Guest guest Posted June 28, 2005 Report Share Posted June 28, 2005 , Are you going to monitor this over time with blood tests including E2? I would be very interested in finding out how this works out for you. Please keep us posted. > > > > > > > > > > Hi guys, have to say i was using testogel for a > while > > > > before > > > > > > my > > > > > > > GP > > > > > > > > > > decided to put me on the testim tubes. Having shots > was > > > > the > > > > > > > initial > > > > > > > > > > treatment, although for me the gels have a far more > > > > > > consisitant > > > > > > > > > > result. I found the testogel was far less viscous > and so > > > > was > > > > > > > > > absorbed > > > > > > > > > > far eisier than the testim, but my t levels seemed > to be > > > > all > > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > place. The testim is slightly uncomfortable just > after > > > > > > > application > > > > > > > > > (i > > > > > > > > > > work in a suit - urggh), yet seems to give me a far > more > > > > > > stable > > > > > > > > > > feeling within myself and the results speak volumes. > How > > > > do > > > > > > you > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > find the treatments work for you? Do you feel > satisfied > > > > with > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > results? Are there any other 'accessible' treatments > on > > > > > > offer? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Sharpy* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2005 Report Share Posted June 28, 2005 , I have discussed doing shots every 3rd day with another group member here called theta_2k (). He used to do shots E3D, but he felt that there was an excess buildup over time of Testosterone and Estrogen. He has now converted to shots once a week. You may want to start a new thread and get his input (hopefully he reads this and chimes in). > > > > > > > > > > > Hi guys, have to say i was using testogel for a > > while > > > > > before > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > GP > > > > > > > > > > > decided to put me on the testim tubes. Having > shots > > was > > > > > the > > > > > > > > initial > > > > > > > > > > > treatment, although for me the gels have a far > more > > > > > > > consisitant > > > > > > > > > > > result. I found the testogel was far less viscous > > and so > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > absorbed > > > > > > > > > > > far eisier than the testim, but my t levels > seemed > > to be > > > > > all > > > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > place. The testim is slightly uncomfortable just > > after > > > > > > > > application > > > > > > > > > > (i > > > > > > > > > > > work in a suit - urggh), yet seems to give me a > far > > more > > > > > > > stable > > > > > > > > > > > feeling within myself and the results speak > volumes. > > How > > > > > do > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > find the treatments work for you? Do you feel > > satisfied > > > > > with > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > results? Are there any other 'accessible' > treatments > > on > > > > > > > offer? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Sharpy* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2005 Report Share Posted June 29, 2005 For which idea are you looking for a source? The leaching or the added weight? The added weight is just simple physics. If you add an additional group (whether its an ester, an alcohol, a methyl, etc.) to any molecule it will increase that molecules weight. > > > > >First of all, a 100mg IM shot has 70mg of testosterone and 30mg of > >ester (the oil base " carrier " for the testosterone). The injection > >goes into a muscle (that's why they call it an IM or Intermuscular > >shot). The testosterone then " leaches " out of the pocket that it's in > >and into the bloodstream where it can get busy " doing its thing " . > > > Do you have a source for this idea? > > My understanding is Esters are a chemical family that are attached to > the testosterone chain. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ester > > http://www.timinvermont.com/fitness/ester.htm > > Esterification of an injectable anabolic/androgenic steroid basically > accomplishes one thing, it slows the release of the parent steroid > from the site of injection. This happens because the ester will > notably lower the water solubility of the steroid, and increase its > lipid (fat) solubility. This will cause the drug to form a deposit in > the muscle tissue, from which it will slowly enter into circulation as > it is picked up in small quantities by the blood. Generally, the > longer the ester chain, the lower the water solubility of the > compound, and the longer it will take to for the full dosage to reach > general circulation. > > - - - - > Just another albino black sheep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2005 Report Share Posted June 29, 2005 I forgot to mention, but of course a 100mg shot of T Cyp doesn't actually weight 100mg. That is just the weight of the T Cyp in the injection. The oil that the T Cyp is dissolved in makes up a substantial portion of the total weight, but from an active ingrediant perspective that is ignored. The figure of 70% is determined from the molecular weight of T Cyp which is 412.61 and the molecular weight of pure T which is 288.4. > > > > >First of all, a 100mg IM shot has 70mg of testosterone and 30mg of > >ester (the oil base " carrier " for the testosterone). The injection > >goes into a muscle (that's why they call it an IM or Intermuscular > >shot). The testosterone then " leaches " out of the pocket that it's in > >and into the bloodstream where it can get busy " doing its thing " . > > > Do you have a source for this idea? > > My understanding is Esters are a chemical family that are attached to > the testosterone chain. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ester > > http://www.timinvermont.com/fitness/ester.htm > > Esterification of an injectable anabolic/androgenic steroid basically > accomplishes one thing, it slows the release of the parent steroid > from the site of injection. This happens because the ester will > notably lower the water solubility of the steroid, and increase its > lipid (fat) solubility. This will cause the drug to form a deposit in > the muscle tissue, from which it will slowly enter into circulation as > it is picked up in small quantities by the blood. Generally, the > longer the ester chain, the lower the water solubility of the > compound, and the longer it will take to for the full dosage to reach > general circulation. > > - - - - > Just another albino black sheep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2005 Report Share Posted July 27, 2005 > Hi guys, have to say i was using testogel for a while before my GP > decided to put me on the testim tubes. Having shots was the initial > treatment, although for me the gels have a far more consisitant > result. I found the testogel was far less viscous and so was absorbed > far eisier than the testim, but my t levels seemed to be all over the > place. The testim is slightly uncomfortable just after application (i > work in a suit - urggh), yet seems to give me a far more stable > feeling within myself and the results speak volumes. How do you all > find the treatments work for you? Do you feel satisfied with the > results? Are there any other 'accessible' treatments on offer? > > *Sharpy* hey guys, i've been on androgel for a couple of years now, my numbers are usually above 700 after application and during the day. my problem is i just don't have the energy i think i should have like when i would first get a shot of T. but i also get low blood sugar so maybe that has an effect on my well being. i have been reading about this Testim you guys talk about i have not heard about it until now. how long has it been around and what does it cost compared to andrgel? does it take longer to dry than androgel? i go to the doctors in a couple of weeks for my bi yearly check up, i think i'm going to ask about this testim. it sounds like it may help me have more energy and be in better moods. by the way i am 40 years old and have only known about the kleinfelters syndrome for 4 years, so any help or advice you can give me, i will take. although i know others have this problem i still feel alone, because most people i know and work with do not know i have this problem and just think i am lazy. thanks for listening, Bob K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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