Re: Any Ideas-Bruce

[Guest guest]

Hi Mick,

I suspect the dose is too low, but I may not understand the

difference between the Sustanon 100 you're taking and the

testosterone-cypionate I'm taking. If I read the ingredient

information correctly, you're taking the equivalent of 74 mg of T

every 2 weeks. I'm injecting 200mg of T every 10 days.

If that's correct, it would explain why you aren't getting results.

Good news, there's the explanation and the solution is simple.

1cc is about as much as should be taken at a time. Seems to

me that you should move the injections to weekly, but by all

means get other opinions. If you're getting a blood test next week

you can adjust from that.

Best,

Bruce

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Sustanon 100 Ingredients:

20mg testosterone propionate (Ph.Eur.)

40mg testosterone phenylpropionate (BP)

40mg testosterone isocaproate (BP)

(equivalent to 74mg of testosterone)

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> > Six injections over 13 weeks and still no resolution to CFS,

no

> > spontanious erects or any libido. Aftyer the first 3 injections

the

> > testosterone was lifted by 25% and still below the norm.

Friday

> week

> > will see another blood test and i feel that i will be in the

normal

> > range with resoleve to libido, erections a CFS. Any ideas?

> > Mick

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi again Mick,

I'm guessing at this. Based on what you're feeling (and not

feeling), T at your next test isn't going to be much higher than it

was before you started injections. There's a reason for that. The

supplemental T you've added is enough to shut down what

natural production you had, but not enough to get you back

beyond where you were. (Anyone: Am I on or off track here?)

I mention this so you can avoid a misinterpretation. If T is about

the same after 13 weeks of injections, it might be assumed that

it simply wasn't working, so why bother to continue with it? The

correct interpretation would be the dose would need to be

increased, with another test after so many weeks.

Bruce

> > > Six injections over 13 weeks and still no resolution to CFS,

> no

> > > spontanious erects or any libido. Aftyer the first 3 injections

> the

> > > testosterone was lifted by 25% and still below the norm.

> Friday

> > week

> > > will see another blood test and i feel that i will be in the

> normal

> > > range with resoleve to libido, erections a CFS. Any ideas?

> > > Mick

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Mick,

Long winded answers follow. Meant to help, not confuse.

Re your msg. 18356,

Makes sense for your GP to proceed slowly, but not TOO slowly.

T levels rise quickly with injections, IMO fast enough to judge

how you feel & do confirming tests a week after the 3rd bi-weekly

injection.

Here's a possible definition of caution for your doc: any dose that

does not exceed the maximum recommendation for Sustanon

250 is acceptable. (Unless some of your particular issues

indicate otherwise.)

Going from 74mg T every 2 weeks (Sustanon 100) to 176mg

every week (Sustanon 250) is a big jump, but the latter dose is

still not excessive. Nothing prevents you & your GP from

adjusting the injection dose or timing to meet your specific

needs.

Do you self-inject? I finally learned how, & it makes things

simpler and convenient. I made it through the " squeamish " part

surprisingly quickly.

Re your msg. 18357,

Yeah, at that rate it seems like it will yake a long time to get

where you want to be.

The shot regime is lifelong. If you can't cope with them you might

want to switch to a T cream (creams/gels don't work well for

some people. I went from a gel to shots).

Your absolutely right about the factors. The benefits of treatment

have to outweigh the nuisances. You won't be able to judge the

benefits until you see some significant results.

From what I hear, oral steriods like Oxandrolone aren't very

effective for hypogonadism.

Re your msg. 18358,

Did the endo give any explanation of why he didn't want to treat

you? (Just curious.)

The numbers look right (T conversion factor between ng/dL &

nmol/L is 0.0347).

Another 13 weeks? Half a year is just too long to see if the med

even gives you satisfactory results, let alone fine-tune dosage. I

think your doc will understand that. He'll be looking at you and

the tests, so the argument for more agressive treatment will be

right in front of him. Make sure he add's the following to your list

of symptoms: " Patient vigorously complains about lack of timely

clinical results " . I'm only half joking.

Best,

Bruce