Re: Low T after pellets - Ideas?

[Guest guest]

> Hi,

>

> What medications are you taking?

>

> ernestnolan

Hi, here's the list:

Hypogonadism, secondary:

Testosterone: implanted pellets, 1200 mg Started 4/5/04 (Dr.

Schwartz)

Arimidex: 1 mg 3 times/week as directed. Started 4/5/04 (Dr.

Schwartz)

Hypertenson:

Elanapril: 40mg./day, in A.M.

Felodipine: 10 mg. in AM

Hydrochlorothiazide: 25 mg/day in A.M.

High cholesterol:

Lipitor (atorvastatin calcium): 80 mg/day, in P.M. (Dr. Myers)

Bipolar/anxiety disorders:

Lamotrogine (Lamictal): 300 mg./day, 150 in A.M. & 150 in P.M.

(Dr. Donnelly at VAMC)

Clonazepam (Klonopin): 0.5 mg/day in P.M. (Dr. Donnelly at

VAMC)

Fluoxetine:. 20 mg/day in A.M. (increased from 10 mg/day

11/4/03) (Dr. Donnelly at VAMC)

Alchoholism:

(Dicontinued 6/5/04, possible adverse testosterone effects)

Disulfiram (Antabuse): 250 mg/day, in A.M. (Dr. Donnelly at

VAMC)

Other conditions:

Aspirin therapy: 81 mg/day, in A.M. (per Dr. Donoho)

Viagra: 50 mg as needed (Dr. w/refills from Dr. Plotzker)

Zovirax 5% ointment as needed for facial herpes outbreaks. (Dr.

Myers)

Vitamins/Supplements:

L-Lysene: Seems very helpful in reducing facial herpes

outbreaks, 1000 mg/day maintenance, 2000 mg/day during

outbreaks.

Multivitamins, 1 tablet/day

Additional vitamin C, 1000 mg/day

Additional zinc, 50 mg/day

Additional calcium, 250 mg/day

Soy milk

[Guest guest]

Looks to me like: TOO MANY MEDICATIONS.

Drop everything except for testosterone pellets and possibly

arimidex depending on your estradiol levels. Keep the vitamins.

Give it a try.

Within a couple of months, you will likely find that there is no

more need, nore is there a place, for the anti depresents with

proper hormone therapy.

Armyguy

P.S. Of course, I understand that these are serious drugs and

everything should be done under doctors supervision. Point is

though, hypogonadism is very VERY likely what caused you to need

those psychiatric drugs in the first place and now that you are

addressing the hypo properly, time to drop the rest of the drugs.

> > Hi,

> >

> > What medications are you taking?

> >

> > ernestnolan

>

> Hi, here's the list:

>

> Hypogonadism, secondary:

> Testosterone: implanted pellets, 1200 mg Started 4/5/04 (Dr.

> Schwartz)

> Arimidex: 1 mg 3 times/week as directed. Started 4/5/04 (Dr.

> Schwartz)

>

> Hypertenson:

> Elanapril: 40mg./day, in A.M.

> Felodipine: 10 mg. in AM

> Hydrochlorothiazide: 25 mg/day in A.M.

>

> High cholesterol:

> Lipitor (atorvastatin calcium): 80 mg/day, in P.M. (Dr. Myers)

>

> Bipolar/anxiety disorders:

> Lamotrogine (Lamictal): 300 mg./day, 150 in A.M. & 150 in P.M.

> (Dr. Donnelly at VAMC)

> Clonazepam (Klonopin): 0.5 mg/day in P.M. (Dr. Donnelly at

> VAMC)

> Fluoxetine:. 20 mg/day in A.M. (increased from 10 mg/day

> 11/4/03) (Dr. Donnelly at VAMC)

>

> Alchoholism:

> (Dicontinued 6/5/04, possible adverse testosterone effects)

> Disulfiram (Antabuse): 250 mg/day, in A.M. (Dr. Donnelly at

> VAMC)

>

> Other conditions:

> Aspirin therapy: 81 mg/day, in A.M. (per Dr. Donoho)

> Viagra: 50 mg as needed (Dr. w/refills from Dr. Plotzker)

> Zovirax 5% ointment as needed for facial herpes outbreaks. (Dr.

> Myers)

>

> Vitamins/Supplements:

> L-Lysene: Seems very helpful in reducing facial herpes

> outbreaks, 1000 mg/day maintenance, 2000 mg/day during

> outbreaks.

> Multivitamins, 1 tablet/day

> Additional vitamin C, 1000 mg/day

> Additional zinc, 50 mg/day

> Additional calcium, 250 mg/day

> Soy milk

[Guest guest]

Armyguy,

Too right.

I'm sure getting T & E2 managed will help all the conditions the

meds are for. Hope to drop most or all of them, probably one at a

time. I planned to start once I got my energy levels up, but it's

looking more and more like I have to drop the meds to do that.

Under doctor's supervision.

Thanks,

Bruce

> > > Hi,

> > >

> > > What medications are you taking?

> > >

> > > ernestnolan

> >

> > Hi, here's the list:

> >

> > Hypogonadism, secondary:

> > Testosterone: implanted pellets, 1200 mg Started 4/5/04 (Dr.

> > Schwartz)

> > Arimidex: 1 mg 3 times/week as directed. Started 4/5/04 (Dr.

> > Schwartz)

> >

> > Hypertenson:

> > Elanapril: 40mg./day, in A.M.

> > Felodipine: 10 mg. in AM

> > Hydrochlorothiazide: 25 mg/day in A.M.

> >

> > High cholesterol:

> > Lipitor (atorvastatin calcium): 80 mg/day, in P.M. (Dr. Myers)

> >

> > Bipolar/anxiety disorders:

> > Lamotrogine (Lamictal): 300 mg./day, 150 in A.M. & 150 in

P.M.

> > (Dr. Donnelly at VAMC)

> > Clonazepam (Klonopin): 0.5 mg/day in P.M. (Dr. Donnelly at

> > VAMC)

> > Fluoxetine:. 20 mg/day in A.M. (increased from 10 mg/day

> > 11/4/03) (Dr. Donnelly at VAMC)

> >

> > Alchoholism:

> > (Dicontinued 6/5/04, possible adverse testosterone effects)

> > Disulfiram (Antabuse): 250 mg/day, in A.M. (Dr. Donnelly at

> > VAMC)

> >

> > Other conditions:

> > Aspirin therapy: 81 mg/day, in A.M. (per Dr. Donoho)

> > Viagra: 50 mg as needed (Dr. w/refills from Dr.

Plotzker)

> > Zovirax 5% ointment as needed for facial herpes outbreaks.

(Dr.

> > Myers)

> >

> > Vitamins/Supplements:

> > L-Lysene: Seems very helpful in reducing facial herpes

> > outbreaks, 1000 mg/day maintenance, 2000 mg/day during

> > outbreaks.

> > Multivitamins, 1 tablet/day

> > Additional vitamin C, 1000 mg/day

> > Additional zinc, 50 mg/day

> > Additional calcium, 250 mg/day

> > Soy milk

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Didn't mean to give you hope that I could give you any help with this

list. Just thought it was good to let others see the list and maybe

make comments.

ernestnolan

> > Hi,

> >

> > What medications are you taking?

> >

> > ernestnolan

>

> Hi, here's the list:

>

> Hypogonadism, secondary:

> Testosterone: implanted pellets, 1200 mg Started 4/5/04 (Dr.

> Schwartz)

> Arimidex: 1 mg 3 times/week as directed. Started 4/5/04 (Dr.

> Schwartz)

>

> Hypertenson:

> Elanapril: 40mg./day, in A.M.

> Felodipine: 10 mg. in AM

> Hydrochlorothiazide: 25 mg/day in A.M.

>

> High cholesterol:

> Lipitor (atorvastatin calcium): 80 mg/day, in P.M. (Dr. Myers)

>

> Bipolar/anxiety disorders:

> Lamotrogine (Lamictal): 300 mg./day, 150 in A.M. & 150 in P.M.

> (Dr. Donnelly at VAMC)

> Clonazepam (Klonopin): 0.5 mg/day in P.M. (Dr. Donnelly at

> VAMC)

> Fluoxetine:. 20 mg/day in A.M. (increased from 10 mg/day

> 11/4/03) (Dr. Donnelly at VAMC)

>

> Alchoholism:

> (Dicontinued 6/5/04, possible adverse testosterone effects)

> Disulfiram (Antabuse): 250 mg/day, in A.M. (Dr. Donnelly at

> VAMC)

>

> Other conditions:

> Aspirin therapy: 81 mg/day, in A.M. (per Dr. Donoho)

> Viagra: 50 mg as needed (Dr. w/refills from Dr. Plotzker)

> Zovirax 5% ointment as needed for facial herpes outbreaks. (Dr.

> Myers)

>

> Vitamins/Supplements:

> L-Lysene: Seems very helpful in reducing facial herpes

> outbreaks, 1000 mg/day maintenance, 2000 mg/day during

> outbreaks.

> Multivitamins, 1 tablet/day

> Additional vitamin C, 1000 mg/day

> Additional zinc, 50 mg/day

> Additional calcium, 250 mg/day

> Soy milk

[Guest guest]

Bruce,

Did they tell you why you need 3 different meds for hypertension? I'm

only on one... maybe that's an area where you could reduce the number

of meds and possibly reduce the T complications?

Mark

[Guest guest]

Bruce,

I did a " drug holiday " (that's the offical term) about a year ago

under doctor's supervision and found it to be helpful. He wouldn't

let me go off the hypertension meds, but he took me off everything

else. It has allowed more specific targeting for medications. And it

may have eliminated some side-effects problems.

Mark

[Guest guest]

Phil,

Good info, thanks! I have to take a beta-blocker for tachycardia,

orthostatic problems, arithmyas, etc, but my doc thinks these may be T

related, so maybe I can get off that eventually.

Mark

> Hi for BP you guys should look at this drug it helps ED and does not

cause it.

> http://seniorhealth.about.com/cs/sex/a/cozaar.htm

> Phil

>

[Guest guest]

Armyguy, , ernestnolan, Mark, Phil and others-

Many thanks for the comments. My doc ran my med list past his

compounding pharmacy (Solutions Pharmacy in Chatanooga

TN), they couldn't ascribe any particular med as interfering with

TRT. That they know of. Regardless, I'm putting together a

medication reduction plan. Psych meds will be tapered off slowly

& carefully. Last time I stopped them suddenly (at a doctor's

misdirection) I ended up in one of those places where they take

away your shoelaces.

Peace,

Bruce

> > > Hi,

> > >

> > > What medications are you taking?

> > >

> > > ernestnolan

> >

> > Hi, here's the list:

> >

> > Hypogonadism, secondary:

> > Testosterone: implanted pellets, 1200 mg Started 4/5/04 (Dr.

> > Schwartz)

> > Arimidex: 1 mg 3 times/week as directed. Started 4/5/04 (Dr.

> > Schwartz)

> >

> > Hypertenson:

> > Elanapril: 40mg./day, in A.M.

> > Felodipine: 10 mg. in AM

> > Hydrochlorothiazide: 25 mg/day in A.M.

> >

> > High cholesterol:

> > Lipitor (atorvastatin calcium): 80 mg/day, in P.M. (Dr. Myers)

> >

> > Bipolar/anxiety disorders:

> > Lamotrogine (Lamictal): 300 mg./day, 150 in A.M. & 150 in

P.M.

> > (Dr. Donnelly at VAMC)

> > Clonazepam (Klonopin): 0.5 mg/day in P.M. (Dr. Donnelly at

> > VAMC)

> > Fluoxetine:. 20 mg/day in A.M. (increased from 10 mg/day

> > 11/4/03) (Dr. Donnelly at VAMC)

> >

> > Alchoholism:

> > (Dicontinued 6/5/04, possible adverse testosterone effects)

> > Disulfiram (Antabuse): 250 mg/day, in A.M. (Dr. Donnelly at

> > VAMC)

> >

> > Other conditions:

> > Aspirin therapy: 81 mg/day, in A.M. (per Dr. Donoho)

> > Viagra: 50 mg as needed (Dr. w/refills from Dr.

Plotzker)

> > Zovirax 5% ointment as needed for facial herpes outbreaks.

(Dr.

> > Myers)

> >

> > Vitamins/Supplements:

> > L-Lysene: Seems very helpful in reducing facial herpes

> > outbreaks, 1000 mg/day maintenance, 2000 mg/day during

> > outbreaks.

> > Multivitamins, 1 tablet/day

> > Additional vitamin C, 1000 mg/day

> > Additional zinc, 50 mg/day

> > Additional calcium, 250 mg/day

> > Soy milk

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Hope they will let you keep your PC so we can break in and make a

rescue when they throw away the key.

ernestnolan

> > > > Hi,

> > > >

> > > > What medications are you taking?

> > > >

> > > > ernestnolan

> > >

> > > Hi, here's the list:

> > >

> > > Hypogonadism, secondary:

> > > Testosterone: implanted pellets, 1200 mg Started 4/5/04 (Dr.

> > > Schwartz)

> > > Arimidex: 1 mg 3 times/week as directed. Started 4/5/04 (Dr.

> > > Schwartz)

> > >

> > > Hypertenson:

> > > Elanapril: 40mg./day, in A.M.

> > > Felodipine: 10 mg. in AM

> > > Hydrochlorothiazide: 25 mg/day in A.M.

> > >

> > > High cholesterol:

> > > Lipitor (atorvastatin calcium): 80 mg/day, in P.M. (Dr. Myers)

> > >

> > > Bipolar/anxiety disorders:

> > > Lamotrogine (Lamictal): 300 mg./day, 150 in A.M. & 150 in

> P.M.

> > > (Dr. Donnelly at VAMC)

> > > Clonazepam (Klonopin): 0.5 mg/day in P.M. (Dr. Donnelly at

> > > VAMC)

> > > Fluoxetine:. 20 mg/day in A.M. (increased from 10 mg/day

> > > 11/4/03) (Dr. Donnelly at VAMC)

> > >

> > > Alchoholism:

> > > (Dicontinued 6/5/04, possible adverse testosterone effects)

> > > Disulfiram (Antabuse): 250 mg/day, in A.M. (Dr. Donnelly at

> > > VAMC)

> > >

> > > Other conditions:

> > > Aspirin therapy: 81 mg/day, in A.M. (per Dr. Donoho)

> > > Viagra: 50 mg as needed (Dr. w/refills from Dr.

> Plotzker)

> > > Zovirax 5% ointment as needed for facial herpes outbreaks.

> (Dr.

> > > Myers)

> > >

> > > Vitamins/Supplements:

> > > L-Lysene: Seems very helpful in reducing facial herpes

> > > outbreaks, 1000 mg/day maintenance, 2000 mg/day during

> > > outbreaks.

> > > Multivitamins, 1 tablet/day

> > > Additional vitamin C, 1000 mg/day

> > > Additional zinc, 50 mg/day

> > > Additional calcium, 250 mg/day

> > > Soy milk

[Guest guest]

What is hypertension?

> Bruce,

>

> Did they tell you why you need 3 different meds for hypertension?

I'm

> only on one... maybe that's an area where you could reduce the

number

> of meds and possibly reduce the T complications?

>

> Mark

[Guest guest]

Yah, be smart about it. Don't want them to take away your shoelaces

again .

Armyguy

> > > > Hi,

> > > >

> > > > What medications are you taking?

> > > >

> > > > ernestnolan

> > >

> > > Hi, here's the list:

> > >

> > > Hypogonadism, secondary:

> > > Testosterone: implanted pellets, 1200 mg Started 4/5/04 (Dr.

> > > Schwartz)

> > > Arimidex: 1 mg 3 times/week as directed. Started 4/5/04 (Dr.

> > > Schwartz)

> > >

> > > Hypertenson:

> > > Elanapril: 40mg./day, in A.M.

> > > Felodipine: 10 mg. in AM

> > > Hydrochlorothiazide: 25 mg/day in A.M.

> > >

> > > High cholesterol:

> > > Lipitor (atorvastatin calcium): 80 mg/day, in P.M. (Dr. Myers)

> > >

> > > Bipolar/anxiety disorders:

> > > Lamotrogine (Lamictal): 300 mg./day, 150 in A.M. & 150 in

> P.M.

> > > (Dr. Donnelly at VAMC)

> > > Clonazepam (Klonopin): 0.5 mg/day in P.M. (Dr. Donnelly at

> > > VAMC)

> > > Fluoxetine:. 20 mg/day in A.M. (increased from 10 mg/day

> > > 11/4/03) (Dr. Donnelly at VAMC)

> > >

> > > Alchoholism:

> > > (Dicontinued 6/5/04, possible adverse testosterone effects)

> > > Disulfiram (Antabuse): 250 mg/day, in A.M. (Dr. Donnelly at

> > > VAMC)

> > >

> > > Other conditions:

> > > Aspirin therapy: 81 mg/day, in A.M. (per Dr. Donoho)

> > > Viagra: 50 mg as needed (Dr. w/refills from Dr.

> Plotzker)

> > > Zovirax 5% ointment as needed for facial herpes outbreaks.

> (Dr.

> > > Myers)

> > >

> > > Vitamins/Supplements:

> > > L-Lysene: Seems very helpful in reducing facial herpes

> > > outbreaks, 1000 mg/day maintenance, 2000 mg/day during

> > > outbreaks.

> > > Multivitamins, 1 tablet/day

> > > Additional vitamin C, 1000 mg/day

> > > Additional zinc, 50 mg/day

> > > Additional calcium, 250 mg/day

> > > Soy milk

[Guest guest]

Armyguy,

High blood pressure.

Mark

> What is hypertension?

>

> -