Guest guest Posted May 11, 2004 Report Share Posted May 11, 2004 Nickso, I was a herpes virologist. Herpes type I, cold sores/fever blisters is ubiquitous in the population...as many as 90% of adults will be infected. The incidence of type II, genital herpes is about 30 - 50%. Once an individual is infected, infection is for life in a latent state. Epstein-Barr virus, cytomegalovirus, varicella-zoster and some new ones. For this reason I would hardly think there's a correlation between infection with herpes virus and low T and the fact that herpes infection is prevalent in a high percentage of men and most likely a high percentage of men do not have low T. Furthermore, our infection with herpes type I, generally occurs early in life. EBV is cause of infectious mononucleosis and has been called the " kissing disease " . The reason for this is that infectious mononucleosis can be termed a " class disease " of the middle/upper middle class, as it was most prevalent in college students which selects for these class groups. OR eon GayMan Herpes and Low T Anyone ever read or heard about Herpes being the cause of low T? Nickso Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2004 Report Share Posted May 11, 2004 Nick, Haven't read that, but i find it interesting since my health problems started with a severe tropical illness immediately followed by a severe epstein-barr virus infefction. EBV is a herpesvirus. I have read a lot about infections damaging the hypothalamus, so maybe this is related to what you've heard about herpes and low T. Mark > Anyone ever read or heard about Herpes being the cause of low T? > > Nickso Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2004 Report Share Posted May 11, 2004 Oreon, Infection is not always in a latent state. Mine has reactivated on occasion. I also have met a lot of people besides myself who had ebstein-barr as adults and developed severe CFS-type symptoms. I think some people like myself have some sort of genetic vulnerability to whatever damage this virus can do. Most likely explanation according to my research and my various health problems is damage to the hypothalamus. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2004 Report Share Posted May 11, 2004 Mark, I use L-lysene, a supplement which really helps herpes outbreaks on my face: it lengthens time between reactivations, reduces severity of outbreaks, and quickens healing. I take a preventive 500 mg in the morning and again in the evening. I double that during outbreaks, in conjunction with Zovirex ointment. (You may have already read this, I think I mentioned it to the CFS group.) Best, Bruce > Oreon, > > Infection is not always in a latent state. Mine has reactivated on > occasion. > > I also have met a lot of people besides myself who had ebstein-barr > as adults and developed severe CFS-type symptoms. I think some > people like myself have some sort of genetic vulnerability to > whatever damage this virus can do. Most likely explanation according > to my research and my various health problems is damage to the > hypothalamus. > > Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2004 Report Share Posted May 12, 2004 Nick, I just picked this up in Mark's post....I missed it in your original " Anyone ever read or heard about Herpes being the cause of low T? " Maybe " a " rare cause of low T, but certainly by no means " the " cause of low T... More of my $0.02.... OR eon GayMan Re: Herpes and Low T Nick, Haven't read that, but i find it interesting since my health problems started with a severe tropical illness immediately followed by a severe epstein-barr virus infefction. EBV is a herpesvirus. I have read a lot about infections damaging the hypothalamus, so maybe this is related to what you've heard about herpes and low T. Mark > Anyone ever read or heard about Herpes being the cause of low T? > > Nickso Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2004 Report Share Posted May 12, 2004 Bruce, Yeah, I have used lysine in the past. I am considering adding it back in at some point, but you know how it goes - if you add more than one thing at a time you don't know what's working. Thanks, Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2004 Report Share Posted May 12, 2004 Mark, You are absolutely right! What I meant, and I didn't make myself clear, herpesviruses exist latently in different types of cells within the body. Below this classification they are further classified into " neurotropic " and " lymphotrophic " . This is in contrast to some, non-cell associated, lytic viruses....measles, mumps, polio...during our infection with these viruses an antibody response is elicited which elimates these viruses from our bodies and they " do not exist latently " to become activated later. It's been relatively easy to make effective vaccines against lytic viruses, but more difficult for cell-associated. Many attempts have been made too make a vaccine against Type I without success. Herpes simplex type (Herpesvirus type I & II, varicella-zoster, etc.) are neurotropic viruses, residing in nerve cell ganglia) generally individuals with type I may have recurrent fever blisters/cold sores and these lesions generally appear in the same place at the junction between lip and skin...representing infection of a branch of trigeminal nerve (from Encarta: cranial nerve: either of the fifth pair of cranial nerves that provide the jaw, face, and nasal cavity with motor and sensory functions " ). Not everyone infected with Type I will have these recurring activations. I know that I'm infected with Herpes type I, I tested myself in laboratory, but to best of my knowledge, I've never had a cold sore/fever blister. The world wide incidence of infection with Type I is very high 90-95%. In laboratory cell cultures, it's very easy to grow the " neurotropic " cytolytic herpesviruses in contradistinction to " lymphotrophic " herpesviruses " Varicella-zoster (VZ) virus is cause of chicken pox in children; VZ infects dorsal root ganglia and may reappear as shingles in mature individuals. VZ lesions in adults are always unilateral, never bilateral. A plausible scenario how children develop chicken pox is acquiring VZ infection from grand parents that have an active infection(s) and are " shedding " VZ virus, that grandchildren pick up.. VZ virus, like all herpesviruses exists latently in individuals and may be activated in some individuals later. OR eon GayMan Re: Herpes and Low T Oreon, Infection is not always in a latent state. Mine has reactivated on Occasion. I also have met a lot of people besides myself who had ebstein-barr as adults and developed severe CFS-type symptoms. I think some people like myself have some sort of genetic vulnerability to whatever damage this virus can do. Most likely explanation according to my research and my various health problems is damage to the hypothalamus. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2004 Report Share Posted May 12, 2004 Oreon, Good info, thanks! Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2004 Report Share Posted May 12, 2004 Thanks for your .02 Nickso > > Anyone ever read or heard about Herpes being the cause of low T? > > > > Nickso > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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