Re: Protocols and religious rituals..

May 3, 2003

Why would anyone want to do 300 liver cleanses? That doesn't make any sense and

in fact I would be inclined to say that it could be " addictive " and maybe even

dangerous except for the fact that someone seems to have survived hundereds of

cleanses. Are we starting a new " religion " ? I know that people do some pretty

strange things; like myself for instance when I fasted for over forty days and

passed one of those five foot long toxic serpents that glowed phosphourescent

green in the early morning light..Thank God the tide was just starting to go out

and so I never had to look at it again. It also spared the native village of

Alert Bay.It was the " best " bowel movement I've ever had; though I've had a few

good ones whilst being on this parasite cleanse..

Seriously though...If I miss doing a weekly maintenance parasite cleanse, does

this mean that I have to start all over again? How long does it take for the

body to be reinfested with those nasty creatures? What I worry about is getting

the system so wired to liver cleanses and parasite cleanses that one can never

return to " normal " and consequently always be struggling to keep one's bowel

movements under control..It's like people who become addicted to enemas and

colon cleanses..I'm certain that a lot of this is like a " religion " that once it

has hold of you; never lets go.There seems to be a " spirit " involved

here...Whether or not we like to believe it; the human species has this inborn

desire to " worship " something and if they refuse or reject GOD; then they turn

to something else.like evolution or UFO's...All " religions " have certain

religious rites and ceremonies that one must follow and in doing so; accredt

their salvation or even their health to these " rituals " .

Thank God my religion is God..;-D

I'm saying this " tongue in cheek " but serious about it at the same time, and I

think that it's a worthy subject for discussion. The question is this..IS THERE

ANY DANGER of being carried away with all of these protocols? I feel that my

cancer is healed (mostly); and I want to return to a normal life and in

particular; normal bowel movements which I am now experiencing since easing off

on the parasite cleanse..I've only done one liver cleanse and Hey!!! That was

enough for me and nothing came out..As far as I'm concerened; as long as

whatever is up there isn't buggin me; then let it be..let it beee..let it

beeeeee...

Is there any way to check re " technical " devices that would detect the fact that

one may actually have to do a liver cleanse?..Do some of us just NOT HAVE STONES

that have to come out?..Are people profitting from our strict adherence to

protocols and not common sense? Let's face it...We could go through life

spending thousands of dollars needlesly; if indeed we don't need all of this

" cleansing " . Where and when do we draw the line and " relax " ..? I respect and

thank people who we need to have " onboard " to sell us certain needful things;

but CAN IT GO TOO FAR?

I'm going to try and maintain some kind of protocols that are " sensible " and

don't go overboard..It's commendable to have knowledge and someone has to know

these things so as to help others to conquer these toxic asnd parasite induced

diseases, but I feel that some of us go too far with our colonic boards; liver

cleanses; and our zappers and lives begin to take on a certain " Xfiles " quality

wherein we develope " phobias " (I'm sure there must be a technical name for it)

but it's something like becoming addicted to all of these " conspiracy theories "

and never having peace or coming to rest in the knowledge that you've done what

you can, and it's going to be allright...RIGHT?

As usual I submit a couple of scriptures that relate to this subject and this

ongoing " spirit of fear " that we need to be continuously doing something to keep

Beezlebubs' bugs at bay and constantly searching for " new things " that just

could be the answer to our perhaps " imagined " infirmities..Some of these " new

things " are much stranger than believing in " faith healing " via a loving and

faithful God.

melville ;-)

2Tim.1

[7] For God hath not given us the SPIRIT OF FEAR; but of power, and of love, and

of a sound mind.

(It seems that there is a real " spirit " that induces " fear " in people who don't

believe)

Rom.14

[1] Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.

[2] For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth

herbs.

[3] Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which

eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

[6] He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth

not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the

Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth

not, and giveth God thanks.

[7] For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.

[8] For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto

the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.

[14] I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean

of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is

unclean.

(this seems to indicate that if a person " believes " that a certain thing is

" unclean " then indeed it becomes so; and could result in an " imagined " sickness)

just some Saturday night thoughts...melville ;-)

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May 4, 2003

Yes the hospitals are full of octogenarians having their gall bladders out so do

a liver cleanse long before you get to that stage.

Liz

May 4, 2003

Re: Protocols and religious rituals..

Yes the hospitals are full of octogenarians having their gall bladders out so do

a liver cleanse long before you get to that stage.

Liz

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Good advise Liz;

I guess you're right about that..There's this woman in our church who is close

to one hundred and who told me that she's never had a problem that way, nor ever

done a liver cleanse..But then she hasn't lived the rough life that I have; what

with all of my former habits which range right over the top of anyone's

scale..It's a wonder I'm still alive and in fact I count it a real " miracle "

Hahaha ;-D This " cancer scare " I figure was the Lord's way to get me to stop

polluting my body and start nurturing my soul...Smoking was the major

contributor to the cancer and of course that is now gone; along with a whole

pile of unhealthy eating habits..I'm now a vegetarian, with the occassional

fish..Never been in better health and shape than I'm in right now..I'm 66 years

old; but feeling much younger.

I'm may try the liver cleanse again, (maybe) but I guess it means going back on

the parasite cleanse, and then the bowel cleanse and all that..Sheesh..I don't

know if it's all worth it..or if I've got the energy to go though all that

again..That time of year is coming up wherein my soul longs to drop all of this

stuff and head for the wilderness; to live off fish and rice and seaweed;

communing with God and nature..There's no way that I can continue on with these

programs out of reach of organic food stores and especially the local health

food store where I can purchase needful things.

Meanwhile it seems that the cancer (squamous cell) is going into remission and

the remaining tumor seems to be on it's way out, and so I'm not too concerned;

unless it were to " flare up " again with a vengeance..I'll just keep praying that

this doesn't happen and maintain the parasite cleanse program, as that's easy to

continue; and the zapping..Those seem to be the " rudimentary " protocols that can

be kept up while camping in the bush..In fact I'd better start ordering some of

those " products " that I'll need, as I'm gone for about 3 months.. hopefully by

mid-June..

melville ;-)

May 4, 2003

thanks!

very helpful comments and perspective!

annick

May 4, 2003

Hi Melville,

The answer to your concern about the large number of liver/gall bladder

flushes that some people have done and other things like

colonics/colemas/enemas etc. is pretty simple. They have had specific

symptoms that have been alleviated and they know when the symptoms have come

back. They do the procedure that helped them the last time and the symptoms

are alleviated again. For instance, you did a flush and had no gall stones

and no symptoms alleviated. You did not feel that further flushing was

beneficial. That's a reasonable conclusion, although you may still benefit

but you can't be sure. It would have been just as reasonable if you had

several gall stones come out and if you felt better than you had for ten

years (a common result of flushing) for you to conclude to keep flushing.

You've done things like fasting for fourty days that most of us wouldn't try

to do, but it addressed specific symptoms that you had and you got

beneficial results. That doesn't mean that you have a new religion

Vince

>From: " Mel " <jonah@...>

>Reply-Dr

><Dr >

>Subject: Re: Protocols and religious rituals..

>Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 21:01:03 -0700

>

>Why would anyone want to do 300 liver cleanses? That doesn't make any

>sense and in fact I would be inclined to say that it could be " addictive "

>and maybe even dangerous except for the fact that someone seems to have

>survived hundereds of cleanses. Are we starting a new " religion " ? I know

>that people do some pretty strange things; like myself for instance when I

>fasted for over forty days and passed one of those five foot long toxic

>serpents that glowed phosphourescent green in the early morning

>light..Thank God the tide was just starting to go out and so I never had to

>look at it again. It also spared the native village of Alert Bay.It was the

> " best " bowel movement I've ever had; though I've had a few good ones whilst

>being on this parasite cleanse..

>

>Seriously though...If I miss doing a weekly maintenance parasite cleanse,

>does this mean that I have to start all over again? How long does it take

>for the body to be reinfested with those nasty creatures? What I worry

>about is getting the system so wired to liver cleanses and parasite

>cleanses that one can never return to " normal " and consequently always be

>struggling to keep one's bowel movements under control..It's like people

>who become addicted to enemas and colon cleanses..I'm certain that a lot of

>this is like a " religion " that once it has hold of you; never lets go.There

>seems to be a " spirit " involved here...Whether or not we like to believe

>it; the human species has this inborn desire to " worship " something and if

>they refuse or reject GOD; then they turn to something else.like evolution

>or UFO's...All " religions " have certain religious rites and ceremonies that

>one must follow and in doing so; accredt their salvation or even their

>health to these " rituals " .

>

>Thank God my religion is God..;-D

>I'm saying this " tongue in cheek " but serious about it at the same time,

>and I think that it's a worthy subject for discussion. The question is

>this..IS THERE ANY DANGER of being carried away with all of these

>protocols? I feel that my cancer is healed (mostly); and I want to return

>to a normal life and in particular; normal bowel movements which I am now

>experiencing since easing off on the parasite cleanse..I've only done one

>liver cleanse and Hey!!! That was enough for me and nothing came out..As

>far as I'm concerened; as long as whatever is up there isn't buggin me;

>then let it be..let it beee..let it beeeeee...

>

>Is there any way to check re " technical " devices that would detect the fact

>that one may actually have to do a liver cleanse?..Do some of us just NOT

>HAVE STONES that have to come out?..Are people profitting from our strict

>adherence to protocols and not common sense? Let's face it...We could go

>through life spending thousands of dollars needlesly; if indeed we don't

>need all of this " cleansing " . Where and when do we draw the line and

> " relax " ..? I respect and thank people who we need to have " onboard " to sell

>us certain needful things; but CAN IT GO TOO FAR?

>

>I'm going to try and maintain some kind of protocols that are " sensible "

>and don't go overboard..It's commendable to have knowledge and someone has

>to know these things so as to help others to conquer these toxic asnd

>parasite induced diseases, but I feel that some of us go too far with our

>colonic boards; liver cleanses; and our zappers and lives begin to take on

>a certain " Xfiles " quality wherein we develope " phobias " (I'm sure there

>must be a technical name for it) but it's something like becoming addicted

>to all of these " conspiracy theories " and never having peace or coming to

>rest in the knowledge that you've done what you can, and it's going to be

>allright...RIGHT?

>

>As usual I submit a couple of scriptures that relate to this subject and

>this ongoing " spirit of fear " that we need to be continuously doing

>something to keep Beezlebubs' bugs at bay and constantly searching for " new

>things " that just could be the answer to our perhaps " imagined "

>infirmities..Some of these " new things " are much stranger than believing in

> " faith healing " via a loving and faithful God.

>melville ;-)

>

>2Tim.1

>[7] For God hath not given us the SPIRIT OF FEAR; but of power, and of

>love, and of a sound mind.

>(It seems that there is a real " spirit " that induces " fear " in people who

>don't believe)

>

>Rom.14

>[1] Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful

>disputations.

>[2] For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak,

>eateth herbs.

>[3] Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him

>which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

>[6] He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that

>regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth,

>eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to

>the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

>[7] For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.

>[8] For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die

>unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.

>[14] I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing

>unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to

>him it is unclean.

>

>(this seems to indicate that if a person " believes " that a certain thing is

> " unclean " then indeed it becomes so; and could result in an " imagined "

>sickness)

>

>just some Saturday night thoughts...melville ;-)

>

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>

May 4, 2003

Remember that in the " old days " people were more apt to fast a couple

times per year which would probably kept the liver cleaned out. Also

they used to take castor oil and something else and that supposedly

helped with the parasites. But people don't do that as much, (probably

the oil not at all) So that may have helped those oldtimers stay in

tiptop shape.

Going and living in the woods might be good for you. I read one of her

case histories, and I don't remember the details. But they didn't

complete their treatment, I believe. She was worried that the person

died. Then she either talked to the person or got a letter, but the

person was alive and well and had gone to live in the woods back to the

simple life.

>Good advise Liz;

>I guess you're right about that..There's this woman in our church who is close