Guest guest Posted February 21, 2004 Report Share Posted February 21, 2004 It is easy to find out. 1. test LH and FSH, if in low of the range , you probably secondary. 2. Try Clomid or hCG for 3-4 weeks, if your T raises to acceptable levels - you are secondary >From: " Dowling " <dowlic@...> >Reply- > >Subject: RE: Re: Starting HCG today >Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 01:12:12 +0000 > >41. Dunno 'bout primary vs. secondary, as both my PCP and uro would only >test T and nothing more... > > > >From: " A ADR " <alexdr@...> > >Reply- > > > >Subject: RE: Re: Starting HCG today > >Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 16:58:53 -0800 > > > >How old are you and are you primary or secondary? > >I am 45, secondary and can easily raise my T level with minimal doses of > >hCG > >or Clomid, but even when my T is around 1000 with free T out of the >range, > >I > >still have no sex drive. > > > > > > >From: " Dowling " <dowlic@...> > > >Reply- > > > > > >Subject: RE: Re: Starting HCG today > > >Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 20:32:11 +0000 > > > > > >My libido has decreased, notably, over the past year. I went to my >PCP, > > >who > > >tested my total T, late in the day (early evening). It was borderline > >low, > > >and he suggested Androgel treatment. I'm pretty young, so I was >hesistant > > >to > > >jump into testicular suppression, and instead got a urologist referral. > >To > > >my suprise, the urologists had no better understanding or other > >therapeutic > > >ideas than Androgel. My T, tested at the urologist office in the late > > >morning, was within normal, albeit probably low for my age. Anyway, for > >the > > >moment, I'm attempting other, less permanent seeming options than >jumping > > >to > > >a life of supplemental T. I get my deprenyl by prescription, and in > > >generic > > >form, it's quite inexpensive; however, it is available from offshore > > >sources > > >by mail order or internet order for personal use, also. You might try > >IAS. > > > > > > > > > >From: " A ADR " <alexdr@...> > > > >Reply- > > > > > > > >Subject: RE: Re: Starting HCG today > > > >Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 11:15:24 -0800 > > > > > > > >Are you using any other TRT (gels, hCG, Clomid) along with >Selegiline? > > > > Zolt mentioned that Selegiline alone can increase T levels. > > > >May be your libido is normal and taht's why you feel no increase? > > > >Mine is non existent, so any increase would be more than welcome. > > > >Also, where do you get it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: " Dowling " <dowlic@...> > > > > >Reply- > > > > > > > > > >Subject: RE: Re: Starting HCG today > > > > >Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 13:00:27 +0000 > > > > > > > > > >Yeah- I've been taking it for years, at a very low dose ('bout 1-2 > > > >mg/day). > > > > >I recently increased to 2-3 mg/day. But I really haven't noticed >any > > > >effect > > > > >on libido. Perhaps this dose is still too low... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: " A ADR " <alexdr@...> > > > > > >Reply- > > > > > > > > > > > >Subject: RE: Re: Starting HCG today > > > > > >Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 17:48:05 -0800 > > > > > > > > > > > >Thanks. > > > > > >I read his posts, he mentiones a drug Selegeline, which is a > >dopamine > > > > > >enhancer used in Parkinson's. > > > > > >I've read about it long time ago, but could not get a >prescription. > > > > > >Anyone ever tried it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: " Philip Georgian " <pmgamer18@...> > > > > > > >Reply- > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: Starting HCG today > > > > > > >Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 00:51:21 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Try post number 4548 through 4554 for Zolt's post 1 >through > > >7. > > > > > > >Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yesterday was last Androgel application and will start > > >1000 > > > > > > > > units > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > HCG three times a week starting today. Plan is to go > > >about > > > > > > >6 > > > > > > > > > weeks > > > > > > > > > > > and then blood work to determine if the HCG stimulates > >my > > > > > > >nuts > > > > > > > > > > > enough for them to produce testosterone. Whatever is > > >needed > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > produced will then be supplemented by testosterone > >cream. > > > > > > > > That > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > the plan my endo and I have come up with. This should > >be > > > > > > > > > > > interesting after 32 years of Depo testosterone shots > >with > > > > > > >my > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > nuts not doing much at all really. Interestingly, the > > >shots > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > intermuscular about one inch into the thighs. I have > >read > > > > > > >on > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > list of others directed to do insulin needle just >under > > >the > > > > > > > > > surface > > > > > > > > > > > but for some unexplained reason my endo is directing > > > > > > > > intermuscle. > > > > > > > > > > > On another note, taking 5mg of Androgel a day put >my > >T > > > > > > > > count > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > 204, still way low. > > > > > > > > > > > nort828 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > > > >Take off on a romantic weekend or a family adventure to these >great > > > >U.S. > > > > > >locations. http://special.msn.com/local/hotdestinations.armx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > >Stay informed on Election 2004 and the race to Super Tuesday. > > > >http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Find and compare great deals on Broadband access at the MSN High-Speed > >Marketplace. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200360ave/direct/01/ > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Dream of owning a home? 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Guest guest Posted February 21, 2004 Report Share Posted February 21, 2004 Yeah, I actually asked the uro folks about testing LH, FSH, etc. but they just said " we don't do that. " I think their practice is more procedure oriented (TURPs, prostatectomies, cystoscopies, etc.) and they weren't really into the hormonal deal. >From: " A ADR " <alexdr@...> >Reply- > >Subject: RE: Re: Starting HCG today >Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 17:27:21 -0800 > >It is easy to find out. >1. test LH and FSH, if in low of the range , you probably secondary. >2. Try Clomid or hCG for 3-4 weeks, if your T raises to acceptable levels - >you are secondary > > > >From: " Dowling " <dowlic@...> > >Reply- > > > >Subject: RE: Re: Starting HCG today > >Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 01:12:12 +0000 > > > >41. Dunno 'bout primary vs. secondary, as both my PCP and uro would only > >test T and nothing more... > > > > > > >From: " A ADR " <alexdr@...> > > >Reply- > > > > > >Subject: RE: Re: Starting HCG today > > >Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 16:58:53 -0800 > > > > > >How old are you and are you primary or secondary? > > >I am 45, secondary and can easily raise my T level with minimal doses >of > > >hCG > > >or Clomid, but even when my T is around 1000 with free T out of the > >range, > > >I > > >still have no sex drive. > > > > > > > > > >From: " Dowling " <dowlic@...> > > > >Reply- > > > > > > > >Subject: RE: Re: Starting HCG today > > > >Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 20:32:11 +0000 > > > > > > > >My libido has decreased, notably, over the past year. I went to my > >PCP, > > > >who > > > >tested my total T, late in the day (early evening). It was borderline > > >low, > > > >and he suggested Androgel treatment. I'm pretty young, so I was > >hesistant > > > >to > > > >jump into testicular suppression, and instead got a urologist >referral. > > >To > > > >my suprise, the urologists had no better understanding or other > > >therapeutic > > > >ideas than Androgel. My T, tested at the urologist office in the late > > > >morning, was within normal, albeit probably low for my age. Anyway, >for > > >the > > > >moment, I'm attempting other, less permanent seeming options than > >jumping > > > >to > > > >a life of supplemental T. I get my deprenyl by prescription, and in > > > >generic > > > >form, it's quite inexpensive; however, it is available from offshore > > > >sources > > > >by mail order or internet order for personal use, also. You might try > > >IAS. > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: " A ADR " <alexdr@...> > > > > >Reply- > > > > > > > > > >Subject: RE: Re: Starting HCG today > > > > >Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 11:15:24 -0800 > > > > > > > > > >Are you using any other TRT (gels, hCG, Clomid) along with > >Selegiline? > > > > > Zolt mentioned that Selegiline alone can increase T levels. > > > > >May be your libido is normal and taht's why you feel no increase? > > > > >Mine is non existent, so any increase would be more than welcome. > > > > >Also, where do you get it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: " Dowling " <dowlic@...> > > > > > >Reply- > > > > > > > > > > > >Subject: RE: Re: Starting HCG today > > > > > >Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 13:00:27 +0000 > > > > > > > > > > > >Yeah- I've been taking it for years, at a very low dose ('bout >1-2 > > > > >mg/day). > > > > > >I recently increased to 2-3 mg/day. But I really haven't noticed > >any > > > > >effect > > > > > >on libido. Perhaps this dose is still too low... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: " A ADR " <alexdr@...> > > > > > > >Reply- > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Subject: RE: Re: Starting HCG today > > > > > > >Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 17:48:05 -0800 > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Thanks. > > > > > > >I read his posts, he mentiones a drug Selegeline, which is a > > >dopamine > > > > > > >enhancer used in Parkinson's. > > > > > > >I've read about it long time ago, but could not get a > >prescription. > > > > > > >Anyone ever tried it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: " Philip Georgian " <pmgamer18@...> > > > > > > > >Reply- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: Starting HCG today > > > > > > > >Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 00:51:21 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Try post number 4548 through 4554 for Zolt's post 1 > >through > > > >7. > > > > > > > >Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yesterday was last Androgel application and will >start > > > >1000 > > > > > > > > > units > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > HCG three times a week starting today. Plan is to >go > > > >about > > > > > > > >6 > > > > > > > > > > weeks > > > > > > > > > > > > and then blood work to determine if the HCG >stimulates > > >my > > > > > > > >nuts > > > > > > > > > > > > enough for them to produce testosterone. Whatever >is > > > >needed > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > produced will then be supplemented by testosterone > > >cream. > > > > > > > > > That > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > the plan my endo and I have come up with. This >should > > >be > > > > > > > > > > > > interesting after 32 years of Depo testosterone >shots > > >with > > > > > > > >my > > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > > nuts not doing much at all really. Interestingly, >the > > > >shots > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > intermuscular about one inch into the thighs. I >have > > >read > > > > > > > >on > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > list of others directed to do insulin needle just > >under > > > >the > > > > > > > > > > surface > > > > > > > > > > > > but for some unexplained reason my endo is directing > > > > > > > > > intermuscle. > > > > > > > > > > > > On another note, taking 5mg of Androgel a day put > >my > > >T > > > > > > > > > count > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > 204, still way low. > > > > > > > > > > > > nort828 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > >Take off on a romantic weekend or a family adventure to these > >great > > > > >U.S. > > > > > > >locations. http://special.msn.com/local/hotdestinations.armx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > > >Stay informed on Election 2004 and the race to Super Tuesday. > > > > >http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > >Find and compare great deals on Broadband access at the MSN High-Speed > > >Marketplace. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200360ave/direct/01/ > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Dream of owning a home? 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Guest guest Posted February 21, 2004 Report Share Posted February 21, 2004 Sorry. International Antiaging Systems Try this: https://secure.wsa.u-net.com/www.antiaging-systems.com/scripts/ca000001.cgi >From: " A ADR " <alexdr@...> >Reply- > >Subject: RE: Re: Starting HCG today >Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 17:24:23 -0800 > >What is IAS? >Google spit out a million links > > > > >From: " Dowling " <dowlic@...> > >Reply- > > > >Subject: RE: Re: Starting HCG today > >Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 20:32:11 +0000 > > > >My libido has decreased, notably, over the past year. I went to my PCP, > >who > >tested my total T, late in the day (early evening). It was borderline >low, > >and he suggested Androgel treatment. I'm pretty young, so I was hesistant > >to > >jump into testicular suppression, and instead got a urologist referral. >To > >my suprise, the urologists had no better understanding or other >therapeutic > >ideas than Androgel. My T, tested at the urologist office in the late > >morning, was within normal, albeit probably low for my age. Anyway, for >the > >moment, I'm attempting other, less permanent seeming options than jumping > >to > >a life of supplemental T. I get my deprenyl by prescription, and in > >generic > >form, it's quite inexpensive; however, it is available from offshore > >sources > >by mail order or internet order for personal use, also. You might try >IAS. > > > > > > >From: " A ADR " <alexdr@...> > > >Reply- > > > > > >Subject: RE: Re: Starting HCG today > > >Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 11:15:24 -0800 > > > > > >Are you using any other TRT (gels, hCG, Clomid) along with Selegiline? > > > Zolt mentioned that Selegiline alone can increase T levels. > > >May be your libido is normal and taht's why you feel no increase? > > >Mine is non existent, so any increase would be more than welcome. > > >Also, where do you get it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: " Dowling " <dowlic@...> > > > >Reply- > > > > > > > >Subject: RE: Re: Starting HCG today > > > >Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 13:00:27 +0000 > > > > > > > >Yeah- I've been taking it for years, at a very low dose ('bout 1-2 > > >mg/day). > > > >I recently increased to 2-3 mg/day. But I really haven't noticed any > > >effect > > > >on libido. Perhaps this dose is still too low... > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: " A ADR " <alexdr@...> > > > > >Reply- > > > > > > > > > >Subject: RE: Re: Starting HCG today > > > > >Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 17:48:05 -0800 > > > > > > > > > >Thanks. > > > > >I read his posts, he mentiones a drug Selegeline, which is a >dopamine > > > > >enhancer used in Parkinson's. > > > > >I've read about it long time ago, but could not get a prescription. > > > > >Anyone ever tried it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: " Philip Georgian " <pmgamer18@...> > > > > > >Reply- > > > > > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: Starting HCG today > > > > > >Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 00:51:21 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > > >Try post number 4548 through 4554 for Zolt's post 1 through > >7. > > > > > >Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yesterday was last Androgel application and will start > >1000 > > > > > > > units > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > HCG three times a week starting today. Plan is to go > >about > > > > > >6 > > > > > > > > weeks > > > > > > > > > > and then blood work to determine if the HCG stimulates >my > > > > > >nuts > > > > > > > > > > enough for them to produce testosterone. Whatever is > >needed > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > produced will then be supplemented by testosterone >cream. > > > > > > > That > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > the plan my endo and I have come up with. This should >be > > > > > > > > > > interesting after 32 years of Depo testosterone shots >with > > > > > >my > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > nuts not doing much at all really. Interestingly, the > >shots > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > intermuscular about one inch into the thighs. I have >read > > > > > >on > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > list of others directed to do insulin needle just under > >the > > > > > > > > surface > > > > > > > > > > but for some unexplained reason my endo is directing > > > > > > > intermuscle. > > > > > > > > > > On another note, taking 5mg of Androgel a day put my >T > > > > > > > count > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > 204, still way low. > > > > > > > > > > nort828 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > > >Take off on a romantic weekend or a family adventure to these great > > >U.S. > > > > >locations. http://special.msn.com/local/hotdestinations.armx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > >Stay informed on Election 2004 and the race to Super Tuesday. > > >http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Take off on a romantic weekend or a family adventure to these great U.S. >locations. http://special.msn.com/local/hotdestinations.armx > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2004 Report Share Posted February 21, 2004 If that link doesn't, try this one and either search for deprenyl or selegeline or jumex to the product order page: http://www.antiaging-systems.com/home1.htm >From: " Dowling " <dowlic@...> >Reply- > >Subject: RE: Re: Starting HCG today >Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 01:39:40 +0000 > >Sorry. > >International Antiaging Systems > >Try this: > > >https://secure.wsa.u-net.com/www.antiaging-systems.com/scripts/ca000001.cgi > > > > >From: " A ADR " <alexdr@...> > >Reply- > > > >Subject: RE: Re: Starting HCG today > >Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 17:24:23 -0800 > > > >What is IAS? > >Google spit out a million links > > > > > > > > >From: " Dowling " <dowlic@...> > > >Reply- > > > > > >Subject: RE: Re: Starting HCG today > > >Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 20:32:11 +0000 > > > > > >My libido has decreased, notably, over the past year. I went to my >PCP, > > >who > > >tested my total T, late in the day (early evening). It was borderline > >low, > > >and he suggested Androgel treatment. I'm pretty young, so I was >hesistant > > >to > > >jump into testicular suppression, and instead got a urologist referral. > >To > > >my suprise, the urologists had no better understanding or other > >therapeutic > > >ideas than Androgel. My T, tested at the urologist office in the late > > >morning, was within normal, albeit probably low for my age. Anyway, for > >the > > >moment, I'm attempting other, less permanent seeming options than >jumping > > >to > > >a life of supplemental T. I get my deprenyl by prescription, and in > > >generic > > >form, it's quite inexpensive; however, it is available from offshore > > >sources > > >by mail order or internet order for personal use, also. You might try > >IAS. > > > > > > > > > >From: " A ADR " <alexdr@...> > > > >Reply- > > > > > > > >Subject: RE: Re: Starting HCG today > > > >Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 11:15:24 -0800 > > > > > > > >Are you using any other TRT (gels, hCG, Clomid) along with >Selegiline? > > > > Zolt mentioned that Selegiline alone can increase T levels. > > > >May be your libido is normal and taht's why you feel no increase? > > > >Mine is non existent, so any increase would be more than welcome. > > > >Also, where do you get it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: " Dowling " <dowlic@...> > > > > >Reply- > > > > > > > > > >Subject: RE: Re: Starting HCG today > > > > >Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 13:00:27 +0000 > > > > > > > > > >Yeah- I've been taking it for years, at a very low dose ('bout 1-2 > > > >mg/day). > > > > >I recently increased to 2-3 mg/day. But I really haven't noticed >any > > > >effect > > > > >on libido. Perhaps this dose is still too low... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: " A ADR " <alexdr@...> > > > > > >Reply- > > > > > > > > > > > >Subject: RE: Re: Starting HCG today > > > > > >Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 17:48:05 -0800 > > > > > > > > > > > >Thanks. > > > > > >I read his posts, he mentiones a drug Selegeline, which is a > >dopamine > > > > > >enhancer used in Parkinson's. > > > > > >I've read about it long time ago, but could not get a >prescription. > > > > > >Anyone ever tried it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: " Philip Georgian " <pmgamer18@...> > > > > > > >Reply- > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: Starting HCG today > > > > > > >Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 00:51:21 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Try post number 4548 through 4554 for Zolt's post 1 >through > > >7. > > > > > > >Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yesterday was last Androgel application and will start > > >1000 > > > > > > > > units > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > HCG three times a week starting today. Plan is to go > > >about > > > > > > >6 > > > > > > > > > weeks > > > > > > > > > > > and then blood work to determine if the HCG stimulates > >my > > > > > > >nuts > > > > > > > > > > > enough for them to produce testosterone. Whatever is > > >needed > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > produced will then be supplemented by testosterone > >cream. > > > > > > > > That > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > the plan my endo and I have come up with. This should > >be > > > > > > > > > > > interesting after 32 years of Depo testosterone shots > >with > > > > > > >my > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > nuts not doing much at all really. Interestingly, the > > >shots > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > intermuscular about one inch into the thighs. I have > >read > > > > > > >on > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > list of others directed to do insulin needle just >under > > >the > > > > > > > > > surface > > > > > > > > > > > but for some unexplained reason my endo is directing > > > > > > > > intermuscle. > > > > > > > > > > > On another note, taking 5mg of Androgel a day put >my > >T > > > > > > > > count > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > 204, still way low. > > > > > > > > > > > nort828 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > > > >Take off on a romantic weekend or a family adventure to these >great > > > >U.S. > > > > > >locations. http://special.msn.com/local/hotdestinations.armx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > >Stay informed on Election 2004 and the race to Super Tuesday. > > > >http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Take off on a romantic weekend or a family adventure to these great U.S. > >locations. http://special.msn.com/local/hotdestinations.armx > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2004 Report Share Posted February 21, 2004 Try Endocrinologist. I had to go outside my insurance, to find a doc who was willing to take seriously my low T. I do not know where you are, but I can give you a couple of MDs who is dealing with HH and do bussiness long distance >From: " Dowling " <dowlic@...> >Reply- > >Subject: RE: Re: Starting HCG today >Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 01:35:40 +0000 > >Yeah, I actually asked the uro folks about testing LH, FSH, etc. but they >just said " we don't do that. " I think their practice is more procedure >oriented (TURPs, prostatectomies, cystoscopies, etc.) and they weren't >really into the hormonal deal. > > > >From: " A ADR " <alexdr@...> > >Reply- > > > >Subject: RE: Re: Starting HCG today > >Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 17:27:21 -0800 > > > >It is easy to find out. > >1. test LH and FSH, if in low of the range , you probably secondary. > >2. Try Clomid or hCG for 3-4 weeks, if your T raises to acceptable levels >- > >you are secondary > > > > > > >From: " Dowling " <dowlic@...> > > >Reply- > > > > > >Subject: RE: Re: Starting HCG today > > >Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 01:12:12 +0000 > > > > > >41. Dunno 'bout primary vs. secondary, as both my PCP and uro would >only > > >test T and nothing more... > > > > > > > > > >From: " A ADR " <alexdr@...> > > > >Reply- > > > > > > > >Subject: RE: Re: Starting HCG today > > > >Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 16:58:53 -0800 > > > > > > > >How old are you and are you primary or secondary? > > > >I am 45, secondary and can easily raise my T level with minimal doses > >of > > > >hCG > > > >or Clomid, but even when my T is around 1000 with free T out of the > > >range, > > > >I > > > >still have no sex drive. > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: " Dowling " <dowlic@...> > > > > >Reply- > > > > > > > > > >Subject: RE: Re: Starting HCG today > > > > >Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 20:32:11 +0000 > > > > > > > > > >My libido has decreased, notably, over the past year. I went to my > > >PCP, > > > > >who > > > > >tested my total T, late in the day (early evening). It was >borderline > > > >low, > > > > >and he suggested Androgel treatment. I'm pretty young, so I was > > >hesistant > > > > >to > > > > >jump into testicular suppression, and instead got a urologist > >referral. > > > >To > > > > >my suprise, the urologists had no better understanding or other > > > >therapeutic > > > > >ideas than Androgel. My T, tested at the urologist office in the >late > > > > >morning, was within normal, albeit probably low for my age. Anyway, > >for > > > >the > > > > >moment, I'm attempting other, less permanent seeming options than > > >jumping > > > > >to > > > > >a life of supplemental T. I get my deprenyl by prescription, and >in > > > > >generic > > > > >form, it's quite inexpensive; however, it is available from >offshore > > > > >sources > > > > >by mail order or internet order for personal use, also. You might >try > > > >IAS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: " A ADR " <alexdr@...> > > > > > >Reply- > > > > > > > > > > > >Subject: RE: Re: Starting HCG today > > > > > >Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 11:15:24 -0800 > > > > > > > > > > > >Are you using any other TRT (gels, hCG, Clomid) along with > > >Selegiline? > > > > > > Zolt mentioned that Selegiline alone can increase T >levels. > > > > > >May be your libido is normal and taht's why you feel no increase? > > > > > >Mine is non existent, so any increase would be more than welcome. > > > > > >Also, where do you get it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: " Dowling " <dowlic@...> > > > > > > >Reply- > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Subject: RE: Re: Starting HCG today > > > > > > >Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 13:00:27 +0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Yeah- I've been taking it for years, at a very low dose ('bout > >1-2 > > > > > >mg/day). > > > > > > >I recently increased to 2-3 mg/day. But I really haven't >noticed > > >any > > > > > >effect > > > > > > >on libido. Perhaps this dose is still too low... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: " A ADR " <alexdr@...> > > > > > > > >Reply- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Subject: RE: Re: Starting HCG today > > > > > > > >Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 17:48:05 -0800 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Thanks. > > > > > > > >I read his posts, he mentiones a drug Selegeline, which is a > > > >dopamine > > > > > > > >enhancer used in Parkinson's. > > > > > > > >I've read about it long time ago, but could not get a > > >prescription. > > > > > > > >Anyone ever tried it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: " Philip Georgian " <pmgamer18@...> > > > > > > > > >Reply- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: Starting HCG today > > > > > > > > >Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 00:51:21 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Try post number 4548 through 4554 for Zolt's post 1 > > >through > > > > >7. > > > > > > > > >Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yesterday was last Androgel application and will > >start > > > > >1000 > > > > > > > > > > units > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > HCG three times a week starting today. Plan is to > >go > > > > >about > > > > > > > > >6 > > > > > > > > > > > weeks > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then blood work to determine if the HCG > >stimulates > > > >my > > > > > > > > >nuts > > > > > > > > > > > > > enough for them to produce testosterone. Whatever > >is > > > > >needed > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > produced will then be supplemented by testosterone > > > >cream. > > > > > > > > > > That > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > the plan my endo and I have come up with. This > >should > > > >be > > > > > > > > > > > > > interesting after 32 years of Depo testosterone > >shots > > > >with > > > > > > > > >my > > > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > > > nuts not doing much at all really. Interestingly, > >the > > > > >shots > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > intermuscular about one inch into the thighs. I > >have > > > >read > > > > > > > > >on > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > list of others directed to do insulin needle just > > >under > > > > >the > > > > > > > > > > > surface > > > > > > > > > > > > > but for some unexplained reason my endo is >directing > > > > > > > > > > intermuscle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > On another note, taking 5mg of Androgel a day >put > > >my > > > >T > > > > > > > > > > count > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > 204, still way low. > > > > > > > > > > > > > nort828 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > >Take off on a romantic weekend or a family adventure to these > > >great > > > > > >U.S. > > > > > > > >locations. http://special.msn.com/local/hotdestinations.armx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > > > >Stay informed on Election 2004 and the race to Super Tuesday. > > > > > >http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > >Find and compare great deals on Broadband access at the MSN >High-Speed > > > >Marketplace. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200360ave/direct/01/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Dream of owning a home? 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Guest guest Posted February 22, 2004 Report Share Posted February 22, 2004 , but even when my T is around 1000 with free T out of the range, I >still have no sex drive. > > Right, I think sex drive is a poor subjective indicator of T level. I do think it is one and for certain individuals it probably is an excellant one, but is not the direct indicator that society thinks it is. One of the ways that this plays out is that there are thousands of men out there with very very low T but do nothing about it as long as their libido and erections are okay, or they give up on taking T if it does not help them sexually. That is a huge mistake in my view. T does so much more. And you will wake up some day with osteoporosis, brain fog. depressed, and diminished musculature as you age. It would be like a woman in her 20's thinking that she never wants to have kids so doesnt care what her hormone levels are even if they are at the rock bottom. She gonna be a mess physically over time. Winter _________________________________________________________________ Stay informed on Election 2004 and the race to Super Tuesday. http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2004 Report Share Posted February 22, 2004 Thanks. I'm in Maine. I don't know off-hand of any local experts in this area. No one I've spoken to around here has mentioned any. >From: " A ADR " <alexdr@...> >Reply- > >Subject: RE: Re: Starting HCG today >Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 17:48:27 -0800 > >Try Endocrinologist. I had to go outside my insurance, to find a doc who >was >willing to >take seriously my low T. I do not know where you are, but I can give you a >couple of MDs >who is dealing with HH and do bussiness long distance > > > >From: " Dowling " <dowlic@...> > >Reply- > > > >Subject: RE: Re: Starting HCG today > >Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 01:35:40 +0000 > > > >Yeah, I actually asked the uro folks about testing LH, FSH, etc. but >they > >just said " we don't do that. " I think their practice is more procedure > >oriented (TURPs, prostatectomies, cystoscopies, etc.) and they weren't > >really into the hormonal deal. > > > > > > >From: " A ADR " <alexdr@...> > > >Reply- > > > > > >Subject: RE: Re: Starting HCG today > > >Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 17:27:21 -0800 > > > > > >It is easy to find out. > > >1. test LH and FSH, if in low of the range , you probably secondary. > > >2. Try Clomid or hCG for 3-4 weeks, if your T raises to acceptable >levels > >- > > >you are secondary > > > > > > > > > >From: " Dowling " <dowlic@...> > > > >Reply- > > > > > > > >Subject: RE: Re: Starting HCG today > > > >Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 01:12:12 +0000 > > > > > > > >41. Dunno 'bout primary vs. secondary, as both my PCP and uro would > >only > > > >test T and nothing more... > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: " A ADR " <alexdr@...> > > > > >Reply- > > > > > > > > > >Subject: RE: Re: Starting HCG today > > > > >Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 16:58:53 -0800 > > > > > > > > > >How old are you and are you primary or secondary? > > > > >I am 45, secondary and can easily raise my T level with minimal >doses > > >of > > > > >hCG > > > > >or Clomid, but even when my T is around 1000 with free T out of the > > > >range, > > > > >I > > > > >still have no sex drive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: " Dowling " <dowlic@...> > > > > > >Reply- > > > > > > > > > > > >Subject: RE: Re: Starting HCG today > > > > > >Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 20:32:11 +0000 > > > > > > > > > > > >My libido has decreased, notably, over the past year. I went to >my > > > >PCP, > > > > > >who > > > > > >tested my total T, late in the day (early evening). It was > >borderline > > > > >low, > > > > > >and he suggested Androgel treatment. I'm pretty young, so I was > > > >hesistant > > > > > >to > > > > > >jump into testicular suppression, and instead got a urologist > > >referral. > > > > >To > > > > > >my suprise, the urologists had no better understanding or other > > > > >therapeutic > > > > > >ideas than Androgel. My T, tested at the urologist office in the > >late > > > > > >morning, was within normal, albeit probably low for my age. >Anyway, > > >for > > > > >the > > > > > >moment, I'm attempting other, less permanent seeming options than > > > >jumping > > > > > >to > > > > > >a life of supplemental T. I get my deprenyl by prescription, and > >in > > > > > >generic > > > > > >form, it's quite inexpensive; however, it is available from > >offshore > > > > > >sources > > > > > >by mail order or internet order for personal use, also. You might > >try > > > > >IAS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: " A ADR " <alexdr@...> > > > > > > >Reply- > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Subject: RE: Re: Starting HCG today > > > > > > >Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 11:15:24 -0800 > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Are you using any other TRT (gels, hCG, Clomid) along with > > > >Selegiline? > > > > > > > Zolt mentioned that Selegiline alone can increase T > >levels. > > > > > > >May be your libido is normal and taht's why you feel no >increase? > > > > > > >Mine is non existent, so any increase would be more than >welcome. > > > > > > >Also, where do you get it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: " Dowling " <dowlic@...> > > > > > > > >Reply- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Subject: RE: Re: Starting HCG today > > > > > > > >Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 13:00:27 +0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Yeah- I've been taking it for years, at a very low dose >('bout > > >1-2 > > > > > > >mg/day). > > > > > > > >I recently increased to 2-3 mg/day. But I really haven't > >noticed > > > >any > > > > > > >effect > > > > > > > >on libido. Perhaps this dose is still too low... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: " A ADR " <alexdr@...> > > > > > > > > >Reply- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Subject: RE: Re: Starting HCG today > > > > > > > > >Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 17:48:05 -0800 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Thanks. > > > > > > > > >I read his posts, he mentiones a drug Selegeline, which is >a > > > > >dopamine > > > > > > > > >enhancer used in Parkinson's. > > > > > > > > >I've read about it long time ago, but could not get a > > > >prescription. > > > > > > > > >Anyone ever tried it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: " Philip Georgian " <pmgamer18@...> > > > > > > > > > >Reply- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: Starting HCG today > > > > > > > > > >Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 00:51:21 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Try post number 4548 through 4554 for Zolt's post 1 > > > >through > > > > > >7. > > > > > > > > > >Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yesterday was last Androgel application and will > > >start > > > > > >1000 > > > > > > > > > > > units > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HCG three times a week starting today. Plan is >to > > >go > > > > > >about > > > > > > > > > >6 > > > > > > > > > > > > weeks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then blood work to determine if the HCG > > >stimulates > > > > >my > > > > > > > > > >nuts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enough for them to produce testosterone. >Whatever > > >is > > > > > >needed > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > produced will then be supplemented by >testosterone > > > > >cream. > > > > > > > > > > > That > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the plan my endo and I have come up with. This > > >should > > > > >be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interesting after 32 years of Depo testosterone > > >shots > > > > >with > > > > > > > > > >my > > > > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nuts not doing much at all really. >Interestingly, > > >the > > > > > >shots > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > intermuscular about one inch into the thighs. I > > >have > > > > >read > > > > > > > > > >on > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > list of others directed to do insulin needle >just > > > >under > > > > > >the > > > > > > > > > > > > surface > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but for some unexplained reason my endo is > >directing > > > > > > > > > > > intermuscle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On another note, taking 5mg of Androgel a day > >put > > > >my > > > > >T > > > > > > > > > > > count > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 204, still way low. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nort828 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > >Take off on a romantic weekend or a family adventure to >these > > > >great > > > > > > >U.S. > > > > > > > > >locations. >http://special.msn.com/local/hotdestinations.armx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > >Stay informed on Election 2004 and the race to Super Tuesday. > > > > > > >http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > > >Find and compare great deals on Broadband access at the MSN > >High-Speed > > > > >Marketplace. >http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200360ave/direct/01/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > >Dream of owning a home? Find out how in the First-time Home Buying >Guide. > > >http://special.msn.com/home/firsthome.armx > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Store more e-mails with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage – 4 plans to choose from! >http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2004 Report Share Posted February 23, 2004 I am in California and the MD I like is here also, but I know we have East coast people here, so just post a message asking for references Good luck >From: " Dowling " <dowlic@...> >Reply- > >Subject: RE: Re: Starting HCG today >Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 12:32:52 +0000 > >Thanks. I'm in Maine. I don't know off-hand of any local experts in this >area. No one I've spoken to around here has mentioned any. > > > >From: " A ADR " <alexdr@...> > >Reply- > > > >Subject: RE: Re: Starting HCG today > >Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 17:48:27 -0800 > > > >Try Endocrinologist. I had to go outside my insurance, to find a doc who > >was > >willing to > >take seriously my low T. I do not know where you are, but I can give you >a > >couple of MDs > >who is dealing with HH and do bussiness long distance > > > > > > >From: " Dowling " <dowlic@...> > > >Reply- > > > > > >Subject: RE: Re: Starting HCG today > > >Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 01:35:40 +0000 > > > > > >Yeah, I actually asked the uro folks about testing LH, FSH, etc. but > >they > > >just said " we don't do that. " I think their practice is more procedure > > >oriented (TURPs, prostatectomies, cystoscopies, etc.) and they weren't > > >really into the hormonal deal. > > > > > > > > > >From: " A ADR " <alexdr@...> > > > >Reply- > > > > > > > >Subject: RE: Re: Starting HCG today > > > >Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 17:27:21 -0800 > > > > > > > >It is easy to find out. > > > >1. test LH and FSH, if in low of the range , you probably secondary. > > > >2. Try Clomid or hCG for 3-4 weeks, if your T raises to acceptable > >levels > > >- > > > >you are secondary > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: " Dowling " <dowlic@...> > > > > >Reply- > > > > > > > > > >Subject: RE: Re: Starting HCG today > > > > >Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 01:12:12 +0000 > > > > > > > > > >41. Dunno 'bout primary vs. secondary, as both my PCP and uro would > > >only > > > > >test T and nothing more... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: " A ADR " <alexdr@...> > > > > > >Reply- > > > > > > > > > > > >Subject: RE: Re: Starting HCG today > > > > > >Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 16:58:53 -0800 > > > > > > > > > > > >How old are you and are you primary or secondary? > > > > > >I am 45, secondary and can easily raise my T level with minimal > >doses > > > >of > > > > > >hCG > > > > > >or Clomid, but even when my T is around 1000 with free T out of >the > > > > >range, > > > > > >I > > > > > >still have no sex drive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: " Dowling " <dowlic@...> > > > > > > >Reply- > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Subject: RE: Re: Starting HCG today > > > > > > >Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 20:32:11 +0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > >My libido has decreased, notably, over the past year. I went >to > >my > > > > >PCP, > > > > > > >who > > > > > > >tested my total T, late in the day (early evening). It was > > >borderline > > > > > >low, > > > > > > >and he suggested Androgel treatment. I'm pretty young, so I was > > > > >hesistant > > > > > > >to > > > > > > >jump into testicular suppression, and instead got a urologist > > > >referral. > > > > > >To > > > > > > >my suprise, the urologists had no better understanding or other > > > > > >therapeutic > > > > > > >ideas than Androgel. My T, tested at the urologist office in >the > > >late > > > > > > >morning, was within normal, albeit probably low for my age. > >Anyway, > > > >for > > > > > >the > > > > > > >moment, I'm attempting other, less permanent seeming options >than > > > > >jumping > > > > > > >to > > > > > > >a life of supplemental T. I get my deprenyl by prescription, >and > > >in > > > > > > >generic > > > > > > >form, it's quite inexpensive; however, it is available from > > >offshore > > > > > > >sources > > > > > > >by mail order or internet order for personal use, also. You >might > > >try > > > > > >IAS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: " A ADR " <alexdr@...> > > > > > > > >Reply- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Subject: RE: Re: Starting HCG today > > > > > > > >Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 11:15:24 -0800 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Are you using any other TRT (gels, hCG, Clomid) along with > > > > >Selegiline? > > > > > > > > Zolt mentioned that Selegiline alone can increase T > > >levels. > > > > > > > >May be your libido is normal and taht's why you feel no > >increase? > > > > > > > >Mine is non existent, so any increase would be more than > >welcome. > > > > > > > >Also, where do you get it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: " Dowling " <dowlic@...> > > > > > > > > >Reply- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Subject: RE: Re: Starting HCG today > > > > > > > > >Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 13:00:27 +0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Yeah- I've been taking it for years, at a very low dose > >('bout > > > >1-2 > > > > > > > >mg/day). > > > > > > > > >I recently increased to 2-3 mg/day. But I really haven't > > >noticed > > > > >any > > > > > > > >effect > > > > > > > > >on libido. Perhaps this dose is still too low... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: " A ADR " <alexdr@...> > > > > > > > > > >Reply- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Subject: RE: Re: Starting HCG today > > > > > > > > > >Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 17:48:05 -0800 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Thanks. > > > > > > > > > >I read his posts, he mentiones a drug Selegeline, which >is > >a > > > > > >dopamine > > > > > > > > > >enhancer used in Parkinson's. > > > > > > > > > >I've read about it long time ago, but could not get a > > > > >prescription. > > > > > > > > > >Anyone ever tried it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: " Philip Georgian " <pmgamer18@...> > > > > > > > > > > >Reply- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: Starting HCG today > > > > > > > > > > >Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 00:51:21 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Try post number 4548 through 4554 for Zolt's post >1 > > > > >through > > > > > > >7. > > > > > > > > > > >Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yesterday was last Androgel application and >will > > > >start > > > > > > >1000 > > > > > > > > > > > > units > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HCG three times a week starting today. Plan >is > >to > > > >go > > > > > > >about > > > > > > > > > > >6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > weeks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then blood work to determine if the HCG > > > >stimulates > > > > > >my > > > > > > > > > > >nuts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enough for them to produce testosterone. > >Whatever > > > >is > > > > > > >needed > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > produced will then be supplemented by > >testosterone > > > > > >cream. > > > > > > > > > > > > That > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the plan my endo and I have come up with. >This > > > >should > > > > > >be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interesting after 32 years of Depo >testosterone > > > >shots > > > > > >with > > > > > > > > > > >my > > > > > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nuts not doing much at all really. > >Interestingly, > > > >the > > > > > > >shots > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > intermuscular about one inch into the thighs. >I > > > >have > > > > > >read > > > > > > > > > > >on > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > list of others directed to do insulin needle > >just > > > > >under > > > > > > >the > > > > > > > > > > > > > surface > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but for some unexplained reason my endo is > > >directing > > > > > > > > > > > > intermuscle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On another note, taking 5mg of Androgel a >day > > >put > > > > >my > > > > > >T > > > > > > > > > > > > count > > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 204, still way low. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nort828 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > >Take off on a romantic weekend or a family adventure to > >these > > > > >great > > > > > > > >U.S. > > > > > > > > > >locations. > >http://special.msn.com/local/hotdestinations.armx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > >Stay informed on Election 2004 and the race to Super Tuesday. > > > > > > > >http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > > > >Find and compare great deals on Broadband access at the MSN > > >High-Speed > > > > > >Marketplace. > >http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200360ave/direct/01/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > >Dream of owning a home? Find out how in the First-time Home Buying > >Guide. > > > >http://special.msn.com/home/firsthome.armx > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Store more e-mails with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage – 4 plans to choose >from! > >http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2004 Report Share Posted February 23, 2004 Thanks! >From: " A ADR " <alexdr@...> >Reply- > >Subject: RE: Re: Starting HCG today >Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 12:01:25 -0800 > >I am in California and the MD I like is here also, but I know we have East >coast people here, so just post a message asking for references >Good luck > > > >From: " Dowling " <dowlic@...> > >Reply- > > > >Subject: RE: Re: Starting HCG today > >Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 12:32:52 +0000 > > > >Thanks. I'm in Maine. I don't know off-hand of any local experts in this > >area. No one I've spoken to around here has mentioned any. > > > > > > >From: " A ADR " <alexdr@...> > > >Reply- > > > > > >Subject: RE: Re: Starting HCG today > > >Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 17:48:27 -0800 > > > > > >Try Endocrinologist. I had to go outside my insurance, to find a doc >who > > >was > > >willing to > > >take seriously my low T. I do not know where you are, but I can give >you > >a > > >couple of MDs > > >who is dealing with HH and do bussiness long distance > > > > > > > > > >From: " Dowling " <dowlic@...> > > > >Reply- > > > > > > > >Subject: RE: Re: Starting HCG today > > > >Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 01:35:40 +0000 > > > > > > > >Yeah, I actually asked the uro folks about testing LH, FSH, etc. but > > >they > > > >just said " we don't do that. " I think their practice is more >procedure > > > >oriented (TURPs, prostatectomies, cystoscopies, etc.) and they >weren't > > > >really into the hormonal deal. > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: " A ADR " <alexdr@...> > > > > >Reply- > > > > > > > > > >Subject: RE: Re: Starting HCG today > > > > >Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 17:27:21 -0800 > > > > > > > > > >It is easy to find out. > > > > >1. test LH and FSH, if in low of the range , you probably >secondary. > > > > >2. Try Clomid or hCG for 3-4 weeks, if your T raises to acceptable > > >levels > > > >- > > > > >you are secondary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: " Dowling " <dowlic@...> > > > > > >Reply- > > > > > > > > > > > >Subject: RE: Re: Starting HCG today > > > > > >Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 01:12:12 +0000 > > > > > > > > > > > >41. Dunno 'bout primary vs. secondary, as both my PCP and uro >would > > > >only > > > > > >test T and nothing more... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: " A ADR " <alexdr@...> > > > > > > >Reply- > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Subject: RE: Re: Starting HCG today > > > > > > >Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 16:58:53 -0800 > > > > > > > > > > > > > >How old are you and are you primary or secondary? > > > > > > >I am 45, secondary and can easily raise my T level with minimal > > >doses > > > > >of > > > > > > >hCG > > > > > > >or Clomid, but even when my T is around 1000 with free T out of > >the > > > > > >range, > > > > > > >I > > > > > > >still have no sex drive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: " Dowling " <dowlic@...> > > > > > > > >Reply- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Subject: RE: Re: Starting HCG today > > > > > > > >Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 20:32:11 +0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >My libido has decreased, notably, over the past year. I went > >to > > >my > > > > > >PCP, > > > > > > > >who > > > > > > > >tested my total T, late in the day (early evening). It was > > > >borderline > > > > > > >low, > > > > > > > >and he suggested Androgel treatment. I'm pretty young, so I >was > > > > > >hesistant > > > > > > > >to > > > > > > > >jump into testicular suppression, and instead got a urologist > > > > >referral. > > > > > > >To > > > > > > > >my suprise, the urologists had no better understanding or >other > > > > > > >therapeutic > > > > > > > >ideas than Androgel. My T, tested at the urologist office in > >the > > > >late > > > > > > > >morning, was within normal, albeit probably low for my age. > > >Anyway, > > > > >for > > > > > > >the > > > > > > > >moment, I'm attempting other, less permanent seeming options > >than > > > > > >jumping > > > > > > > >to > > > > > > > >a life of supplemental T. I get my deprenyl by prescription, > >and > > > >in > > > > > > > >generic > > > > > > > >form, it's quite inexpensive; however, it is available from > > > >offshore > > > > > > > >sources > > > > > > > >by mail order or internet order for personal use, also. You > >might > > > >try > > > > > > >IAS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: " A ADR " <alexdr@...> > > > > > > > > >Reply- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Subject: RE: Re: Starting HCG today > > > > > > > > >Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 11:15:24 -0800 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Are you using any other TRT (gels, hCG, Clomid) along with > > > > > >Selegiline? > > > > > > > > > Zolt mentioned that Selegiline alone can increase T > > > >levels. > > > > > > > > >May be your libido is normal and taht's why you feel no > > >increase? > > > > > > > > >Mine is non existent, so any increase would be more than > > >welcome. > > > > > > > > >Also, where do you get it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: " Dowling " <dowlic@...> > > > > > > > > > >Reply- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Subject: RE: Re: Starting HCG today > > > > > > > > > >Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 13:00:27 +0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Yeah- I've been taking it for years, at a very low dose > > >('bout > > > > >1-2 > > > > > > > > >mg/day). > > > > > > > > > >I recently increased to 2-3 mg/day. But I really haven't > > > >noticed > > > > > >any > > > > > > > > >effect > > > > > > > > > >on libido. Perhaps this dose is still too low... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: " A ADR " <alexdr@...> > > > > > > > > > > >Reply- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Subject: RE: Re: Starting HCG today > > > > > > > > > > >Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 17:48:05 -0800 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > >I read his posts, he mentiones a drug Selegeline, which > >is > > >a > > > > > > >dopamine > > > > > > > > > > >enhancer used in Parkinson's. > > > > > > > > > > >I've read about it long time ago, but could not get a > > > > > >prescription. > > > > > > > > > > >Anyone ever tried it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: " Philip Georgian " <pmgamer18@...> > > > > > > > > > > > >Reply- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: Starting HCG today > > > > > > > > > > > >Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 00:51:21 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Try post number 4548 through 4554 for Zolt's >post > >1 > > > > > >through > > > > > > > >7. > > > > > > > > > > > >Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yesterday was last Androgel application and > >will > > > > >start > > > > > > > >1000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > units > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HCG three times a week starting today. Plan > >is > > >to > > > > >go > > > > > > > >about > > > > > > > > > > > >6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > weeks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then blood work to determine if the HCG > > > > >stimulates > > > > > > >my > > > > > > > > > > > >nuts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enough for them to produce testosterone. > > >Whatever > > > > >is > > > > > > > >needed > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > produced will then be supplemented by > > >testosterone > > > > > > >cream. > > > > > > > > > > > > > That > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the plan my endo and I have come up with. > >This > > > > >should > > > > > > >be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interesting after 32 years of Depo > >testosterone > > > > >shots > > > > > > >with > > > > > > > > > > > >my > > > > > > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nuts not doing much at all really. > > >Interestingly, > > > > >the > > > > > > > >shots > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > intermuscular about one inch into the >thighs. > >I > > > > >have > > > > > > >read > > > > > > > > > > > >on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > list of others directed to do insulin needle > > >just > > > > > >under > > > > > > > >the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > surface > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but for some unexplained reason my endo is > > > >directing > > > > > > > > > > > > > intermuscle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On another note, taking 5mg of Androgel a > >day > > > >put > > > > > >my > > > > > > >T > > > > > > > > > > > > > count > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 204, still way low. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nort828 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > >Take off on a romantic weekend or a family adventure to > > >these > > > > > >great > > > > > > > > >U.S. > > > > > > > > > > >locations. > > >http://special.msn.com/local/hotdestinations.armx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > >Stay informed on Election 2004 and the race to Super >Tuesday. > > > > > > > > >http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > >Find and compare great deals on Broadband access at the MSN > > > >High-Speed > > > > > > >Marketplace. > > >http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200360ave/direct/01/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > > >Dream of owning a home? Find out how in the First-time Home Buying > > >Guide. > > > > >http://special.msn.com/home/firsthome.armx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > >Store more e-mails with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage – 4 plans to choose > >from! > > >http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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