Guest guest Posted June 23, 2005 Report Share Posted June 23, 2005 The reason for this is the shot is a big amount into your system by the next day your levels are double what they are the day of your next shot. So with the gel your getting a little everyday. I like the spike I get from the shot the next two days my body is not in pain joints and muscels at all. Phil franktjo <no_reply > wrote: I have noticed that the daily application of adrogel or the daily androderm patch work better than the 100mg cypionate per week shot. I feel much more stable and just a better sense of well-being. Not sure if there is a different substance in the gel or patch either but the shots make me feel crazy, emotional etc. I don't get this way with the gel or patches. > Hi guys, have to say i was using testogel for a while before my GP > decided to put me on the testim tubes. Having shots was the initial > treatment, although for me the gels have a far more consisitant > result. I found the testogel was far less viscous and so was absorbed > far eisier than the testim, but my t levels seemed to be all over the > place. The testim is slightly uncomfortable just after application (i > work in a suit - urggh), yet seems to give me a far more stable > feeling within myself and the results speak volumes. How do you all > find the treatments work for you? Do you feel satisfied with the > results? Are there any other 'accessible' treatments on offer? > > *Sharpy* --------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2005 Report Share Posted June 23, 2005 Dan the smell did get to me at first but after a time I could not smell it anymore you get use to it. When I would see a friend that I have not seen in a wile I would give her a hug and she would say I smell so good that she could rip my clothes off. At Dr. 's site he said the women of his men are going nuts over the smell of Testim. So now all the men there wont to try it. Phil calif_guy8 <calif_guy8@...> wrote: It's good to know that Testim is more potent than Androgel. My problem with Testim is the smell of it, it smells like woman's cosmetic products. How do you guys get rid of the smell? Does Testim come in the fragent free version? Thanks guys! Dan > > Hi guys, have to say i was using testogel for a while before my GP > > decided to put me on the testim tubes. Having shots was the initial > > treatment, although for me the gels have a far more consisitant > > result. I found the testogel was far less viscous and so was absorbed > > far eisier than the testim, but my t levels seemed to be all over the > > place. The testim is slightly uncomfortable just after application (i > > work in a suit - urggh), yet seems to give me a far more stable > > feeling within myself and the results speak volumes. How do you all > > find the treatments work for you? Do you feel satisfied with the > > results? Are there any other 'accessible' treatments on offer? > > > > *Sharpy* --------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2005 Report Share Posted June 23, 2005 Yes I was going to low the two days before my next shot at 100 mgs. per week but at 150 mgs. per week this is gone. It is all about dose and levels doing 100 mgs.per week my levels were To low the day of the next shot. Phil lrs1951 <stat1951@...> wrote: Well, I would guess for those not having muscle and joint pains frequently then the gels might be better simply from the viewpoint of consistency (assuming you have good quality control in your specific gel product). It is obvious that even with the 100mg once a week approach, that there's still some level of roller-coaster efect going. Less than 200mg once every two weeks... and MUCH less than 300mg once every three weeks, but still some. Just stands to reason. One is starting out with 70mg of injected testosterone on Day One. On D1 probably 12 mg gets intothe bloodstream, then D2 is 11mg and D3 is 10mg and D4 is 9mg and D5 is 8mg, etc. Still find the comments concerning AndroGel vs Testim to be interesting. Seems that a clear majority easily prefer Testim over AndroGel.... seems Testim is getting mroe across the skin barrier and into the blood and Testim is delivering a more consistent product right from the container.... > > Hi guys, have to say i was using testogel for a while before my GP > > decided to put me on the testim tubes. Having shots was the initial > > treatment, although for me the gels have a far more consisitant > > result. I found the testogel was far less viscous and so was > absorbed > > far eisier than the testim, but my t levels seemed to be all over > the > > place. The testim is slightly uncomfortable just after application > (i > > work in a suit - urggh), yet seems to give me a far more stable > > feeling within myself and the results speak volumes. How do you all > > find the treatments work for you? Do you feel satisfied with the > > results? Are there any other 'accessible' treatments on offer? > > > > *Sharpy* > > > > > --------------------------------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2005 Report Share Posted June 23, 2005 Testred aren't new http://www.testredcapsules.com/whatistestred.html They also metabolise to an extent in the liver, which is not a good idea. Nick > Re: Testim/androgel ? > > No problem with the patches. And no I never did get my > testosterone levels tested between the two for comparison. > Not sure why the injections make me feel crazy, anxiety etc. > Maybe I need the steady stream each day or maybe there's not > cypionate in the patches or gel. > Anyway, I am going to ask my doctor if I could try the new > testred capsules. > > > > > > > Hi guys, have to say i was using testogel for a while before my > GP > > > > decided to put me on the testim tubes. Having shots was the > initial > > > > treatment, although for me the gels have a far more consisitant > > > > result. I found the testogel was far less viscous and so was > > > absorbed > > > > far eisier than the testim, but my t levels seemed to be all > over > > > the > > > > place. The testim is slightly uncomfortable just after > application > > > (i > > > > work in a suit - urggh), yet seems to give me a far more stable > > > > feeling within myself and the results speak volumes. How do you > all > > > > find the treatments work for you? Do you feel satisfied > with the > > > > results? Are there any other 'accessible' treatments on offer? > > > > > > > > *Sharpy* > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2005 Report Share Posted June 24, 2005 I had to make a comment on the patches. THEY ARE IRRITATING AS HELL!!! To simulate the patches and get an idea of what they are like use duct tape. Make sure you apply the tape to the most hairy part of your body for at least 12 hours. Make sure you remove the duct tape vigorously after the twelve hours. To get the full affect you must also do this for a week. After this test I'm sure you'll never bring up the thought again. LD lrs1951 <stat1951@...> wrote: interesting comment in this comparison. Do you have any problems with the patches? Did you ever check your T levels between the times you were on the AndroGel (and at what strength) and the patches (and at what strengths)? Thanks. Larry > > Hi guys, have to say i was using testogel for a while before my GP > > decided to put me on the testim tubes. Having shots was the initial > > treatment, although for me the gels have a far more consisitant > > result. I found the testogel was far less viscous and so was > absorbed > > far eisier than the testim, but my t levels seemed to be all over > the > > place. The testim is slightly uncomfortable just after application > (i > > work in a suit - urggh), yet seems to give me a far more stable > > feeling within myself and the results speak volumes. How do you all > > find the treatments work for you? Do you feel satisfied with the > > results? Are there any other 'accessible' treatments on offer? > > > > *Sharpy* --------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2005 Report Share Posted June 28, 2005 On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 04:22:52 -0000, you wrote: > >First of all, a 100mg IM shot has 70mg of testosterone and 30mg of >ester (the oil base " carrier " for the testosterone). The injection >goes into a muscle (that's why they call it an IM or Intermuscular >shot). The testosterone then " leaches " out of the pocket that it's in >and into the bloodstream where it can get busy " doing its thing " . Do you have a source for this idea? My understanding is Esters are a chemical family that are attached to the testosterone chain. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ester http://www.timinvermont.com/fitness/ester.htm Esterification of an injectable anabolic/androgenic steroid basically accomplishes one thing, it slows the release of the parent steroid from the site of injection. This happens because the ester will notably lower the water solubility of the steroid, and increase its lipid (fat) solubility. This will cause the drug to form a deposit in the muscle tissue, from which it will slowly enter into circulation as it is picked up in small quantities by the blood. Generally, the longer the ester chain, the lower the water solubility of the compound, and the longer it will take to for the full dosage to reach general circulation. - - - - Just another albino black sheep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2005 Report Share Posted June 29, 2005 On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 13:04:27 -0000, you wrote: >For which idea are you looking for a source? The leaching or the >added weight? The added weight is just simple physics. If you add an >additional group (whether its an ester, an alcohol, a methyl, etc.) to >any molecule it will increase that molecules weight. Ah if you're talking weight I agree. I though when you said " oil base " carrier " " you meant the sesame oil itself, not the testosterone molecule add on to keep it from dissolving. > > >> >> > >> >First of all, a 100mg IM shot has 70mg of testosterone and 30mg of >> >ester (the oil base " carrier " for the testosterone). The injection >> >goes into a muscle (that's why they call it an IM or Intermuscular >> >shot). The testosterone then " leaches " out of the pocket that it's in >> >and into the bloodstream where it can get busy " doing its thing " . >> >> >> Do you have a source for this idea? >> >> My understanding is Esters are a chemical family that are attached to >> the testosterone chain. >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ester >> >> http://www.timinvermont.com/fitness/ester.htm >> >> Esterification of an injectable anabolic/androgenic steroid basically >> accomplishes one thing, it slows the release of the parent steroid >> from the site of injection. This happens because the ester will >> notably lower the water solubility of the steroid, and increase its >> lipid (fat) solubility. This will cause the drug to form a deposit in >> the muscle tissue, from which it will slowly enter into circulation as >> it is picked up in small quantities by the blood. Generally, the >> longer the ester chain, the lower the water solubility of the >> compound, and the longer it will take to for the full dosage to reach >> general circulation. >> >> - - - - >> Just another albino black sheep > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2005 Report Share Posted July 28, 2005 Bob Testim is cheaper then Androgel and works better. But when you see your Dr. have him check you E2 " Estradiol " this is a common problem with men on TRT a lot of the T med gets converted into E2 and can make you feel like that and kill you sex life. Phil " Bob K. " <iamhandy@...> wrote: > Hi guys, have to say i was using testogel for a while before my GP > decided to put me on the testim tubes. Having shots was the initial > treatment, although for me the gels have a far more consisitant > result. I found the testogel was far less viscous and so was absorbed > far eisier than the testim, but my t levels seemed to be all over the > place. The testim is slightly uncomfortable just after application (i > work in a suit - urggh), yet seems to give me a far more stable > feeling within myself and the results speak volumes. How do you all > find the treatments work for you? Do you feel satisfied with the > results? Are there any other 'accessible' treatments on offer? > > *Sharpy* hey guys, i've been on androgel for a couple of years now, my numbers are usually above 700 after application and during the day. my problem is i just don't have the energy i think i should have like when i would first get a shot of T. but i also get low blood sugar so maybe that has an effect on my well being. i have been reading about this Testim you guys talk about i have not heard about it until now. how long has it been around and what does it cost compared to andrgel? does it take longer to dry than androgel? i go to the doctors in a couple of weeks for my bi yearly check up, i think i'm going to ask about this testim. it sounds like it may help me have more energy and be in better moods. by the way i am 40 years old and have only known about the kleinfelters syndrome for 4 years, so any help or advice you can give me, i will take. although i know others have this problem i still feel alone, because most people i know and work with do not know i have this problem and just think i am lazy. thanks for listening, Bob K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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