Re: Perplexing test results-Everything is high

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> Hi I am on adrogel and 1/2mg of arimidex.I got the following test

> results back:

> Total testosterone 1026 ng/dl range 262-1000

> Free testosterone 387pg/ml range 34-194

> Estrodadiol 59pg/ml range 0-52

>

> These are all high and my doctor doesnt doesnt know what to do

> 1) decrease androgel dose OR

> 2) increase arimidex and/or zinc

> I still dont have the energy I use to

> PLEASE HELP : ANYONE WITH SIMILAR RESULTS AND/OR SUGESTIONS ON WHAT

> TO DO???

> Sicerely

> Carmine

I just got back similar results: 1141 total T; 210 free T; 59

estradiol. I take Androgel (10 gm as recommended here vs. 5 gm by

endo.)but no anti-aromase. See the endo and urologist next week.

Ridge

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Your T is way too high. I can not see doing anything other than reducing

your Androgel. Its the free T results that you have to look at and it is

wayyyy too high even though your total T is just at the top of the range.

Try to get into the upper third of the free T range. That is good enough. It

is regrettable that you still do not have the energy that you are missing

but you have gotten all of the results that you are going to get from T and

should move on to looking at other things such as thryroid. Your estrogen

is high but when you lower your T level that 1/2mg of armidex will probably

be sufficient to lower it, or you might not even need that because your T is

so ungodly high that you really dont know what your E will be until you

lower it. As you probably know, the estrogen comes from testosterone

converting over to estrogen.

Good luck.

Winter

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>

>Subject: Perplexing test results-Everything is high

>Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 00:37:43 -0000

>

>Hi I am on adrogel and 1/2mg of arimidex.I got the following test

>results back:

>Total testosterone 1026 ng/dl range 262-1000

>Free testosterone 387pg/ml range 34-194

>Estrodadiol 59pg/ml range 0-52

>

>These are all high and my doctor doesnt doesnt know what to do

>1) decrease androgel dose OR

>2) increase arimidex and/or zinc

>I still dont have the energy I use to

>PLEASE HELP : ANYONE WITH SIMILAR RESULTS AND/OR SUGESTIONS ON WHAT

>TO DO???

>Sicerely

>Carmine

>

>

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Carmine,

A couple thoughts... The T " might " be too high for you. Your

natural levels may be lower. How much androgel do you use per day?

I would suspect you might be a little high on the E2. Arimidex does

not work well for me. You may need to adjust the dose up. But in

all honesty, If those were my numbers I would be pretty happy,

especially with that Free T, except for the fact you do not feel

well. I personally like to keep my E2 around 20 pg/ml. If your not

getting at least 45 mg of zinc, you might consider raising it. I

also like to take large amounts of vitamin C which is also a natural

aromatase inhibitor.

Are these your first set of tests or do you have anything else to

base off of?

y

> Hi I am on adrogel and 1/2mg of arimidex.I got the following test

> results back:

> Total testosterone 1026 ng/dl range 262-1000

> Free testosterone 387pg/ml range 34-194

> Estrodadiol 59pg/ml range 0-52

>

> These are all high and my doctor doesnt doesnt know what to do

> 1) decrease androgel dose OR

> 2) increase arimidex and/or zinc

> I still dont have the energy I use to

> PLEASE HELP : ANYONE WITH SIMILAR RESULTS AND/OR SUGESTIONS ON

WHAT

> TO DO???

> Sicerely

> Carmine

[Guest guest]

" Ungodly High " is a very big overstatement. Total T just above 1000

is normal by a lot of measurements. It is perfectly healthy.

The free t is high.

Winter, please post a link to a study that shows that T slightly

above normal is bad. I would be interested in seeing what can be bad

about it.

Carmine: Note, you should retest, making sure not to put the

androgel on hand or arm that they are drawing blood from, and don't

put the androgel on for at least 12 hours prior.

Lowering your e level might help you feel better. Whether or not you

should change your arimidex dose depends on how long you have been

taking it. If not long, then stick with the 1/2 mg DAILY and retest

in a couple of weeks. If long, then you might want to consider

upping the dose.

However, if you feel constantly tired, you never know, it could be

that the arimidex has something to do with that. Even though your e

is slighly high, consider going off the arimidex for a few days and

see if you feel better or worse. You can always go right back on it

after and reverse any higher estradiol that is caused in that short

time period. I find I get very tired and lethargic if I take

Arimidex every day.

Cheers,

Armyguy

> Your T is way too high. I can not see doing anything other than

reducing

> your Androgel. Its the free T results that you have to look at

and it is

> wayyyy too high even though your total T is just at the top of the

range.

> Try to get into the upper third of the free T range. That is good

enough. It

> is regrettable that you still do not have the energy that you are

missing

> but you have gotten all of the results that you are going to get

from T and

> should move on to looking at other things such as thryroid.

Your estrogen

> is high but when you lower your T level that 1/2mg of armidex will

probably

> be sufficient to lower it, or you might not even need that because

your T is

> so ungodly high that you really dont know what your E will be

until you

> lower it. As you probably know, the estrogen comes from

testosterone

> converting over to estrogen.

>

> Good luck.

>

> Winter

>

>

> >From: sox57aol <no_reply >

> >Reply-

> >

> >Subject: Perplexing test results-Everything is high

> >Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 00:37:43 -0000

> >

> >Hi I am on adrogel and 1/2mg of arimidex.I got the following test

> >results back:

> >Total testosterone 1026 ng/dl range 262-1000

> >Free testosterone 387pg/ml range 34-194

> >Estrodadiol 59pg/ml range 0-52

> >

> >These are all high and my doctor doesnt doesnt know what to do

> >1) decrease androgel dose OR

> >2) increase arimidex and/or zinc

> >I still dont have the energy I use to

> >PLEASE HELP : ANYONE WITH SIMILAR RESULTS AND/OR SUGESTIONS ON

WHAT

> >TO DO???

> >Sicerely

> >Carmine

> >

> >

>

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>>

> " Ungodly High " is a very big overstatement. Total T just above 1000

>is normal by a lot of measurements. It is perfectly healthy.

>

Hellooo. His free T is twice the uppermost limit of the range. Therefore

his T is ungodly high. If one wants to focus on just total T and does not

belong to the school of thought that it is really the free T that counts

then I suppose that is one way to go. A free T level that is TWICE the

highest level in the reference range is not a replacement level. Maybe the

patient will feel better at that level or maybe at five times that level. I

dont know but it would be experimentation at that point and not replacement.

I am a big believer in playing the high end of the range but if I were a

physician I would not have any medical basis for taking a persons free T

level up that high paticularly when the patient has stated that he still

doesnt have the energy back that he was seeking so the benefits dont appear

to be there either.

Winter

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[Guest guest]

From what I understand, Free T is generally not used as the end all

and be all measurement because different labs have different ways of

testing it and a lot of the methods that some labs use are not

necessarilly correct. Total T is an easier measurement to take and

compare, and seems to be the most important one that even the big

docs often use.

Armyguy

>

>

>

> >>

> > " Ungodly High " is a very big overstatement. Total T just above

1000

> >is normal by a lot of measurements. It is perfectly healthy.

> >

>

> Hellooo. His free T is twice the uppermost limit of the range.

Therefore

> his T is ungodly high. If one wants to focus on just total T and

does not

> belong to the school of thought that it is really the free T that

counts

> then I suppose that is one way to go. A free T level that is

TWICE the

> highest level in the reference range is not a replacement level.

Maybe the

> patient will feel better at that level or maybe at five times that

level. I

> dont know but it would be experimentation at that point and not

replacement.

> I am a big believer in playing the high end of the range but if I

were a

> physician I would not have any medical basis for taking a persons

free T

> level up that high paticularly when the patient has stated that he

still

> doesnt have the energy back that he was seeking so the benefits

dont appear

> to be there either.

>

> Winter

>

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