Re: What is our body missing?

[Guest guest]

Did you get your questions answered about the vitamin D drops?

Leo.]

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> I hear it every time: depleted body resources, lack of minerals,

etc,

> etc. Are there any signs, any ways to tell which minerals, vitamins

> and other resources the body is missing?

[Guest guest]

All I got were references to the book.

> > I hear it every time: depleted body resources, lack of minerals,

> etc,

> > etc. Are there any signs, any ways to tell which minerals,

vitamins

> > and other resources the body is missing?

[Guest guest]

Howdy Ludmil,

Yes..there certainly are! Just as plants show symptoms which

indicate nitrogen deficiency (yellow leaves) or any other the

specific minerals that plants need which have distinct symptoms,

so do animals.

Vitamin deficiencies cause different diseases. For example, lack

of Vitamin B1 causes beri beri ( a disease much seen in

prisoners of war in Japanese camps)

Vitamin C deficiency causes scurvy...in the Northern Territory,

where I used to live, every wet season folks would come down

with " Barcoo Rot " which is a form of scurvy which exhibits

itself as skin and mouth ulcers. The reason there was a vit C

deficiency during the wet season was because the roads from down

south were cut off and we could not get fresh fruit and

veggies...the cure for this was to grow bean sprouts and eat

them..mothers were encouraged to grow bean sprouts and feed them

to their children by the local medical staff.

Vit D deficiency causes rickets (where the bones do not grow

properly in children and they are all bandy legged etc). Vit D

is normally obtained by sunlight on the skin and by eating foods

rich in Vit D such as cod liver oil.

Vit B12 deficiency is an interesting one..it is usually only

seen in vegans in Western countries. B12 is actually a cyanide

compound and is produced in the gut of most animals by

micro-organisms. Unfortunately, in humans, these micro-organisms

reside too far down in our gut and thus the vit B12 they produce

is unable to be absorbed..so all our Vit B12 which is produced

by them is evacuated in our faeces. Human and animal poo is a

rich source of the vitamin!! The only way humans can get Vit B12

is to eat animal products such as liver or eggs which contain it

already..OR..to eat unwashed vegetables which have been grown in

water containing sewage..as the B12 producing bugs live in

sewage and the Vit B12 they produce adheres to the surface of

the veggies. This is why religious vegans such as those found in

India have been successful as vegans for thousands of years..as

the standards of hygiene are not the same as in our Western

culture. Western vegans have to take B12 supplements in the form

of pills ..the Vit B12 in these pills is usually artificially

created in a lab, or is produced from beef liver (rather defeats

the purpose of being a vegan, doesn't it!).

You can get Vit B12 from fungi such as yeasts and mushrooms but

the amounts are not reliable as in products such as beef liver.

Lack of B12 causes anaemia and nervous disorders and eventually

non reversible brain damage.

Iron deficiency causes anaemia too, because iron is needed for

the production of haemoglobin in the red blood cells which

transport the oxygen from the lungs to the cells of the body.

The symptoms of iron deficiency are weakness, breathlessness,

dry skin, cracked soles on the feet and paleness inside the

eyelids and it is very common in women,

even with a normal diet..due to blood loss with the monthly

period or during pregnancy.

Calcium deficiency causes brittle bones etc.

Normally you would not get any of these deficiency diseases if

you eat a healthy balanced diet with fresh fruits and veggies in

it (with some exceptions where the deficiency is caused by blood

loss or the inability to utilise various minerals and vitamins

etc).

Friday, August 04, 2000, 6:24:45 AM, you wrote:

LE> I hear it every time: depleted body resources, lack of minerals, etc,

LE> etc. Are there any signs, any ways to tell which minerals, vitamins

LE> and other resources the body is missing?

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Best regards,

Woofie

Http://www.woofess.com mailto:woofie@...

[Guest guest]

What you got were references to page numbers IN the book, where you

would find answers to your questions.

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> > > I hear it every time: depleted body resources, lack of

minerals,

> > etc,

> > > etc. Are there any signs, any ways to tell which minerals,

> vitamins

> > > and other resources the body is missing?

[Guest guest]

In case you missed it, Ludmil, here are the page numbers again:

pages 65,65,66,74,81,87,88,158,217,218,254 regarding your question.

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> > > > I hear it every time: depleted body resources, lack of

> minerals,

> > > etc,

> > > > etc. Are there any signs, any ways to tell which minerals,

> > vitamins

> > > > and other resources the body is missing?

[Guest guest]

Hey, thank you for the detailed answer.

My Gosh, what a long list of diseases! Do I have to wait to get them

in order to see that I have vitamine defficiency? :-)

Here's what I found on vitamin B12 in the book " Cleanse & Purify

Thyself " by Dr. (a must read BOOK!) on page 13-299:

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B-12 absorption requires the presence of an intrinsic factor, the

secretion of the gastric mucosa by parental cells, to transport the

vitamin across the intestinal mucosa. B-12 defficiency is really

related to an intestinal problem, and not much whether the food we eat

has B-12.

Critics of vegetarianism say that vegetarians do not get enough

vitamin B-12 because a usable form cannot be found anywhere in the

food kingdom except in animal flesh. That is not true. We get B-12

from raw vegetables, algae, legumes, and most importantly, from our

own intestinal flora. Nearly all of the studies on B-12 deficiencies,

which I have read, have been done with meat-eaters, not vegetarians.

In addition, it is interesting to note that the majority of the people

in the world are entirely or primarly vegetarian.

LATEST RESEARCH ABOUT B-12

We don't need to eat food containing vitamin B-12 to obtain B-12. The

real trouble most people have is that they can't absorb the B-12,

either from the food they eat or from the bacteria which is supposed

to manufacture this vitamin in their small intestines, because their

digestive system is on the blink.

Research has been performed involving vitamin B-12 growth and

absorbtion in the digestive tract. In one study, it was found that

HUGE amounts of vitamin B-12 were produced in the colon when the

correct type of bacteria was present. Another study found that colon

bacteria of vegan vegetarians make anough vitamin B-12, but the B-12

was not absorbed through the colon wall (probably due to an old bildup

fo mucoid plaque).

We know perfectly well that in a healthy body, all the necessary

vitamin B-12 is produced in the intestines; this vitamin mixes with

the bile and is easily absorbed by the small intestine. THE ONLY

REQUIREMENT IS A HEALTHY DIGESTIVE SYUSTEM.

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SORRY, I cannot type more, I am at work :-)

Ludmil

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> Howdy Ludmil,

>

> Yes..there certainly are! Just as plants show symptoms which

> indicate nitrogen deficiency (yellow leaves) or any other the

> specific minerals that plants need which have distinct

symptoms,

> so do animals.

>

> Vitamin deficiencies cause different diseases. For example,

lack

> of Vitamin B1 causes beri beri ( a disease much seen in

> prisoners of war in Japanese camps)

>

> Vitamin C deficiency causes scurvy...in the Northern

Territory,

> where I used to live, every wet season folks would come down

> with " Barcoo Rot " which is a form of scurvy which exhibits

> itself as skin and mouth ulcers. The reason there was a vit C

> deficiency during the wet season was because the roads from

down

> south were cut off and we could not get fresh fruit and

> veggies...the cure for this was to grow bean sprouts and eat

> them..mothers were encouraged to grow bean sprouts and feed

them

> to their children by the local medical staff.

>

> Vit D deficiency causes rickets (where the bones do not grow

> properly in children and they are all bandy legged etc). Vit D

> is normally obtained by sunlight on the skin and by eating

foods

> rich in Vit D such as cod liver oil.

>

> Vit B12 deficiency is an interesting one..it is usually only

> seen in vegans in Western countries. B12 is actually a cyanide

> compound and is produced in the gut of most animals by

> micro-organisms. Unfortunately, in humans, these

micro-organisms

> reside too far down in our gut and thus the vit B12 they

produce

> is unable to be absorbed..so all our Vit B12 which is produced

> by them is evacuated in our faeces. Human and animal poo is a

> rich source of the vitamin!! The only way humans can get Vit

B12

> is to eat animal products such as liver or eggs which contain

it

> already..OR..to eat unwashed vegetables which have been grown

in

> water containing sewage..as the B12 producing bugs live in

> sewage and the Vit B12 they produce adheres to the surface of

> the veggies. This is why religious vegans such as those found

in

> India have been successful as vegans for thousands of

years..as

> the standards of hygiene are not the same as in our Western

> culture. Western vegans have to take B12 supplements in the

form

> of pills ..the Vit B12 in these pills is usually artificially

> created in a lab, or is produced from beef liver (rather

defeats

> the purpose of being a vegan, doesn't it!).

>

> You can get Vit B12 from fungi such as yeasts and mushrooms

but

> the amounts are not reliable as in products such as beef

liver.

> Lack of B12 causes anaemia and nervous disorders and

eventually

> non reversible brain damage.

>

> Iron deficiency causes anaemia too, because iron is needed for

> the production of haemoglobin in the red blood cells which

> transport the oxygen from the lungs to the cells of the body.

> The symptoms of iron deficiency are weakness, breathlessness,

> dry skin, cracked soles on the feet and paleness inside the

> eyelids and it is very common in women,

> even with a normal diet..due to blood loss with the monthly

> period or during pregnancy.

>

> Calcium deficiency causes brittle bones etc.

>

> Normally you would not get any of these deficiency diseases if

> you eat a healthy balanced diet with fresh fruits and veggies

in

> it (with some exceptions where the deficiency is caused by

blood

> loss or the inability to utilise various minerals and vitamins

> etc).

>

>

> Friday, August 04, 2000, 6:24:45 AM, you wrote:

> LE> I hear it every time: depleted body resources, lack of minerals,

etc,

> LE> etc. Are there any signs, any ways to tell which minerals,

vitamins

> LE> and other resources the body is missing?

>

>

> --

> Best regards,

> Woofie

>

> Http://www.woofess.com mailto:woofie@w...

[Guest guest]

Howdy Ludmil,

Saturday, August 05, 2000, 3:58:45 AM, you wrote:

LE> Hey, thank you for the detailed answer.

LE> My Gosh, what a long list of diseases! Do I have to wait to get them

LE> in order to see that I have vitamine defficiency? :-)

Nope..because if you don't exhibit any of those diseases/symptoms, you

don't have a deficiency:)

As to Dr 's book..he is quite correct in regards to the

intrinsic factor..a number of folks do not have this intrinsic factor

present (usually genetic causes) and thus cannot absorb B12 thru the

gut...the main disease caused by this lack is called pernicious anemia

and such folk have to have B12 injections..else they eventually die.

However the doctor is quite incorrect in a number of his other

assertions:

1. A healthy gut has no influence on whether we can absorb our own

B12..as I mentioned before, the micro-organisms responsible for

synthesising it in other animals' guts are situated too far down in

the human intestine..where absorption of the vitamin cannot take

place, so it is passed out in the faeces. It is not due to mucoid

plaque as the lining of the intestines is stripped continuously and

passed out in your faeces. It is a physical limitation

of the human digestive tract..not due to good or bad health or diet.

Even if there was such a thing as mucoid plaque, the gut wall in the

colon would still not allow the absorption of B12 if the mucoid plaque

was removed...there is simply no mechanism for B12's absorption in

this area of the gut.

2. Plants (green plants or organisms which photosynthesise or

autotrophs or whatever you prefer to call them) cannot synthesise B12,

nor would they need to, as it is not needed for green plant

metabolism. The only organisms which can synthesise this vitamin are

specific micro organisms and other saprophytes such as fungi. The B12

chemical is a by product of the break down of dead and decaying

matter..hence sewage is a rich source of nutrient for these

micro-organisms.

3. Again the only successful vegans are ones who eat unwashed

veggies..as the micro-organisms, responsible, are found in the water

etc which is used to irrigate the crops and the B12 is deposited on

the surface of the veggies. According to my Indian friends in India,

true Vegans are rare..even in India, because it is so hard to make

sure of getting all the essential nutrients the human body needs when

eating a diet of only vegetables and fruit and grains. Actually, in

China, all human sewage is tipped into the communal and family fish

ponds to feed the fish..in China all villages, communities and even

individual farms have their own fish ponds as fish is a major

component of an otherwise mostly veggie and grain diet..yes I know

this is true because I have been to China and witnessed this

myself..obviously the Chinese would never suffer from B12 deficiency

*grin*.

Adults, who turn Vegan, can exist on such a diet for a certain length

of time as we only need very minute amounts of B12 and it is a vitamin

which is stored in the liver, unlike Vit C which is not stored.

Infants of vegans cannot exist on a diet without B12 as B12 is

essential for normal growth and development..in Australia Vegans are

advised strongly to give their children normal diets as there were so

many cases of children having serious deficiency diseases due to lack

of B12 and other amino acids (found in animal products only) essential

to normal growth and development.

You typing posts at work? You naughty boy! *big grin*

regards

W:)

LE> Here's what I found on vitamin B12 in the book " Cleanse & Purify

LE> Thyself " by Dr. (a must read BOOK!) on page 13-299:

LE> -----------------------------------------------

LE> B-12 absorption requires the presence of an intrinsic factor, the

LE> secretion of the gastric mucosa by parental cells, to transport the

LE> vitamin across the intestinal mucosa. B-12 defficiency is really

LE> related to an intestinal problem, and not much whether the food we eat

LE> has B-12.

LE> Critics of vegetarianism say that vegetarians do not get enough

LE> vitamin B-12 because a usable form cannot be found anywhere in the

LE> food kingdom except in animal flesh. That is not true. We get B-12

LE> from raw vegetables, algae, legumes, and most importantly, from our

LE> own intestinal flora. Nearly all of the studies on B-12 deficiencies,

LE> which I have read, have been done with meat-eaters, not vegetarians.

LE> In addition, it is interesting to note that the majority of the people

LE> in the world are entirely or primarly vegetarian.

LE> LATEST RESEARCH ABOUT B-12

LE> We don't need to eat food containing vitamin B-12 to obtain B-12. The

LE> real trouble most people have is that they can't absorb the B-12,

LE> either from the food they eat or from the bacteria which is supposed

LE> to manufacture this vitamin in their small intestines, because their

LE> digestive system is on the blink.

LE> Research has been performed involving vitamin B-12 growth and

LE> absorbtion in the digestive tract. In one study, it was found that

LE> HUGE amounts of vitamin B-12 were produced in the colon when the

LE> correct type of bacteria was present. Another study found that colon

LE> bacteria of vegan vegetarians make anough vitamin B-12, but the B-12

LE> was not absorbed through the colon wall (probably due to an old bildup

LE> fo mucoid plaque).

LE> We know perfectly well that in a healthy body, all the necessary

LE> vitamin B-12 is produced in the intestines; this vitamin mixes with

LE> the bile and is easily absorbed by the small intestine. THE ONLY

LE> REQUIREMENT IS A HEALTHY DIGESTIVE SYUSTEM.

LE> -----------------------------------------

LE> SORRY, I cannot type more, I am at work :-)

--

Best regards,

Woofie

Http://www.woofess.com mailto:woofie@...