Re: Testosterone and nipples

[Guest guest]

This is amazing. Yes, I have experienced this as well. But, saying that, I

have been on replacement therapy for some time. I've noticed my nipples

actually have gotten somewhat bigger and much harder as well as sensitive.

Sensitive in a nice way.

nort828 <nort828@...> wrote:Anyone else experience this? When my

testosterone is low my nipples

are soft, when I slather on the right dosage of T gel, I notice they

get smaller and hard periodically through the day. I use this as a guide.

comments

norton

[Guest guest]

On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 18:36:27 -0000, you wrote:

>Anyone else experience this? When my testosterone is low my nipples

>are soft, when I slather on the right dosage of T gel, I notice they

>get smaller and hard periodically through the day. I use this as a guide.

>comments

To most of us the hard nipples and sensation there are indications of

higher E2 levels.

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Just another albino black sheep

[Guest guest]

That's interesting. I have my " E " level check frequently and it is never a

problem. I think the doctor gets tired of me asking him to check it, but

reading what I do on here makes me think I'm right in asking him to check them.

In my case, the E level is not a problem.

retrogrouch@... wrote:On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 18:36:27 -0000, you wrote:

>Anyone else experience this? When my testosterone is low my nipples

>are soft, when I slather on the right dosage of T gel, I notice they

>get smaller and hard periodically through the day. I use this as a guide.

>comments

To most of us the hard nipples and sensation there are indications of

higher E2 levels.

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Just another albino black sheep

[Guest guest]

Joe just to sure we are taling about the same thing it is not E the is the

problem it is E2(Estradiol). If you are having your Dr. check just E then you

don't know if your E2 is high. Also try taking some Zinc with Copper it helps

with keeping E2 down and is good for your testis.

Phil

Joe Balck <raven_man2003@...> wrote:

That's interesting. I have my " E " level check frequently and it is never a

problem. I think the doctor gets tired of me asking him to check it, but

reading what I do on here makes me think I'm right in asking him to check them.

In my case, the E level is not a problem.

retrogrouch@... wrote:On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 18:36:27 -0000, you wrote:

>Anyone else experience this? When my testosterone is low my nipples

>are soft, when I slather on the right dosage of T gel, I notice they

>get smaller and hard periodically through the day. I use this as a guide.

>comments

To most of us the hard nipples and sensation there are indications of

higher E2 levels.

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Just another albino black sheep

[Guest guest]

Phil, thanks for the reply. You were correct I was not talking about the same

thing. I don't know anything about E2. Maybe you can help me out with some

info. I take Zinc daily. I haven't had the shrinkage that others write about,

nor have I had clear semen, so maybe the zinc is helping. What do you think?

philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:Joe just to sure we are taling about

the same thing it is not E the is the problem it is E2(Estradiol). If you are

having your Dr. check just E then you don't know if your E2 is high. Also try

taking some Zinc with Copper it helps with keeping E2 down and is good for your

testis.

Phil

Joe Balck <raven_man2003@...> wrote:

That's interesting. I have my " E " level check frequently and it is never a

problem. I think the doctor gets tired of me asking him to check it, but

reading what I do on here makes me think I'm right in asking him to check them.

In my case, the E level is not a problem.

retrogrouch@... wrote:On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 18:36:27 -0000, you wrote:

>Anyone else experience this? When my testosterone is low my nipples

>are soft, when I slather on the right dosage of T gel, I notice they

>get smaller and hard periodically through the day. I use this as a guide.

>comments

To most of us the hard nipples and sensation there are indications of

higher E2 levels.

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Just another albino black sheep

[Guest guest]

Hi Joe yes I have some links and the Zinc does help. I also take Maca two 1/2

tsp / day.

http://www.rain-tree.com/maca.htm

http://www.smart-drugs.com/ias-estrogen.htm

http://www.lef.org/protocols/prtcl-130.shtml#too

http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle.do?article=150estro

Phil

Joe Balck <raven_man2003@...> wrote:

Phil, thanks for the reply. You were correct I was not talking about the same

thing. I don't know anything about E2. Maybe you can help me out with some

info. I take Zinc daily. I haven't had the shrinkage that others write about,

nor have I had clear semen, so maybe the zinc is helping. What do you think?

philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:Joe just to sure we are taling about

the same thing it is not E the is the problem it is E2(Estradiol). If you are

having your Dr. check just E then you don't know if your E2 is high. Also try

taking some Zinc with Copper it helps with keeping E2 down and is good for your

testis.

Phil

Joe Balck <raven_man2003@...> wrote:

That's interesting. I have my " E " level check frequently and it is never a

problem. I think the doctor gets tired of me asking him to check it, but

reading what I do on here makes me think I'm right in asking him to check them.

In my case, the E level is not a problem.

retrogrouch@... wrote:On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 18:36:27 -0000, you wrote:

>Anyone else experience this? When my testosterone is low my nipples

>are soft, when I slather on the right dosage of T gel, I notice they

>get smaller and hard periodically through the day. I use this as a guide.

>comments

To most of us the hard nipples and sensation there are indications of

higher E2 levels.

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Just another albino black sheep

[Guest guest]

Guys,

I've found an interesting phenomenon in my case regarding this

subject. The first week after getting the biweekly injection I didn't

notice too much with the nipples, and I didn't feel all that much

better. The second week my nipples seemed more sensitive and a little

more swollen than usual, but I felt much better. I had the second

shot two days ago, and my nipples seem less sensitive again. I think

i am still feeling better, although I've had to overdo things the last

couple days so i'm a bit wiped out. But I think I would have been

much more wiped out before starting TRT at the same activity level.

The only E2 test I ever had indicated E2 as less than 32. I'm

wondering by the above results if I had really low E2 in addition to

low T? After all, my nipples being puffy and sensitive corresponded

to me feeling better.

Mark

[Guest guest]

Hi Mark,

It's likely your E2 will go up with the T-cyp. Your last E2 test is history. I

think

you should have your levels tested about 4-5 weeks after starting injections,

that's what my doc did. My GUESS is it's presently too early to be experiencing

significant TRT-related E2 problems, but keep an eye on it.

Here's a SWAG theory on your interesting phenomenon: your T was dropping

off in the week before your 2nd shot, so the ratio of T to E2 was getting lower,

nipples thus more sensative. Your next shot boosted T, so the T:E2 ratio was

higher, thus nipples less sensative.

DO NOT OVERDO THINGS. Your CFS-like symptoms have kept you inactive

for a long time. Anyone who rapidly goes from inactivity to activity is likely

to

wind up flat on their ass.

Peace,

Bruce

> Guys,

>

> I've found an interesting phenomenon in my case regarding this

> subject. The first week after getting the biweekly injection I didn't

> notice too much with the nipples, and I didn't feel all that much

> better. The second week my nipples seemed more sensitive and a little

> more swollen than usual, but I felt much better. I had the second

> shot two days ago, and my nipples seem less sensitive again. I think

> i am still feeling better, although I've had to overdo things the last

> couple days so i'm a bit wiped out. But I think I would have been

> much more wiped out before starting TRT at the same activity level.

>

> The only E2 test I ever had indicated E2 as less than 32. I'm

> wondering by the above results if I had really low E2 in addition to

> low T? After all, my nipples being puffy and sensitive corresponded

> to me feeling better.

>

> Mark

[Guest guest]

On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 15:18:17 -0000, you wrote:

>The only E2 test I ever had indicated E2 as less than 32. I'm

>wondering by the above results if I had really low E2 in addition to

>low T? After all, my nipples being puffy and sensitive corresponded

>to me feeling better.

As E2 comes from conversion from testosterone, low testosterone will

often result in low E2. And its beginning to look like the bone

density issues from low T may actually stem to a large degree from

this fact. Studies show folks with high T but aromotase deficiencies

end up with low E2 and serious bone density issues.

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Just another albino black sheep

[Guest guest]

Bruce,

Good advice as usual.

I guess what I meant is that I wonder if I was feeling bad not just

from low T but from low E2 as well, since I started to really feel

better once my nipples got sensitive.

Mark

[Guest guest]

I'm guessing my endo was talking about the same studies you are when

she said it is being shown that men need E2 for several things,

including bone density.

Good to know she is up on some of the latest research. I really hope

she doesn't decide to leave town.

Mark

>

> As E2 comes from conversion from testosterone, low testosterone will

> often result in low E2. And its beginning to look like the bone

> density issues from low T may actually stem to a large degree from

> this fact. Studies show folks with high T but aromotase deficiencies

> end up with low E2 and serious bone density issues.

>

> - - - -

> Just another albino black sheep

[Guest guest]

On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:42:40 -0000, you wrote:

>I guess what I meant is that I wonder if I was feeling bad not just

>from low T but from low E2 as well, since I started to really feel

>better once my nipples got sensitive.

I think its when they start getting hard a lot that E2 has gone to

high, not just sensitive.

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Just another albino black sheep

[Guest guest]

Mark - always looking for a new doctor here. What town's your endo in, she

sounds good. In addition to my Testosterone issues, I have no THyroid

gland, so if I could get T and Th done by the same doc, it would be great.

If your doc's in Los Angeles area, could you post or email her name and

number?

Thanks.

Re: Testosterone and nipples

I'm guessing my endo was talking about the same studies you are when she

said it is being shown that men need E2 for several things, including bone

density.

Good to know she is up on some of the latest research. I really hope she

doesn't decide to leave town.

Mark

>

> As E2 comes from conversion from testosterone, low testosterone will

> often result in low E2. And its beginning to look like the bone

> density issues from low T may actually stem to a large degree from

> this fact. Studies show folks with high T but aromotase deficiencies

> end up with low E2 and serious bone density issues.

>

> - - - -

> Just another albino black sheep

[Guest guest]

You may want to check out this site, it lists a whole bunch of MD who

are also interested in anti aging, which maybe able to help.

www.worldhealth.net

> Mark - always looking for a new doctor here. What town's your endo

in, she

> sounds good. In addition to my Testosterone issues, I have no

THyroid

> gland, so if I could get T and Th done by the same doc, it would be

great.

>

> If your doc's in Los Angeles area, could you post or email her name

and

> number?

>

> Thanks.

>

> Re: Testosterone and nipples

>

> I'm guessing my endo was talking about the same studies you are

when she

> said it is being shown that men need E2 for several things,

including bone

> density.

>

> Good to know she is up on some of the latest research. I really

hope she

> doesn't decide to leave town.

>

> Mark

>

> >

> > As E2 comes from conversion from testosterone, low testosterone

will

> > often result in low E2. And its beginning to look like the bone

> > density issues from low T may actually stem to a large degree

from

> > this fact. Studies show folks with high T but aromotase

deficiencies

> > end up with low E2 and serious bone density issues.

> >

> > - - - -

> > Just another albino black sheep

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dave,

She's in Chicago. Not sure how good she is yet as I've only seen her

once and talked to her a few times. But she seems more knowledgable

than most docs. Although she's not doing E2 management yet, she

sounded open to looking at it if it becomes necessary.

Mark

> Mark - always looking for a new doctor here. What town's your endo

in, she

> sounds good. In addition to my Testosterone issues, I have no THyroid

> gland, so if I could get T and Th done by the same doc, it would be

great.

>

> If your doc's in Los Angeles area, could you post or email her name and

> number?

>

> Thanks.

>

[Guest guest]

Hardening nipples is more a sign of high e2 than high testosterone.

Chances are, you put on the gel, a bunch of it aromatises to e2 and

you are left with hard nipples. Have you had your e2 tested lately?

It doesn't necessarilly mean your e2 is getting out of control, but

it's important to keep an eye on it.

Armyguy

> Anyone else experience this? When my testosterone is low my

nipples

> are soft, when I slather on the right dosage of T gel, I notice

they

> get smaller and hard periodically through the day. I use this as

a guide.

> comments

> norton

[Guest guest]

Are we talking a total all the time hardening of the nipples, or hardening

from stimulation.

I'm not too embarrassed to admit that with a little stimulation from my

partner my nipples get hard and I enjoy it. But that's normal, nothing to

do with TRT or E2 levels, correct?

Re: Testosterone and nipples

Hardening nipples is more a sign of high e2 than high testosterone.

Chances are, you put on the gel, a bunch of it aromatises to e2 and you are

left with hard nipples. Have you had your e2 tested lately?

It doesn't necessarilly mean your e2 is getting out of control, but it's

important to keep an eye on it.

Armyguy

> Anyone else experience this? When my testosterone is low my

nipples

> are soft, when I slather on the right dosage of T gel, I notice

they

> get smaller and hard periodically through the day. I use this as

a guide.

> comments

> norton

[Guest guest]

When we talk about nipples and high E2 I have hard and sore nipples all the time

until I got my E2 down.

Phil

Dave <daultman@...> wrote:

Are we talking a total all the time hardening of the nipples, or hardening

from stimulation.

I'm not too embarrassed to admit that with a little stimulation from my

partner my nipples get hard and I enjoy it. But that's normal, nothing to

do with TRT or E2 levels, correct?

Re: Testosterone and nipples

Hardening nipples is more a sign of high e2 than high testosterone.

Chances are, you put on the gel, a bunch of it aromatises to e2 and you are

left with hard nipples. Have you had your e2 tested lately?

It doesn't necessarilly mean your e2 is getting out of control, but it's

important to keep an eye on it.

Armyguy

> Anyone else experience this? When my testosterone is low my

nipples

> are soft, when I slather on the right dosage of T gel, I notice

they

> get smaller and hard periodically through the day. I use this as

a guide.

> comments

> norton

[Guest guest]

Okay, like an ex-wife of mine when she was pregnant.

Re: Testosterone and nipples

Hardening nipples is more a sign of high e2 than high testosterone.

Chances are, you put on the gel, a bunch of it aromatises to e2 and you are

left with hard nipples. Have you had your e2 tested lately?

It doesn't necessarilly mean your e2 is getting out of control, but it's

important to keep an eye on it.

Armyguy

> Anyone else experience this? When my testosterone is low my

nipples

> are soft, when I slather on the right dosage of T gel, I notice

they

> get smaller and hard periodically through the day. I use this as

a guide.

> comments

> norton

[Guest guest]

Were talking hard itchy nipples with no stimulation. Nipples that

get very sensitive just rubbing against your shirt. Everybody's

nipples should get hard when stimulated... enjoy!

> > Anyone else experience this? When my testosterone is low my

> nipples

> > are soft, when I slather on the right dosage of T gel, I notice

> they

> > get smaller and hard periodically through the day. I use this as

> a guide.

> > comments

> > norton

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