.

> Phil

>

> hobobla <hobobla@y...> wrote:

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>

>

> Hey Bruce Thanx for the suggestions but I asked my doc why why??

> and told me that it could be from taking so much serzone and other

> kind ssri's what have you so we never or I should say never

followed

> it through but they tell me my platelate has been so low for long

> time now may be that is no cancern over it heck I always think

what

> if this or that so you see I think I should get a solid answer. in

> any how Thanks this pushes me to be more proactive and follow it

> through.

>

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>

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>

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>

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> > Hobobla,

> >

> > The WBC, MCH, MCHC, Platelet and Neutrophil levels strongly

> suggest you

> > have a blood disease or disorder. You mentioned earlier that

> platelets have

> > been low since your 1990 operation. What does your doctor say?

In

> my

> > opinion, if your doc is not knowledgeable about blood disorders

he

> should

> > refer you to a specialist.

> >

> > The low blood cell condition could cause more fatigue problems

than

> low

> > testosterone.

> >

> > For the male hormone issues, you are highly interested in

> fertility. Can your

> > doctor refer you to a male fertility specialist? That specialist

> should be able to

> > tell you in advance if he/she wants you to stop the AndroGel.

> >

> > Bruce

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > hello phil and everyone Even though it looks okay about my

latest

> > > results I have some questions. Let me get to the point

here,These

> > > test are done to my GP which I belive does not have much

knowledge

> > > about it, becouse there were no LH, Fsh E2 except for Testo on

the

> > > top of that I did the test right after I apply my am 2.5gram

> > > androgel about 8:30 am and the result was as follows

> > > Testosterone 474 range for my age range 280 - 800

> > > TSH 1.33 0.49-4.67

> > > wbc 4.1 normal range is ......4.0 - 11.0

> > > MCH 26.9 " " " " 27.0-33.0 ****

> > > MCHC 31.2 32.0-36.0 ****

> > > Platelet 103 140 -450 ****

> > > nEUTROPHIL 46 49 - 74 ****

> > > Those with four star are really low don't you think and how or

> what

> > > could be the consiqence of all those or what may I excepect in

> > > absence of them all.

> > >

> > > I am going to omit the rest results they were all in a normal

> range

> > > except for Sodium. Like I 've said before I exercise a lot

like 5

> > > days a week 2 hours a day I brought down my choleserol to 172

from

> > > about 220 before two months ago. But I am still strugling with

my

> > > weight I am about 190 only 5'8 " tall I use to be 5'11 " I just

did

> > > some bone density test awaiting results So what do you guys

think

> I

> > > am cancern mostly about my fertility problem I want to be a

> father by

> > > next may 2005 should I stop using andro go on HcG is that seem

the

> > > right direction thankyou guys some feedback please

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