RE: Androgel: site irritation

[Guest guest]

I break out in a rash when my Estradiol levels go up have you had this checked.

If so and they are ok then you need to stop the androgel but you could try

Testim. Do you put on the androgel after a shower. It is very bad to not

shower first.

Phil

rndchemist <rndchemist@...> wrote:

I just developed an irritation on my shoulders. It gets worse with

Androgel. My shoulders area itch and are very sensitive to touch and

heat and moisture. When I wear clothes, it feels like I am wearing

shoulder pads with needles. Benadryl (caps) help me control the

itching.

I went to Urgent Care and they gave me methylpred and that helped.

The doctor in UC asked me to go and see my own doctor because he

suspected one of my meds was causing it.

I went to see my allergist because I thought it was an allergic

reaction (long story). When the doctor saw the site, he said it was

" folicular acne " and said Androgel causes it mainly on the shoulders.

He asked me if it gets worse with moisturizers and I said yes and he

was not surprised. He told me not to use Androgel on the shoulders

and gave me a prescription for Metrogel (I cannot decipher the first

letter in the hand written prescription), 0.75% to apply twice a day.

He told me that oil based moisturizers will make me feel worse (I

have been using Cetaphil and it does get worse when I apply it). He

recommended Eucerin or Aquaphor which are water based.

The question I have is: if I cannot continue to apply Androgel in my

body, what are my best alternatives to replace it? I apply Andro on

my sides and on my quads (legs); so I have 4 different places. The

only problem I have is I feel those places are also becoming a little

sensitive too.

Thanks in advance!

Flaco

[Guest guest]

There is no difference between Androgel and Testim as far as their

respective abilities to produce estrogen.

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Re: Androgel: site irritation

I break out in a rash when my Estradiol levels go up have you had this

checked. If so and they are ok then you need to stop the androgel but you

could try Testim. Do you put on the androgel after a shower. It is very

bad to not shower first.

Phil

rndchemist <rndchemist@...> wrote:

I just developed an irritation on my shoulders. It gets worse with

Androgel. My shoulders area itch and are very sensitive to touch and

heat and moisture. When I wear clothes, it feels like I am wearing

shoulder pads with needles. Benadryl (caps) help me control the

itching.

I went to Urgent Care and they gave me methylpred and that helped.

The doctor in UC asked me to go and see my own doctor because he

suspected one of my meds was causing it.

I went to see my allergist because I thought it was an allergic

reaction (long story). When the doctor saw the site, he said it was

" folicular acne " and said Androgel causes it mainly on the shoulders.

He asked me if it gets worse with moisturizers and I said yes and he

was not surprised. He told me not to use Androgel on the shoulders

and gave me a prescription for Metrogel (I cannot decipher the first

letter in the hand written prescription), 0.75% to apply twice a day.

He told me that oil based moisturizers will make me feel worse (I

have been using Cetaphil and it does get worse when I apply it). He

recommended Eucerin or Aquaphor which are water based.

The question I have is: if I cannot continue to apply Androgel in my

body, what are my best alternatives to replace it? I apply Andro on

my sides and on my quads (legs); so I have 4 different places. The

only problem I have is I feel those places are also becoming a little

sensitive too.

Thanks in advance!

Flaco

[Guest guest]

Phil:

I always put Androgel on right after the shower in the morning.

I think my problem was caused by the excessive heat (96 degrees) and

very high humidity on those two days. Plus, I put Andro on my

shoulder that morning right before going to play softball and then on

top of it I put the sunscreen.

I also believe that the T-shirt I wore for the first game (a 50/50

poly/cotton blend) was also part of the issue. My skin is sensitive

to polyster, lycra and very sensitive to latex.

I think all these combinations made a bad mix for my skin and gave me

the irritation.

It is going down slowly. I still itch, mainly when is hot and humid.

The Eucirin works well. I need to learn to apply just a smear of it

and not a boat load of it.

The Metrogel prescription is an antiprotozoal and antibacterial agent

used mainly to treat redness and inflamation associated with rosacea.

The list of side effects is scary, so I am not using it unless I see

the skin deteriorating.

I do plan to see my doctor soon for my physical and I will ask for the

entire hormonal panel, including E2 since she did not do it last time,

including the PSA or the prostate exam. I wonder if insurance

companies are putting pressure on docs not to do this exam since this

is the second time she has not performed it and before, even if I went

to see her for a cold she would ask me to " bend over and sing Sinatra

for me!!! "

Flaco

> I just developed an irritation on my shoulders. It gets worse with

> Androgel. My shoulders area itch and are very sensitive to touch

and

> heat and moisture. When I wear clothes, it feels like I am wearing

> shoulder pads with needles. Benadryl (caps) help me control the

> itching.

> I went to Urgent Care and they gave me methylpred and that helped.

> The doctor in UC asked me to go and see my own doctor because he

> suspected one of my meds was causing it.

> I went to see my allergist because I thought it was an allergic

> reaction (long story). When the doctor saw the site, he said it was

> " folicular acne " and said Androgel causes it mainly on the

shoulders.

> He asked me if it gets worse with moisturizers and I said yes and he

> was not surprised. He told me not to use Androgel on the shoulders

> and gave me a prescription for Metrogel (I cannot decipher the first

> letter in the hand written prescription), 0.75% to apply twice a

day.

> He told me that oil based moisturizers will make me feel worse (I

> have been using Cetaphil and it does get worse when I apply it). He

> recommended Eucerin or Aquaphor which are water based.

>

> The question I have is: if I cannot continue to apply Androgel in my

> body, what are my best alternatives to replace it? I apply Andro on

> my sides and on my quads (legs); so I have 4 different places. The

> only problem I have is I feel those places are also becoming a

little

> sensitive too.

>

> Thanks in advance!

>

> Flaco

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

OK this is how it happens to me. For yrs. like 15 I would break out like this

and it was always do to heat. If I took a hot shower I would get big red spots

all over my body. If I eat shrimp I got hives never had this problem before. I

have always had a spa if I went in it when this was going on it got worse. I

read about high E2 Estradiol here at this link.

http://www.lef.org/protocols/prtcls-txt/t-prtcl-130.html

So I got some Zinc with Copper and took 100 mgs. a day for a month the 50 mgs.

the dam rash went away. But this did not last it came back after my body

leveled off on the zinc. So I got my Dr. to test my E2 it was dam high. I took

Arimidex .5 mgs. everyday for a month and the rash went away and only comes back

when my E2 goes up. My ED and trouble reaching an orgasm got better also. I

get panic attacks they are gone. But like I said the heat made it bad and

putting anything on it was a no no.

Phil

rndchemist <rndchemist@...> wrote:

Phil:

I always put Androgel on right after the shower in the morning.

I think my problem was caused by the excessive heat (96 degrees) and

very high humidity on those two days. Plus, I put Andro on my

shoulder that morning right before going to play softball and then on

top of it I put the sunscreen.

I also believe that the T-shirt I wore for the first game (a 50/50

poly/cotton blend) was also part of the issue. My skin is sensitive

to polyster, lycra and very sensitive to latex.

I think all these combinations made a bad mix for my skin and gave me

the irritation.

It is going down slowly. I still itch, mainly when is hot and humid.

The Eucirin works well. I need to learn to apply just a smear of it

and not a boat load of it.

The Metrogel prescription is an antiprotozoal and antibacterial agent

used mainly to treat redness and inflamation associated with rosacea.

The list of side effects is scary, so I am not using it unless I see

the skin deteriorating.

I do plan to see my doctor soon for my physical and I will ask for the

entire hormonal panel, including E2 since she did not do it last time,

including the PSA or the prostate exam. I wonder if insurance

companies are putting pressure on docs not to do this exam since this

is the second time she has not performed it and before, even if I went

to see her for a cold she would ask me to " bend over and sing Sinatra

for me!!! "

Flaco

> I just developed an irritation on my shoulders. It gets worse with

> Androgel. My shoulders area itch and are very sensitive to touch

and

> heat and moisture. When I wear clothes, it feels like I am wearing

> shoulder pads with needles. Benadryl (caps) help me control the

> itching.

> I went to Urgent Care and they gave me methylpred and that helped.

> The doctor in UC asked me to go and see my own doctor because he

> suspected one of my meds was causing it.

> I went to see my allergist because I thought it was an allergic

> reaction (long story). When the doctor saw the site, he said it was

> " folicular acne " and said Androgel causes it mainly on the

shoulders.

> He asked me if it gets worse with moisturizers and I said yes and he

> was not surprised. He told me not to use Androgel on the shoulders

> and gave me a prescription for Metrogel (I cannot decipher the first

> letter in the hand written prescription), 0.75% to apply twice a

day.

> He told me that oil based moisturizers will make me feel worse (I

> have been using Cetaphil and it does get worse when I apply it). He

> recommended Eucerin or Aquaphor which are water based.

>

> The question I have is: if I cannot continue to apply Androgel in my

> body, what are my best alternatives to replace it? I apply Andro on

> my sides and on my quads (legs); so I have 4 different places. The

> only problem I have is I feel those places are also becoming a

little

> sensitive too.

>

> Thanks in advance!

>

> Flaco

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Phil:

Thanks for the article! I just printed it so I can digest it better.

Do you know the year it was written?

I have been having ED problems lately too, in spite of using my

Androgel by the book and my Total T and Free T being within good ranges.

I will get in touch with my doctor to have my tests done soon. I

remember my E2 last year was at 24. I need to find out where it is

currently.

Flaco

> > I just developed an irritation on my shoulders. It gets worse with

> > Androgel. My shoulders area itch and are very sensitive to touch

> and

> > heat and moisture. When I wear clothes, it feels like I am wearing

> > shoulder pads with needles. Benadryl (caps) help me control the

> > itching.

> > I went to Urgent Care and they gave me methylpred and that helped.

> > The doctor in UC asked me to go and see my own doctor because he

> > suspected one of my meds was causing it.

> > I went to see my allergist because I thought it was an allergic

> > reaction (long story). When the doctor saw the site, he said it was

> > " folicular acne " and said Androgel causes it mainly on the

> shoulders.

> > He asked me if it gets worse with moisturizers and I said yes and he

> > was not surprised. He told me not to use Androgel on the shoulders

> > and gave me a prescription for Metrogel (I cannot decipher the first

> > letter in the hand written prescription), 0.75% to apply twice a

> day.

> > He told me that oil based moisturizers will make me feel worse (I

> > have been using Cetaphil and it does get worse when I apply it). He

> > recommended Eucerin or Aquaphor which are water based.

> >

> > The question I have is: if I cannot continue to apply Androgel in my

> > body, what are my best alternatives to replace it? I apply Andro on

> > my sides and on my quads (legs); so I have 4 different places. The

> > only problem I have is I feel those places are also becoming a

> little

> > sensitive too.

> >

> > Thanks in advance!

> >

> > Flaco

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Phil:

I just ran into this site that totally discredits LifeExtension. It

is called Young Again Products founded by Mason. Here is the

article:

http://www.youngagainproducts.com/article_detail.php?article_id=149

Flaco

> > I just developed an irritation on my shoulders. It gets worse with

> > Androgel. My shoulders area itch and are very sensitive to touch

> and

> > heat and moisture. When I wear clothes, it feels like I am wearing

> > shoulder pads with needles. Benadryl (caps) help me control the

> > itching.

> > I went to Urgent Care and they gave me methylpred and that helped.

> > The doctor in UC asked me to go and see my own doctor because he

> > suspected one of my meds was causing it.

> > I went to see my allergist because I thought it was an allergic

> > reaction (long story). When the doctor saw the site, he said it was

> > " folicular acne " and said Androgel causes it mainly on the

> shoulders.

> > He asked me if it gets worse with moisturizers and I said yes and he

> > was not surprised. He told me not to use Androgel on the shoulders

> > and gave me a prescription for Metrogel (I cannot decipher the first

> > letter in the hand written prescription), 0.75% to apply twice a

> day.

> > He told me that oil based moisturizers will make me feel worse (I

> > have been using Cetaphil and it does get worse when I apply it). He

> > recommended Eucerin or Aquaphor which are water based.

> >

> > The question I have is: if I cannot continue to apply Androgel in my

> > body, what are my best alternatives to replace it? I apply Andro on

> > my sides and on my quads (legs); so I have 4 different places. The

> > only problem I have is I feel those places are also becoming a

> little

> > sensitive too.

> >

> > Thanks in advance!

> >

> > Flaco

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

That was the first thing I read about low T and high E2 when I joined here. Now

I tell to read message #14939 " My Dr.'s Current Best Thoughts on TRT " . This

is the best thing to read out there. I print out a copy and gave it to my Dr.

to get him to try me on Hcg. Dr. 's treatment was a life saver for me.

Phil

rndchemist <rndchemist@...> wrote:

Phil:

Thanks for the article! I just printed it so I can digest it better.

Do you know the year it was written?

I have been having ED problems lately too, in spite of using my

Androgel by the book and my Total T and Free T being within good ranges.

I will get in touch with my doctor to have my tests done soon. I

remember my E2 last year was at 24. I need to find out where it is

currently.

Flaco

> > I just developed an irritation on my shoulders. It gets worse with

> > Androgel. My shoulders area itch and are very sensitive to touch

> and

> > heat and moisture. When I wear clothes, it feels like I am wearing

> > shoulder pads with needles. Benadryl (caps) help me control the

> > itching.

> > I went to Urgent Care and they gave me methylpred and that helped.

> > The doctor in UC asked me to go and see my own doctor because he

> > suspected one of my meds was causing it.

> > I went to see my allergist because I thought it was an allergic

> > reaction (long story). When the doctor saw the site, he said it was

> > " folicular acne " and said Androgel causes it mainly on the

> shoulders.

> > He asked me if it gets worse with moisturizers and I said yes and he

> > was not surprised. He told me not to use Androgel on the shoulders

> > and gave me a prescription for Metrogel (I cannot decipher the first

> > letter in the hand written prescription), 0.75% to apply twice a

> day.

> > He told me that oil based moisturizers will make me feel worse (I

> > have been using Cetaphil and it does get worse when I apply it). He

> > recommended Eucerin or Aquaphor which are water based.

> >

> > The question I have is: if I cannot continue to apply Androgel in my

> > body, what are my best alternatives to replace it? I apply Andro on

> > my sides and on my quads (legs); so I have 4 different places. The

> > only problem I have is I feel those places are also becoming a

> little

> > sensitive too.

> >

> > Thanks in advance!

> >

> > Flaco

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I don't buy anything from LifeExtension and don't endorse there products.

Mason is, well let me say it this way " a legend in his own mind " . This

link I gave was the first thing I ever read about high E2 and low T for that

matter. I find it to be a dam good read still today. I could flood you with

links on high E2. I have a scientific mind being an engineer and a master of

all traides but not one. So I do a lot of research before making a conclusion

about anything.

Thanks Phil

rndchemist <rndchemist@...> wrote:

Phil:

I just ran into this site that totally discredits LifeExtension. It

is called Young Again Products founded by Mason. Here is the

article:

http://www.youngagainproducts.com/article_detail.php?article_id=149

Flaco

> > I just developed an irritation on my shoulders. It gets worse with

> > Androgel. My shoulders area itch and are very sensitive to touch

> and

> > heat and moisture. When I wear clothes, it feels like I am wearing

> > shoulder pads with needles. Benadryl (caps) help me control the

> > itching.

> > I went to Urgent Care and they gave me methylpred and that helped.

> > The doctor in UC asked me to go and see my own doctor because he

> > suspected one of my meds was causing it.

> > I went to see my allergist because I thought it was an allergic

> > reaction (long story). When the doctor saw the site, he said it was

> > " folicular acne " and said Androgel causes it mainly on the

> shoulders.

> > He asked me if it gets worse with moisturizers and I said yes and he

> > was not surprised. He told me not to use Androgel on the shoulders

> > and gave me a prescription for Metrogel (I cannot decipher the first

> > letter in the hand written prescription), 0.75% to apply twice a

> day.

> > He told me that oil based moisturizers will make me feel worse (I

> > have been using Cetaphil and it does get worse when I apply it). He

> > recommended Eucerin or Aquaphor which are water based.

> >

> > The question I have is: if I cannot continue to apply Androgel in my

> > body, what are my best alternatives to replace it? I apply Andro on

> > my sides and on my quads (legs); so I have 4 different places. The

> > only problem I have is I feel those places are also becoming a

> little

> > sensitive too.

> >

> > Thanks in advance!

> >

> > Flaco

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Phil:

I did like the article and I have it in my folder regarding

Andropause. I went further into the LifeExtension sie and looked at

their different products and when I got to the minerals I noticed that

the majority of the minerals in their formulation are in the " oxide "

form. Being a chemist that has work for more than 10 years in the

Pharma industry, and also have read a lot about absorption of minerals

through the digestive system, you learn that Oxides and Carbonates are

not very soluble, therefore they go in and out your digestive tract

almost as a whole. Citrates, gluconates, acetates, nitrates, some

esters, chlorides and hydroxides forms are the easiest to be digested

by our system. That is when I decided to leave the site.

Thanks!

Flaco

> > > I just developed an irritation on my shoulders. It gets worse

with

> > > Androgel. My shoulders area itch and are very sensitive to

touch

> > and

> > > heat and moisture. When I wear clothes, it feels like I am

wearing

> > > shoulder pads with needles. Benadryl (caps) help me control the

> > > itching.

> > > I went to Urgent Care and they gave me methylpred and that

helped.

> > > The doctor in UC asked me to go and see my own doctor because he

> > > suspected one of my meds was causing it.

> > > I went to see my allergist because I thought it was an allergic

> > > reaction (long story). When the doctor saw the site, he said

it was

> > > " folicular acne " and said Androgel causes it mainly on the

> > shoulders.

> > > He asked me if it gets worse with moisturizers and I said yes

and he

> > > was not surprised. He told me not to use Androgel on the

shoulders

> > > and gave me a prescription for Metrogel (I cannot decipher the

first

> > > letter in the hand written prescription), 0.75% to apply twice a

> > day.

> > > He told me that oil based moisturizers will make me feel worse

(I

> > > have been using Cetaphil and it does get worse when I apply

it). He

> > > recommended Eucerin or Aquaphor which are water based.

> > >

> > > The question I have is: if I cannot continue to apply Androgel

in my

> > > body, what are my best alternatives to replace it? I apply

Andro on

> > > my sides and on my quads (legs); so I have 4 different places.

The

> > > only problem I have is I feel those places are also becoming a

> > little

> > > sensitive too.

> > >

> > > Thanks in advance!

> > >

> > > Flaco

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Flaco,

Thanks for your valuable info. I would not have known

that and have been buying supplemnent of these type

that are not easily digestible. From your experience

can you give me your opinion o Nitric Oxide tablets ?

I am currently using BSN Nitix.

Thanks in advance, Guy

--- rndchemist <rndchemist@...> wrote:

> Phil:

>

> I did like the article and I have it in my folder

> regarding

> Andropause. I went further into the LifeExtension

> sie and looked at

> their different products and when I got to the

> minerals I noticed that

> the majority of the minerals in their formulation

> are in the " oxide "

> form. Being a chemist that has work for more than

> 10 years in the

> Pharma industry, and also have read a lot about

> absorption of minerals

> through the digestive system, you learn that Oxides

> and Carbonates are

> not very soluble, therefore they go in and out your

> digestive tract

> almost as a whole. Citrates, gluconates, acetates,

> nitrates, some

> esters, chlorides and hydroxides forms are the

> easiest to be digested

> by our system. That is when I decided to leave the

> site.

>

> Thanks!

>

> Flaco

>

>

> > > > I just developed an irritation on my

> shoulders. It gets worse

> with

> > > > Androgel. My shoulders area itch and are very

> sensitive to

> touch

> > > and

> > > > heat and moisture. When I wear clothes, it

> feels like I am

> wearing

> > > > shoulder pads with needles. Benadryl (caps)

> help me control the

> > > > itching.

> > > > I went to Urgent Care and they gave me

> methylpred and that

> helped.

> > > > The doctor in UC asked me to go and see my own

> doctor because he

> > > > suspected one of my meds was causing it.

> > > > I went to see my allergist because I thought

> it was an allergic

>

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test'; " >

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Guy:

I really do not know much about them. I have never used them at all.

Does it work for you with no serious side effects?

I have read literature about it and its effects on ED (I believe

Viagra, Cialis and the rest work by increasing Nitric oxide levels in

the blood, which then dilates the blood vessels thus inducing the

erection).

Sea food does the same to some people (it does to me; the problem is I

do not like sea food too much)

I have also read that Arginine will have the same effect in high doses

(over 3 grams a day).

I tried Viagra three times and I did not get good results. The last

time I used it I got really sick to my stomach so I threw away the

rest of the pills I had left. I tried to give them away to a friend

of mine, whom I had given one before to try, and he refused them too

because it did not do a thing for him. I have yet tried Cialis. I am

concern about the side effects lingering for over a day.

There is a company that has a drug in clinical trials that it actually

estimulates the brain center that controls arousal. So far the trials

have proven to be effective for ED with no side effects. It is a

nasal spray. Still, it will be several years before it comes to

market, if it passes the trials.

One thing that helps me with my ED is " cock rings " . I have used the

plastic ones and they help me achieve erections when I have

" biological problems " and when I don't have these problems, then the

erection I get is just incredible. They have also helped me with my

" endurance " . I do not use them often because I do not know of their

side effects for prolonged use. Using them from time to time, so far

no problems.

Flaco.

> > > > > I just developed an irritation on my

> > shoulders. It gets worse

> > with

> > > > > Androgel. My shoulders area itch and are very

> > sensitive to

> > touch

> > > > and

> > > > > heat and moisture. When I wear clothes, it

> > feels like I am

> > wearing

> > > > > shoulder pads with needles. Benadryl (caps)

> > help me control the

> > > > > itching.

> > > > > I went to Urgent Care and they gave me

> > methylpred and that

> > helped.

> > > > > The doctor in UC asked me to go and see my own

> > doctor because he

> > > > > suspected one of my meds was causing it.

> > > > > I went to see my allergist because I thought

> > it was an allergic

> >

> === message truncated ===

>

>

>

>

> test'; " >

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

I am doing cialis 20 mgs. every 72 hrs. as per my Dr. the side effects where

there the first 2 pills then no more. Once you get going on this you will not

need to use a pump or ring. I was doing this for yrs. but could not reach an

orgasm because my E2 was so high. If my E2 goes up the Cialis does not work for

me. Try getting you E2 tested first and if your over E2 is high over 30 then

get it down first you may find like me you don't need Cialis I only take it

because it makes me hard as a rock and my wife likes this hell it was never that

hard when I was young. So I take it to make her happy.

Phil

rndchemist <rndchemist@...> wrote:

Guy:

I really do not know much about them. I have never used them at all.

Does it work for you with no serious side effects?

I have read literature about it and its effects on ED (I believe

Viagra, Cialis and the rest work by increasing Nitric oxide levels in

the blood, which then dilates the blood vessels thus inducing the

erection).

Sea food does the same to some people (it does to me; the problem is I

do not like sea food too much)

I have also read that Arginine will have the same effect in high doses

(over 3 grams a day).

I tried Viagra three times and I did not get good results. The last

time I used it I got really sick to my stomach so I threw away the

rest of the pills I had left. I tried to give them away to a friend

of mine, whom I had given one before to try, and he refused them too

because it did not do a thing for him. I have yet tried Cialis. I am

concern about the side effects lingering for over a day.

There is a company that has a drug in clinical trials that it actually

estimulates the brain center that controls arousal. So far the trials

have proven to be effective for ED with no side effects. It is a

nasal spray. Still, it will be several years before it comes to

market, if it passes the trials.

One thing that helps me with my ED is " cock rings " . I have used the

plastic ones and they help me achieve erections when I have

" biological problems " and when I don't have these problems, then the

erection I get is just incredible. They have also helped me with my

" endurance " . I do not use them often because I do not know of their

side effects for prolonged use. Using them from time to time, so far

no problems.

Flaco.

> > > > > I just developed an irritation on my

> > shoulders. It gets worse

> > with

> > > > > Androgel. My shoulders area itch and are very

> > sensitive to

> > touch

> > > > and

> > > > > heat and moisture. When I wear clothes, it

> > feels like I am

> > wearing

> > > > > shoulder pads with needles. Benadryl (caps)

> > help me control the

> > > > > itching.

> > > > > I went to Urgent Care and they gave me

> > methylpred and that

> > helped.

> > > > > The doctor in UC asked me to go and see my own

> > doctor because he

> > > > > suspected one of my meds was causing it.

> > > > > I went to see my allergist because I thought

> > it was an allergic

> >

> === message truncated ===

>

>

>

>

> test'; " >

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Phil,

I am new to this whole affair. I spent 35 years neutering animals and never

considered bringing them back to function. Please tell me what E-2 is (possibly

serum estradiol?) Is there a down side to receiving Clomid? What is it usually

prescribed for?

Ron Hines DVM PhD

http://www.2ndchance.info/consultation.htm

Re: Androgel: site irritation

I am doing cialis 20 mgs. every 72 hrs. as per my Dr. the side effects where

there the first 2 pills then no more. Once you get going on this you will not

need to use a pump or ring. I was doing this for yrs. but could not reach an

orgasm because my E2 was so high. If my E2 goes up the Cialis does not work for

me. Try getting you E2 tested first and if your over E2 is high over 30 then

get it down first you may find like me you don't need Cialis I only take it

because it makes me hard as a rock and my wife likes this hell it was never that

hard when I was young. So I take it to make her happy.

Phil

rndchemist <rndchemist@...> wrote:

Guy:

I really do not know much about them. I have never used them at all.

Does it work for you with no serious side effects?

I have read literature about it and its effects on ED (I believe

Viagra, Cialis and the rest work by increasing Nitric oxide levels in

the blood, which then dilates the blood vessels thus inducing the

erection).

Sea food does the same to some people (it does to me; the problem is I

do not like sea food too much)

I have also read that Arginine will have the same effect in high doses

(over 3 grams a day).

I tried Viagra three times and I did not get good results. The last

time I used it I got really sick to my stomach so I threw away the

rest of the pills I had left. I tried to give them away to a friend

of mine, whom I had given one before to try, and he refused them too

because it did not do a thing for him. I have yet tried Cialis. I am

concern about the side effects lingering for over a day.

There is a company that has a drug in clinical trials that it actually

estimulates the brain center that controls arousal. So far the trials

have proven to be effective for ED with no side effects. It is a

nasal spray. Still, it will be several years before it comes to

market, if it passes the trials.

One thing that helps me with my ED is " cock rings " . I have used the

plastic ones and they help me achieve erections when I have

" biological problems " and when I don't have these problems, then the

erection I get is just incredible. They have also helped me with my

" endurance " . I do not use them often because I do not know of their

side effects for prolonged use. Using them from time to time, so far

no problems.

Flaco.

> > > > > I just developed an irritation on my

> > shoulders. It gets worse

> > with

> > > > > Androgel. My shoulders area itch and are very

> > sensitive to

> > touch

> > > > and

> > > > > heat and moisture. When I wear clothes, it

> > feels like I am

> > wearing

> > > > > shoulder pads with needles. Benadryl (caps)

> > help me control the

> > > > > itching.

> > > > > I went to Urgent Care and they gave me

> > methylpred and that

> > helped.

> > > > > The doctor in UC asked me to go and see my own

> > doctor because he

> > > > > suspected one of my meds was causing it.

> > > > > I went to see my allergist because I thought

> > it was an allergic

> >

> === message truncated ===

>

>

>

>

> test'; " >

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Ron Clomid is not a good form of T replacement it has some bad side effects. It

is used as a test. Read this if you have time.

http://www.aace.com/clin/guidelines/hypogonadism.pdf

I feel you need to get retested. Try to get this done. It is from Dr. 's

protocol on testing and treatment of Low T. You can read it at message #14939.

Phil

INITIAL LABWORK

Following a good Medical History, which laboratory assays should be

run as part of your initial hypogonadism workup? Following is my

list, but certainly other specialists in this area run expanded or

attenuated panels, per their experience and expertise. Of note,

there are several other tests which should be included to complete

the true comprehensive Anti-Aging Medicine workup (i.e.

homocysteine, fasting insulin, comprehensive thyroid study, etc.),

as this chapter is concerned solely with administering TRT. And as

always, the panel is tailored to the individual patient. Here they

are:

• Total Testosterone

• Bioavailable Testosterone (AKA " Free and Loosely Bound " )

• Free Testosterone (if Bioavailable T is unavailable)

• DHT

• Estradiol (specify the Extraction Method, or " sensitive " assay for

males)

• LH

• FSH

• Prolactin

• Cortisol

• Thyroid Panel

• CBC

• Comprehensive Metabolic Panel

• Lipid Profile

• PSA (if over 40)

• IGF-1 (if HGH therapy is being considered)

FOLLOW-UP LABS

Two weeks after initiating a transdermal, or five weeks after the

first IM injection:

• Total Testosterone

• Bioavailable Testosterone

• Free Testosterone (if Bioavailable T is still unavailable)

• Estradiol (specify the Extraction Method, or " sensitive " assay for

males)

• DHT (especially if patient is using a transdermal delivery system)

• FSH (3rd Generation—ultrasensitive assay this time)

• CBC

• Comprehensive Metabolic Panel

• Lipid Profile

• PSA (for more senior patients)

• IGF-1 (if GH Therapy has been initiated already)

Ron Hines <rhines@...> wrote:Phil,

I am new to this whole affair. I spent 35 years neutering animals and never

considered bringing them back to function. Please tell me what E-2 is (possibly

serum estradiol?) Is there a down side to receiving Clomid? What is it usually

prescribed for?

Ron Hines DVM PhD

http://www.2ndchance.info/consultation.htm

Re: Androgel: site irritation

I am doing cialis 20 mgs. every 72 hrs. as per my Dr. the side effects where

there the first 2 pills then no more. Once you get going on this you will not

need to use a pump or ring. I was doing this for yrs. but could not reach an

orgasm because my E2 was so high. If my E2 goes up the Cialis does not work for

me. Try getting you E2 tested first and if your over E2 is high over 30 then

get it down first you may find like me you don't need Cialis I only take it

because it makes me hard as a rock and my wife likes this hell it was never that

hard when I was young. So I take it to make her happy.

Phil

rndchemist <rndchemist@...> wrote:

Guy:

I really do not know much about them. I have never used them at all.

Does it work for you with no serious side effects?

I have read literature about it and its effects on ED (I believe

Viagra, Cialis and the rest work by increasing Nitric oxide levels in

the blood, which then dilates the blood vessels thus inducing the

erection).

Sea food does the same to some people (it does to me; the problem is I

do not like sea food too much)

I have also read that Arginine will have the same effect in high doses

(over 3 grams a day).

I tried Viagra three times and I did not get good results. The last

time I used it I got really sick to my stomach so I threw away the

rest of the pills I had left. I tried to give them away to a friend

of mine, whom I had given one before to try, and he refused them too

because it did not do a thing for him. I have yet tried Cialis. I am

concern about the side effects lingering for over a day.

There is a company that has a drug in clinical trials that it actually

estimulates the brain center that controls arousal. So far the trials

have proven to be effective for ED with no side effects. It is a

nasal spray. Still, it will be several years before it comes to

market, if it passes the trials.

One thing that helps me with my ED is " cock rings " . I have used the

plastic ones and they help me achieve erections when I have

" biological problems " and when I don't have these problems, then the

erection I get is just incredible. They have also helped me with my

" endurance " . I do not use them often because I do not know of their

side effects for prolonged use. Using them from time to time, so far

no problems.

Flaco.

> > > > > I just developed an irritation on my

> > shoulders. It gets worse

> > with

> > > > > Androgel. My shoulders area itch and are very

> > sensitive to

> > touch

> > > > and

> > > > > heat and moisture. When I wear clothes, it

> > feels like I am

> > wearing

> > > > > shoulder pads with needles. Benadryl (caps)

> > help me control the

> > > > > itching.

> > > > > I went to Urgent Care and they gave me

> > methylpred and that

> > helped.

> > > > > The doctor in UC asked me to go and see my own

> > doctor because he

> > > > > suspected one of my meds was causing it.

> > > > > I went to see my allergist because I thought

> > it was an allergic

> >

> === message truncated ===

>

>

>

>

> test'; " >

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Flaco,

I have used Nitric Oxide products before and they seem

to do a decent job with no side effects. I am

currently stacking BSN Nitrix and NO Explode. They

give me that extra strength in the gym and I have seen

some great results when using them. I have tried

various NO products over the years, so good and some

bad. I also used arginine, yohimbe, maca and and at

one point was going to try longjack(tongat ali). They

all help in the erection process just as good if not

better than Viagra or Cialis. In fact I tried Viagra

and I didn't like it at all. It made my erection seem

like it was numb with no feeling. I have used Cialis

sporadically and in the beginning it worked great but

with only a little sensation. Then after a period of

time (6 months)it seemed like my body chemistry became

adapted to it and effected me like Viagra. I get

better results from supplements. Any idea why that

would be the case? To me, just getting an erection

and not feeling any type of penile sensation is

frustrating. I am seeing my docter this Wednesday and

asking for a prescription of Dostinex. It helps where

Viagra and Cialis fall short. Have you any experience

or info on this product ?

Guy

--- rndchemist <rndchemist@...> wrote:

> Guy:

>

> I really do not know much about them. I have never

> used them at all.

> Does it work for you with no serious side effects?

>

> I have read literature about it and its effects on

> ED (I believe

> Viagra, Cialis and the rest work by increasing

> Nitric oxide levels in

> the blood, which then dilates the blood vessels thus

> inducing the

> erection).

>

> Sea food does the same to some people (it does to

> me; the problem is I

> do not like sea food too much)

>

> I have also read that Arginine will have the same

> effect in high doses

> (over 3 grams a day).

>

> I tried Viagra three times and I did not get good

> results. The last

> time I used it I got really sick to my stomach so I

> threw away the

> rest of the pills I had left. I tried to give them

> away to a friend

> of mine, whom I had given one before to try, and he

> refused them too

> because it did not do a thing for him. I have yet

> tried Cialis. I am

> concern about the side effects lingering for over a

> day.

>

> There is a company that has a drug in clinical

> trials that it actually

> estimulates the brain center that controls arousal.

> So far the trials

> have proven to be effective for ED with no side

> effects. It is a

> nasal spray. Still, it will be several years before

> it comes to

> market, if it passes the trials.

>

> One thing that helps me with my ED is " cock rings " .

> I have used the

> plastic ones and they help me achieve erections when

> I have

> " biological problems " and when I don't have these

> problems, then the

> erection I get is just incredible. They have also

> helped me with my

> " endurance " . I do not use them often because I do

> not know of their

> side effects for prolonged use. Using them from

> time to time, so far

> no problems.

>

> Flaco.

>

>

> > > > > OK this is how it happens to me. For yrs.

> like

> > > 15 I would break

> > > out

> > > > like this and it was always do to heat. If I

> took

> > > a hot shower I

> > > > would get big red spots all over my body. If

> I

> > > eat shrimp I got

> > > hives

> > > > never had this problem before. I have always

> had

> > > a spa if I went in

> > > > it when this was going on it got worse. I

> read

> > > about high E2

> > > > Estradiol here at this link.

> > > > >

> > >

> >

>

http://www.lef.org/protocols/prtcls-txt/t-prtcl-130.html

> > > > > So I got some Zinc with Copper and took 100

> mgs.

> > > a day for a month

> > > > the 50 mgs. the dam rash went away. But this

> did

> > > not last it came

> > > > back after my body leveled off on the zinc.

> So I

> > > got my Dr. to

> > > test

> > > > my E2 it was dam high. I took Arimidex .5

> mgs.

> > > everyday for a month

> > > > and the rash went away and only comes back

> when my

> > > E2 goes up. My

>

=== message truncated ===

test'; " >

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[Guest guest]

Guy:

I have no experience with any of those products. I do not like to

take meds/suplements a lot. I have always believed you do not get

everything for nothing. There is always a payback (side effect).

I take 500 mg of Arginine, which is not enough to " get me going " ,

because I do not want to chance it by taking 6 of those tablets at once.

What you described with Viagra is more or less what I experienced,

with the addition that my erections were not as hard as I have been

able to achieve naturally (a good porno movie and a hot wife!!).

Flaco.

> > > > > > OK this is how it happens to me. For yrs.

> > like

> > > > 15 I would break

> > > > out

> > > > > like this and it was always do to heat. If I

> > took

> > > > a hot shower I

> > > > > would get big red spots all over my body. If

> > I

> > > > eat shrimp I got

> > > > hives

> > > > > never had this problem before. I have always

> > had

> > > > a spa if I went in

> > > > > it when this was going on it got worse. I

> > read

> > > > about high E2

> > > > > Estradiol here at this link.

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> http://www.lef.org/protocols/prtcls-txt/t-prtcl-130.html

> > > > > > So I got some Zinc with Copper and took 100

> > mgs.

> > > > a day for a month

> > > > > the 50 mgs. the dam rash went away. But this

> > did

> > > > not last it came

> > > > > back after my body leveled off on the zinc.

> > So I

> > > > got my Dr. to

> > > > test

> > > > > my E2 it was dam high. I took Arimidex .5

> > mgs.

> > > > everyday for a month

> > > > > and the rash went away and only comes back

> > when my

> > > > E2 goes up. My

> >

> === message truncated ===

>

>

>

>

> test'; " >

>

>

>

> ____________________________________________________

> Start your day with - make it your home page

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