Guest guest Posted July 12, 2005 Report Share Posted July 12, 2005 No, your doctor is nuts. He clearly knows basically nothing about TRT. > I have been on androgel for two months now, and I found out today my situation is worse. My > testosterone level is continuing to drop, and my red blood cell levels have skyrocked! > > My endo now thinks i should still take 5g or androgel, and no more becausse of my RBC, or > maybe be taken off completely. > > I used to have a level of 800 a year ago. He told me TODAY that that is too high for someone > my age (I'm only 26!!!) and he thinks i should only be corrected to 400-500. I asked him > about the effects of low testosterone, he said there really are not any, and i may just have to > live with my sexual dysfunction! > > Am I nuts?!? or is this completely stupid! > > Forgive me ranting, but I'm very upset. I took the rest of the day off from work, because i'm > botherd by this so much. Now I need to find a new doctor, and we all know how hard this is, > while I wait and watch my situation deteriorate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2005 Report Share Posted July 13, 2005 If you can find a doctor who specializes in anti aging they'll know better. Also the reason your T levels may continue to drop is because by adding external T your natural production will stop, so initially you'll get a added, but you'll need more T to feel normal. I don't know enuff about the red blood cells to comment on it. > I have been on androgel for two months now, and I found out today my situation is worse. My > testosterone level is continuing to drop, and my red blood cell levels have skyrocked! > > My endo now thinks i should still take 5g or androgel, and no more becausse of my RBC, or > maybe be taken off completely. > > I used to have a level of 800 a year ago. He told me TODAY that that is too high for someone > my age (I'm only 26!!!) and he thinks i should only be corrected to 400-500. I asked him > about the effects of low testosterone, he said there really are not any, and i may just have to > live with my sexual dysfunction! > > Am I nuts?!? or is this completely stupid! > > Forgive me ranting, but I'm very upset. I took the rest of the day off from work, because i'm > botherd by this so much. Now I need to find a new doctor, and we all know how hard this is, > while I wait and watch my situation deteriorate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2005 Report Share Posted July 13, 2005 On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 17:21:42 -0000, you wrote: >I have been on androgel for two months now, and I found out today my situation is worse. My >testosterone level is continuing to drop, and my red blood cell levels have skyrocked! > >My endo now thinks i should still take 5g or androgel, and no more becausse of my RBC, or >maybe be taken off completely. > >I used to have a level of 800 a year ago. He told me TODAY that that is too high for someone >my age (I'm only 26!!!) and he thinks i should only be corrected to 400-500. I asked him >about the effects of low testosterone, he said there really are not any, and i may just have to >live with my sexual dysfunction! > >Am I nuts?!? or is this completely stupid! > >Forgive me ranting, but I'm very upset. I took the rest of the day off from work, because i'm >botherd by this so much. Now I need to find a new doctor, and we all know how hard this is, >while I wait and watch my situation deteriorate. Is higher T dealing with your dysfunction issues? How high is your hematocrit? Several of us give blood regularly to deal with that side effect of TRT. What are your numbers? Hematorcit, total T, free T, E2? - - - - Just another albino black sheep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2005 Report Share Posted July 13, 2005 On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 03:08:00 -0000, you wrote: >No, your doctor is nuts. > >He clearly knows basically nothing about TRT. Without knowing the hematocrit number I think that's a but strong. His levels may be so high as to put him at risk of stroke and death. Let's get the info first and base judgment on that. > >> I have been on androgel for two months now, and I found out today my >situation is worse. My >> testosterone level is continuing to drop, and my red blood cell >levels have skyrocked! >> >> My endo now thinks i should still take 5g or androgel, and no more >becausse of my RBC, or >> maybe be taken off completely. >> >> I used to have a level of 800 a year ago. He told me TODAY that that >is too high for someone >> my age (I'm only 26!!!) and he thinks i should only be corrected to >400-500. I asked him >> about the effects of low testosterone, he said there really are not >any, and i may just have to >> live with my sexual dysfunction! >> >> Am I nuts?!? or is this completely stupid! >> >> Forgive me ranting, but I'm very upset. I took the rest of the day >off from work, because i'm >> botherd by this so much. Now I need to find a new doctor, and we all >know how hard this is, >> while I wait and watch my situation deteriorate. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2005 Report Share Posted July 13, 2005 It's doubtful that his number would be such that he HAS to completely stop TRT. Donating blood - as many individuals do - may very wekk take care of his hematocrit levels. If his Endo is so sharp and his levels are so dangerous, why would his Endo state: " My endo now thinks i should still take 5g or androgel, and no more becausse of my RBC, or maybe be taken off completely. " Please read original message closely. It's either so dangerous that he needs to be taken off of TRT immediately, or it's borderline (why else tell him that he " might " be able to stay on 5 grams of AG)... OR his Endo is " nuts " (stupid). Your argument can't have it both ways. And... In neither case does the doctor raise the possibility of donating blood on a frequent basis as a means of reducing hematocrit levels. No, you don't always need the specific numbers to base judgement. I repeat... if his hematocrit levels were that dangerous then he should be stopped (with NO mention of continuing at 5 grams AG " possibly " )... and if his levels were borderline enough that he could possibly stay at 5 grams AG then a responsible Endo would have also advised on the option of donating blood and monitoring hematocrit to see where it went to from there.... Then - on top of that - he stated that he used to have a (Total T) level of 800 a year ago and that his Endo told him that those levels were too high for someone his age (and he's 26 for crting out loud) and that the Endo thought that his levels should only be 400-500. Now those ARE numbers upon which to base a judgement. I rest my case. Larry So, no, I don't think that it's a " bit strong " .... and would strongly encourage him to find another, hopefully better, TRT doctor. > >> I have been on androgel for two months now, and I found out today my > >situation is worse. My > >> testosterone level is continuing to drop, and my red blood cell > >levels have skyrocked! > >> > >> My endo now thinks i should still take 5g or androgel, and no more > >becausse of my RBC, or > >> maybe be taken off completely. > >> > >> I used to have a level of 800 a year ago. He told me TODAY that that > >is too high for someone > >> my age (I'm only 26!!!) and he thinks i should only be corrected to > >400-500. I asked him > >> about the effects of low testosterone, he said there really are not > >any, and i may just have to > >> live with my sexual dysfunction! > >> > >> Am I nuts?!? or is this completely stupid! > >> > >> Forgive me ranting, but I'm very upset. I took the rest of the day > >off from work, because i'm > >> botherd by this so much. Now I need to find a new doctor, and we all > >know how hard this is, > >> while I wait and watch my situation deteriorate. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2005 Report Share Posted July 13, 2005 I can't remember off the the top of my head, but I think the number was 17.5 for the blood count. I donated blood two weeks ago. I don't want to put my life to risk by taking too much testosterone, but I also need testosterone to live. It's almost like a double edged sword. Being 26 and having no sex life, is like death itself. (I know, I'm being a little dramatic) Since I have been on testosterone, my levels have gotten worse, not better. To me this is definatly not the way to go. This is not the only reason why I'm looking for a new doctor. The main reason why is because he feels that I should be ok at 400, when I was great at 800. That statement initself upsets me. And more so, with the statement that I should just accept it. One thing I have learned from this board is, I don't have to accept anything!! So I am being very agressive finding a new doctor. I talked to one that said he did not have a lot of experience, but would like to give it a shot. I shot him down. I taked to the medical assistant of another who said the doctor is currently treating several patitents with low testosterone. She is having the doctor call me this week to disscuss my situation. This has been my best lead so far. Needless to say, I am no longer going to wait and watch my life pass by... I'm going to beat this!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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