Re: Update: Straight Clomid for Hypo

[Guest guest]

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I think Dr. mentions in some of the articles that have been

posted here that your case is typical - most men he has seen don't see

the clinical improvement with the clomid. Search on the archives for

" current best thoughts " and his stuff should show up.

Mark

[Guest guest]

Hey Mark,

Thanks for the heads up. I did search and found the article. Here's

the clip:

I occasionally hear of physicians trying to use a SERM (Selective

Estrogen Receptor Modulator) such as Clomid or Nolvadex, or even an

Aromatase Inhibitor (AI), such as Arimidex, as sole " TRT " . All have

been shown to elevate LH, and therefore Total Testosterone levels.

However, patients report no long-term subjective benefits from these

strategies, and the studies thus far reported no long-term changes in

lean body mass, fatigue levels, libido, etc. An added risk of using an

AI is of driving estrogen levels too low, with deleterious

consequences for the lipid profile, calcium deposition, libido, etc.

That sucks I was wondering why i wasn't seeing ANY change after 6

months.

Hey Bruce, you've been seeing Dr Schwartz much longer then I, what do

you think the best way to approach him about this is?

Thanks again,

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> I think Dr. mentions in some of the articles that have been

> posted here that your case is typical - most men he has seen don't see

> the clinical improvement with the clomid. Search on the archives for

> " current best thoughts " and his stuff should show up.

>

> Mark

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

No improvement in any of the symptoms? No results after 6 months of

medication? Time to see the doc.

Bruce

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> Hey guys,

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> been a while since i've posted. I've been taking 100Mg's Clomid

> 3x/week for about 6 months now. I've had bloodwork done many times in

> this timeframe and my total T averages around 800.

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> The problem i'm having that i can see, is that nothing is improving.

> My T levels are up, but i am still having issues with growing facial

> hair, muscle strength, etc. Am i being over anxious and just not

> paitent or should i go see my doc again?

>

> Thanks!!

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[Guest guest]

Try this link it is from my Folders.

http://tinyurl.com/66q74

If is does not work go back to June last year. It was posted by tallen2_34 " My

Doctor's Current Best Thoughts on TRT.

Phil

mdw1000 <mdw1000@...> wrote:

,

I think Dr. mentions in some of the articles that have been

posted here that your case is typical - most men he has seen don't see

the clinical improvement with the clomid. Search on the archives for

" current best thoughts " and his stuff should show up.

Mark

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[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Simply call him, tell him the Clomid isn't working, and ask what the next step

is. I'm sure he doesn't want anyone to stay on an unhelpful treatment.

Are you averse to hCG? Dr. Schwartz told me he used it himself some years

back, and thought it worked well. He said he gave it up for two reasons: (1)

high cost (it was a lot more expensive in the past; he might not know it's less

expensive now), and (2) he got tired of the injections after a few years.

Do you have his email address? If not you can call the office and get it. You

could forward some of these posts on the Clomid problem.

Best,

Bruce

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> > I think Dr. mentions in some of the articles that have been

> > posted here that your case is typical - most men he has seen don't see

> > the clinical improvement with the clomid. Search on the archives for

> > " current best thoughts " and his stuff should show up.

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> > Mark

[Guest guest]

Hey Bruce,

Is he the type of Doctor that will take offense to me doing my own

work/research? I know the endo i saw before Dr. Schwartz did all but

bitch slap me when i started breaking out posts and documents i

printed to try to get him to realize my 385 total T was TOO low for my

age.

I'll have to do some reading on hcg. I've seen it discussed but never

really looked into it that much.

Thanks as always!

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> > > I think Dr. mentions in some of the articles that have been

> > > posted here that your case is typical - most men he has seen

don't see

> > > the clinical improvement with the clomid. Search on the

archives for

> > > " current best thoughts " and his stuff should show up.

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> > > Mark

[Guest guest]

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> > I think Dr. mentions in some of the articles that have been

> > posted here that your case is typical - most men he has seen don't see

> > the clinical improvement with the clomid. Search on the archives for

> > " current best thoughts " and his stuff should show up.

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> > Mark

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Ask him if he'll mind. I think it's most unlikely you'll offend him with your

own

research. I asked if I was overstepping once, and he replied he was open to

suggestions. If he was the same type as your last endo, he wouldn't be

treating you.

I suspect he'll be disappointed that the Clomid didn't help you, and he'll try

to

make it up by finding something that does.

I've never tried hCG. If you type it in the " search archives " box, you'll find

lots of

info. from people who have done the research and are using it now.

Peace,

Bruce

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> > > > I think Dr. mentions in some of the articles that have been

> > > > posted here that your case is typical - most men he has seen

> don't see

> > > > the clinical improvement with the clomid. Search on the

> archives for

> > > > " current best thoughts " and his stuff should show up.

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> > > > Mark

[Guest guest]

Well, thanks for at least validating Dr. Crisler's claim, but

it's too bad that here you are, six months later, still trying to find

proper treatment.

I haven't read your previous posts. If I might ask, are you opposed

to real testosterone replacement: daily Androgel or weekly

testosterone cypionate ?

If you haven't already, then you might want to read Dr. Crisler's

entire paper. He essentially suggests using Androgel or Testosterone

injections and then adding hCG to the regimen.

If you do sole hCG, then don't do more than 500 IU at a time. Higher

dosages are said to desensitize or even kill the leydig cells.

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> > I think Dr. mentions in some of the articles that have been

> > posted here that your case is typical - most men he has seen don't see

> > the clinical improvement with the clomid. Search on the archives for

> > " current best thoughts " and his stuff should show up.

> >

> > Mark

[Guest guest]

I am somewhat opposed to true TRT as i'm still quite young ~27 and am

attempting to start a family with my wife. Possibly further down the

road it won't be a big deal.

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> > > I think Dr. mentions in some of the articles that have been

> > > posted here that your case is typical - most men he has seen

don't see

> > > the clinical improvement with the clomid. Search on the

archives for

> > > " current best thoughts " and his stuff should show up.

> > >

> > > Mark