Guest guest Posted February 5, 2005 Report Share Posted February 5, 2005 On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 18:20:08 -0800 (PST), you wrote: > >Thanks Norton your math sounds good to me now if I could only get my Dr. to let me use more Testim like 5 grams more. I think it would be better then the shots. From what I have found out by talking to other men in the UK it is not the shot it is how high the levels are to stop the sore joints and muscles. When my levels went from 600 to 800 the pain was gone. I am walking again up to 45 min. a day. But the shots do convert into E2 fast I can live with this doing the Indolplex with DIM and when it gets to high taking an 1/4 of an Arimidex when needed. I don't know. SOre joints to me sounds like low E2. Are you doing arimidex , DIm, zinc etc with these extraordinary high levels? Perhaps you should cut back on T and stop arimidex. It sounds to me like you may be lowering aromotase so much that you need to push large volumes of T to get the necessary E2 levels to stop the pain. Could it be by cutting back T without arimidex you could get a fair T level and lower E2? - - - - Just another albino black sheep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 Hi, I agree the dosage is too high. This is the dosage according to Dr. Gambrell of Augusta, GA. He prescribes hormone pellets based on my 230 pound body weight which is a correct thing to do as the normal supply of T is shut down once TRT is started. Subtract 30 pounds from the total weight, and for each ten pounds of remaining weight, the patient should receive one 75mg pellet. As I get the max of 20 pellets or 1500mg you now have to divide the amount of days it takes for the pellets to dissolve which is typically 4 months. 1500mg divided by 122 days, it means you should will receive 12.3mg/day. ernestnolan > > Hi Phil, > I think the reason you think your estrogen is too high and causing > the symptoms is because, in my humble opinion, you are, regardless > of blood test results, pouring too much testosterone into your body > by doing both testim and depo shots. At 10mg of T a day from the > testim and some additonal 7mg of T a day on average from the shot > that is 17mg of T a day. That is a lot of T, too much in my opinion > and I am no expert of course, but my understanding is that it is in > the uppermost range of what a teenage male is producing, in other > words peak T. To complicate this, when you do a depo T shot you are > loading in the full dose all at once, and your body is so > immediately loaded with T from both the testim and the shot that it > just say this is too much T at one time and I am going to dump the > excess I can't handle, and of course it gets converted to E. > I really think you should just do the depo shot, one half of one cc > of a 200mg bottle a week, this is 100mg a week divided by seven days > equals 14mg of T a day. This is perfect is my opinion, and it > satisfies your and mine requirement that we both get more relief > from joint and soft tissue pain from the injection versus a skin > spread on, like Testim. Bottom line Phil, you are throwing so much T > into your body it is confused and dumping the excess. > norton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 > ...you and I both know shots seem to work > better at controlling our joint and soft tissue > pain, and testim or any other T delivery does NOT... Why would this be true? Do you have a scientific reference for this claim? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 > > ...you and I both know shots seem to work > > better at controlling our joint and soft tissue > > pain, and testim or any other T delivery does NOT... > > Why would this be true? Do you have a scientific reference for this > claim? --------------------------- No , I do not have any scientific studies or facts to back up this statement. However, it is my opinion from shooting depo T into my body for the last 32 years. If the medical community wants an expert opinion, they ought to call me. My theory is that Testosterone supplementation in the form of depo T shots is injecting a steroid into your body. Steroids are used in reduce inflamation and pain in many prescriptive pain medications. And when I compare trying androgel, compounded T gel, patch, etc they all do not have the effect injectable depo T does. I believe that the serum base of the depotestosterone also has some steroid effect. When I inject 100mg of depo, I gain five pounds in the next two days from water retention from the steroid effect. This compares to no weight gain at all doing patches, skin spread ons, etc. best norton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 > ---Hi Phil, here's how I see it. Bottom line is that T is T no > matter where you get it from. The individual delivery will > determine the effectiveness of you getting the right amount, whether > it is shots or patches or skin spread on stuff. But, T IS T... You're contradicting yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2005 Report Share Posted February 14, 2005 On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:16:54 -0000, you wrote: > >Hi Phil, >I think the reason you think your estrogen is too high and causing >the symptoms is because, in my humble opinion, you are, regardless >of blood test results, pouring too much testosterone into your body >by doing both testim and depo shots. That';s my sense too and what I was trying to get to. - - - - Just another albino black sheep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2005 Report Share Posted February 14, 2005 On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:41:15 -0800 (PST), you wrote: >This is were we disagree or do we, I have been keep a lin day plainer for years and have looked back to see what was I on when I had pain. It could very well be it is not what type of T we are on but the levels and the balance you have. When I was on shots if my levels went down for what ever reason my joints and muscles had pain I can go back 15 yrs. Then I was on a compounded cream and if my levels went down same thing I felt this first. Then on the patch I had this until my levels were high enough. So I can't say if it is the shot or the levels but it looks like the more I am looking into it it is the therapeutic level that takes away the pain. Even Earnest how is on pellets has levels over 800 and he claims if his go lower he has pain. Were your T levels so low they would have resulted in low E2 at the same time, keeping in mind E2 comes from T? I suspect for example that low E2 and E is why low T folks get osteoporosis. I do remember too though that you are a large man. Perhaps large doses are necessary for you, but your 1000 unit T levels also seem pretty high. I shoot for 750 myself. - - - - Just another albino black sheep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2005 Report Share Posted February 14, 2005 On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 00:40:17 -0000, you wrote: >When I inject 100mg of depo, I gain five pounds in the next two days >from water retention from the steroid effect. This compares to no >weight gain at all doing patches, skin spread ons, etc. I get this same thing from high E2. i know Arimidex is doing its thing when in 24 hours I drop five pounds. - - - - Just another albino black sheep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2007 Report Share Posted April 8, 2007 Hey who is posting what I post in that kind of format anyways what I was trying to say to philip is that I was unable to get in the site and order and I am not interested anymore anyways peace jack. In , " jack " <myhormonez@...> wrote: > > Welcome to the HormonalBalance.com Store! > what is with this site could not get it right or something and for > some reason I liked it but no go why do you know........... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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