Re: Low Testosterone and Osteoperosis

[Guest guest]

Fenbit,

Your doctors are sadly mistaken. Low T levels can cause a wide range

of complications, including osteoporosis. I know, because I have it.

Go to the " Links " section of the forum and read the AACE guidelines

for treating hypogonadism. Then show this to your physician and ask

her if she is willing to follow these guidelines. If not, you must

seek another physician. Don't be alarmed, most of us here have had to

try several before finding one who understands and is willing to

treat properly.

Regards,

K4

>

> Hi,

>

> This is my first post. I learned of the group via WebMD (super

site).

>

> Based on what I have read, it appears that having a very low

> testosterone level could be a set-up for osteoperosis. Mine is sub

> 200 level. I tried Androgel and my level actually dropped.

>

> Has anyone actually developed osteoperosis (on this board)from low

> testosterone levels? My family doctor just retired and said that

> there should be no adverse affects (with the exception of fatigue,

> low sex drive, possible ED, etc.). In other words, he did not seem

> to think there was any increased risk of developing osteoperosis.

>

> I have since switched docs as the above GP retired. My new family

> doc (a woman by the way) seems to have the same opinion, i.e. " no

> problem " if I did not think it so.

>

> To add to my concern, I am now officially an " old fart " having just

> turned 60.

>

> Well anyway, I would appreciate hearing from anyone with first hand

> experience with the above.

>

> Thanks.

>

> fenbit

[Guest guest]

I didn't know we were referred to on WebMD.

Can you describe your Androgel trial? How long were you on the AG and

what dose did you use?

Is it possible that you were started on the 2.5G packets?

Brad

>

> Hi,

>

> This is my first post. I learned of the group via WebMD (super site).

>

> Based on what I have read, it appears that having a very low

> testosterone level could be a set-up for osteoperosis. Mine is sub

> 200 level. I tried Androgel and my level actually dropped.

>

> Has anyone actually developed osteoperosis (on this board)from low

> testosterone levels? My family doctor just retired and said that

> there should be no adverse affects (with the exception of fatigue,

> low sex drive, possible ED, etc.). In other words, he did not seem

> to think there was any increased risk of developing osteoperosis.

>

> I have since switched docs as the above GP retired. My new family

> doc (a woman by the way) seems to have the same opinion, i.e. " no

> problem " if I did not think it so.

>

> To add to my concern, I am now officially an " old fart " having just

> turned 60.

>

> Well anyway, I would appreciate hearing from anyone with first hand

> experience with the above.

>

> Thanks.

>

> fenbit

[Guest guest]

Amen to that. K4 is correct, fenbit.

I've been there and fought hard to reverse the low T and associated

Osteo.

I can work if you stick with it.

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > This is my first post. I learned of the group via WebMD (super

> site).

> >

> > Based on what I have read, it appears that having a very low

> > testosterone level could be a set-up for osteoperosis. Mine is

sub

> > 200 level. I tried Androgel and my level actually dropped.

> >

> > Has anyone actually developed osteoperosis (on this board)from

low

> > testosterone levels? My family doctor just retired and said that

> > there should be no adverse affects (with the exception of

fatigue,

> > low sex drive, possible ED, etc.). In other words, he did not

seem

> > to think there was any increased risk of developing osteoperosis.

> >

> > I have since switched docs as the above GP retired. My new

family

> > doc (a woman by the way) seems to have the same opinion, i.e. " no

> > problem " if I did not think it so.

> >

> > To add to my concern, I am now officially an " old fart " having

just

> > turned 60.

> >

> > Well anyway, I would appreciate hearing from anyone with first

hand

> > experience with the above.

> >

> > Thanks.

> >

> > fenbit

[Guest guest]

Yeah, you can get Osteo from low T. I'm 23 with Hypogonadism

Secondary since birth. I've got Osteoperosis.

I had to twist my doctors arm to do the Dexa Scan and am glad I

forced it every visit. I'm tired of Doctor's telling me that Low T

is a minor problem, it effects my whole life and I'm the one that's

had to learn to live with it, not them.

I have little love for most doctor's.

>

> Hi,

>

> This is my first post. I learned of the group via WebMD (super

site).

>

> Based on what I have read, it appears that having a very low

> testosterone level could be a set-up for osteoperosis. Mine is

sub

> 200 level. I tried Androgel and my level actually dropped.

>

> Has anyone actually developed osteoperosis (on this board)from low

> testosterone levels? My family doctor just retired and said that

> there should be no adverse affects (with the exception of fatigue,

> low sex drive, possible ED, etc.). In other words, he did not

seem

> to think there was any increased risk of developing osteoperosis.

>

> I have since switched docs as the above GP retired. My new family

> doc (a woman by the way) seems to have the same opinion, i.e. " no

> problem " if I did not think it so.

>

> To add to my concern, I am now officially an " old fart " having

just

> turned 60.

>

> Well anyway, I would appreciate hearing from anyone with first

hand

> experience with the above.

>

> Thanks.

>

> fenbit

[Guest guest]

> *****I call bullshit on your Dr. I'm 38 with osteopenia....this is

a proven fact and can hurt you. Also, check your estradiol

level...sounds like a possibility of aromatase!

> Hi,

>

> This is my first post. I learned of the group via WebMD (super

site).

>

> Based on what I have read, it appears that having a very low

> testosterone level could be a set-up for osteoperosis. Mine is sub

> 200 level. I tried Androgel and my level actually dropped.

>

> Has anyone actually developed osteoperosis (on this board)from low

> testosterone levels? My family doctor just retired and said that

> there should be no adverse affects (with the exception of fatigue,

> low sex drive, possible ED, etc.). In other words, he did not seem

> to think there was any increased risk of developing osteoperosis.

>

> I have since switched docs as the above GP retired. My new family

> doc (a woman by the way) seems to have the same opinion, i.e. " no

> problem " if I did not think it so.

>

> To add to my concern, I am now officially an " old fart " having just

> turned 60.

>

> Well anyway, I would appreciate hearing from anyone with first hand

> experience with the above.

>

> Thanks.

>

> fenbit

[Guest guest]

Hi Brad,

I found this board on WebMD under Men's Health:Urology... The actual

message number:

http://boards.webmd.com/message.asp?message_id=4973533

I do not know what the dosage was of the Androgel that was

perscribed. I can't find out from my records.

What I did experience, however was seemingly an increased amount of

shaving and a few more nocternal errections. I don't believe that I

had any less fatigue or more energy.

But the strange thing is that when I had my level checked after about

90 days on the gel, my T level was even lower than when first checked?

Thanks for your input.

Larry

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > This is my first post. I learned of the group via WebMD (super

site).

> >

> > Based on what I have read, it appears that having a very low

> > testosterone level could be a set-up for osteoperosis. Mine is

sub

> > 200 level. I tried Androgel and my level actually dropped.

> >

> > Has anyone actually developed osteoperosis (on this board)from

low

> > testosterone levels? My family doctor just retired and said that

> > there should be no adverse affects (with the exception of

fatigue,

> > low sex drive, possible ED, etc.). In other words, he did not

seem

> > to think there was any increased risk of developing osteoperosis.

> >

> > I have since switched docs as the above GP retired. My new

family

> > doc (a woman by the way) seems to have the same opinion, i.e. " no

> > problem " if I did not think it so.

> >

> > To add to my concern, I am now officially an " old fart " having

just

> > turned 60.

> >

> > Well anyway, I would appreciate hearing from anyone with first

hand

> > experience with the above.

> >

> > Thanks.

> >

> > fenbit

[Guest guest]

K4,

Thanks for the referral to the AACE guidelines. I have been cramped

for time over the past few days. I did locate the document and began

combing through it. It looks like a great deal of helpful

information. I will finish reading it and will keep a copy handy.

Thanks!

Larry

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > This is my first post. I learned of the group via WebMD (super

> site).

> >

> > Based on what I have read, it appears that having a very low

> > testosterone level could be a set-up for osteoperosis. Mine is

sub

> > 200 level. I tried Androgel and my level actually dropped.

> >

> > Has anyone actually developed osteoperosis (on this board)from

low

> > testosterone levels? My family doctor just retired and said that

> > there should be no adverse affects (with the exception of

fatigue,

> > low sex drive, possible ED, etc.). In other words, he did not

seem

> > to think there was any increased risk of developing osteoperosis.

> >

> > I have since switched docs as the above GP retired. My new

family

> > doc (a woman by the way) seems to have the same opinion, i.e. " no

> > problem " if I did not think it so.

> >

> > To add to my concern, I am now officially an " old fart " having

just

> > turned 60.

> >

> > Well anyway, I would appreciate hearing from anyone with first

hand

> > experience with the above.

> >

> > Thanks.

> >

> > fenbit

[Guest guest]

aalgazi,

So you have Osteoperosis? At what age were you diagnosed? If you

don't mind.

Thanks.

Larry

> > >

> > > Hi,

> > >

> > > This is my first post. I learned of the group via WebMD (super

> > site).

> > >

> > > Based on what I have read, it appears that having a very low

> > > testosterone level could be a set-up for osteoperosis. Mine is

> sub

> > > 200 level. I tried Androgel and my level actually dropped.

> > >

> > > Has anyone actually developed osteoperosis (on this board)from

> low

> > > testosterone levels? My family doctor just retired and said

that

> > > there should be no adverse affects (with the exception of

> fatigue,

> > > low sex drive, possible ED, etc.). In other words, he did not

> seem

> > > to think there was any increased risk of developing

osteoperosis.

> > >

> > > I have since switched docs as the above GP retired. My new

> family

> > > doc (a woman by the way) seems to have the same opinion,

i.e. " no

> > > problem " if I did not think it so.

> > >

> > > To add to my concern, I am now officially an " old fart " having

> just

> > > turned 60.

> > >

> > > Well anyway, I would appreciate hearing from anyone with first

> hand

> > > experience with the above.

> > >

> > > Thanks.

> > >

> > > fenbit

[Guest guest]

pohonehe,

Do you think it is just ignorance on the part of the doctors? Are

they of the mindset that only women get Osteo? Or you have to be a

certain age or that " men never get it? "

Thanks for your reply.

Larry

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > This is my first post. I learned of the group via WebMD (super

> site).

> >

> > Based on what I have read, it appears that having a very low

> > testosterone level could be a set-up for osteoperosis. Mine is

> sub

> > 200 level. I tried Androgel and my level actually dropped.

> >

> > Has anyone actually developed osteoperosis (on this board)from

low

> > testosterone levels? My family doctor just retired and said that

> > there should be no adverse affects (with the exception of

fatigue,

> > low sex drive, possible ED, etc.). In other words, he did not

> seem

> > to think there was any increased risk of developing osteoperosis.

> >

> > I have since switched docs as the above GP retired. My new

family

> > doc (a woman by the way) seems to have the same opinion, i.e. " no

> > problem " if I did not think it so.

> >

> > To add to my concern, I am now officially an " old fart " having

> just

> > turned 60.

> >

> > Well anyway, I would appreciate hearing from anyone with first

> hand

> > experience with the above.

> >

> > Thanks.

> >

> > fenbit

[Guest guest]

Larry,

Technically when my first internist became suspicious ( as a result

of a good pickup by a radiologist) I was around 39 to 40 yrs.

The diagnosis took a little longer and was labeled 'osteopenia' at

the time.

Dr.'s use what's known as Z scores and T scores. Mine were initially

just past negative 1 (scores are integers, with " - " numbers bad

and " + " are normal or good). After a year of added vitamins,

minerals and diet changes, etc., my yearly scores continued to

decline at an alarming rate. For another year we tried the

medications given to post menopausal women (Actonel, Fosamax). Still

the scores continued to decline negatively - but slower. By then I

was near -2. Beyond -2 you go from the breakpoint(pun intended)from

osteopenia to osteoporosis. Technically and clinically if you break a

bone in that range your offically 'diagnosed'.

I was not going to let that happen! That's when I dug in and went on

the TRT/HRT path. As I told earlier, the results speak for themselves.

I am now in the 'healthy' range -- above +1. NO osteo of any kind.

Convinced?

A

> > > >

> > > > Hi,

> > > >

> > > > This is my first post. I learned of the group via WebMD

(super

> > > site).

> > > >

> > > > Based on what I have read, it appears that having a very low

> > > > testosterone level could be a set-up for osteoperosis. Mine

is

> > sub

> > > > 200 level. I tried Androgel and my level actually dropped.

> > > >

> > > > Has anyone actually developed osteoperosis (on this board)

from

> > low

> > > > testosterone levels? My family doctor just retired and said

> that

> > > > there should be no adverse affects (with the exception of

> > fatigue,

> > > > low sex drive, possible ED, etc.). In other words, he did

not

> > seem

> > > > to think there was any increased risk of developing

> osteoperosis.

> > > >

> > > > I have since switched docs as the above GP retired. My new

> > family

> > > > doc (a woman by the way) seems to have the same opinion,

> i.e. " no

> > > > problem " if I did not think it so.

> > > >

> > > > To add to my concern, I am now officially an " old fart "

having

> > just

> > > > turned 60.

> > > >

> > > > Well anyway, I would appreciate hearing from anyone with

first

> > hand

> > > > experience with the above.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks.

> > > >

> > > > fenbit

[Guest guest]

My personal opinion is that when it comes to Osteoperosis there is

just not as much research with men as with woman because male's who

get it are mainly those who have hypogonadism of one form or

another. Not all men get Hypogonadism but all females will go

through menopause when they hit that age so the occurance of

osteoperosis in females is higher then males.

As for my cause I think it was the matter of the doctor saying " yeah

males with hyogonadism can get Osteoperosis but you are to young. "

Well I proved him wrong on that.

> > >

> > > Hi,

> > >

> > > This is my first post. I learned of the group via WebMD

(super

> > site).

> > >

> > > Based on what I have read, it appears that having a very low

> > > testosterone level could be a set-up for osteoperosis. Mine

is

> > sub

> > > 200 level. I tried Androgel and my level actually dropped.

> > >

> > > Has anyone actually developed osteoperosis (on this board)from

> low

> > > testosterone levels? My family doctor just retired and said

that

> > > there should be no adverse affects (with the exception of

> fatigue,

> > > low sex drive, possible ED, etc.). In other words, he did not

> > seem

> > > to think there was any increased risk of developing

osteoperosis.

> > >

> > > I have since switched docs as the above GP retired. My new

> family

> > > doc (a woman by the way) seems to have the same opinion,

i.e. " no

> > > problem " if I did not think it so.

> > >

> > > To add to my concern, I am now officially an " old fart " having

> > just

> > > turned 60.

> > >

> > > Well anyway, I would appreciate hearing from anyone with first

> > hand

> > > experience with the above.

> > >

> > > Thanks.

> > >

> > > fenbit

[Guest guest]

It may not be that big a mystery. When you begin using exogenous

testosterone your LH and endogenous production of testosterone are

reduced in time. So the effect on testosterone of beginning androgel

is not simply an additive one. You are supplying some testosterone

via androgel while some is lost due to decrease endogenous production.

If the amount of testosterone you are getting from AG is less than

that lost due to suppression of endogenous production, you can have a

lower level of testosterone in the bloodstream. If you resume

androgel and your level falls or doesn't increase, I would suggest

increasing the dose. If increased doses of ag don't increase your t

level, you might not be absorbing the product well and perhaps need to

switch to a different replacement product or technique.

Brad

> > >

> > > Hi,

> > >

> > > This is my first post. I learned of the group via WebMD (super

> site).

> > >

> > > Based on what I have read, it appears that having a very low

> > > testosterone level could be a set-up for osteoperosis. Mine is

> sub

> > > 200 level. I tried Androgel and my level actually dropped.

> > >

> > > Has anyone actually developed osteoperosis (on this board)from

> low

> > > testosterone levels? My family doctor just retired and said that

> > > there should be no adverse affects (with the exception of

> fatigue,

> > > low sex drive, possible ED, etc.). In other words, he did not

> seem

> > > to think there was any increased risk of developing osteoperosis.

> > >

> > > I have since switched docs as the above GP retired. My new

> family

> > > doc (a woman by the way) seems to have the same opinion, i.e. " no

> > > problem " if I did not think it so.

> > >

> > > To add to my concern, I am now officially an " old fart " having

> just

> > > turned 60.

> > >

> > > Well anyway, I would appreciate hearing from anyone with first

> hand

> > > experience with the above.

> > >

> > > Thanks.

> > >

> > > fenbit