Guest guest Posted November 29, 1999 Report Share Posted November 29, 1999 Carol, Thanks! This is very interesting about using Klonopin to offset relapses. And it is good to know that you have done okay being on Klonopin long term...I would ascertain if one is lucky enough to get better then Cheney would have the dosage slowly decreased? I hate taking drugs so I tend to " undertake " them (this is because I've been hospitalized too many times from drug problems during the years my CFS was undiagnosed and my drs. gave me incorrect drugs.) >Several of Cheney's doctor patients (patients who are doctors) reported >that if they had significantly recovered, then felt a relapse coming on, >and immediately took twice their prior dose of Klonopin and magnesium, it >seemed to stop the relapse in it's tracks, or make it a very mild short >one. He told me this at my first visit in 1996, and at my October visit I >asked if that was still proving to be the case. He said oh yes. > >Take care. Carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2000 Report Share Posted April 6, 2000 you can get help for your child's needs under either plan. IEP seems to carry more weight with schools because they know more about it, but 504 guarantees free and appropriate education too. If your child only has a designation as ocd and no other learning disability, I'd go ahead and do 504 and it could be carried through after public school as a matter of course. If he has a learning disability of any kind, I'd do the IEP to have a little more clout. I'm a school psych so I believe this to be the way it is in most districts. >>> <egroups> 04/06 2:26 AM >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ LOW RATE, NO WAIT! Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 2.9% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Learn more at: 1/937/3/_/531051/_/955005969/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ You may subscribe to the OCD-L by emailing listserv@... . In the body of your message write: subscribe OCD-L your name. The Archives and Links List for the OCD and Parenting List may be accessed by going to / . Enter your email address and password. Click on the highlighted list name and then click on message archives by month or links located in the toolbar. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ There are 15 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Re: ] Re: school From: j.monnens@... 2. my new motto From: j.monnens@... 3. Re: Zoloft Dosage From: mugsymc@... 4. Re: Lori/walks From: Roman <chrisroman@...> 5. Re:sibling issues From: Roman <chrisroman@...> 6. Fwd: OCF workshop on OCD in the School Setting From: Mamimiz@... 7. Fwd: OCF workshop on OCD in the School Setting From: Mamimiz@... 8. Re: ] Re: school From: Mamimiz@... 9. Re: Re: /hypermorality From: vinlin@... 10. Re: Dr. Grayson at ADAA Conference From: larkspurmr@... 11. Re: ] From: Rondeb674@... 12. Re: ] From: Dana Carvalho <clayvon@...> 13. Re: ] From: " Judith C. Lovchik " <jlovchik@...> 14. Re: ] Re: school From: " Judith C. Lovchik " <jlovchik@...> 15. Re: ] From: <maryth3@...> ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 08:07:49 -0400 From: j.monnens@... Subject: Re: ] Re: school Judy: First, your SD must have a school psychologist. There may not be one per school, but there should be one for elementary, one for middle and one for HS. Also, to find an advocate, visit the pacer website: www.pacer.org There are links to find advocates nation-wide. At one point, I had my son's therapist come to the school to talk to the teacher, principal and psychologist. That convinced them that my son was not just " being lazy " and, in fact, had a NBD that effected his school performance (not to mention every other aspect of his life). Jule in Cleveland ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 08:35:52 -0400 From: j.monnens@... Subject: my new motto Hi All: I can't remember where I read this yesterday, but it was so good I copied it down and plan to use it as my new motto for life with OCD. " full catastrophe living " Jule in Cleveland ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:13:34 EDT From: mugsymc@... Subject: Re: Zoloft Dosage Sorry NetDad, I just signed on for the first time in a few days. My Daughters Dr. prescribes the 25mg pills that I have to cut in half and then she takes 1 1/2 tablets in the morning, which equals 37.5mg. My kids wont take anything in a liquid form and have been swallowing medicines since they were about 1 year and a half old. Hope this helps. Lynne in NY ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 08:33:01 -0700 From: Roman <chrisroman@...> Subject: Re: Lori/walks Hi Lori, Congratulations on your " walk therapy. " Kelsey and I did the night walks too when OCD was raging. It is such a soothing time of day when it is dark and quiet. We would walk and hold hands and she too would really open up. Sometimes the simple things do a world of good! I'm glad your depression is easing! Take care, in San Diego ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 08:51:43 -0700 From: Roman <chrisroman@...> Subject: Re:sibling issues Hi all, The sibling issue was tough for us too. Since Kelsey's brother was only 4 when everything fell apart a year ago, and he sort of accepted Kelsey's OCD quirks at face value, Dr. Hat suggested we leave it at that and not explain too much. This was sort of hard for me. As a young child trying to understand the ways of the world, he sometimes mimiced his big sister's fussiness about contaminated food, bedtime anxiety, etc. The worst though was when we rented videos and he had to check with her to make sure his choice passed muster for being uncontaminated. I allowed this, as contaminated videos were way up on the hierarchy, but it felt very dysfunctional. Then one time she changed her mind after he brought his video home and told me that if he watched it, the house would then become poison and she could never come back in. I was really frightened as I believed her and we had had one instance where it took me hours to coax her back in. He ended up watching it when she was gone, but had to promise not to tell her because I knew the house would still become contaminated. More dysfunction with secrets, etc. Then once he wanted to read a book and she said I couldn't read it to him or the house would be poison, I knew it was time to draw the line. He was just so confused and upset and looking to me to set a limit, because it obviously wasn't fair. Fortunately, we were well on our way with CBT by then so I assured her I wouldn't do it just yet...that I would help find a compromise we could all live with. She agreed to go outside and cover her ears while we read and then I would help her come back in the house. It worked! A funny story*last night was fretting at bedtime...the sheets were too bunched up, he couldn't find his " blankie " . Finally Steve told him to " boss it. " He said, " But daddy, I don't have a bad guy! " (what Kelsey calls her OCD.) And Steve said he wasn't so sure about that! continues to be a little OC. I continue to remain hopeful he doesn't have the disorder. It's difficult to sort out at this age without severe symptoms. Maybe this encouragement to boss back will help increase his awarenesss of the need to resist any OC stuff early on. I figure this is a good culture to encourage in our family for all of us. Daddy and Kelsey are currently working on nailbiting issues together Take care, in San Diego ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 14:14:49 EDT From: Mamimiz@... Subject: Fwd: OCF workshop on OCD in the School Setting [This message contained attachments] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 14:15:26 EDT From: Mamimiz@... Subject: Fwd: OCF workshop on OCD in the School Setting [This message contained attachments] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 14:20:20 EDT From: Mamimiz@... Subject: Re: ] Re: school My advice is go ahead and ask for the 504. Many schools don't do that because it costs them resources. Once you have the 504, it protects your child legally and the school would be held accountable for their actions. Take it from a parent that went down that road. Things were awful until she finally got official accommodations. Because the school blew it, they are now paying for her private education. Mamimiz ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 14:09:45 -0500 From: vinlin@... Subject: Re: Re: /hypermorality Hi Kathy, > I try to explain OCD to him but knowing something > intellectually does not prepare anyone enough for the tough emotional ride > of being a constant/frequent OCD trigger. > This is one of the really tough things to deal with in our home as well. Poor seems to get the brunt of 's contamination issues also. She triggers him and doesn't understand how sometimes. Oh the work we have to do to maintain calm and peacefulness in the household. I mean as calm as you can manage when ocd resides in the home. It always helps me so much to read the posts here and it reminds me we are not alone out here dealing with this. Thanks to all of you and take care, in La. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 10 Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:34:19 EDT From: larkspurmr@... Subject: Re: Dr. Grayson at ADAA Conference Hi Jim, Thanks for posting all that information from the ADAA Conference. Did Lee Fitzgibbons speak at the conference? Also do you know or does anyone else know if you can request resource room services under the " 504 " plan or does that come under Special Ed services? Thanks for any info. Noelle in NY ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 11 Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 17:11:20 EDT From: Rondeb674@... Subject: Re: ] Hi everyone. I'm learning so much from this forum of experts. My daughter will be going to the dr. today for her initial appointment for diagnosis. I know it's OCD because so many in my family suffer from it. My question to all of you is " if the dr. prescribes medication, should I begin giving it to my daughter if she will be in Italy (with school, not family) beginning Sat. for ten days? " I understand these meds can take a while to become effective and I want them to work a.s.a.p. I am worried about not being with her in case something happens. What do you all think? Thanks, Debbie ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 12 Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 19:06:39 -0400 From: Dana Carvalho <clayvon@...> Subject: Re: ] Hi Debbie, If it were me I would wait. Otherwise I would worry while she was gone. This is just my opinion based on my knowledge of myself and my own daughter, who would need reassurance ( at first) that if she were tired or hungry or whatever, that it wasn't the meds. I would think well I waited this long I can wait ten more days. Dana in NC Rondeb674@... wrote: > Hi everyone. I'm learning so much from this forum of experts. My daughter > will be going to the dr. today for her initial appointment for diagnosis. I > know it's OCD because so many in my family suffer from it. My question to > all of you is " if the dr. prescribes medication, should I begin giving it to > my daughter if she will be in Italy (with school, not family) beginning Sat. > for ten days? " I understand these meds can take a while to become effective > and I want them to work a.s.a.p. I am worried about not being with her in > case something happens. What do you all think? > Thanks, > Debbie > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > LOW RATE, NO WAIT! > Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates > as low as 2.9% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. > Learn more at: > 1/937/3/_/531051/_/954969089/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > You may subscribe to the OCD-L by emailing > listserv@... . > In the body of your message write: > subscribe OCD-L your name. > The Archives and Links List for the OCD and > Parenting List may be accessed by going to > / . > Enter your email address and password. > Click on the highlighted list name and then click on message archives by month or links located in the toolbar. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 13 Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 20:44:30 -0400 From: " Judith C. Lovchik " <jlovchik@...> Subject: Re: ] I always wait until my son will be home to start giving new meds. You never know how it will work out, and it is safer for the child tto be at home with someone that knows him and what he is usually like. Judy Rondeb674@... wrote: > > Hi everyone. I'm learning so much from this forum of experts. My > daughter > will be going to the dr. today for her initial appointment for > diagnosis. I > know it's OCD because so many in my family suffer from it. My > question to > all of you is " if the dr. prescribes medication, should I begin giving > it to > my daughter if she will be in Italy (with school, not family) > beginning Sat. > for ten days? " I understand these meds can take a while to become > effective > and I want them to work a.s.a.p. I am worried about not being with > her in > case something happens. What do you all think? > Thanks, > Debbie > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > You may subscribe to the OCD-L by emailing > listserv@... . > In the body of your message write: > subscribe OCD-L your name. > The Archives and Links List for the OCD and > Parenting List may be accessed by going to > / . > Enter your email address and password. > Click on the highlighted list name and then click on message archives > by month or links located in the toolbar. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 14 Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 20:47:48 -0400 From: " Judith C. Lovchik " <jlovchik@...> Subject: Re: ] Re: school I'm sure you are right. Judy Mamimiz@... wrote: > > My advice is go ahead and ask for the 504. Many schools don't do that > > because it costs them resources. Once you have the 504, it protects > your > child legally and the school would be held accountable for their > actions. > Take it from a parent that went down that road. Things were awful > until she > finally got official accommodations. Because the school blew it, they > are > now paying for her private education. > > Mamimiz > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > You may subscribe to the OCD-L by emailing > listserv@... . > In the body of your message write: > subscribe OCD-L your name. > The Archives and Links List for the OCD and > Parenting List may be accessed by going to > / . > Enter your email address and password. > Click on the highlighted list name and then click on message archives > by month or links located in the toolbar. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 15 Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 19:15:21 -0500 From: <maryth3@...> Subject: Re: ] Hi Debbie! I say wait....ten days is not going to make that much of a difference. Of course you should discuss this with your Dr. When my son was first starting on SSRI's (prozac) I was chosen to sit on a sequestered jury and ended up being away from home for 8 or 9 days. I talked to the school staff and everyone that would be seeing him and working with him prior to being locked up, to ask them to keep up with any changes in personality, behavior, work etc..... Not one person made a note or communicated in any way while I was away....I was totally sequestered and couldn't even talk on the phone to anyone. I almost went nuts with worry and finally the judge gave in and granted me a day of visitation. I noticed a big change, but couldn't really put my finger on exactly what it was.....he was just so glad to see me. Apparently the prozac had a very negative reaction on him and things were really getting out of hand and other meds needed to be given. I just didn't know at the time if it was because he was missing me, if the prozac was just not the drug for him or a combination of the two. Will you be going on this trip with your daughter? If your have any doubt, I think you would feel a lot better if you discussed this with your daughter's Dr. Take care and the best of luck to you! mary from La. Rondeb674@... wrote: > Hi everyone. I'm learning so much from this forum of experts. My daughter > will be going to the dr. today for her initial appointment for diagnosis. I > know it's OCD because so many in my family suffer from it. My question to > all of you is " if the dr. prescribes medication, should I begin giving it to > my daughter if she will be in Italy (with school, not family) beginning Sat. > for ten days? " I understand these meds can take a while to become effective > and I want them to work a.s.a.p. I am worried about not being with her in > case something happens. What do you all think? > Thanks, > Debbie > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > LOW RATE, NO WAIT! > Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates > as low as 2.9% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. > Learn more at: > 1/937/3/_/531051/_/954969089/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > You may subscribe to the OCD-L by emailing > listserv@... . > In the body of your message write: > subscribe OCD-L your name. > The Archives and Links List for the OCD and > Parenting List may be accessed by going to > / . > Enter your email address and password. > Click on the highlighted list name and then click on message archives by month or links located in the toolbar. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2000 Report Share Posted April 6, 2000 in addition to the info I just posted, I'll give you a name of a friend who is an administrator over school psychs in Holtsville. Her name is Arlene Crandall, workphone 516-874-4994. Tell her in Oklahoma gave you her name >>> <egroups> 04/06 2:26 AM >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ LOW RATE, NO WAIT! Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 2.9% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Learn more at: 1/937/3/_/531051/_/955005969/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ You may subscribe to the OCD-L by emailing listserv@... . In the body of your message write: subscribe OCD-L your name. The Archives and Links List for the OCD and Parenting List may be accessed by going to / . Enter your email address and password. Click on the highlighted list name and then click on message archives by month or links located in the toolbar. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ There are 15 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Re: ] Re: school From: j.monnens@... 2. my new motto From: j.monnens@... 3. Re: Zoloft Dosage From: mugsymc@... 4. Re: Lori/walks From: Roman <chrisroman@...> 5. Re:sibling issues From: Roman <chrisroman@...> 6. Fwd: OCF workshop on OCD in the School Setting From: Mamimiz@... 7. Fwd: OCF workshop on OCD in the School Setting From: Mamimiz@... 8. Re: ] Re: school From: Mamimiz@... 9. Re: Re: /hypermorality From: vinlin@... 10. Re: Dr. Grayson at ADAA Conference From: larkspurmr@... 11. Re: ] From: Rondeb674@... 12. Re: ] From: Dana Carvalho <clayvon@...> 13. Re: ] From: " Judith C. Lovchik " <jlovchik@...> 14. Re: ] Re: school From: " Judith C. Lovchik " <jlovchik@...> 15. Re: ] From: <maryth3@...> ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 08:07:49 -0400 From: j.monnens@... Subject: Re: ] Re: school Judy: First, your SD must have a school psychologist. There may not be one per school, but there should be one for elementary, one for middle and one for HS. Also, to find an advocate, visit the pacer website: www.pacer.org There are links to find advocates nation-wide. At one point, I had my son's therapist come to the school to talk to the teacher, principal and psychologist. That convinced them that my son was not just " being lazy " and, in fact, had a NBD that effected his school performance (not to mention every other aspect of his life). Jule in Cleveland ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 08:35:52 -0400 From: j.monnens@... Subject: my new motto Hi All: I can't remember where I read this yesterday, but it was so good I copied it down and plan to use it as my new motto for life with OCD. " full catastrophe living " Jule in Cleveland ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:13:34 EDT From: mugsymc@... Subject: Re: Zoloft Dosage Sorry NetDad, I just signed on for the first time in a few days. My Daughters Dr. prescribes the 25mg pills that I have to cut in half and then she takes 1 1/2 tablets in the morning, which equals 37.5mg. My kids wont take anything in a liquid form and have been swallowing medicines since they were about 1 year and a half old. Hope this helps. Lynne in NY ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 08:33:01 -0700 From: Roman <chrisroman@...> Subject: Re: Lori/walks Hi Lori, Congratulations on your " walk therapy. " Kelsey and I did the night walks too when OCD was raging. It is such a soothing time of day when it is dark and quiet. We would walk and hold hands and she too would really open up. Sometimes the simple things do a world of good! I'm glad your depression is easing! Take care, in San Diego ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 08:51:43 -0700 From: Roman <chrisroman@...> Subject: Re:sibling issues Hi all, The sibling issue was tough for us too. Since Kelsey's brother was only 4 when everything fell apart a year ago, and he sort of accepted Kelsey's OCD quirks at face value, Dr. Hat suggested we leave it at that and not explain too much. This was sort of hard for me. As a young child trying to understand the ways of the world, he sometimes mimiced his big sister's fussiness about contaminated food, bedtime anxiety, etc. The worst though was when we rented videos and he had to check with her to make sure his choice passed muster for being uncontaminated. I allowed this, as contaminated videos were way up on the hierarchy, but it felt very dysfunctional. Then one time she changed her mind after he brought his video home and told me that if he watched it, the house would then become poison and she could never come back in. I was really frightened as I believed her and we had had one instance where it took me hours to coax her back in. He ended up watching it when she was gone, but had to promise not to tell her because I knew the house would still become contaminated. More dysfunction with secrets, etc. Then once he wanted to read a book and she said I couldn't read it to him or the house would be poison, I knew it was time to draw the line. He was just so confused and upset and looking to me to set a limit, because it obviously wasn't fair. Fortunately, we were well on our way with CBT by then so I assured her I wouldn't do it just yet...that I would help find a compromise we could all live with. She agreed to go outside and cover her ears while we read and then I would help her come back in the house. It worked! A funny story*last night was fretting at bedtime...the sheets were too bunched up, he couldn't find his " blankie " . Finally Steve told him to " boss it. " He said, " But daddy, I don't have a bad guy! " (what Kelsey calls her OCD.) And Steve said he wasn't so sure about that! continues to be a little OC. I continue to remain hopeful he doesn't have the disorder. It's difficult to sort out at this age without severe symptoms. Maybe this encouragement to boss back will help increase his awarenesss of the need to resist any OC stuff early on. I figure this is a good culture to encourage in our family for all of us. Daddy and Kelsey are currently working on nailbiting issues together Take care, in San Diego ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 14:14:49 EDT From: Mamimiz@... Subject: Fwd: OCF workshop on OCD in the School Setting [This message contained attachments] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 14:15:26 EDT From: Mamimiz@... Subject: Fwd: OCF workshop on OCD in the School Setting [This message contained attachments] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 14:20:20 EDT From: Mamimiz@... Subject: Re: ] Re: school My advice is go ahead and ask for the 504. Many schools don't do that because it costs them resources. Once you have the 504, it protects your child legally and the school would be held accountable for their actions. Take it from a parent that went down that road. Things were awful until she finally got official accommodations. Because the school blew it, they are now paying for her private education. Mamimiz ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 14:09:45 -0500 From: vinlin@... Subject: Re: Re: /hypermorality Hi Kathy, > I try to explain OCD to him but knowing something > intellectually does not prepare anyone enough for the tough emotional ride > of being a constant/frequent OCD trigger. > This is one of the really tough things to deal with in our home as well. Poor seems to get the brunt of 's contamination issues also. She triggers him and doesn't understand how sometimes. Oh the work we have to do to maintain calm and peacefulness in the household. I mean as calm as you can manage when ocd resides in the home. It always helps me so much to read the posts here and it reminds me we are not alone out here dealing with this. Thanks to all of you and take care, in La. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 10 Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:34:19 EDT From: larkspurmr@... Subject: Re: Dr. Grayson at ADAA Conference Hi Jim, Thanks for posting all that information from the ADAA Conference. Did Lee Fitzgibbons speak at the conference? Also do you know or does anyone else know if you can request resource room services under the " 504 " plan or does that come under Special Ed services? Thanks for any info. Noelle in NY ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 11 Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 17:11:20 EDT From: Rondeb674@... Subject: Re: ] Hi everyone. I'm learning so much from this forum of experts. My daughter will be going to the dr. today for her initial appointment for diagnosis. I know it's OCD because so many in my family suffer from it. My question to all of you is " if the dr. prescribes medication, should I begin giving it to my daughter if she will be in Italy (with school, not family) beginning Sat. for ten days? " I understand these meds can take a while to become effective and I want them to work a.s.a.p. I am worried about not being with her in case something happens. What do you all think? Thanks, Debbie ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 12 Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 19:06:39 -0400 From: Dana Carvalho <clayvon@...> Subject: Re: ] Hi Debbie, If it were me I would wait. Otherwise I would worry while she was gone. This is just my opinion based on my knowledge of myself and my own daughter, who would need reassurance ( at first) that if she were tired or hungry or whatever, that it wasn't the meds. I would think well I waited this long I can wait ten more days. Dana in NC Rondeb674@... wrote: > Hi everyone. I'm learning so much from this forum of experts. My daughter > will be going to the dr. today for her initial appointment for diagnosis. I > know it's OCD because so many in my family suffer from it. My question to > all of you is " if the dr. prescribes medication, should I begin giving it to > my daughter if she will be in Italy (with school, not family) beginning Sat. > for ten days? " I understand these meds can take a while to become effective > and I want them to work a.s.a.p. I am worried about not being with her in > case something happens. What do you all think? > Thanks, > Debbie > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > LOW RATE, NO WAIT! > Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates > as low as 2.9% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. > Learn more at: > 1/937/3/_/531051/_/954969089/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > You may subscribe to the OCD-L by emailing > listserv@... . > In the body of your message write: > subscribe OCD-L your name. > The Archives and Links List for the OCD and > Parenting List may be accessed by going to > / . > Enter your email address and password. > Click on the highlighted list name and then click on message archives by month or links located in the toolbar. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 13 Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 20:44:30 -0400 From: " Judith C. Lovchik " <jlovchik@...> Subject: Re: ] I always wait until my son will be home to start giving new meds. You never know how it will work out, and it is safer for the child tto be at home with someone that knows him and what he is usually like. Judy Rondeb674@... wrote: > > Hi everyone. I'm learning so much from this forum of experts. My > daughter > will be going to the dr. today for her initial appointment for > diagnosis. I > know it's OCD because so many in my family suffer from it. My > question to > all of you is " if the dr. prescribes medication, should I begin giving > it to > my daughter if she will be in Italy (with school, not family) > beginning Sat. > for ten days? " I understand these meds can take a while to become > effective > and I want them to work a.s.a.p. I am worried about not being with > her in > case something happens. What do you all think? > Thanks, > Debbie > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > You may subscribe to the OCD-L by emailing > listserv@... . > In the body of your message write: > subscribe OCD-L your name. > The Archives and Links List for the OCD and > Parenting List may be accessed by going to > / . > Enter your email address and password. > Click on the highlighted list name and then click on message archives > by month or links located in the toolbar. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 14 Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 20:47:48 -0400 From: " Judith C. Lovchik " <jlovchik@...> Subject: Re: ] Re: school I'm sure you are right. Judy Mamimiz@... wrote: > > My advice is go ahead and ask for the 504. Many schools don't do that > > because it costs them resources. Once you have the 504, it protects > your > child legally and the school would be held accountable for their > actions. > Take it from a parent that went down that road. Things were awful > until she > finally got official accommodations. Because the school blew it, they > are > now paying for her private education. > > Mamimiz > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > You may subscribe to the OCD-L by emailing > listserv@... . > In the body of your message write: > subscribe OCD-L your name. > The Archives and Links List for the OCD and > Parenting List may be accessed by going to > / . > Enter your email address and password. > Click on the highlighted list name and then click on message archives > by month or links located in the toolbar. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 15 Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 19:15:21 -0500 From: <maryth3@...> Subject: Re: ] Hi Debbie! I say wait....ten days is not going to make that much of a difference. Of course you should discuss this with your Dr. When my son was first starting on SSRI's (prozac) I was chosen to sit on a sequestered jury and ended up being away from home for 8 or 9 days. I talked to the school staff and everyone that would be seeing him and working with him prior to being locked up, to ask them to keep up with any changes in personality, behavior, work etc..... Not one person made a note or communicated in any way while I was away....I was totally sequestered and couldn't even talk on the phone to anyone. I almost went nuts with worry and finally the judge gave in and granted me a day of visitation. I noticed a big change, but couldn't really put my finger on exactly what it was.....he was just so glad to see me. Apparently the prozac had a very negative reaction on him and things were really getting out of hand and other meds needed to be given. I just didn't know at the time if it was because he was missing me, if the prozac was just not the drug for him or a combination of the two. Will you be going on this trip with your daughter? If your have any doubt, I think you would feel a lot better if you discussed this with your daughter's Dr. Take care and the best of luck to you! mary from La. Rondeb674@... wrote: > Hi everyone. I'm learning so much from this forum of experts. My daughter > will be going to the dr. today for her initial appointment for diagnosis. I > know it's OCD because so many in my family suffer from it. My question to > all of you is " if the dr. prescribes medication, should I begin giving it to > my daughter if she will be in Italy (with school, not family) beginning Sat. > for ten days? " I understand these meds can take a while to become effective > and I want them to work a.s.a.p. I am worried about not being with her in > case something happens. What do you all think? > Thanks, > Debbie > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > LOW RATE, NO WAIT! > Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates > as low as 2.9% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. > Learn more at: > 1/937/3/_/531051/_/954969089/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > You may subscribe to the OCD-L by emailing > listserv@... . > In the body of your message write: > subscribe OCD-L your name. > The Archives and Links List for the OCD and > Parenting List may be accessed by going to > / . > Enter your email address and password. > Click on the highlighted list name and then click on message archives by month or links located in the toolbar. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2000 Report Share Posted August 19, 2000 In a message dated 8/19/00 2:51:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, atlantic1@... writes: << Using green tea, which is far lower in caffeine than black tea and brewing for at least 8 days would leave very little to no caffeine. >> I am sorry, I am confused. Is kombucha tea the same as green tea? And also how is it possible to brew a tea for eight days? Robin G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2000 Report Share Posted August 19, 2000 Thanks Kris...I forget to add that very important fact re: Kombucha and probiotic power. Are you by chance on the list and do you brew your own? I was on the list, but decided to take a break since the BC list is soooo active as well. ----- Re: cafeine in Kombucha tea. Yes if you use regular black or green teas, however you can use herbal teas. There is a green tea known as " special gunpowder " made by Temple of Heaven, that does not contain cafeine. This is the tea of choice my dear friend uses. (my friend that gave me my first culture 2 months ago) ----- Re: Cilantro...I will definitely give that mix a try!!! Thanks!! ----- I also understand that the superfood chorella has chelating power...I believe Dr Benard Jensen swears by it...must research that... ----- When I had my amalgams removed, I made sure I took selenium (200mcg daily) and vitamin E(800mg daily)...along with other antioxidants. Robin, your reaction could be caused from either. My skin sometimes breaks out when I am detoxing as well. What about enema cleansing? ----- Re: Coffee enemas. It is my understanding that the coffee stimulates the liver and gallbladder to release their toxins. The " cafeine " does not effect you as if you were drinking it...it's going in and out the other end!!! Did you know that if one were to take the amount of cafeine in a cup of coffee, and shoot into your blood...you would die!!! Yeah, it's pretty toxic stuff. ----- On that note...HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND!!! :0) dONNA ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2000 Report Share Posted August 20, 2000 I would caution against using a tea without any caffeine at all because the culture needs the food! It is a component of caffeine that is vital to producing some of the best nutrients of the brew. Using green tea, which is far lower in caffeine than black tea and brewing for at least 8 days would leave very little to no caffeine. I am extremely sensitive to caffeine, and even with a green and black tea mix as my starter, I still have no problems with the caffeine in the final brew. And yes, Donna, I am on thelist at egroups which is really cool, and much better than that other one with the control freak at the helm. kris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2000 Report Share Posted September 19, 2000 > I also understand that the superfood chorella has chelating power...I > believe Dr Benard Jensen swears by it...must research that... I've mostly been lurking, but I thought I'd jump in... Bernard Jensen has a number of books on chlorella. " Chlorella Gem of the Orient " and " Chlorella Jewel of the Far East " . The information you will find in these books is amazing. It would be good to research. Bernard Jensen mainly endorses Sun Chlorella, (their site is http://www.sunchlorellausa.com/ a lot of good information here!), but he also endorses Eden Chlorella which is newer (but only sold in Scandinavia). This is a minimally processed chlorella (less processed than Sun Chlorella) and has the nutrients intact while also breaking the cellwall 99%. I have access to Eden Chlorella, cause my father created the process, so if you want some info, let me know. Maya maya@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2000 Report Share Posted September 27, 2000 In a message dated 09/27/2000 4:35:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Multiples-DSegroups writes: > Sheryl, Where do you live? Anywhere near Virginia? Unfortunately not -- I live in Connecticut.... anyone in the area (feel free to respond privately)? Sheryl -- mom to Caleb, Louisa(ds) and Ethan, 14 months (and just got their first hair cuts today!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2000 Report Share Posted October 31, 2000 make it a good day/ label jars not people... I like that that is one of the smartest things Ive heard all week.. I just might make a bumpersticker out of that one. There is this little old lady (bout 90 yrs old) who lives in my hometown, she wears bags on her feet, and has holes in her shoes, old cloths, and works on her tracter on her farm 7 days a week. Her truck is rusted and beat up, and she looks like her bathroom shower broke years ago.....but....she's the nicest lady on the planet, and has a bank account Bill Gates would gasp at... One day, when i win the 6/49, im going to be as excentric as that lady and sit in my home and make soaps, talk to myself, become an introvert, till the goats come home *L* http://www.thesoapgoat.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2000 Report Share Posted October 31, 2000 >From: " d-lance " <d-lance@...> >at... >One day, when i win the 6/49, im going to be as excentric as that lady and >sit in my home and make soaps, talk to myself, become an introvert, till >the >goats come home *L* This poem comes to mind.... When I am an Old Woman From Warning -- by ph I shall wear purple With a red hat which doesn't go, and doesn't suit me. And I shall spend my pension on brandy and summer gloves. And satin sandals, and say we've no money for butter. I shall sit down on the pavement when I'm tired And gobble up samples in shops and press alarm bells And run my stick along the public railings And make up for the sobriety of my youth. I shall go out in my slippers in the rain And pick the flowers in other people's gardens And learn to spit. You can wear terrible shirts and grow more fat And eat three pounds of sausages at a go Or only bread and a pickle for a week. And hoard pens and pencils and beermats and things in boxes. But now we must have clothes that keep us dry And pay our rent and not swear in the street And set a good example for the children. We will have friends to dinner and read the papers. But maybe I ought to practice a little now? So people who know me are not too shocked and surprised When suddenly I am old and start to wear purple. Lucy _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2000 Report Share Posted December 3, 2000 Tricia, Thanks for the info re: oregano. Would like to know more if you care to share. A search for grapefruit seed extract turns up some web sites such as: http://www.imhotepinc.com/ITPwho.htm http://www.nutriteam.com/ Let me know what you find out! Frances Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2000 Report Share Posted December 7, 2000 Frances, Can't remember if mentioned that I have only spoken to the customers I used to wait on at the HFS I used to work at - never used it myself - the grapefruit seed extract or oregano - great testimonials especially for sinus. Got rave reviews from both. The only thing I noticed is that the oregano seems to have a breath odor along with it - would not think the grapefruit seed extract would. I had a minute just to look up the websites you recommended - I will read more later. Thanks for the info! Did you have some specific questions? Let me know. Tricia In a message dated 12/3/00 2:51:38 PM, fnokes@... writes: << Tricia, Thanks for the info re: oregano. Would like to know more if you care to share. A search for grapefruit seed extract turns up some web sites such as: http://www.imhotepinc.com/ITPwho.htm http://www.nutriteam.com/ Let me know what you find out! Frances Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2001 Report Share Posted February 19, 2001 This sounds like disinformation... Can anyone confirm that Doctor has been " raided " , with (forgive me, but listing sources) certainty? Can anyone confirm that the clinic is or is not out of business? (again, with sources please) Thanks! KeepSmiling! -Dean ----- Forwarded by Dean Eldridge Junior on 02/19/2001 10:15 AM ----- There are 2 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Re: CLARK CLINIC RAIDED IN MEXICO From: " " <catlucent@...> 2. Re: CLARK CLINIC RAIDED IN MEXICO From: Jan Bolen <jurimed@...> ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 13:48:49 -0000 From: " " <catlucent@...> Subject: Re: CLARK CLINIC RAIDED IN MEXICO > Yesterday afternoon, they moved against a second Tijuana clinic, > Century Nutrition, which for the past three years has been operating > from the bottom floor of a pink stucco house near the San Ysidro > border crossing. Oh my, please all keep us informed on what is happening. This is so disheartening, to me for Dr. . I pray for good news so her research may continue and help the lives she has touched. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 08:24:19 -0800 (PST) From: Jan Bolen <jurimed@...> Subject: Re: CLARK CLINIC RAIDED IN MEXICO --- osshady@... wrote: Excuse me, who are you? Jan Bolen __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2001 Report Share Posted February 21, 2001 In a message dated 02/21/2001 1:27:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, paul.dean@... writes: << Can anyone confirm that the clinic is or is not out of business? (again, with sources please) >> From: david@... (Dr. Assn.) I have to give oyu some bad news today. Dr. 's clinic was closed down yesterday by Mexican authorities. The authorities claim Dr. did not have the necessary licenses. Dr. says she does. The newspapers confirmed that she was entitled to do nutritional consulting in Mexico, according to her papers. All IVs etc. were done by the doctor who also worked there, so we can't really see why they say she does not have a license. We can only guess that our quackwatch friend Barrett may have provided them with some false information. We do not have much more information but will inform you as soon as we know more. Sincerely P. Amrein ----------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2002 Report Share Posted October 27, 2002 Terrific Jelayne! You go girl, just keep doing what your doing its really working! Thanks and sue. IM saving this digest so i will have the info to look at some of those tapes. i really do need the toning videos, as i have some 2 pound and 8 pound weights already, just confused how to best use them. when you look at still PICS in a magazine or web page it can be confusing how to PROPERLY use them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 You need to check with the cheaper airlines, Southwest, Flyi, JetBlue, Airtran , etc. Go directly to their web sites or call their 800 numbers. You should be able to get something cheaper!! Good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 You need to check with the cheaper airlines, Southwest, Flyi, JetBlue, Airtran , etc. Go directly to their web sites or call their 800 numbers. You should be able to get something cheaper!! Good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 You need to check with the cheaper airlines, Southwest, Flyi, JetBlue, Airtran , etc. Go directly to their web sites or call their 800 numbers. You should be able to get something cheaper!! Good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 Hi Janine, I have used Spirit Airlines website to book flights and Worryfreevacations.com (a charter flight) if I was going for a full week. When I was traveling, those sites had the best prices (even over Expedia and Travelocity). Tish MY NEXT QUESTION DOES ANYONE GET GOOD PRICES OFF THE INTERNET FOR PLANE FLIGHTS AND IF YOU DO WHAT WEB SITE DO YOU USE?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 Hi Janine, I have used Spirit Airlines website to book flights and Worryfreevacations.com (a charter flight) if I was going for a full week. When I was traveling, those sites had the best prices (even over Expedia and Travelocity). Tish MY NEXT QUESTION DOES ANYONE GET GOOD PRICES OFF THE INTERNET FOR PLANE FLIGHTS AND IF YOU DO WHAT WEB SITE DO YOU USE?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 Hi Janine, I have used Spirit Airlines website to book flights and Worryfreevacations.com (a charter flight) if I was going for a full week. When I was traveling, those sites had the best prices (even over Expedia and Travelocity). Tish MY NEXT QUESTION DOES ANYONE GET GOOD PRICES OFF THE INTERNET FOR PLANE FLIGHTS AND IF YOU DO WHAT WEB SITE DO YOU USE?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 Thanks Tish I got so frustrated trying to look online that i ended up calling travel angencies and they dont even do just airfare pricing so i had to call all the airlines out of san francisco and i think i found the cheapest one for the 5 of us we can fly from here to Pa. for 2000.00 does that sound ok?? I hardly ever fly and i have never flew that far in over 20 years so i am not sure if that is the best price or not Thanks again Janine Kusak <rkusak116830MI@...> wrote: Hi Janine,I have used Spirit Airlines website to book flights andWorryfreevacations.com (a charter flight) if I was going for a full week. When I was traveling, those sites had the best prices (even over Expedia andTravelocity).TishMY NEXT QUESTION DOES ANYONE GET GOOD PRICES OFF THE INTERNET FOR PLANEFLIGHTS AND IF YOU DO WHAT WEB SITE DO YOU USE?? Start your day with - make it your home page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 Thanks Tish I got so frustrated trying to look online that i ended up calling travel angencies and they dont even do just airfare pricing so i had to call all the airlines out of san francisco and i think i found the cheapest one for the 5 of us we can fly from here to Pa. for 2000.00 does that sound ok?? I hardly ever fly and i have never flew that far in over 20 years so i am not sure if that is the best price or not Thanks again Janine Kusak <rkusak116830MI@...> wrote: Hi Janine,I have used Spirit Airlines website to book flights andWorryfreevacations.com (a charter flight) if I was going for a full week. When I was traveling, those sites had the best prices (even over Expedia andTravelocity).TishMY NEXT QUESTION DOES ANYONE GET GOOD PRICES OFF THE INTERNET FOR PLANEFLIGHTS AND IF YOU DO WHAT WEB SITE DO YOU USE?? Start your day with - make it your home page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 Thanks Tish I got so frustrated trying to look online that i ended up calling travel angencies and they dont even do just airfare pricing so i had to call all the airlines out of san francisco and i think i found the cheapest one for the 5 of us we can fly from here to Pa. for 2000.00 does that sound ok?? I hardly ever fly and i have never flew that far in over 20 years so i am not sure if that is the best price or not Thanks again Janine Kusak <rkusak116830MI@...> wrote: Hi Janine,I have used Spirit Airlines website to book flights andWorryfreevacations.com (a charter flight) if I was going for a full week. When I was traveling, those sites had the best prices (even over Expedia andTravelocity).TishMY NEXT QUESTION DOES ANYONE GET GOOD PRICES OFF THE INTERNET FOR PLANEFLIGHTS AND IF YOU DO WHAT WEB SITE DO YOU USE?? Start your day with - make it your home page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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