Guest guest Posted October 16, 2003 Report Share Posted October 16, 2003 You Said: I hear alot of talk about libido or the lack there of. What is a normal libido for a 40 year old? To have good Libodo do you have to think about sex or walk around with a boner constantly? ////// Libido is your desire to have sex --- which is your sex drive which goes from 1 to 10 - e.g an Evangelical Minister usually has around a 1 and the Kennedy (boys) have a round 10. A possible idea My sex drive started to diminish in my 40's also -- so many reasons, however, my Pysch said it could my animal side (I believe we are created by God and that part of us is like animals) and because of my emotional condition my guardian since of protection just weakened out (Thalmus - Pituitary Gland - Endocrine - I will be going in for testing). amor vincit omnia You have not lived a perfect day until you have done something for someone who will never be able to repay you. ------------------------------------------------------------- Sign up for ICQmail at http://www.icq.com/icqmail/signup.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2003 Report Share Posted October 16, 2003 a " normal " libido covers a wide gamut - some guys on the high end of normal probably have sex a bunch of times a week, while guys on the low end probably have sex once or twice a month. Depends on age, hormone levels, accessibility, etc. I seem to recall a study that showed married couples having sex 2 point something times a week, but there was also the article in Time? Newsweek? recently that showed how married couples who are busy and stressed out w/kids, job, etc. hardly ever have sex. No, you don't have to walk around with a boner thinking about sex in order to qualify as having a " normal " libido. Lots of teenage boys do that, so I suppose it's normal for them - but by the time your hormones have settled down I'd think that wanting to have sex a couple times a week would be normal. Whoever said that most men (not teenagers) masturebate 6.9 times a week was way off the mark. That's not normal - that's more like hypersexual if you ask me. Jim > > I hear alot of talk about libido or the lack there > > of. What is a > > normal libido for a 40 year old? To have good Libodo > > do you have to > > think about sex or walk around with a boner > > constantly? ..com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2003 Report Share Posted October 18, 2003 In a message dated 10/17/2003 10:30:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, writes: Libido is your desire to have sex --- which is your sex drive which goes from 1 to 10 - e.g an Evangelical Minister usually has around a 1 and the Kennedy (boys) have a round 10. You, obviously, don't know the Evangelical ministers I have known! It's not a matter of libido, it's a matter of self-control!! D Dean Carroll The supreme happiness of life is the conviction that we are loved.---Victor Hugo, Les Miserables Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2003 Report Share Posted October 18, 2003 On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 08:32:47 EDT, dherbert53@... wrote: I should have made that clearer - I forgot about Jimmy Swaggart LOL I remembered that was a study only conducted in Minnesota by the Univ of MN -- those figures I stated were the averages. In a message dated 10/17/2003 10:30:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, writes: Libido is your desire to have sex --- which is your sex drive which goes from 1 to 10 - e.g an Evangelical Minister usually has around a 1 and the Kennedy (boys) have a round 10. You, obviously, don't know the Evangelical ministers I have known! It's not a matter of libido, it's a matter of self-control!! D Dean Carroll The supreme happiness of life is the conviction that we are loved.---Victor Hugo, Les Miserables Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2004 Report Share Posted March 18, 2004 Does that mean you don't want to have sex more than twice a week or can't get an erection more than twice a week? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2004 Report Share Posted March 18, 2004 On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 21:21:56 -0000, you wrote: >My doc has me on Test Cyp shots, 80ml a week, plus HCG 250 the day >before and day after the test shots. He's also putting me on an >estrogen blocker. > >I've been on the shots for about 6 months. Much has changed for the >better - my attitude, lack of depression, memory, etc - but my libido >hasn't changed much. I can usually manage about twice a week, but I >have a new GF and I know she'd rather the frequency be about twice >that. > >Any suggestions? Maca? Arginine? Yohimbe? Sounds like you've noted started the estrogen blocker yet. I'd wait for that. From what I've read that'll probably be the ticket. >Snave > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2004 Report Share Posted March 18, 2004 I have heard that bromocriptine or Dostinex may help with Libido. I don't have it in front of me, but I think they are dopamine agonists, i.e increase dopamine (I think this is what Deprenyl also does...y is raving about Dep). If someone can get access to free articles, there was a recent study: Wittstock M, Benecke R, Dressler D. Cabergoline can increase penile erections and libido. Neurology. 2002 Mar 12;58(5):831. No abstract available. PMID: 11889258 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] There is no abstract available.... > > My doc has me on Test Cyp shots, 80ml a week, plus HCG 250 the day > > before and day after the test shots. He's also putting me on an > > estrogen blocker. > > > > I've been on the shots for about 6 months. Much has changed for the > > better - my attitude, lack of depression, memory, etc - but my > libido > > hasn't changed much. I can usually manage about twice a week, but I > > have a new GF and I know she'd rather the frequency be about twice > > that. > > > > Any suggestions? Maca? Arginine? Yohimbe? > > > > Thanks > > > > Snave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2005 Report Share Posted July 3, 2005 Can anyone offer any sensible suggestions: I have hypogonadism from haemochromotosis. I am taking testogel and it is having a definite effect. Problem is that my wife has gone off sex big time, as our physical relationship has been deteriorating for a few years, and I should have taken steps sooner. Has anyone any suggestions as to how I can re-kindle her interest in sex again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2005 Report Share Posted July 4, 2005 is right about openly discussing your situation with each other as much as you can. After that, counseling. It sounds to me like your wife's hormones are out of whack and that she needs to check her bloodwork to find out why she has no libido. She might want to check out this group: Female_Sexual_Dysfunction/ Just my 2-cents worth. Best Regards, Gene ----------------------- Life is too short to be a cheapskate! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2005 Report Share Posted July 5, 2005 Thanks . I will try to get her to agree to that. > Hi > > Sorry to hear of your difficulties as you try andd recover from your > ill-health. > > I feel you and your wife need the help and advice of sex-therapist who has > experience of endocrine illnesses. I certainly feel (and this is from > personal experience as most from this group) that when our relationships are > affected by health it needs more than just the couple to try and get back on > track especially when it is affecting physical sex. Some hospitals will be > able to provide this - Where are you based? Here in the UK a tv series went > out where 2 sex therapists treated several couples with sexual problems. It > was amazing how their perceptions and interventions overcame seemingly > impossible problems. > > Try and feel their is real hope and discuss with your wife what you both > feel and how you feel you might get help and that you are both prepared to > seek help and take advice. Cards on the table time - openness etc. > > Tale care > > > Libido > > > >Can anyone offer any sensible suggestions: > >I have hypogonadism from haemochromotosis. I am taking testogel and it > >is having a definite effect. Problem is that my wife has gone off sex > >big time, as our physical relationship has been deteriorating for a few > >years, and I should have taken steps sooner. > > > >Has anyone any suggestions as to how I can re-kindle her interest in > >sex again? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2005 Report Share Posted July 5, 2005 I am taking testogel and it is having a definite effect. Problem is that my wife has gone off sex big time, as our physical relationship has been deteriorating for a few years.. Has anyone any suggestions as to how I can re-kindle her interest in sex again?--- If she is anywhere near or past 40, her crashed libido is likely due to menopausal depletion of ALL 3 hormones, estrogen, progesterone, and androgens. I capitalize ALL because testosterone for women in available off-label only, and the gyn community's current worthless HRT protocol of estrogen and (far too much) progesterone in oral pill form leaves out testosterone entirely and does not address libido issues which are mostly linked to T levels in both sexes. (Replacement hormones also are absolutely worthless, and dangerous, when taken orally. They should be administered as a topical cream or intravaginally. The oral route of far too much progesterone in the WHI study is why the women subjects showed a very slight elevation in risk of breast cancer) I have a web site with information about this at: Page 1 Inadequacies of Current Methods of HRT http://infowoman.freewebpage.org/index.htm Page 2 The Current GYN Protocol For HRT - How To Opt For Safer, More Effective Treatment http://infowoman.freewebpage.org/HRT.html Page 3 Medical References http://infowoman.freewebpage.org/HRTreferences.html Site down? Visit mirror site at: http://infowomanhrt.tripod.com/index.html If she feels as yucky as I did for nearly ten yrs on standard HRT (or without any hormone replacement therapy) it is not surprising that she has no interest in sex. Additionally she is likely to be suffering the onset of diminishing bone density, encroaching risk of heart disease, and all the other debilitating health hazards that you guys on the forum are only too familiar with. We women need only a miniscule amount of testosterone by comparison to our male counterparts, but the lack of this vital hormone is just as damaging to us as to any of you. I speak from experience. Yours is an opposite but parallel situation to our own. I spent years researching my own hormonal deficiencies with precious little help from doctors, finally restored my crashed libido only to confront my husband's ED that had been progressing unchecked during this time. Fortunately he was open to and enthused about trying to fix his own problems, and a year later our sex life is back to normal. So there is no reason you and she cannot also rekindle the flame. If she is a younger woman, then I guess the best thing you can do is re-open the lines of communication. Best of luck and hope some of this info will help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2005 Report Share Posted July 7, 2005 thankyou . Very helpfull I am taking testogel and it is having a definite effect. > Problem is that my wife has gone off sex big time, as our physical > relationship has been deteriorating for a few years.. Has anyone any > suggestions as to how I can re-kindle her interest in sex again?--- > > If she is anywhere near or past 40, her crashed libido is likely due > to menopausal depletion of ALL 3 hormones, estrogen, progesterone, > and androgens. I capitalize ALL because testosterone for women in > available off-label only, and the gyn community's current worthless > HRT protocol of estrogen and (far too much) progesterone in oral pill > form leaves out testosterone entirely and does not address libido > issues which are mostly linked to T levels in both sexes. > (Replacement hormones also are absolutely worthless, and dangerous, > when taken orally. They should be administered as a topical cream or > intravaginally. The oral route of far too much progesterone in the > WHI study is why the women subjects showed a very slight elevation in > risk of breast cancer) > > I have a web site with information about this at: > Page 1 Inadequacies of Current Methods of HRT > http://infowoman.freewebpage.org/index.htm > Page 2 The Current GYN Protocol For HRT - > How To Opt For Safer, More Effective Treatment > http://infowoman.freewebpage.org/HRT.html > Page 3 Medical References > http://infowoman.freewebpage.org/HRTreferences.html > Site down? Visit mirror site at: > http://infowomanhrt.tripod.com/index.html > > If she feels as yucky as I did for nearly ten yrs on standard HRT (or > without any hormone replacement therapy) it is not surprising that > she has no interest in sex. Additionally she is likely to be > suffering the onset of diminishing bone density, encroaching risk of > heart disease, and all the other debilitating health hazards that you > guys on the forum are only too familiar with. We women need only a > miniscule amount of testosterone by comparison to our male > counterparts, but the lack of this vital hormone is just as damaging > to us as to any of you. I speak from experience. > > Yours is an opposite but parallel situation to our own. I spent > years researching my own hormonal deficiencies with precious little > help from doctors, finally restored my crashed libido only to > confront my husband's ED that had been progressing unchecked during > this time. Fortunately he was open to and enthused about trying to > fix his own problems, and a year later our sex life is back to > normal. So there is no reason you and she cannot also rekindle the > flame. > > If she is a younger woman, then I guess the best thing you can do is > re-open the lines of communication. Best of luck and hope some of > this info will help. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 Eugene, one thing startled me in your post - you are taking one quarter of an arimidex three times a week? Wow, everything I have read, and have been told by various docs is that is WAY to much! Arimidex is very powerful estrogen blocker, and I think you are killing your libido by suppressing the estrogen conversion. Your blood level of 17 is in the lower part of the normal range, strong evidence of the effect of too much arimidex. If you read posts here, you will see that even a quarter of one little pill a week, seven days, is considered sufficient. Again, you are taking too much arimidex, in my opinion. norton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 This is true but some need more Arimidex I do 1mg every other day and the days in between I do .5 mgs. He should stop and see if his morning wood starts up again the go back on .25 but try doing it every 5 to 7 days. nort828 <nort828@...> wrote: Eugene, one thing startled me in your post - you are taking one quarter of an arimidex three times a week? Wow, everything I have read, and have been told by various docs is that is WAY to much! Arimidex is very powerful estrogen blocker, and I think you are killing your libido by suppressing the estrogen conversion. Your blood level of 17 is in the lower part of the normal range, strong evidence of the effect of too much arimidex. If you read posts here, you will see that even a quarter of one little pill a week, seven days, is considered sufficient. Again, you are taking too much arimidex, in my opinion. norton Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see. " Phil --------------------------------- It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Toolbar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 Libido comes and goes for everyone. If you feel great for some period of time then lose ineterst its realy a normal process I think. Also the more you do it the more you can keep it up... May I dare say! :-) eugenekeddy <eugenekeddy@...> wrote: I need some help with my libido. Brief history: - 39-year-old male, 175 pounds. - Primary hypogonadism due to one undescended testicle. T levels were around 300 for most of my adult life. - Began injecting T cyp summer 2006. 32 mg on Mondays and 44 mg on Thursdays, IM into the thigh. - Taking 1/4 mg Arimidex on Mondays, Thursdays, and Saturdays. - Injecting 200 IU HCG on Wednesdays and Sundays. - Hypothyroid with various antibodies. I have this under control and nearly optimized using Armour thyroid. - Adrenal fatigue. I am treating this successfully with 27.5 mg of hydrocortisone tablets per day. - I take 50 mg of DHEA per day. - I eat 1-2 teaspoons of Maca per day, but I am not consistent about it. Labs: - Total T is consistently in the range of 800-950 - Free T is usually just above the normal range - E2 17 (ref 0-53 pg/mL). This is not the sensitive test. - TSH 0.056 (ref 0.350 - 5.500 uIU/mL) - Free T3 4.3 (ref 2.3 - 4.2 pg/mL) - Free T4 1.15 (ref 0.61 - 1.76 ng/dL) - I have never had my SHBG measured. At various times in the past year, I have had a great libido, so I know what it feels like. My main problem right now is interest - it's like I just ate a huge buffet and my wife is offering me a tender, delicious steak, but I'm just not very hungry. I just don't think about sex very much. And incidentally, even though I've had these great T levels for 9 months, I notice absolutely no changes to my muscle and fat composition, which seems odd to me. Is it true that things like cialis and viagra only help with performance, not with desire? I would appreciate any help that you guys could offer. Thanks, Eugene --------------------------------- TV dinner still cooling? Check out " Tonight's Picks " on TV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 Any other thoughts for libido other than trying different doses of Arimidex? Thanks, Eugene > > I need some help with my libido. > > Brief history: > - 39-year-old male, 175 pounds. > - Primary hypogonadism due to one undescended testicle. T levels were > around 300 for most of my adult life. > - Began injecting T cyp summer 2006. 32 mg on Mondays and 44 mg on > Thursdays, IM into the thigh. > - Taking 1/4 mg Arimidex on Mondays, Thursdays, and Saturdays. > - Injecting 200 IU HCG on Wednesdays and Sundays. > - Hypothyroid with various antibodies. I have this under control and > nearly optimized using Armour thyroid. > - Adrenal fatigue. I am treating this successfully with 27.5 mg of > hydrocortisone tablets per day. > - I take 50 mg of DHEA per day. > - I eat 1-2 teaspoons of Maca per day, but I am not consistent about it. > > Labs: > - Total T is consistently in the range of 800-950 > - Free T is usually just above the normal range > - E2 17 (ref 0-53 pg/mL). This is not the sensitive test. > - TSH 0.056 (ref 0.350 - 5.500 uIU/mL) > - Free T3 4.3 (ref 2.3 - 4.2 pg/mL) > - Free T4 1.15 (ref 0.61 - 1.76 ng/dL) > - I have never had my SHBG measured. > > At various times in the past year, I have had a great libido, so I > know what it feels like. My main problem right now is interest - it's > like I just ate a huge buffet and my wife is offering me a tender, > delicious steak, but I'm just not very hungry. I just don't think > about sex very much. > > And incidentally, even though I've had these great T levels for 9 > months, I notice absolutely no changes to my muscle and fat > composition, which seems odd to me. > > Is it true that things like cialis and viagra only help with > performance, not with desire? > > I would appreciate any help that you guys could offer. > > Thanks, > Eugene > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 Not true if you have low T and are on TRT losing your libido means something is wrong not right. Most times it's high E2. Stephan Pochet <spochet@...> wrote: Libido comes and goes for everyone. If you feel great for some period of time then lose ineterst its realy a normal process I think. Also the more you do it the more you can keep it up... May I dare say! :-) eugenekeddy <eugenekeddy@...> wrote: I need some help with my libido. Brief history: - 39-year-old male, 175 pounds. - Primary hypogonadism due to one undescended testicle. T levels were around 300 for most of my adult life. - Began injecting T cyp summer 2006. 32 mg on Mondays and 44 mg on Thursdays, IM into the thigh. - Taking 1/4 mg Arimidex on Mondays, Thursdays, and Saturdays. - Injecting 200 IU HCG on Wednesdays and Sundays. - Hypothyroid with various antibodies. I have this under control and nearly optimized using Armour thyroid. - Adrenal fatigue. I am treating this successfully with 27.5 mg of hydrocortisone tablets per day. - I take 50 mg of DHEA per day. - I eat 1-2 teaspoons of Maca per day, but I am not consistent about it. Labs: - Total T is consistently in the range of 800-950 - Free T is usually just above the normal range - E2 17 (ref 0-53 pg/mL). This is not the sensitive test. - TSH 0.056 (ref 0.350 - 5.500 uIU/mL) - Free T3 4.3 (ref 2.3 - 4.2 pg/mL) - Free T4 1.15 (ref 0.61 - 1.76 ng/dL) - I have never had my SHBG measured. At various times in the past year, I have had a great libido, so I know what it feels like. My main problem right now is interest - it's like I just ate a huge buffet and my wife is offering me a tender, delicious steak, but I'm just not very hungry. I just don't think about sex very much. And incidentally, even though I've had these great T levels for 9 months, I notice absolutely no changes to my muscle and fat composition, which seems odd to me. Is it true that things like cialis and viagra only help with performance, not with desire? I would appreciate any help that you guys could offer. Thanks, Eugene --------------------------------- TV dinner still cooling? Check out " Tonight's Picks " on TV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 Not much unless you have low cortisol and thyroid problems or your total t levels are to low. eugenekeddy <eugenekeddy@...> wrote: Any other thoughts for libido other than trying different doses of Arimidex? Thanks, Eugene > > I need some help with my libido. > > Brief history: > - 39-year-old male, 175 pounds. > - Primary hypogonadism due to one undescended testicle. T levels were > around 300 for most of my adult life. > - Began injecting T cyp summer 2006. 32 mg on Mondays and 44 mg on > Thursdays, IM into the thigh. > - Taking 1/4 mg Arimidex on Mondays, Thursdays, and Saturdays. > - Injecting 200 IU HCG on Wednesdays and Sundays. > - Hypothyroid with various antibodies. I have this under control and > nearly optimized using Armour thyroid. > - Adrenal fatigue. I am treating this successfully with 27.5 mg of > hydrocortisone tablets per day. > - I take 50 mg of DHEA per day. > - I eat 1-2 teaspoons of Maca per day, but I am not consistent about it. > > Labs: > - Total T is consistently in the range of 800-950 > - Free T is usually just above the normal range > - E2 17 (ref 0-53 pg/mL). This is not the sensitive test. > - TSH 0.056 (ref 0.350 - 5.500 uIU/mL) > - Free T3 4.3 (ref 2.3 - 4.2 pg/mL) > - Free T4 1.15 (ref 0.61 - 1.76 ng/dL) > - I have never had my SHBG measured. > > At various times in the past year, I have had a great libido, so I > know what it feels like. My main problem right now is interest - it's > like I just ate a huge buffet and my wife is offering me a tender, > delicious steak, but I'm just not very hungry. I just don't think > about sex very much. > > And incidentally, even though I've had these great T levels for 9 > months, I notice absolutely no changes to my muscle and fat > composition, which seems odd to me. > > Is it true that things like cialis and viagra only help with > performance, not with desire? > > I would appreciate any help that you guys could offer. > > Thanks, > Eugene > Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see. " Phil --------------------------------- 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Search movie showtime shortcut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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