Endocrine System

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Real nice site on the Endocrine System, not sure if has been posted before, real

nice

photos, etc.

http://arbl.cvmbs.colostate.edu/hbooks/pathphys/endocrine/index.html

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Try giving him adrneal cortex 1/4 capsule in the morning. Are the energetix

homeopathic remedies? If so, these don't seem to help much in terms of the body

not making the hormones it needs because of mercury poisoning. It might help if

you list exactly what is in the products he is getting now.

But my daughter has stage 7 adrenal fatigue and autoimmune hypothyroidism. We

have been down the road, and what I found was that homeopathy didn't help her.

What has worked is Nutricology Adrenal Cortex and lots of it. She takes it twice

a day, three times if she is sick. She also take b5 and b6, rhodiola, ginseng.

And of course she needed Armour. But she could not tolerate Armour without A LOT

of adrenal support, she was up to four capsules at one point. I second that

because I can't tolerate armour without adrenal cortex either.

Next: give him melatonin at night. 0.5-1mg about 1/2 hour before bed. They also

sell time released to help him stay asleep.

People with adrenal problems notoriously have sleep/wake cycle problems. For us

we regulated them by doing the above. After a while the cortex helps the

adrenals enough that the melatonin isn't needed.

You really can't do Armour without the adrenals being supported anyway, it will

just make things worse. The cheapest way to see if he needs Armour is to check

his body temps.

mercury causes adrenal fatigue and Hypothalamus problems. I have HPA axis

problems myself and have not been able to " fix " them as of yet.

I am doing chelation, taking adrenal cortex, am on Armour, but still..my

cortisol regulation is off. I began tinkering with forskolii and it gives me

energy but I have to be careful as it can cause more adrenal symptoms and

thyroid hormone pooling if I take too much of it. Until I get the mercury out of

my brain, its going to be messed up. Andy has a lot of endocrine information in

his book Amalgam Illness.

Here's How to check his thyroid/adrenals without pulling blood:

When you hear the phrase " Take your temperature " , you usually associate it with

being sick and looking for a fever.

But your temperature can also be a clue of your metabolic health. As a

hypothyroid patient, taking your temperature can be an important aspect in three

other ways:

1) diagnosing hypothyroid

2) dosing with natural desiccated thyroid

3) assessing your adrenal status

Generally, the average temperature of an adult with a healthy thyroid and a

healthy metabolism is 98.6 degrees Fahrenheit or 37.0 degrees Celsius, and that

occurs around mid-afternoon or 3 pm. So if you take your mid-afternoon temp and

find it in low 98's or even in the 97's, you have been given a strong clue that

you may be hypothyroid. And a few report their mid-afternoon temp being in the

96's. BRRRR.

Another temperature clue is to take it before you rise from your bed in the

morning. Dr. Broda , a doctor who paid attention to clinical presentation

and prescribed Armour, found that a healthy before-rising morning basal temp

should be between 97.8 - 98.2. If it's higher, you may be hyperthyroid, and if

it's lower, you are most likely hypothyroid. He also recommended under-the-arm

temperature testing, but patients have found oral to be just as effective.

Additionally, once you are on natural desiccated thyroid like Armour, and are

consistently raising your doses, you will see your temps climb to healthy levels

with increasing feel-good symptoms to match. In many patients, reaching 98.6 can

happen before you are even on your optimal amount of Armour.

But what if you are seeing your temperature all over the map, such as one temp

one day, and a temp one-half to two degrees lower at the exact same time the

next day?? That could be a sign that you have low-functioning adrenals, a common

condition with hypothyroid patients, which means you aren't producing enough

cortisol. And for some folks, it takes supplementing with low-dose

Hydrocortisone or other adrenal support products to bring that stability in the

temperature back.

Dr. Rind has an excellent temperature graph you can use to understand temps:

http://www.drrind.com/therapies/metabolic-temperature-graph

WHAT KIND OF THERMOMETER SHOULD YOU USE? Though Dr. Rind above doesn't recommend

the old-fashion oral mercury thermometers, we as thyroid patients have found

them quite useful and accurate as compared to most digital thermometers, which

tend to be off up to a degree one direction or the other. Yes, some digitals are

definitely better than others. But when in doubt, use your Mercury, or any

fluid-filled thermometer, which in modern times, replaces the older mercury

thermometers. It's also important to leave it under your tongue long enough,

i.e. several minutes.

WHAT IF YOUR TEMP IS NORMAL OR HIGH, YET YOU HAVE HYPOTHYROID SYMPTOMS? This is

a clue that you may have an antibodies attack on your thyroid, called Hashimotos

Disease, making it wise to do the two antibodies tests to confirm or rule out

Hashi's.

So TAKE YOUR TEMP!!

P.S. If you are a menstruating woman, keep in mind that your normal morning

temperature may be at its lowest from day one of your period to day 14 of your

cycle, then up to a degree higher after ovulation until you start your period

again.

>>Now once you get his temps let me know. There is also over the counter thyroid

glandular that might help.

P

>

> I really need some help trying to figure out my sons SEVERE endocrine system

issues. I spent some time on the " Stop the Thyroid Madness " site. I'm more

confused than ever. My son clearly has almost all of the issues for thyroid,

insulin, adrenals, cortisol, etc. I haven't slept in 3.5 years since he was born

and I don't know how much more I can take...or he can take. He literally wakes

up every 45minutes/every sleep cycle. We have had NO luck getting blood from

him in the past year...and believe me we have tried just about everything and

every idea that people have sent my way with the exception of putting him under.

We since then have migrated to energy work (not sure if any of you follow/agree

w/ this) but it has been about all that has worked for us. Anyway, according to

this, he has severe issues w/ his hypothalamus plus adrenal and thyroid issues.

He has been on Energentix products for thyroid, adrenals and recently start one

for hypothalamus. All I've read says that saliva is the way to go for testing

but impossible to get from a 3.5 yo. Our DAN! is willing to help w/ blood tests

but we cannot get blood. It seems like Armour is the way to go but if I

understand correctly that is impossible to get w/o blood testing and a script.

Any ideas for this completed exhausted mother?

>

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> I really need some help trying to figure out my sons SEVERE endocrine system

issues. I spent some time on the " Stop the Thyroid Madness " site. I'm more

confused than ever. My son clearly has almost all of the issues for thyroid,

insulin, adrenals, cortisol, etc.

For thyroid, I corrected that problem with selenium, iodine, and tyrosine.

Dana

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Dana,

how do you tell that thyroid problem is corrected?

On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 9:16 PM, danasview <danasview@...> wrote:

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> > I really need some help trying to figure out my sons SEVERE endocrine

> system issues. I spent some time on the " Stop the Thyroid Madness " site. I'm

> more confused than ever. My son clearly has almost all of the issues for

> thyroid, insulin, adrenals, cortisol, etc.

>

> For thyroid, I corrected that problem with selenium, iodine, and tyrosine.

>

> Dana

>

>

>

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Priscilla

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From: mrcamsmom

I really need some help trying to figure out my sons SEVERE endocrine system

issues. I spent some time on the " Stop the Thyroid Madness " site. I'm more

confused than ever. My son clearly has almost all of the issues for thyroid,

insulin, adrenals, cortisol, etc. I haven't slept in 3.5 years since he was born

and I don't know how much more I can take...or he can take.

===>You're unlikely to be able to fix this before chelation. It's a common

mistake to want to take care of issues before chelation that will only dissipate

with chelation.

Any ideas for this completed exhausted mother?

===>Chelate, low/frequent dose protocol.

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> Dana,

> how do you tell that thyroid problem is corrected?

At my house, thyroid issues caused a few problems. I knew I had the thyroid

issues resolved when those problems were gone.

Dana

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Hi Jan,

Thanks so much for all the great info. We will be taking his temp this weekend

and I will get back to you on that. Unfortunately we will have to use the

digital ear theramonitor b/c he will not put the other in his mouth or keep it

in there for the appropriate period. Do you think using a digital one is a

waste of time?

I ordered the Nutricology Adrenal Cortex and will give it a try.

I have to say that I laughed and almost cried when you said to give him .5 to 1

mg of SR Melatonin. We are up to 2.5 SR Melatonin and it barely phases him.

Going to sleep is not our problem but waking up a million times is. Let me

explain what happens in any given night for us....

He goes to sleep anywhere between 8-9pm. Generally stays asleep until around

11:30pm. At that point, he wakes up almost every 45 minutes on the dot...every

sleep cycle for him. He MUST have a few bites of food (he gets a combo of

homemade org pearsauce, org ground chicken and GF oatmeal...I know it sounds

gross but that is about all he can tolerate). After about 5 or so bites, he

drinks about 4oz of water and falls fast asleep. He will not lay down until he

gets his food/water. He doesn't even really wake up. Sits up in the bed, eyes

generally never open and his body and head bobs around. Now if I try to forgo

his food/water, life is even more difficult.

So that's our life. Any more suggestions?

I will check his temps this weekend and get back to you for any further

suggestions you might have, and possibly more info on the over the counter

thyroid glandular you mentioned.

Thanks so much,

Crystal

>

> Try giving him adrneal cortex 1/4 capsule in the morning. Are the energetix

homeopathic remedies? If so, these don't seem to help much in terms of the body

not making the hormones it needs because of mercury poisoning. It might help if

you list exactly what is in the products he is getting now.

>

> But my daughter has stage 7 adrenal fatigue and autoimmune hypothyroidism. We

have been down the road, and what I found was that homeopathy didn't help her.

What has worked is Nutricology Adrenal Cortex and lots of it. She takes it twice

a day, three times if she is sick. She also take b5 and b6, rhodiola, ginseng.

And of course she needed Armour. But she could not tolerate Armour without A LOT

of adrenal support, she was up to four capsules at one point. I second that

because I can't tolerate armour without adrenal cortex either.

>

> Next: give him melatonin at night. 0.5-1mg about 1/2 hour before bed. They

also sell time released to help him stay asleep.

> People with adrenal problems notoriously have sleep/wake cycle problems. For

us we regulated them by doing the above. After a while the cortex helps the

adrenals enough that the melatonin isn't needed.

> You really can't do Armour without the adrenals being supported anyway, it

will just make things worse. The cheapest way to see if he needs Armour is to

check his body temps.

> mercury causes adrenal fatigue and Hypothalamus problems. I have HPA axis

problems myself and have not been able to " fix " them as of yet.

> I am doing chelation, taking adrenal cortex, am on Armour, but still..my

cortisol regulation is off. I began tinkering with forskolii and it gives me

energy but I have to be careful as it can cause more adrenal symptoms and

thyroid hormone pooling if I take too much of it. Until I get the mercury out of

my brain, its going to be messed up. Andy has a lot of endocrine information in

his book Amalgam Illness.

>

> Here's How to check his thyroid/adrenals without pulling blood:

>

> When you hear the phrase " Take your temperature " , you usually associate it

with being sick and looking for a fever.

>

> But your temperature can also be a clue of your metabolic health. As a

hypothyroid patient, taking your temperature can be an important aspect in three

other ways:

>

> 1) diagnosing hypothyroid

> 2) dosing with natural desiccated thyroid

> 3) assessing your adrenal status

>

> Generally, the average temperature of an adult with a healthy thyroid and a

healthy metabolism is 98.6 degrees Fahrenheit or 37.0 degrees Celsius, and that

occurs around mid-afternoon or 3 pm. So if you take your mid-afternoon temp and

find it in low 98's or even in the 97's, you have been given a strong clue that

you may be hypothyroid. And a few report their mid-afternoon temp being in the

96's. BRRRR.

>

> Another temperature clue is to take it before you rise from your bed in the

morning. Dr. Broda , a doctor who paid attention to clinical presentation

and prescribed Armour, found that a healthy before-rising morning basal temp

should be between 97.8 - 98.2. If it's higher, you may be hyperthyroid, and if

it's lower, you are most likely hypothyroid. He also recommended under-the-arm

temperature testing, but patients have found oral to be just as effective.

>

> Additionally, once you are on natural desiccated thyroid like Armour, and are

consistently raising your doses, you will see your temps climb to healthy levels

with increasing feel-good symptoms to match. In many patients, reaching 98.6 can

happen before you are even on your optimal amount of Armour.

>

> But what if you are seeing your temperature all over the map, such as one temp

one day, and a temp one-half to two degrees lower at the exact same time the

next day?? That could be a sign that you have low-functioning adrenals, a common

condition with hypothyroid patients, which means you aren't producing enough

cortisol. And for some folks, it takes supplementing with low-dose

Hydrocortisone or other adrenal support products to bring that stability in the

temperature back.

>

> Dr. Rind has an excellent temperature graph you can use to understand temps:

> http://www.drrind.com/therapies/metabolic-temperature-graph

>

> WHAT KIND OF THERMOMETER SHOULD YOU USE? Though Dr. Rind above doesn't

recommend the old-fashion oral mercury thermometers, we as thyroid patients have

found them quite useful and accurate as compared to most digital thermometers,

which tend to be off up to a degree one direction or the other. Yes, some

digitals are definitely better than others. But when in doubt, use your Mercury,

or any fluid-filled thermometer, which in modern times, replaces the older

mercury thermometers. It's also important to leave it under your tongue long

enough, i.e. several minutes.

>

> WHAT IF YOUR TEMP IS NORMAL OR HIGH, YET YOU HAVE HYPOTHYROID SYMPTOMS? This

is a clue that you may have an antibodies attack on your thyroid, called

Hashimotos Disease, making it wise to do the two antibodies tests to confirm or

rule out Hashi's.

>

Now once you get his temps let me know. There is also over the counter thyroid

glandular that might help.

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You would need to put it under his arm, not in his mouth. Does that help?

Because digitals are notably not reliable for this. Underarm with a glass therm,

you can do this while holding the child on your lap and reading a book or

something.

The thing with the food at night, may be blood sugar, which again is adrenals

and hopefully the adrenal cortex will begin to help that.

I see your already using sustained release melatonin right? So that's not

working but honestly it is probably his adrenals making him wake so much.

Valerian and chamomile can help with sleep.

> >

> > Try giving him adrneal cortex 1/4 capsule in the morning. Are the energetix

homeopathic remedies? If so, these don't seem to help much in terms of the body

not making the hormones it needs because of mercury poisoning. It might help if

you list exactly what is in the products he is getting now.

> >

> > But my daughter has stage 7 adrenal fatigue and autoimmune hypothyroidism.

We have been down the road, and what I found was that homeopathy didn't help

her. What has worked is Nutricology Adrenal Cortex and lots of it. She takes it

twice a day, three times if she is sick. She also take b5 and b6, rhodiola,

ginseng. And of course she needed Armour. But she could not tolerate Armour

without A LOT of adrenal support, she was up to four capsules at one point. I

second that because I can't tolerate armour without adrenal cortex either.

> >

> > Next: give him melatonin at night. 0.5-1mg about 1/2 hour before bed. They

also sell time released to help him stay asleep.

> > People with adrenal problems notoriously have sleep/wake cycle problems. For

us we regulated them by doing the above. After a while the cortex helps the

adrenals enough that the melatonin isn't needed.

> > You really can't do Armour without the adrenals being supported anyway, it

will just make things worse. The cheapest way to see if he needs Armour is to

check his body temps.

> > mercury causes adrenal fatigue and Hypothalamus problems. I have HPA axis

problems myself and have not been able to " fix " them as of yet.

> > I am doing chelation, taking adrenal cortex, am on Armour, but still..my

cortisol regulation is off. I began tinkering with forskolii and it gives me

energy but I have to be careful as it can cause more adrenal symptoms and

thyroid hormone pooling if I take too much of it. Until I get the mercury out of

my brain, its going to be messed up. Andy has a lot of endocrine information in

his book Amalgam Illness.

> >

> > Here's How to check his thyroid/adrenals without pulling blood:

> >

> > When you hear the phrase " Take your temperature " , you usually associate it

with being sick and looking for a fever.

> >

> > But your temperature can also be a clue of your metabolic health. As a

hypothyroid patient, taking your temperature can be an important aspect in three

other ways:

> >

> > 1) diagnosing hypothyroid

> > 2) dosing with natural desiccated thyroid

> > 3) assessing your adrenal status

> >

> > Generally, the average temperature of an adult with a healthy thyroid and a

healthy metabolism is 98.6 degrees Fahrenheit or 37.0 degrees Celsius, and that

occurs around mid-afternoon or 3 pm. So if you take your mid-afternoon temp and

find it in low 98's or even in the 97's, you have been given a strong clue that

you may be hypothyroid. And a few report their mid-afternoon temp being in the

96's. BRRRR.

> >

> > Another temperature clue is to take it before you rise from your bed in the

morning. Dr. Broda , a doctor who paid attention to clinical presentation

and prescribed Armour, found that a healthy before-rising morning basal temp

should be between 97.8 - 98.2. If it's higher, you may be hyperthyroid, and if

it's lower, you are most likely hypothyroid. He also recommended under-the-arm

temperature testing, but patients have found oral to be just as effective.

> >

> > Additionally, once you are on natural desiccated thyroid like Armour, and

are consistently raising your doses, you will see your temps climb to healthy

levels with increasing feel-good symptoms to match. In many patients, reaching

98.6 can happen before you are even on your optimal amount of Armour.

> >

> > But what if you are seeing your temperature all over the map, such as one

temp one day, and a temp one-half to two degrees lower at the exact same time

the next day?? That could be a sign that you have low-functioning adrenals, a

common condition with hypothyroid patients, which means you aren't producing

enough cortisol. And for some folks, it takes supplementing with low-dose

Hydrocortisone or other adrenal support products to bring that stability in the

temperature back.

> >

> > Dr. Rind has an excellent temperature graph you can use to understand temps:

> > http://www.drrind.com/therapies/metabolic-temperature-graph

> >

> > WHAT KIND OF THERMOMETER SHOULD YOU USE? Though Dr. Rind above doesn't

recommend the old-fashion oral mercury thermometers, we as thyroid patients have

found them quite useful and accurate as compared to most digital thermometers,

which tend to be off up to a degree one direction or the other. Yes, some

digitals are definitely better than others. But when in doubt, use your Mercury,

or any fluid-filled thermometer, which in modern times, replaces the older

mercury thermometers. It's also important to leave it under your tongue long

enough, i.e. several minutes.

> >

> > WHAT IF YOUR TEMP IS NORMAL OR HIGH, YET YOU HAVE HYPOTHYROID SYMPTOMS? This

is a clue that you may have an antibodies attack on your thyroid, called

Hashimotos Disease, making it wise to do the two antibodies tests to confirm or

rule out Hashi's.

> >

> Now once you get his temps let me know. There is also over the counter thyroid

glandular that might help.

>