Re: results 3 weeks off Clomid

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I think you are on your way.

Phil

mfb178 <mfb178@...> wrote:

E2 less than 32, FSH 1.5, Lh 3.9 and total T 689. Test was at 11

am. Still looking pretty good I guess

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On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 16:45:07 -0000, you wrote:

>

>I was looking back at a test I had in November when my T was 190 my

>Lh was 3.5 and my Fsh was 1.4. I think my boys went to sleep and the

>Hcg/Clomid " woke " them up. Hard to tell with the LH level because of

>the pulsing, you don't know it's being taken during a pulse or at a

>low point

LH and FSH are supposed to be taken in multiple samples. Mine were 3

draws over 30 minutes and then pooled.

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> E2 less than 32, FSH 1.5, Lh 3.9 and total T 689. Test was at 11

> am. Still looking pretty good I guess

Are you using arimidex?

Brad

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Mfb, how old are you?

What was your Clomid dose and for how long?

I am 45 and also used propecia. I tried 3 times to start myself using

Clomid and failed .

If while on Clomid (25mg/day for 6 weeks) my T/E2/LH was 1300/38/11,

then 1 week after stopping

800/32/3.9, 5 weeks after 260/24/.9, 10 weeks -212/24/3.5

> I stopped Arimidex last week, I didn't have the T boost that some

> claim it gives. I used 1/2 mg day for 2 weeks after stopping

Clomid.

> My test was at 11am so I would probably be in the 700's at 8am. My

> Dr told me today that if i was going to crash I would have done so

by

> now as he sees his patients who have LH problems go back to very

low

> T levels within one week of stopping Clomid. I'll feel good if my

> next test (in 2 weeks) comes back normal, right now I'm still not

> convinced

>

> > > E2 less than 32, FSH 1.5, Lh 3.9 and total T 689. Test was at 11

>

> > > am. Still looking pretty good I guess

> >

> > Are you using arimidex?

> >

> > Brad

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Before Clomid my T was around 220.

When I was on 12.5mg/day, my T/E was nearly perfect 960/28,

but I did not feel very good, about every other day I had waves of

extreme fatigue, when I could barely get up from a chair, way worse

then with low T. Now I am on 12.5mg/eod, and still feel the same, I

am Ok 2-3 day, then a day when I can barely drug thru the day.

It's been going on for such a long time that I already forgot how it

feels 'to feel good'! And I am very fit, athletic and otherwise

healthy. Btw, hCG makes me feel same as Clomid.

I've been thru many MD, none was able to tell anything intelligent,

so until I find a good doctor, I am self medicating.

> > > I stopped Arimidex last week, I didn't have the T boost that

some

> > > claim it gives. I used 1/2 mg day for 2 weeks after stopping

> > Clomid.

> > > My test was at 11am so I would probably be in the 700's at

8am.

> My

> > > Dr told me today that if i was going to crash I would have done

> so

> > by

> > > now as he sees his patients who have LH problems go back to

very

> > low

> > > T levels within one week of stopping Clomid. I'll feel good if

> my

> > > next test (in 2 weeks) comes back normal, right now I'm still

not

> > > convinced

> > >

> > > > > E2 less than 32, FSH 1.5, Lh 3.9 and total T 689. Test was

at

> 11

> > >

> > > > > am. Still looking pretty good I guess

> > > >

> > > > Are you using arimidex?

> > > >

> > > > Brad

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Msf,

forgot to ask you, how were you feeling when your E2 was 80?

any difference comparing to normal E2?

Thanks

> > > > I stopped Arimidex last week, I didn't have the T boost that

> some

> > > > claim it gives. I used 1/2 mg day for 2 weeks after stopping

> > > Clomid.

> > > > My test was at 11am so I would probably be in the 700's at

> 8am.

> > My

> > > > Dr told me today that if i was going to crash I would have

done

> > so

> > > by

> > > > now as he sees his patients who have LH problems go back to

> very

> > > low

> > > > T levels within one week of stopping Clomid. I'll feel good

if

> > my

> > > > next test (in 2 weeks) comes back normal, right now I'm still

> not

> > > > convinced

> > > >

> > > > > > E2 less than 32, FSH 1.5, Lh 3.9 and total T 689. Test

was

> at

> > 11

> > > >

> > > > > > am. Still looking pretty good I guess

> > > > >

> > > > > Are you using arimidex?

> > > > >

> > > > > Brad

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Interesting (and unfortunate). Hopefully, MFB will have a better

outcome.

> > I stopped Arimidex last week, I didn't have the T boost that

some

> > claim it gives. I used 1/2 mg day for 2 weeks after stopping

> Clomid.

> > My test was at 11am so I would probably be in the 700's at 8am.

My

> > Dr told me today that if i was going to crash I would have done

so

> by

> > now as he sees his patients who have LH problems go back to very

> low

> > T levels within one week of stopping Clomid. I'll feel good if

my

> > next test (in 2 weeks) comes back normal, right now I'm still

not

> > convinced

> >

> > > > E2 less than 32, FSH 1.5, Lh 3.9 and total T 689. Test was

at 11

> >

> > > > am. Still looking pretty good I guess

> > >

> > > Are you using arimidex?

> > >

> > > Brad

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Critical to keep your estradiol in check with those drugs. Make sure

and monitor it closely. High estradiol, or even high free estradiol

is enough to completely wipe out the positive results.

> > > > I stopped Arimidex last week, I didn't have the T boost that

> some

> > > > claim it gives. I used 1/2 mg day for 2 weeks after stopping

> > > Clomid.

> > > > My test was at 11am so I would probably be in the 700's at

> 8am.

> > My

> > > > Dr told me today that if i was going to crash I would have

done

> > so

> > > by

> > > > now as he sees his patients who have LH problems go back to

> very

> > > low

> > > > T levels within one week of stopping Clomid. I'll feel good

if

> > my

> > > > next test (in 2 weeks) comes back normal, right now I'm

still

> not

> > > > convinced

> > > >

> > > > > > E2 less than 32, FSH 1.5, Lh 3.9 and total T 689. Test

was

> at

> > 11

> > > >

> > > > > > am. Still looking pretty good I guess

> > > > >

> > > > > Are you using arimidex?

> > > > >

> > > > > Brad

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I guess, my last email got lost, so here it is again.

How about E2?

Did you feel any difference between when your E2 was 80 and when it

was normal (regardless of your T levels)?

> > > > > I stopped Arimidex last week, I didn't have the T boost

that

> > some

> > > > > claim it gives. I used 1/2 mg day for 2 weeks after

stopping

> > > > Clomid.

> > > > > My test was at 11am so I would probably be in the 700's at

> > 8am.

> > > My

> > > > > Dr told me today that if i was going to crash I would have

> done

> > > so

> > > > by

> > > > > now as he sees his patients who have LH problems go back to

> > very

> > > > low

> > > > > T levels within one week of stopping Clomid. I'll feel

good

> if

> > > my

> > > > > next test (in 2 weeks) comes back normal, right now I'm

still

> > not

> > > > > convinced

> > > > >

> > > > > > > E2 less than 32, FSH 1.5, Lh 3.9 and total T 689. Test

> was

> > at

> > > 11

> > > > >

> > > > > > > am. Still looking pretty good I guess

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Are you using arimidex?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Brad

[Guest guest]

Keep in mind that I am 10 years older than you and my T was droping

50% a week, so you are holding up much better than me.

> > > > I stopped Arimidex last week, I didn't have the T boost that

> > some

> > > > claim it gives. I used 1/2 mg day for 2 weeks after stopping

> > > Clomid.

> > > > My test was at 11am so I would probably be in the 700's at

> 8am.

> > My

> > > > Dr told me today that if i was going to crash I would have

done

> > so

> > > by

> > > > now as he sees his patients who have LH problems go back to

> very

> > > low

> > > > T levels within one week of stopping Clomid. I'll feel good

if

> > my

> > > > next test (in 2 weeks) comes back normal, right now I'm still

> > not

> > > > convinced

> > > >

> > > > > > E2 less than 32, FSH 1.5, Lh 3.9 and total T 689. Test

was

> > at 11

> > > >

> > > > > > am. Still looking pretty good I guess

> > > > >

> > > > > Are you using arimidex?

> > > > >

> > > > > Brad

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Mfb, where is your doctor? I want to find a doctor who's able to

explain to me why any increase in T, be it hCG, Clomid or AG,

makes me feel like crap. Maybe your can.

Thanks

> > > I stopped Arimidex last week, I didn't have the T boost that

some

> > > claim it gives. I used 1/2 mg day for 2 weeks after stopping

> > Clomid.

> > > My test was at 11am so I would probably be in the 700's at

8am.

> My

> > > Dr told me today that if i was going to crash I would have done

> so

> > by

> > > now as he sees his patients who have LH problems go back to

very

> > low

> > > T levels within one week of stopping Clomid. I'll feel good if

> my

> > > next test (in 2 weeks) comes back normal, right now I'm still

not

> > > convinced

> > >

> > > > > E2 less than 32, FSH 1.5, Lh 3.9 and total T 689. Test was

at

> 11

> > >

> > > > > am. Still looking pretty good I guess

> > > >

> > > > Are you using arimidex?

> > > >

> > > > Brad

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Wow mfb, I wish I could visit your doc as well. Mine wanted me out

about 10 minutes into the session..

It looks your on the rebound, I think you'll do alright.

> > > > > I stopped Arimidex last week, I didn't have the T boost

that

> > some

> > > > > claim it gives. I used 1/2 mg day for 2 weeks after

stopping

> > > > Clomid.

> > > > > My test was at 11am so I would probably be in the 700's at

> > 8am.

> > > My

> > > > > Dr told me today that if i was going to crash I would have

> done

> > > so

> > > > by

> > > > > now as he sees his patients who have LH problems go back to

> > very

> > > > low

> > > > > T levels within one week of stopping Clomid. I'll feel

good

> if

> > > my

> > > > > next test (in 2 weeks) comes back normal, right now I'm

still

> > not

> > > > > convinced

> > > > >

> > > > > > > E2 less than 32, FSH 1.5, Lh 3.9 and total T 689. Test

> was

> > at

> > > 11

> > > > >

> > > > > > > am. Still looking pretty good I guess

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Are you using arimidex?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Brad

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3 weeks to wait for an appt isn't bad compared to what we have to put

thru in Canada. We have a free health care system, but it could take

4 months just to see a specialist and almost 2 monts in between each

appointment. I nearly went insane waiting for doctors, and when I got

there they weren't too helpfull.

> > > > > > > I stopped Arimidex last week, I didn't have the T boost

> > that

> > > > some

> > > > > > > claim it gives. I used 1/2 mg day for 2 weeks after

> > stopping

> > > > > > Clomid.

> > > > > > > My test was at 11am so I would probably be in the 700's

> at

> > > > 8am.

> > > > > My

> > > > > > > Dr told me today that if i was going to crash I would

> have

> > > done

> > > > > so

> > > > > > by

> > > > > > > now as he sees his patients who have LH problems go

back

> to

> > > > very

> > > > > > low

> > > > > > > T levels within one week of stopping Clomid. I'll feel

> > good

> > > if

> > > > > my

> > > > > > > next test (in 2 weeks) comes back normal, right now I'm

> > still

> > > > not

> > > > > > > convinced

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > E2 less than 32, FSH 1.5, Lh 3.9 and total T 689.

> Test

> > > was

> > > > at

> > > > > 11

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > am. Still looking pretty good I guess

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Are you using arimidex?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Brad

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Thanks Mfb,

I am in California,do you know if he does business over the phone or

email?

You are the first one I've heard about, who is recovering.

All my former doctors told me that HH is a one way street, but I have

no trust in them since they knew less about HRT then people on this

board

Btw, is your doctor russian by the chance?

Thanks

> > > > > I stopped Arimidex last week, I didn't have the T boost

that

> > some

> > > > > claim it gives. I used 1/2 mg day for 2 weeks after

stopping

> > > > Clomid.

> > > > > My test was at 11am so I would probably be in the 700's at

> > 8am.

> > > My

> > > > > Dr told me today that if i was going to crash I would have

> done

> > > so

> > > > by

> > > > > now as he sees his patients who have LH problems go back to

> > very

> > > > low

> > > > > T levels within one week of stopping Clomid. I'll feel

good

> if

> > > my

> > > > > next test (in 2 weeks) comes back normal, right now I'm

still

> > not

> > > > > convinced

> > > > >

> > > > > > > E2 less than 32, FSH 1.5, Lh 3.9 and total T 689. Test

> was

> > at

> > > 11

> > > > >

> > > > > > > am. Still looking pretty good I guess

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Are you using arimidex?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Brad

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On Sat, 05 Jun 2004 02:33:01 -0000, you wrote:

>3 weeks to wait for an appt isn't bad compared to what we have to put

>thru in Canada. We have a free health care system, but it could take

>4 months just to see a specialist and almost 2 monts in between each

>appointment. I nearly went insane waiting for doctors, and when I got

>there they weren't too helpfull.

It's not that much different in the US when you're in HMO's which

something like 80% of us with insurance are.

I'm sick to death of waiting 2 to 3 months for an appointment to get

tests ordered and then waiting months for the appointment to get them

interpreted and take the next action. It's been two years since they

diagnosed my low T and we're still working it out.

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[Guest guest]

On Sat, 05 Jun 2004 05:14:02 -0000, you wrote:

>

>I would guess he's Polish but I'm not sure, You would have to call to

>see if he does phone/email work as I don't know. While I seem to be

>recovering my situation was different then most as I never had sexual

>side effects or diminished libido.

That's not that unusual.

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[Guest guest]

I started Clomid treatment couple of weeks ago with 12.5mg/day.

Before starting clomid my T was ~240 and FH and LH were around ~3. I

am going to get blood test done in another 2 weeks to see if it has

helped any. I have some questions about your clomid treatment

-- there was one post that mentioned about dosage in " eod " . What is

it ?

-- What is the best time of the day to take Clomid ? Does it matter

if taken with food or without ? My doctor has not given any such

guidelines.

-- If clomid stimulation works and T level goes up. Do they stay up

there once you stop Clomid or is it a lifelong therapy (assuming if

it works!) ?

If clomid doesn't work for me then my doctor may prescribe hCG.

-Mike

> > > > > > I stopped Arimidex last week, I didn't have the T boost

> that

> > > some

> > > > > > claim it gives. I used 1/2 mg day for 2 weeks after

> stopping

> > > > > Clomid.

> > > > > > My test was at 11am so I would probably be in the 700's

at

> > > 8am.

> > > > My

> > > > > > Dr told me today that if i was going to crash I would

have

> > done

> > > > so

> > > > > by

> > > > > > now as he sees his patients who have LH problems go back

to

> > > very

> > > > > low

> > > > > > T levels within one week of stopping Clomid. I'll feel

> good

> > if

> > > > my

> > > > > > next test (in 2 weeks) comes back normal, right now I'm

> still

> > > not

> > > > > > convinced

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > E2 less than 32, FSH 1.5, Lh 3.9 and total T 689.

Test

> > was

> > > at

> > > > 11

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > am. Still looking pretty good I guess

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Are you using arimidex?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Brad

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lowtsufferer3,

1. eod - every other day.

2. I do not know what's teh best time, but I take mine at night

3. If Clomid does not work for you, IMO hCG will not either,

since they both stimulate(Clomid) or simulate(hCG) LH

.

> > > > > > > I stopped Arimidex last week, I didn't have the T boost

> > that

> > > > some

> > > > > > > claim it gives. I used 1/2 mg day for 2 weeks after

> > stopping

> > > > > > Clomid.

> > > > > > > My test was at 11am so I would probably be in the 700's

> at

> > > > 8am.

> > > > > My

> > > > > > > Dr told me today that if i was going to crash I would

> have

> > > done

> > > > > so

> > > > > > by

> > > > > > > now as he sees his patients who have LH problems go

back

> to

> > > > very

> > > > > > low

> > > > > > > T levels within one week of stopping Clomid. I'll feel

> > good

> > > if

> > > > > my

> > > > > > > next test (in 2 weeks) comes back normal, right now I'm

> > still

> > > > not

> > > > > > > convinced

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > E2 less than 32, FSH 1.5, Lh 3.9 and total T 689.

> Test

> > > was

> > > > at

> > > > > 11

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > am. Still looking pretty good I guess

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Are you using arimidex?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Brad

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/4/2004 9:28:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

mfb178@... writes:

I didn't feel bad at anytime before or during the drugs. If I never

developed Gyno I would have never found out about my Low T

Did you ever have a bone density scan? What were the results?

[Guest guest]

On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 17:04:53 -0000, you wrote:

>

>I never had a bone scan, I can't imagine any problem there as with

>low T I was benching over 300lbs and now that my T is normal I'm up

>to 375x4. Lifting weights helps with bone density

But T is necessary for bone deposition. I was hiking, mountain

climbing and riding my bike hard over a 100 miles a week, when I

started cracking ribs. (Bone also moves to areas where its needed from

areas where its not - so while you're lifting bone can be shifting.)

With all the above I felt fit, still cracked 8 ribs in four incidents

over 3 years.

if you have low T you should get a bone density scan.

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On Mon, 07 Jun 2004 02:58:07 -0000, you wrote:

> Maybe i'll push for the bone scan just so i

>have a reference for the future, how is it done ?

It's an x-ray scan. They take numerous readings and determine

density.

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[Guest guest]

Do a google search for DEXA scan. They will scan your back and your hips. It

is very easy. You lay on a table and the machine moves over your lower body.

If the machine uses X-rays then they can't be powerful because the lab tech

wasn't nervous and she was sitting right next to me. Also, I don't believe they

dressed me with any lead. I asked my orthopeadic Dr. for one.

In a message dated 6/6/2004 11:45:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

retrogrouch@... writes:

> Maybe i'll push for the bone scan just so i

>have a reference for the future, how is it done ?

It's an x-ray scan. They take numerous readings and determine

density.

[Guest guest]

Is clomid appropriate to try for me? I have extremely low T (117 at

last check) and almost zero LH and FSH. My estradiol was listed at

<32. Prolactin was normal according to the doc.

I see the endo again on Friday, so I want to have all my ducks in a

row.

Thanks!

Mark

[Guest guest]

Hi Mark,

I think by the sounds of it, if you low LH and FSH, it does seem like

you would be secondary. In that case clomid maybe worth a try.

How long have you had low T for?

> Is clomid appropriate to try for me? I have extremely low T (117

at

> last check) and almost zero LH and FSH. My estradiol was listed at

> <32. Prolactin was normal according to the doc.

>

> I see the endo again on Friday, so I want to have all my ducks in a

> row.

>

> Thanks!

> Mark

[Guest guest]

What does a bone density scan consist of?

Thanks,

Mark