Re: Reversing penile atrophy with androgel

[Guest guest]

I would think that it would increase DHT levels, but so would applying

it as directed. The skin of the scrotum is susposed to have more of

the enzyme that converts T into DHT than other skin, so you would

expect higher DHT levels if applied there. But that doesn't mean that

you will get faster or better results than by applying on the arms or

abdomen.

The body's tissues are capable of converting the bio-available T into

DHT, by increasing your T levels you will also be increasing the DHT

in your penis without burning it and drying out your skin.

Just my 2 cents. Hope it helps.

> Based on what I have read online, DHT is necessary for maitence of

penile size and

> sensitivity. If one has atrophy, would putting androgel on the penis

increase DHT levels, and

> reverse the atrophy and reduced sensation. I realise a few people

also have said that putting

> androgel on the penis can cause a buring sensation. I for one would

be willing to put up with

> it if I restore my penis to what it once was.

>

> Any thoughts?

[Guest guest]

I have done this and it drove my DHT up to high 3x's to high. Your DHT will go

up on Andorgel in time and go high. It could be that your problem is from you

E2 Estradiol being to high. I had bad ED and could not reach an orgasm from my

E2 being to high. I had this problem for over 10 yrs. Now I am working like I

did when I was 20 and I am now 61 but still need to use Cialis 20 mg. every 72

hrs. I can have sex with out it but it is not as hard.

Phil

deltaguy99 <no_reply > wrote:

Based on what I have read online, DHT is necessary for maitence of penile size

and

sensitivity. If one has atrophy, would putting androgel on the penis increase

DHT levels, and

reverse the atrophy and reduced sensation. I realise a few people also have said

that putting

androgel on the penis can cause a buring sensation. I for one would be willing

to put up with

it if I restore my penis to what it once was.

Any thoughts?

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[Guest guest]

So I should just give it time then?

[Guest guest]

Yes give it time it is on your side. It took a long time to get like this so

let time give it back to you. Don't do anything your Dr. does not know about.

Phil

deltaguy99 <no_reply > wrote:

So I should just give it time then?

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[Guest guest]

Whilst I agree with your sentiments I am not convinced this is the way

forward. Isn't it Gene who mentions the T cream which sounds better and more

satisfying than a raw red possibly painful penis from the Gels?

However, you raise both an important and interesting topic to most of us.

Many years ago when I was first on TRT a US guy made contact as he had not

been diagnosed with HG but felt he had a problem. He did in deed have a

problem and T injections returned much of his function. However, he bought a

vacuum pump and this help with the size and firmness combined with TRT.

Another point we have discussed before is that penis size and firmness is

not just related to T and hormones but also blood supply and hydraulics.

Have you or other members here tried a pump? I'm not sure if a vacuum

cleaner counts but perhaps more have tried that than a pump :-)!

Best wishes

_________________________________________

Randle

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Reversing penile atrophy with androgel

> Based on what I have read online, DHT is necessary for maitence of penile

> size and

> sensitivity. If one has atrophy, would putting androgel on the penis

> increase DHT levels, and

> reverse the atrophy and reduced sensation. I realise a few people also

> have said that putting

> androgel on the penis can cause a buring sensation. I for one would be

> willing to put up with

> it if I restore my penis to what it once was.

>

> Any thoughts?

>

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>

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[Guest guest]

I'd hate to have to rely on Androgel to pump up any atrophied genitalia -- ouch!

Thankfully, I have not experienced any atrophy of any kind and the compounding

pharmacy T-cream I use doesn't burn, it just helps makes me horny as a goat.

Randle <peter_randle@...> wrote:

Whilst I agree with your sentiments I am not convinced this is the way

forward. Isn't it Gene who mentions the T cream which sounds better and more

satisfying than a raw red possibly painful penis from the Gels?

However, you raise both an important and interesting topic to most of us.

Many years ago when I was first on TRT a US guy made contact as he had not

been diagnosed with HG but felt he had a problem. He did in deed have a

problem and T injections returned much of his function. However, he bought a

vacuum pump and this help with the size and firmness combined with TRT.

Another point we have discussed before is that penis size and firmness is

not just related to T and hormones but also blood supply and hydraulics.

Have you or other members here tried a pump? I'm not sure if a vacuum

cleaner counts but perhaps more have tried that than a pump :-)!

Best wishes

_________________________________________

Randle

_________________________________________

Reversing penile atrophy with androgel

> Based on what I have read online, DHT is necessary for maitence of penile

> size and

> sensitivity. If one has atrophy, would putting androgel on the penis

> increase DHT levels, and

> reverse the atrophy and reduced sensation. I realise a few people also

> have said that putting

> androgel on the penis can cause a buring sensation. I for one would be

> willing to put up with

> it if I restore my penis to what it once was.

>

> Any thoughts?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I think my main concern is " Is penile atrophy reversable with testosterone

replacement? " Am I

holding on to false hopes or do I have a good chance or returning to my normal

or close to

normal size. The same for sensitivity. Do most people see an increase in

sensitivity of there

penis when they begin testosterone treatments?

[Guest guest]

" the compounding pharmacy T-cream I use doesn't burn, it just helps makes me

horny as a goat. "

:-) You are making us jealous if not slightly horny!

Still cannot get T cream in UK from my contact so far.

Good grazing!

_________________________________________

Randle

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Reversing penile atrophy with androgel

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>

>> Based on what I have read online, DHT is necessary for maitence of penile

>> size and

>> sensitivity. If one has atrophy, would putting androgel on the penis

>> increase DHT levels, and

>> reverse the atrophy and reduced sensation. I realise a few people also

>> have said that putting

>> androgel on the penis can cause a buring sensation. I for one would be

>> willing to put up with

>> it if I restore my penis to what it once was.

>>

>> Any thoughts?

>>

>>

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>>

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[Guest guest]

Hey, I want to be horney as a goat too!. I use PROG 4/TEST5MG cream and has

been rubbing it into my shoulders, mabye I have been hitting the wrong spot.

Do you need to wash it off before having sex? My wife might not be too happy

if I made her irritated instead of satisfied.

Gene Bowhay <genebowhay@...> wrote:I'd hate to have to rely on Androgel

to pump up any atrophied genitalia -- ouch! Thankfully, I have not experienced

any atrophy of any kind and the compounding pharmacy T-cream I use doesn't burn,

it just helps makes me horny as a goat.

Randle <peter_randle@...> wrote:

Whilst I agree with your sentiments I am not convinced this is the way

forward. Isn't it Gene who mentions the T cream which sounds better and more

satisfying than a raw red possibly painful penis from the Gels?

However, you raise both an important and interesting topic to most of us.

Many years ago when I was first on TRT a US guy made contact as he had not

been diagnosed with HG but felt he had a problem. He did in deed have a

problem and T injections returned much of his function. However, he bought a

vacuum pump and this help with the size and firmness combined with TRT.

Another point we have discussed before is that penis size and firmness is

not just related to T and hormones but also blood supply and hydraulics.

Have you or other members here tried a pump? I'm not sure if a vacuum

cleaner counts but perhaps more have tried that than a pump :-)!

Best wishes

_________________________________________

Randle

_________________________________________

Reversing penile atrophy with androgel

> Based on what I have read online, DHT is necessary for maitence of penile

> size and

> sensitivity. If one has atrophy, would putting androgel on the penis

> increase DHT levels, and

> reverse the atrophy and reduced sensation. I realise a few people also

> have said that putting

> androgel on the penis can cause a buring sensation. I for one would be

> willing to put up with

> it if I restore my penis to what it once was.

>

> Any thoughts?

>

>

>

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>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hey :

I rub the T-cream my doctor prescribed for me into my upper thighs and my balls

as my doctor directed me to. I wait 3 hours for the cream to be absorbed into

me before sex. DO NOT EVER WASH IT OFF!!! It took about a month and a half

before I started feeling like my dirty ol' man self again but, when I did regain

my libido, I started screwin and I ain't never looked back -- my nympho wife

won't let me.

Best Regards,

Gene

Reversing penile atrophy with androgel

> Based on what I have read online, DHT is necessary for maitence of penile

> size and

> sensitivity. If one has atrophy, would putting androgel on the penis

> increase DHT levels, and

> reverse the atrophy and reduced sensation. I realise a few people also

> have said that putting

> androgel on the penis can cause a buring sensation. I for one would be

> willing to put up with

> it if I restore my penis to what it once was.

>

> Any thoughts?

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Thanks ! Love that " grazing " so I will continue to " graze on.... " into

the sunset. Best to you, Gene

Reversing penile atrophy with androgel

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>> Based on what I have read online, DHT is necessary for maitence of penile

>> size and

>> sensitivity. If one has atrophy, would putting androgel on the penis

>> increase DHT levels, and

>> reverse the atrophy and reduced sensation. I realise a few people also

>> have said that putting

>> androgel on the penis can cause a buring sensation. I for one would be

>> willing to put up with

>> it if I restore my penis to what it once was.

>>

>> Any thoughts?

>>

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[Guest guest]

> I think my main concern is " Is penile atrophy reversable with

testosterone replacement? " Am I

> holding on to false hopes or do I have a good chance or returning to

my normal or close to

> normal size. The same for sensitivity. Do most people see an

increase in sensitivity of there

> penis when they begin testosterone treatments?

Here's my two cents worth:

I had lost some length (about 3/4 " ) from my teenage size. I guess we

all knew exatlty how long it got when we were boys. Anyway, it had

been almost 20 years since I had measured and I was really surprised

when I discovered that it had decreased. I didn't know it could loose

length when fully errect. TRT did help... errections became harder

and as a result longer and fuller. But, using a pump I have regained

what I had lost. I don't know if using T cream or gel directly on the

penis and scrotum will make it grow.... but there are other things

that you can try and... give it time... I didn't shrink over night

and it probably will not return to the original size that quickly

either.

Good Luck!

[Guest guest]

For Deltaguy99=

I've never experienced any atrophy of any kind before ED and certainly none

after starting TRT. When ED hit, I did lose penile sensitivity but about a

month and a half after I began using compounding pharmacy testosterone my libido

came back FULL FORCE and penile sensitivity was better than ever.

This was just MY experience, others may have a different story to tell.

Hope this helps.

Best Regards,

Gene

deltaguy99 <no_reply > wrote:

I think my main concern is " Is penile atrophy reversable with testosterone

replacement? " Am I

holding on to false hopes or do I have a good chance or returning to my normal

or close to

normal size. The same for sensitivity. Do most people see an increase in

sensitivity of there

penis when they begin testosterone treatments?

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[Guest guest]

Yes and No when I first started on TRT my libido came back like a bull and

stayed strong for over 5 yrs. Then when I hit 50 I came down with bad ED, could

not reach an orgasm and was unable to have sex with my wife for 10 yrs. This is

caused by my T meds converting into E2 Estradiol when I read about it last year

and had it tested I was very high. And when I got it back down my ED got better

and I could have an orgasm again. So now I am 60 and feel like I was 20 when it

comes to sex. So it is all about balance.

Phil

deltaguy99 <no_reply > wrote:

I think my main concern is " Is penile atrophy reversable with testosterone

replacement? " Am I

holding on to false hopes or do I have a good chance or returning to my normal

or close to

normal size. The same for sensitivity. Do most people see an increase in

sensitivity of there

penis when they begin testosterone treatments?

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[Guest guest]

Hi Deltaguy

You have got to the stage of asking " How long is a piece of string " in my

view although I totally understand your concerns and interests - most of us

share that.

If you notices some penile shrinkage as part of your HG than there should be

hope that TRT should restore your hormone levels, health and thereby penile

length as before. However if during your illness of HG you have suffered

vascular damage or other in the penis then you may well not be so lucky.

Remind me: has your Total T been restored to a good level now? How long is

it since you noticed the " penile shrinkage " ? In your opinion - assuming you

do not have a diary of penile length ! - how much less is there. Is it

length or girth or both?

Personally I can testify that when my hormone levels returned before my

penile length returned. As my T and other hormones went hypo again so did my

penis shrink. I expect when my hormone levels are restored so will my length

" with some practice " . You have to work out to build muscles :-)

Take care

_________________________________________

Randle

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Re: Reversing penile atrophy with androgel

>I think my main concern is " Is penile atrophy reversable with testosterone

>replacement? " Am I

> holding on to false hopes or do I have a good chance or returning to my

> normal or close to

> normal size. The same for sensitivity. Do most people see an increase in

> sensitivity of there

> penis when they begin testosterone treatments?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Well said !

> Hi Deltaguy

>

> You have got to the stage of asking " How long is a piece of

string " in my

> view although I totally understand your concerns and interests -

most of us

> share that.

>

> If you notices some penile shrinkage as part of your HG than there

should be

> hope that TRT should restore your hormone levels, health and

thereby penile

> length as before. However if during your illness of HG you have

suffered

> vascular damage or other in the penis then you may well not be so

lucky.

>

> Remind me: has your Total T been restored to a good level now? How

long is

> it since you noticed the " penile shrinkage " ? In your opinion -

assuming you

> do not have a diary of penile length ! - how much less is there.

Is it

> length or girth or both?

>

> Personally I can testify that when my hormone levels returned

before my

> penile length returned. As my T and other hormones went hypo again

so did my

> penis shrink. I expect when my hormone levels are restored so will

my length

> " with some practice " . You have to work out to build muscles :-)

>

> Take care

>

>

> _________________________________________

> Randle

> _________________________________________

> Re: Reversing penile atrophy with androgel

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>

> >I think my main concern is " Is penile atrophy reversable with

testosterone

> >replacement? " Am I

> > holding on to false hopes or do I have a good chance or

returning to my

> > normal or close to

> > normal size. The same for sensitivity. Do most people see an

increase in

> > sensitivity of there

> > penis when they begin testosterone treatments?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I just started Androgel this week, so I doubt I have been normalized yet. I

noticed significant

shrinkage about a year ago. Expecially when flacid.

[Guest guest]

Hi Deltaguy

Good morning from England!

OK. I think it needs measurement of errection not flaccid. I understand

there is a long history of measuring penile length. I read once of the work

of Foreign Legion " medics " in the ca 14th Century measuring the guys penises

and using fingers as the unit! I have also when I was a Compuserve customer

ca 1990s seen a USA comprehensive guideline to official measuring of a

penis. When to measure from etc etc. Simply measure the same way each time

will allow you to find out.

For example measure erect for girth about half way each time. For length on

top of the shaft not pushing to hard into your skin/fat. If you want to be

more academic it might make a difference just before an orgasm than just at

the start of an errection but I imagine this would not be a vast size

change. If you want to see if you compare with the foreign legion guys it is

published and quite possibly on the Internet!

Take care

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Randle

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Re: Reversing penile atrophy with androgel

>I just started Androgel this week, so I doubt I have been normalized yet. I

>noticed significant

> shrinkage about a year ago. Expecially when flacid.

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