Guest guest Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 I would think that it would increase DHT levels, but so would applying it as directed. The skin of the scrotum is susposed to have more of the enzyme that converts T into DHT than other skin, so you would expect higher DHT levels if applied there. But that doesn't mean that you will get faster or better results than by applying on the arms or abdomen. The body's tissues are capable of converting the bio-available T into DHT, by increasing your T levels you will also be increasing the DHT in your penis without burning it and drying out your skin. Just my 2 cents. Hope it helps. > Based on what I have read online, DHT is necessary for maitence of penile size and > sensitivity. If one has atrophy, would putting androgel on the penis increase DHT levels, and > reverse the atrophy and reduced sensation. I realise a few people also have said that putting > androgel on the penis can cause a buring sensation. I for one would be willing to put up with > it if I restore my penis to what it once was. > > Any thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 I have done this and it drove my DHT up to high 3x's to high. Your DHT will go up on Andorgel in time and go high. It could be that your problem is from you E2 Estradiol being to high. I had bad ED and could not reach an orgasm from my E2 being to high. I had this problem for over 10 yrs. Now I am working like I did when I was 20 and I am now 61 but still need to use Cialis 20 mg. every 72 hrs. I can have sex with out it but it is not as hard. Phil deltaguy99 <no_reply > wrote: Based on what I have read online, DHT is necessary for maitence of penile size and sensitivity. If one has atrophy, would putting androgel on the penis increase DHT levels, and reverse the atrophy and reduced sensation. I realise a few people also have said that putting androgel on the penis can cause a buring sensation. I for one would be willing to put up with it if I restore my penis to what it once was. Any thoughts? --------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 So I should just give it time then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 Yes give it time it is on your side. It took a long time to get like this so let time give it back to you. Don't do anything your Dr. does not know about. Phil deltaguy99 <no_reply > wrote: So I should just give it time then? --------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 Whilst I agree with your sentiments I am not convinced this is the way forward. Isn't it Gene who mentions the T cream which sounds better and more satisfying than a raw red possibly painful penis from the Gels? However, you raise both an important and interesting topic to most of us. Many years ago when I was first on TRT a US guy made contact as he had not been diagnosed with HG but felt he had a problem. He did in deed have a problem and T injections returned much of his function. However, he bought a vacuum pump and this help with the size and firmness combined with TRT. Another point we have discussed before is that penis size and firmness is not just related to T and hormones but also blood supply and hydraulics. Have you or other members here tried a pump? I'm not sure if a vacuum cleaner counts but perhaps more have tried that than a pump :-)! Best wishes _________________________________________ Randle _________________________________________ Reversing penile atrophy with androgel > Based on what I have read online, DHT is necessary for maitence of penile > size and > sensitivity. If one has atrophy, would putting androgel on the penis > increase DHT levels, and > reverse the atrophy and reduced sensation. I realise a few people also > have said that putting > androgel on the penis can cause a buring sensation. I for one would be > willing to put up with > it if I restore my penis to what it once was. > > Any thoughts? > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 I'd hate to have to rely on Androgel to pump up any atrophied genitalia -- ouch! Thankfully, I have not experienced any atrophy of any kind and the compounding pharmacy T-cream I use doesn't burn, it just helps makes me horny as a goat. Randle <peter_randle@...> wrote: Whilst I agree with your sentiments I am not convinced this is the way forward. Isn't it Gene who mentions the T cream which sounds better and more satisfying than a raw red possibly painful penis from the Gels? However, you raise both an important and interesting topic to most of us. Many years ago when I was first on TRT a US guy made contact as he had not been diagnosed with HG but felt he had a problem. He did in deed have a problem and T injections returned much of his function. However, he bought a vacuum pump and this help with the size and firmness combined with TRT. Another point we have discussed before is that penis size and firmness is not just related to T and hormones but also blood supply and hydraulics. Have you or other members here tried a pump? I'm not sure if a vacuum cleaner counts but perhaps more have tried that than a pump :-)! Best wishes _________________________________________ Randle _________________________________________ Reversing penile atrophy with androgel > Based on what I have read online, DHT is necessary for maitence of penile > size and > sensitivity. If one has atrophy, would putting androgel on the penis > increase DHT levels, and > reverse the atrophy and reduced sensation. I realise a few people also > have said that putting > androgel on the penis can cause a buring sensation. I for one would be > willing to put up with > it if I restore my penis to what it once was. > > Any thoughts? > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2005 Report Share Posted May 27, 2005 I think my main concern is " Is penile atrophy reversable with testosterone replacement? " Am I holding on to false hopes or do I have a good chance or returning to my normal or close to normal size. The same for sensitivity. Do most people see an increase in sensitivity of there penis when they begin testosterone treatments? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2005 Report Share Posted May 27, 2005 " the compounding pharmacy T-cream I use doesn't burn, it just helps makes me horny as a goat. " :-) You are making us jealous if not slightly horny! Still cannot get T cream in UK from my contact so far. Good grazing! _________________________________________ Randle _________________________________________ Reversing penile atrophy with androgel > > >> Based on what I have read online, DHT is necessary for maitence of penile >> size and >> sensitivity. If one has atrophy, would putting androgel on the penis >> increase DHT levels, and >> reverse the atrophy and reduced sensation. I realise a few people also >> have said that putting >> androgel on the penis can cause a buring sensation. I for one would be >> willing to put up with >> it if I restore my penis to what it once was. >> >> Any thoughts? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2005 Report Share Posted May 27, 2005 Hey, I want to be horney as a goat too!. I use PROG 4/TEST5MG cream and has been rubbing it into my shoulders, mabye I have been hitting the wrong spot. Do you need to wash it off before having sex? My wife might not be too happy if I made her irritated instead of satisfied. Gene Bowhay <genebowhay@...> wrote:I'd hate to have to rely on Androgel to pump up any atrophied genitalia -- ouch! Thankfully, I have not experienced any atrophy of any kind and the compounding pharmacy T-cream I use doesn't burn, it just helps makes me horny as a goat. Randle <peter_randle@...> wrote: Whilst I agree with your sentiments I am not convinced this is the way forward. Isn't it Gene who mentions the T cream which sounds better and more satisfying than a raw red possibly painful penis from the Gels? However, you raise both an important and interesting topic to most of us. Many years ago when I was first on TRT a US guy made contact as he had not been diagnosed with HG but felt he had a problem. He did in deed have a problem and T injections returned much of his function. However, he bought a vacuum pump and this help with the size and firmness combined with TRT. Another point we have discussed before is that penis size and firmness is not just related to T and hormones but also blood supply and hydraulics. Have you or other members here tried a pump? I'm not sure if a vacuum cleaner counts but perhaps more have tried that than a pump :-)! Best wishes _________________________________________ Randle _________________________________________ Reversing penile atrophy with androgel > Based on what I have read online, DHT is necessary for maitence of penile > size and > sensitivity. If one has atrophy, would putting androgel on the penis > increase DHT levels, and > reverse the atrophy and reduced sensation. I realise a few people also > have said that putting > androgel on the penis can cause a buring sensation. I for one would be > willing to put up with > it if I restore my penis to what it once was. > > Any thoughts? > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2005 Report Share Posted May 27, 2005 Hey : I rub the T-cream my doctor prescribed for me into my upper thighs and my balls as my doctor directed me to. I wait 3 hours for the cream to be absorbed into me before sex. DO NOT EVER WASH IT OFF!!! It took about a month and a half before I started feeling like my dirty ol' man self again but, when I did regain my libido, I started screwin and I ain't never looked back -- my nympho wife won't let me. Best Regards, Gene Reversing penile atrophy with androgel > Based on what I have read online, DHT is necessary for maitence of penile > size and > sensitivity. If one has atrophy, would putting androgel on the penis > increase DHT levels, and > reverse the atrophy and reduced sensation. I realise a few people also > have said that putting > androgel on the penis can cause a buring sensation. I for one would be > willing to put up with > it if I restore my penis to what it once was. > > Any thoughts? > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2005 Report Share Posted May 27, 2005 Thanks ! Love that " grazing " so I will continue to " graze on.... " into the sunset. Best to you, Gene Reversing penile atrophy with androgel > > >> Based on what I have read online, DHT is necessary for maitence of penile >> size and >> sensitivity. If one has atrophy, would putting androgel on the penis >> increase DHT levels, and >> reverse the atrophy and reduced sensation. I realise a few people also >> have said that putting >> androgel on the penis can cause a buring sensation. I for one would be >> willing to put up with >> it if I restore my penis to what it once was. >> >> Any thoughts? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2005 Report Share Posted May 27, 2005 > I think my main concern is " Is penile atrophy reversable with testosterone replacement? " Am I > holding on to false hopes or do I have a good chance or returning to my normal or close to > normal size. The same for sensitivity. Do most people see an increase in sensitivity of there > penis when they begin testosterone treatments? Here's my two cents worth: I had lost some length (about 3/4 " ) from my teenage size. I guess we all knew exatlty how long it got when we were boys. Anyway, it had been almost 20 years since I had measured and I was really surprised when I discovered that it had decreased. I didn't know it could loose length when fully errect. TRT did help... errections became harder and as a result longer and fuller. But, using a pump I have regained what I had lost. I don't know if using T cream or gel directly on the penis and scrotum will make it grow.... but there are other things that you can try and... give it time... I didn't shrink over night and it probably will not return to the original size that quickly either. Good Luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2005 Report Share Posted May 27, 2005 For Deltaguy99= I've never experienced any atrophy of any kind before ED and certainly none after starting TRT. When ED hit, I did lose penile sensitivity but about a month and a half after I began using compounding pharmacy testosterone my libido came back FULL FORCE and penile sensitivity was better than ever. This was just MY experience, others may have a different story to tell. Hope this helps. Best Regards, Gene deltaguy99 <no_reply > wrote: I think my main concern is " Is penile atrophy reversable with testosterone replacement? " Am I holding on to false hopes or do I have a good chance or returning to my normal or close to normal size. The same for sensitivity. Do most people see an increase in sensitivity of there penis when they begin testosterone treatments? --------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2005 Report Share Posted May 27, 2005 Yes and No when I first started on TRT my libido came back like a bull and stayed strong for over 5 yrs. Then when I hit 50 I came down with bad ED, could not reach an orgasm and was unable to have sex with my wife for 10 yrs. This is caused by my T meds converting into E2 Estradiol when I read about it last year and had it tested I was very high. And when I got it back down my ED got better and I could have an orgasm again. So now I am 60 and feel like I was 20 when it comes to sex. So it is all about balance. Phil deltaguy99 <no_reply > wrote: I think my main concern is " Is penile atrophy reversable with testosterone replacement? " Am I holding on to false hopes or do I have a good chance or returning to my normal or close to normal size. The same for sensitivity. Do most people see an increase in sensitivity of there penis when they begin testosterone treatments? --------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2005 Report Share Posted May 27, 2005 Hi Deltaguy You have got to the stage of asking " How long is a piece of string " in my view although I totally understand your concerns and interests - most of us share that. If you notices some penile shrinkage as part of your HG than there should be hope that TRT should restore your hormone levels, health and thereby penile length as before. However if during your illness of HG you have suffered vascular damage or other in the penis then you may well not be so lucky. Remind me: has your Total T been restored to a good level now? How long is it since you noticed the " penile shrinkage " ? In your opinion - assuming you do not have a diary of penile length ! - how much less is there. Is it length or girth or both? Personally I can testify that when my hormone levels returned before my penile length returned. As my T and other hormones went hypo again so did my penis shrink. I expect when my hormone levels are restored so will my length " with some practice " . You have to work out to build muscles :-) Take care _________________________________________ Randle _________________________________________ Re: Reversing penile atrophy with androgel >I think my main concern is " Is penile atrophy reversable with testosterone >replacement? " Am I > holding on to false hopes or do I have a good chance or returning to my > normal or close to > normal size. The same for sensitivity. Do most people see an increase in > sensitivity of there > penis when they begin testosterone treatments? > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2005 Report Share Posted May 27, 2005 Well said ! > Hi Deltaguy > > You have got to the stage of asking " How long is a piece of string " in my > view although I totally understand your concerns and interests - most of us > share that. > > If you notices some penile shrinkage as part of your HG than there should be > hope that TRT should restore your hormone levels, health and thereby penile > length as before. However if during your illness of HG you have suffered > vascular damage or other in the penis then you may well not be so lucky. > > Remind me: has your Total T been restored to a good level now? How long is > it since you noticed the " penile shrinkage " ? In your opinion - assuming you > do not have a diary of penile length ! - how much less is there. Is it > length or girth or both? > > Personally I can testify that when my hormone levels returned before my > penile length returned. As my T and other hormones went hypo again so did my > penis shrink. I expect when my hormone levels are restored so will my length > " with some practice " . You have to work out to build muscles :-) > > Take care > > > _________________________________________ > Randle > _________________________________________ > Re: Reversing penile atrophy with androgel > > > >I think my main concern is " Is penile atrophy reversable with testosterone > >replacement? " Am I > > holding on to false hopes or do I have a good chance or returning to my > > normal or close to > > normal size. The same for sensitivity. Do most people see an increase in > > sensitivity of there > > penis when they begin testosterone treatments? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2005 Report Share Posted May 27, 2005 I just started Androgel this week, so I doubt I have been normalized yet. I noticed significant shrinkage about a year ago. Expecially when flacid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2005 Report Share Posted May 28, 2005 Hi Deltaguy Good morning from England! OK. I think it needs measurement of errection not flaccid. I understand there is a long history of measuring penile length. I read once of the work of Foreign Legion " medics " in the ca 14th Century measuring the guys penises and using fingers as the unit! I have also when I was a Compuserve customer ca 1990s seen a USA comprehensive guideline to official measuring of a penis. When to measure from etc etc. Simply measure the same way each time will allow you to find out. For example measure erect for girth about half way each time. For length on top of the shaft not pushing to hard into your skin/fat. If you want to be more academic it might make a difference just before an orgasm than just at the start of an errection but I imagine this would not be a vast size change. If you want to see if you compare with the foreign legion guys it is published and quite possibly on the Internet! Take care _________________________________________ Randle _________________________________________ Re: Reversing penile atrophy with androgel >I just started Androgel this week, so I doubt I have been normalized yet. I >noticed significant > shrinkage about a year ago. Expecially when flacid. > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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