Re: results 3 weeks off Clomid

[Guest guest]

Probably 13 years. I had a severe unknown infection that I picked up

in southeast asia in 1991 with the military and have never felt right

since. But I wasn't tested for it until the fall of 2002.

Mark

> Hi Mark,

>

> I think by the sounds of it, if you low LH and FSH, it does seem

like

> you would be secondary. In that case clomid maybe worth a try.

>

> How long have you had low T for?

>

[Guest guest]

Here is a link to an article about Clomid and Tamoxifen,

they claim that Tamoxifen is safer and more effective in raising T

than Clomid

Anybody has a firsthand experience with it?

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/par25.htm

> You can try it, if your LH and FSH go up it rules out the

Pituitary,

> my T was 190 befor Clomid, 1,000 after 4 weeks on Clomid and around

> 700 3 weeks off Clomid

>

>

> > Is clomid appropriate to try for me? I have extremely low T (117

> at

> > last check) and almost zero LH and FSH. My estradiol was listed

at

> > <32. Prolactin was normal according to the doc.

> >

> > I see the endo again on Friday, so I want to have all my ducks in

a

> > row.

> >

> > Thanks!

> > Mark

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I've read so much conflicting information on which is better at

restoring the HPTA, clomiphene or tamoxifen. And at this point I

really don't know but most doctors do prescribe clomid or tamoxifen.

I just wish there was a definate answer on getting our lives back

after using finasteride...

I know Phil has mentioned HGH on restoring T levels several times,

but doctor's aren't too willing atleast the one's I've seen.

> > You can try it, if your LH and FSH go up it rules out the

> Pituitary,

> > my T was 190 befor Clomid, 1,000 after 4 weeks on Clomid and

around

> > 700 3 weeks off Clomid

> >

> >

> > > Is clomid appropriate to try for me? I have extremely low T

(117

> > at

> > > last check) and almost zero LH and FSH. My estradiol was

listed

> at

> > > <32. Prolactin was normal according to the doc.

> > >

> > > I see the endo again on Friday, so I want to have all my ducks

in

> a

> > > row.

> > >

> > > Thanks!

> > > Mark

[Guest guest]

If Clomid is an anti-estrogen, how would it help in my case where I

have low everything (low T, low estradiol, low LH, low FSH)?

Thanks,

Mark

> Here is a link to an article about Clomid and Tamoxifen,

> they claim that Tamoxifen is safer and more effective in raising T

> than Clomid

> Anybody has a firsthand experience with it?

>

> http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/par25.htm

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Mark,

From my understanding Clomid blocks the estrogen receptors in the

brain area where the pituitary checks for the feedback loop, when it

blocks the estrogen receptors, the pituitary thinks it'll need to

send more LH down to the testicles to produce T.

I think in your case, you should start with HCG to kick start the

system then go on Clomid. Mfb has success and experience with this,

he'll be able to provide a better answer.

Steve

> > Here is a link to an article about Clomid and Tamoxifen,

> > they claim that Tamoxifen is safer and more effective in raising

T

> > than Clomid

> > Anybody has a firsthand experience with it?

> >

> > http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/par25.htm

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Guys,

Do you have any " offical " info that I could give the doc regarding

clomid therapy?

Thanks for all your replies - as usual this is a great group!

Mark

[Guest guest]

In the files section Retrogrouch posted an article on Clomiphene.

Check it out.

> Guys,

>

> Do you have any " offical " info that I could give the doc regarding

> clomid therapy?

>

> Thanks for all your replies - as usual this is a great group!

> Mark

[Guest guest]

mfb,

Just curious what where your E2 levels prior to treatment.

Thanks!

> You can find alot of information on the web but if your Dr isn't

> familiar with Clomid and HCG I would find a new DR. This link is

for

> guys who used steroids but i think Finasteride effects the

Pituitary

> in some people the same way

>

> http://www.basskilleronline.com/hpta_reversal.html

>

>

> > Guys,

> >

> > Do you have any " offical " info that I could give the doc

regarding

> > clomid therapy?

> >

> > Thanks for all your replies - as usual this is a great group!

> > Mark

[Guest guest]

was the 79 and 90 assay test reading prior to treatment as well?

> > > You can find alot of information on the web but if your Dr

isn't

> > > familiar with Clomid and HCG I would find a new DR. This link

is

> > for

> > > guys who used steroids but i think Finasteride effects the

> > Pituitary

> > > in some people the same way

> > >

> > > http://www.basskilleronline.com/hpta_reversal.html

> > >

> > >

> > > > Guys,

> > > >

> > > > Do you have any " offical " info that I could give the doc

> > regarding

> > > > clomid therapy?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for all your replies - as usual this is a great group!

> > > > Mark