Guest guest Posted August 16, 2004 Report Share Posted August 16, 2004 > Bob, when I tried HCG, after first depressing the plunger to the > bottom I would then unscrew the syringe from the needle leaving the > needle stuck in me and then pull back on the syringe to leave about > 1/8 of a cc of air and screw it back on and then squirt the rest of > the HCG left in the needle in my leg. This made sure I got it all > and it does not hurt at all, just leave the syringe loosely on the > needle so you can unscrew it easily while still in your leg. > norton Arn't you getting a larger dose this way? or does the .10 ml mark on the syringe count the tip? FYI, when I did my first shot, the inital mega test dose, I really felt it. I did the 500 IUs today and felt nothing. I do want to be a little consertive with this stuff so I do not cause the problem I am trying to prevent. primary hypogonadism. This stuff does work great for now at least. testicles are returning to size already. yes, I measured them daily. Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2004 Report Share Posted August 16, 2004 Bob, are you doing IM injections or subcutaneouse? I do it with Sub, using the small 27G insulin syringes which are alot more accurate. My ampules only contain 1500ius to the ML, so your 5000 would be very difficult to manage at that dilution. I would get additional solution, so you have more volume to play with. Injecting subcutaneously is much easier if you are not already doing so. There might be a sterility issue if you put the excess back into the ampule. I load up three syringes from the mixed ampule of 1500ius and refrigerate the ones i havnt used that day. It supposed to fine for a few weeks mixed. I think you can get HCG in the US in a vial with a rubber top for the 5000iu amounts?... cant get it like that here in OZ, which would make it much easier to mix and store mixed. cheers. > > > > > I did the hcG test injection this morning. 5000 IUs IM. > After > > > > about > > > > > an hour I had a very stuffed up nose, felt light headed, and > a > > > > > little blury eyed. Does that mean it is working and getting > my > > > > > testosterone level through the roof, was expecting a spike 2 > > >hours > > > > > after the shot and a second one 48 hours later. > > > > > > > > > > I go for another blood draw on Monday. 72 hours after the > shot. > > >do > > > > > the 2nd shot Monday evening (1000 IUs SubQ. Then I go back > to > > >the > > > > > doc on Thursday to compare Wed and Mon Total T and Free T. > > > > > I am supposed to stay on 2 pkgs of androgel until then. Been > > > > doing > > > > > that since July 14th. > > > > > > > > > > Thursday we will discuss if 1000 IUs 2x a week (Monday > evening, > > > > > Friday Morning) is what I want to stay on for 5 weeks or if a > > > > > smaller dose 3x a week would work better. The goal is to > > >reverse > > > > > testicular atrophy. > > > > > > > > > > Assuming that things work out and my testicles get back to > > >normal > > > > > size or larger , the next step is to try clomid. > > > > > > > > > > My question is will clomid get your lh/fsh numbers up even if > > >you > > > > > stay on androgel. Have heard both answers from different > anti- > > > > aging > > > > > clinics. > > > > > > > > > > Bob > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2004 Report Share Posted August 27, 2004 I tried both hCG and Clomid and for me Clomid works much better. I think the key is to find the right long term dose. I also agree with Bob, that hCG suppresses h/p. Foreign LH or foreign T, what's the difference? It is still a replacement of your own production. > > I tried Clomid and didn't like it. Felt like I was on a drug. > > > > Also, Clomid works by blocking E2 (not by reducing it). Clomid blocks > > some aspects of E2 but not others. Doesn't sound very good long term to > > me. E2 is vital to your health. You need E2 as much as you need T. > > The key is balance. > > > > IMHO, Clomid is good as a diagnostic tool but that's about it. > > > > > > Thanks , > > I think others have posted that they didn't particularly like Clomid > even when it works in the total t sense. I am never sure why people > are so eager to use clomid over hcg. Perhaps it is just oral vs > injectible. > > Brad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2004 Report Share Posted August 27, 2004 What is your dose of clomid? I have read anywhere from 1/4 tab every other day to 2 tabs a day. I realize everyone is different, but trying to get a feel for the 'adverage' dose. I do plan on trying it after I stablize with the hcG. hope to stop the androgel all together if possible. Do you do any other TRT while doing the Clomid? Bob > > > I tried Clomid and didn't like it. Felt like I was on a drug. > > > > > > Also, Clomid works by blocking E2 (not by reducing it). Clomid > blocks > > > some aspects of E2 but not others. Doesn't sound very good long > term to > > > me. E2 is vital to your health. You need E2 as much as you need > T. > > > The key is balance. > > > > > > IMHO, Clomid is good as a diagnostic tool but that's about it. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks , > > > > I think others have posted that they didn't particularly like Clomid > > even when it works in the total t sense. I am never sure why people > > are so eager to use clomid over hcg. Perhaps it is just oral vs > > injectible. > > > > Brad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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