Re: E2 is going all over the place.

[Guest guest]

Hey Phil

If 0.125 every 5 days isn't enuff you may want to go try 0.125 every

3 days and see that helps.

>

> I am really having a hard time getting this under control. I don't

> know if my T levels are going down or if my E2 is going to high.

> The problem is I am sweating a lot again and having trouble

reaching

> an orgasm again. The last 2 times I was unable to with out a lot

of

> work. I just had more surgery on my face for skin cancer and think

> I is stressing me out. I had to stop using Voix and started a

> different med that is not working as good. I am sore in places I

> did not know I had a problem in. I am doing Arimidex .125 mgs.

> every 5 days and I don't think it is enough. I just can't seam to

> get it down to the right amount. I am ether on to much or not

> enough.

>

> How many of you are trying the DIM that uses and how is it

> going. What did you do going from Arimidex to the DIM. Did you go

> right on it or did you wait a week and how much are you taking.

> Phil

[Guest guest]

On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 22:27:36 -0000, you wrote:

>I have an unproven, SWAG theory that increasing Arimidex reduces E2

>quickly, but reducing Arimidex increases E2 slowly.

Their literature says levels go back for women after 6 days.

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Just another albino black sheep

[Guest guest]

> It would be nice if this drug came out in a

> men's version with smaller dosing. That

> way you could take it every day and the body

> would keep pace.

There's a very simple solution to this diliemma. For $200 you can buy

this scale:

http://balanc.temp.veriohosting.com/paypal/diamond.html

and adjust your dosage with more than enough accuracy. I'm very

surprised that no one else in this group has bought this scale. Or at

least no one has said that they've bought it.

[Guest guest]

,

I'm not being critical, I'm trying to make sure I'm reading the

specifications properly. The $200 scale in the ad that you mentioned

only goes to 0.002 g which is 2 mg. If the dosages we would be

trying to weigh are 0.25 mg (or even smaller) it seems that we would

need precision to 0.00001 g or 10 micrograms (1/1000 of a milligram).

Is my math right??? I happen to agree that until they start making

dosages in more managable sizes (such as 0.125 mg) it would be

prudent to have more precise measurements.

Bobby

>

> > It would be nice if this drug came out in a

> > men's version with smaller dosing. That

> > way you could take it every day and the body

> > would keep pace.

>

> There's a very simple solution to this diliemma. For $200 you can

buy

> this scale:

> http://balanc.temp.veriohosting.com/paypal/diamond.html

> and adjust your dosage with more than enough accuracy. I'm very

> surprised that no one else in this group has bought this scale. Or

at

> least no one has said that they've bought it.

[Guest guest]

is this the one you are talking about.

http://balanc.temp.veriohosting.com/tanita/t_1210specs.html

Phil

Z <davidzxxx2004@...> wrote:

> It would be nice if this drug came out in a

> men's version with smaller dosing. That

> way you could take it every day and the body

> would keep pace.

There's a very simple solution to this diliemma. For $200 you can buy

this scale:

http://balanc.temp.veriohosting.com/paypal/diamond.html

and adjust your dosage with more than enough accuracy. I'm very

surprised that no one else in this group has bought this scale. Or at

least no one has said that they've bought it.

[Guest guest]

Retro,

All I know is it took abut 4 weeks off Arimidex before I FELT better. I don't

know

where the blood levels were.

I think Phil's experience was similar.

Bruce

> >I have an unproven, SWAG theory that increasing Arimidex reduces E2

> >quickly, but reducing Arimidex increases E2 slowly.

[Guest guest]

A mirror and a razor blade are a lot cheaper. The $100 bill is reusable.

>

> > It would be nice if this drug came out in a

> > men's version with smaller dosing. That

> > way you could take it every day and the body

> > would keep pace.

>

> There's a very simple solution to this diliemma. For $200 you can buy

> this scale:

> http://balanc.temp.veriohosting.com/paypal/diamond.html

> and adjust your dosage with more than enough accuracy. I'm very

> surprised that no one else in this group has bought this scale. Or at

> least no one has said that they've bought it.

[Guest guest]

> I'm finding on a 5 day arimidex cycle i start experiencing things I

> attribute to higher E2 levels towards the end (decreased urine flow,

> etc.)

Yes, I'm convinced that 5 days is way too long between dosages. My

guess is daily dosages is optimal. I wouldn't go more than every other

day.

[Guest guest]

On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 10:24:00 -0800 (PST), you wrote:

>

>Yes I think you are right I am having the same problem and I am to afraid to go

down from every 5 days using .25 mgs. I never want to go to low again it messed

me up to bad. And I feel when you go to low it takes longer to come back up to

normal maybe the E2 will come up faster but it takes the body in my cast a lot

longer to get over it.

I get a lot of pain in bones and cartilage with low E2. It may be

because I had/have Osteopenia from low T. (They're finding that the

osteopenia seems to be more a function of low E2 when T is so low that

there's low E2 because there's little or nothing to convert.)

It seems I can largely detect E2 levels by urine flow for me. Higher

levels seem to swell the prostate and lower levels see higher stream

pressure.

It may be that the effects of changing levels may take longer to

change than the levels themselves. As posted earlier E2 creates more

Thyroid RH receptor sites. This and similar receptor site increases

and decreases probably effect mood and energy significantl;y. But

rapidly changing hormone levels will not see rapid changes in receptor

site counts or receptivity/sensitivity. I'm just speculating though.

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Just another albino black sheep

[Guest guest]

On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 18:22:27 -0000, you wrote:

>

>Retro,

>

>All I know is it took abut 4 weeks off Arimidex before I FELT better. I don't

know

>where the blood levels were.

>

>I think Phil's experience was similar.

See my previous post about receptor sites. I think this may explain it

more. I see rapid changes in urine flow and symptoms like breast

pain,etc. - but not in energy and libido. those seem to take a bit

longer. What's your experience there?

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Just another albino black sheep

[Guest guest]

On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 17:11:02 -0000, you wrote:

>I was wondering if you noticed a distinct difference in mental

>clarity when your E2 seemed to be in range (25-35, but everyone is

>little different)? I'm beginning to think that both low and high E2

>have an effect on mental clarity but I can't prove it - yet.

If you read the old posts you'll see most of us say that.

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Just another albino black sheep

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Seems like you were one of those that was on hormone pellets at one

time. Did you have similar E2 problems with pellets?

Asked my uro about T conversion to E2 and he felt it was less of a

problem with hormone pellets than the other forms of therapy.

Do you have any research info on E2 and pellets?

ernestnolan

>

> I am really having a hard time getting this under control. I don't

> know if my T levels are going down or if my E2 is going to high.

> The problem is I am sweating a lot again and having trouble reaching

> an orgasm again. The last 2 times I was unable to with out a lot of

> work. I just had more surgery on my face for skin cancer and think

> I is stressing me out. I had to stop using Voix and started a

> different med that is not working as good. I am sore in places I

> did not know I had a problem in. I am doing Arimidex .125 mgs.

> every 5 days and I don't think it is enough. I just can't seam to

> get it down to the right amount. I am ether on to much or not

> enough.

>

> How many of you are trying the DIM that uses and how is it

> going. What did you do going from Arimidex to the DIM. Did you go

> right on it or did you wait a week and how much are you taking.

> Phil

[Guest guest]

Ah ha...! Thanks for clearing that up. That makes perfect sense.

Man I need to get my brain working :-) Sorry about that!

Bobby

>

> > I'm not being critical, I'm trying to make sure I'm reading the

> > specifications properly. The $200 scale in the ad that you

mentioned

> > only goes to 0.002 g which is 2 mg. If the dosages we would be

> > trying to weigh are 0.25 mg (or even smaller) it seems that we

would

> > need precision to 0.00001 g or 10 micrograms (1/1000 of a

milligram).

> >

> > Is my math right???

>

> No. What your not taking into account is that a 1 mg Arimidex pill

> weigh a lot more than 1 mg. It probably weighs something like 10

to 100

> times that amount because the pill is not 100% pure Arimidex, but

more

> likely less than 10% Arimidex.

>

> For example, my 120 mg Indolplex pill (which contains 25 mg of DIM)

> weighs 1.16 grams. So when I weigh my DIM, each gram on my scale

> represents 103 mg of DIM complex (120/1.16) or 26 mg of DIM (103/4).

> Therefore, each .002 mg on my scale represents 0.2 mg of DIM complex

> (.002 * 103) or 0.05 mg of DIM (0.2/4).

>

> Similarly, my 5 mg Selegiline pill weighs 134 mg. You do the math!

>

> This scale is more than accurate enough for any job here. No doubt.

[Guest guest]

Retro,

Urine flow isn't an indicator for me, probably because I had my prostate

removed in 2000.

With high E2 I don't have breast pain, but I do have noticeable breast

" awareness " , and extremely sensitive nipples. Like the friction of putting on an

undershirt gave me an erotic jolt. Talk about cheap thrills.

When my E2 was excessively low from Arimidex, there was virtually no sexual

sensitivity in my penis or nipples. I thought about and was interested in sex,

but couldn't do a thing about it. Wierd.

I like your receptor site idea. At one point with low E2 I wondered why I was

almost craving sex mentally, but couldn't be aroused physically. I thought of

cravings caused by empty receptor sites, like with drug withdrawal. Trying to

stimulate myself should have sent a chemical message telling receptors

something nice was going on, keep doing that. Didn't happen. What

biochemical would send a pleasure signal when present, and cause a craving

when absent? How about a naturally occurring opiod? A lot of web surfing

came up with an endo-opioid called buprenorphine, and its metabolite,

norbuprenorphine. In women buprenorphine is produced through aromatase.

Another interesting but unproven & useless theory. Short version: E2 too high

or too low = bad.

Bruce

>

> >

> >Retro,

> >

> >All I know is it took abut 4 weeks off Arimidex before I FELT better. I don't

know

> >where the blood levels were.

> >

> >I think Phil's experience was similar.

>

>

> See my previous post about receptor sites. I think this may explain it

> more. I see rapid changes in urine flow and symptoms like breast

> pain,etc. - but not in energy and libido. those seem to take a bit

> longer. What's your experience there?

>

> - - - -

> Just another albino black sheep

[Guest guest]

I agree, I've always just split doses by hand eyeballing...even capsule with

little pellets in them. But if you've got the $200...

> Re: E2 is going all over the place.

>

>

>

> A mirror and a razor blade are a lot cheaper. The $100 bill

> is reusable.

>

> >

> > > It would be nice if this drug came out in a men's version with

> > > smaller dosing. That way you could take it every day and

> the body

> > > would keep pace.

> >

> > There's a very simple solution to this diliemma. For $200

> you can buy

> > this scale:

> > http://balanc.temp.veriohosting.com/paypal/diamond.html

> > and adjust your dosage with more than enough accuracy. I'm very

> > surprised that no one else in this group has bought this

> scale. Or at

> > least no one has said that they've bought it.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 16:09:01 -0800, you wrote:

>For those of you who have driven E2 down too low, rather than waiting for it

>to come back have you considered trying something artificial to increase it?

>Maybe something like applying a little extra T gel or taking one of the OTC

>supplements that women take to increase estrogen (black cohash)? If being

>too low is as awful as all report I'd try anything to get it back up ASAP.

I don't want to get in to a hormonal fight of numerous meds and

supplements myself. It only takes a week or so for levels to rise

significantly.

That said when i feel it's low I apply it to places with more lipids

in hope there's some aromotase still left.

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Just another albino black sheep

[Guest guest]

I agree yet it would be nice to get the amount down so you can take it everyday.

I asked if the right scale I put in my post was the one he was talking

about maybe he got back to me today.

Phil

dkrzyzek <dkrzyzek@...> wrote:

I think the key is to be able to recognize signs that your E2 is

getting low. In my case, I get a little mental fogginess and have a

ton of trouble reaching orgasm. As soon as this happened, I stopped

Arimidex immediately and it only took a couple days to feel better.

I know for others it can take much longer. The body tends to lag

behind as well, meaning if you get your E2 levels back up, it can

take a while for your body to recover from the low E2.

Dave K.

> > >

> > >>I have an unproven, SWAG theory that increasing Arimidex

reduces E2

> > >>quickly, but reducing Arimidex increases E2 slowly.

> > >

> > >

> > >Their literature says levels go back for women after 6 days.

> > >

> >

> > >

[Guest guest]

>>>> I agree yet it would be nice to get the amount down so you can take

it everyday. I asked if the right scale I put in my post was the

one he was talking about maybe he got back to me today.>>>>

Phil, I must've missed your post. Also, I was out of town for a few

days.

[Guest guest]

Thanks this confirms it I am not from this planet :-)

Phil

Z <davidzxxx2004@...> wrote:

The Tanita 1210-50.

PS: Your response arrived at my computer with a time stamp of one

minute before my original message! How did that happen?

Re: Re: E2 is going all over the place.

>

> That is ok I figured some thing like that on you post about the scale

there were about 4 in the link witch one is the one you have.

> Phil

>

> Z <davidzxxx2004@...> wrote:

>

> >>>> I agree yet it would be nice to get the amount down so you can

take

> it everyday. I asked if the right scale I put in my post was

the

> one he was talking about maybe he got back to me today.>>>>

>

> Phil, I must've missed your post. Also, I was out of town for a few

> days.

>

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>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Nah, Phil. The answer you should give is the same one I used to give

to my kids:

I'm just that good... :-)

Bobby

> >

> > >>>> I agree yet it would be nice to get the amount down so you

can

> take

> > it everyday. I asked if the right scale I put in my post

was

> the

> > one he was talking about maybe he got back to me today.>>>>

> >

> > Phil, I must've missed your post. Also, I was out of town for a

few

> > days.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Yep don't hurt your self.

Phil

bobbycfromep <clark.hypog@...> wrote:

Nah, Phil. The answer you should give is the same one I used to give

to my kids:

I'm just that good... :-)

Bobby

> >

> > >>>> I agree yet it would be nice to get the amount down so you

can

> take

> > it everyday. I asked if the right scale I put in my post

was

> the

> > one he was talking about maybe he got back to me today.>>>>

> >

> > Phil, I must've missed your post. Also, I was out of town for a

few

> > days.

> >

> >

> >

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