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Hey , im not sure how the vasectomy has lowered your levels of

gonadotropins, especially FSH. Possibly the infection has caused

some problem. You need to see a specialist. I have read that it is

the negative feed back of E2 that inhibits secretion of FSH, whereas

testosterone exerts both direct and indirect(via aromatisation to E)

feedback on LH secretion. The only OTC supplement that you could try

is tribulus at 3-4 grams a day. However, clomid or nolvadex maybe

what the doctor may give you to stimulate your PIT to produce more

LH and FSH and thus T. Have your levels of semen also dropped

dramatically as well from the low FSH levels?

> Some new lab results. FSH is <0.30 (0.9-15.0), LH is 3.3 (1.3-

> 12.9), Prolactin is 5.0 (2.1-17.1).

>

> I have had borderline-low T and free T recently. I have had a

> vasectomy several years ago (six months before onset of ED) with a

> complication (infection). Could the low FSH be due to Vasectomy

> (i.e., testicles have been told to stop producing sperm since my

> body knows they can't be ejaculated?) Would this lead to ED? Is

> there anyway to use suppliments to boost FSH? Would it hurt me or

> my body to do so?

>

> Any help would be appreciated.

>

>

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Devo,

Most posters here talk about LH rather than FSH stimualtion due to

LH signals T production. Luckily, drugs/supplements that stimulate

LH usually also stimulate FSH. Having said that, good candidates for

stimulation are Clomid (a synthetic estrogen) and HCG. Supplements

include Tribulus Terresteria and Tongkat Ali. The AACE guidelines in

the file section describe the Clomid stimulation test. Also, Clomid

may cause eye problems so watch out. Hope that helps

Oh, and a... bye the way, wipe it good.

> Some new lab results. FSH is <0.30 (0.9-15.0), LH is 3.3 (1.3-

> 12.9), Prolactin is 5.0 (2.1-17.1).

>

> I have had borderline-low T and free T recently. I have had a

> vasectomy several years ago (six months before onset of ED) with a

> complication (infection). Could the low FSH be due to Vasectomy

> (i.e., testicles have been told to stop producing sperm since my

> body knows they can't be ejaculated?) Would this lead to ED? Is

> there anyway to use suppliments to boost FSH? Would it hurt me or

> my body to do so?

>

> Any help would be appreciated.

>

>

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Matt,

Hi, I too have low FSH. On two tests my FSH was a 2, with a range of 2-8. I

suspect that this could be a little higher or lower at certain times of the day.

My problem stems from a drug called propecia. The drug works by inhibiting the

alpha-5 reductace enzhyme (II) which converts t into dht. It was for stupid fn

hairloss.

My tests are very odd. my dht was 1.5 times the upper limit on the range; one

test. my lh was a 5 with a scale of 2-6, estrogen 130 (range <260) and total

testosterone was 16 adn then 19 on the second test (10.5-34.5). Oh yeah, and

my free T on one test was 54.3; scale of 31-94. Both tests were between 11am

and 12pm. But each time i wasn't outta bed for more than 1.5 hours before the

test.

I was intrigued what you said about estrogen messing up your fsh . I am in

canada and apparently the e2 tests are not as accurate to those performed in

quest.

This drug yoiu mention, tribulus. It's OTC, but how safe is it? I'd be

interested to trying that before i went ahead and tried something like clomid.

And do you think that my e2 could be what is messing me up? btw, i have

definitely lowered and clearer ejaculate.

mattmuscledude <simbarn@...> wrote:

Hey , im not sure how the vasectomy has lowered your levels of

gonadotropins, especially FSH. Possibly the infection has caused

some problem. You need to see a specialist. I have read that it is

the negative feed back of E2 that inhibits secretion of FSH, whereas

testosterone exerts both direct and indirect(via aromatisation to E)

feedback on LH secretion. The only OTC supplement that you could try

is tribulus at 3-4 grams a day. However, clomid or nolvadex maybe

what the doctor may give you to stimulate your PIT to produce more

LH and FSH and thus T. Have your levels of semen also dropped

dramatically as well from the low FSH levels?

> Some new lab results. FSH is <0.30 (0.9-15.0), LH is 3.3 (1.3-

> 12.9), Prolactin is 5.0 (2.1-17.1).

>

> I have had borderline-low T and free T recently. I have had a

> vasectomy several years ago (six months before onset of ED) with a

> complication (infection). Could the low FSH be due to Vasectomy

> (i.e., testicles have been told to stop producing sperm since my

> body knows they can't be ejaculated?) Would this lead to ED? Is

> there anyway to use suppliments to boost FSH? Would it hurt me or

> my body to do so?

>

> Any help would be appreciated.

>

>

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Hey TRL,

Yeah apparently propecia causes problems for some guys by

unbalancing all the hormones. lowering DHT increases testosterone

and thus increasing aromatase of T into E2... I have heard that some

people take arimidex with propecia to try and counteract this.

Some studies have revealed that that E2 is the predominant regulator

of FSH in the male. So perhaps it would be a good idea to get some

more tests to determine accuratly where you levels are for that.

Your measurments of your last test are in pmol/l or? I was confused

as to the range they gave you as im not familar with that one. As my

labs use pmol/l and there range is <150. When did you get those

results... as your DHT is high, obviously when you had stopped

propecia? The lowered ejaculate quantity is probably due to the low

FSH. I think LH stimulates more test production and FSH is definetly

more related to fertilty, so one would asumme that also encourages

the prostate to produce seminal fluid. I have done a a fair bit of

research on this as i had the same problem and wanted to know why.

Clomid has the apparent effect of greatly increasing ejaculate

levels, obviously because of its effects of blocking the E2 negative

feedback to the pituatary, signaling a need for more FSH secretion.

Tribulus has similar properties and can stimulate both FSH and LH,

the herb has a balancing action on the hypo axis and can be quite

effective for some guys in restoring that balance, however for some

it only works for a short period and then the body realises and

stops its influence. Check out www.tribestan.com.

> > Some new lab results. FSH is <0.30 (0.9-15.0), LH is 3.3 (1.3-

> > 12.9), Prolactin is 5.0 (2.1-17.1).

> >

> > I have had borderline-low T and free T recently. I have had a

> > vasectomy several years ago (six months before onset of ED) with

a

> > complication (infection). Could the low FSH be due to Vasectomy

> > (i.e., testicles have been told to stop producing sperm since my

> > body knows they can't be ejaculated?) Would this lead to ED?

Is

> > there anyway to use suppliments to boost FSH? Would it hurt me

or

> > my body to do so?

> >

> > Any help would be appreciated.

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

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Here is something to consider. If your LH is near top of the range, but your

T level is only midrange, then does that mean your leydig cells are producing

to the best of their ability? Afterall, isn't it common for primary

hypogonadal men to have high LH but low T - with the reason being their

testicles cannot

produce T and so the brain goes crazy in telling the testicles to produce T.

If that is the case, then you might have to accept the notion that you have

suffered permanent damage. I have had some similar labs in the past. I think

its possible that their might be a condition somewhere between secondary and

primary hypogonadal and I am at that point. Better luck to you.

In a message dated 7/20/2004 10:09:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

t_mech2003@... writes:

Matt,

Hi, I too have low FSH. On two tests my FSH was a 2, with a range of 2-8. I

suspect that this could be a little higher or lower at certain times of the

day. My problem stems from a drug called propecia. The drug works by

inhibiting the alpha-5 reductace enzhyme (II) which converts t into dht. It was

for

stupid fn hairloss.

My tests are very odd. my dht was 1.5 times the upper limit on the range;

one test. my lh was a 5 with a scale of 2-6, estrogen 130 (range <260) and

total testosterone was 16 adn then 19 on the second test (10.5-34.5). Oh yeah,

and my free T on one test was 54.3; scale of 31-94. Both tests were between

11am and 12pm. But each time i wasn't outta bed for more than 1.5 hours before

the test.

I was intrigued what you said about estrogen messing up your fsh . I am in

canada and apparently the e2 tests are not as accurate to those performed in

quest.

This drug yoiu mention, tribulus. It's OTC, but how safe is it? I'd be

interested to trying that before i went ahead and tried something like clomid.

And do you think that my e2 could be what is messing me up? btw, i have

definitely lowered and clearer ejaculate.

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I believe a drug called HMG (synthetic FSH?) is used to induce sperm

production.

In a message dated 7/19/2004 11:53:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

no_reply writes:

Devo,

Most posters here talk about LH rather than FSH stimualtion due to

LH signals T production. Luckily, drugs/supplements that stimulate

LH usually also stimulate FSH. Having said that, good candidates for

stimulation are Clomid (a synthetic estrogen) and HCG. Supplements

include Tribulus Terresteria and Tongkat Ali. The AACE guidelines in

the file section describe the Clomid stimulation test. Also, Clomid

may cause eye problems so watch out. Hope that helps

Oh, and a... bye the way, wipe it good.

> Some new lab results. FSH is <0.30 (0.9-15.0), LH is 3.3 (1.3-

> 12.9), Prolactin is 5.0 (2.1-17.1).

>

> I have had borderline-low T and free T recently. I have had a

> vasectomy several years ago (six months before onset of ED) with a

> complication (infection). Could the low FSH be due to Vasectomy

> (i.e., testicles have been told to stop producing sperm since my

> body knows they can't be ejaculated?) Would this lead to ED? Is

> there anyway to use suppliments to boost FSH? Would it hurt me or

> my body to do so?

>

> Any help would be appreciated.

>

>

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Possibly, however, I think you are forgeting that alot of males in

the population have testosterone levels around the mid range mark of

say 17-22 and that is perfectly healthy. That amount of natural

testosterone is doing the job its needed to... saying that he may

have suffered permanent damage with levels like that is questionable.

I am sure that most guys on this board would like to have test

levels in the upper range... however in reality that is not true to

nature. My converstions with doctors who have experience in testing

normal healthy guys and my own experience in having guys tested who

i train for fitness confirms this. So the fact that he has LH which

is ever so slightly high(within normal limits) and is producing 19

nmol/l is totally normal. His tests were done more towards midday,

so an early morning test would probably reveal a higher number.

However a high LH should rule out estrogen problems as you would

think that high E2 could lower LH levels significantly.

> Here is something to consider. If your LH is near top of the

range, but your

> T level is only midrange, then does that mean your leydig cells

are producing

> to the best of their ability? Afterall, isn't it common for

primary

> hypogonadal men to have high LH but low T - with the reason being

their testicles cannot

> produce T and so the brain goes crazy in telling the testicles to

produce T.

>

> If that is the case, then you might have to accept the notion that

you have

> suffered permanent damage. I have had some similar labs in the

past. I think

> its possible that their might be a condition somewhere between

secondary and

> primary hypogonadal and I am at that point. Better luck to you.

>

>

>

>

> In a message dated 7/20/2004 10:09:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

> t_mech2003@y... writes:

> Matt,

>

> Hi, I too have low FSH. On two tests my FSH was a 2, with a range

of 2-8. I

> suspect that this could be a little higher or lower at certain

times of the

> day. My problem stems from a drug called propecia. The drug

works by

> inhibiting the alpha-5 reductace enzhyme (II) which converts t

into dht. It was for

> stupid fn hairloss.

>

> My tests are very odd. my dht was 1.5 times the upper limit on

the range;

> one test. my lh was a 5 with a scale of 2-6, estrogen 130 (range

<260) and

> total testosterone was 16 adn then 19 on the second test (10.5-

34.5). Oh yeah,

> and my free T on one test was 54.3; scale of 31-94. Both tests

were between

> 11am and 12pm. But each time i wasn't outta bed for more than 1.5

hours before

> the test.

>

> I was intrigued what you said about estrogen messing up your

fsh . I am in

> canada and apparently the e2 tests are not as accurate to those

performed in

> quest.

>

> This drug yoiu mention, tribulus. It's OTC, but how safe is it?

I'd be

> interested to trying that before i went ahead and tried something

like clomid.

> And do you think that my e2 could be what is messing me up? btw,

i have

> definitely lowered and clearer ejaculate.

>

>

>

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Double,

Do you have more info on the drug?

Are you referring to HCG?

> > Some new lab results. FSH is <0.30 (0.9-15.0), LH is 3.3 (1.3-

> > 12.9), Prolactin is 5.0 (2.1-17.1).

> >

> > I have had borderline-low T and free T recently. I have had a

> > vasectomy several years ago (six months before onset of ED) with

a

> > complication (infection). Could the low FSH be due to Vasectomy

> > (i.e., testicles have been told to stop producing sperm since my

> > body knows they can't be ejaculated?) Would this lead to ED?

Is

> > there anyway to use suppliments to boost FSH? Would it hurt me

or

> > my body to do so?

> >

> > Any help would be appreciated.

> >

> >

>

>

>

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When I referred to HMG I was referring to a drug used to simulate FSH. I am

not sure its called HMG, but I believe that is the name. You can google it. I

would, but I am typing this message offline.

In a message dated 7/21/2004 10:06:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

no_reply writes:

Double,

Do you have more info on the drug?

Are you referring to HCG?

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