dogs

July 25, 1999

In a message dated 7/25/99 6:24:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

mellillo1@... writes:

<< because we own a

collie. He gets the monthly Frontline and I brush him a lot. How much more

do you think an animal brings in than say, just us on our clothes. Today I

went in the pool, walked into the house and changed. When I lay down, a dog

tick crawled off me, no how did he get there when I had just come out of the

pool. These things are taking over the world! But, I am inter >>

I love dogs also, but I have to agree with your husband. I believe ticks are

attracted to oxygen and since dogs are always sniffing and breathing on the

grass I think that attacts ticks. Alot of people got lyme after having an

pet. I am such a dog lover, but those cuties bring in ticks for sure.

July 25, 1999

Hi Sharon ,

You know this is a very big concern of mine. I am so careful outside .. Iwill

walk around the block if I have to just not to step in grass ( paranoid YES

) but so what .. I have good reason to be, but then you make a point... what

abt the dogs???? I have two.. small dogs , one Llasa Apso and one Schitzhu..

I am very careful not to let them go by the brush when I walk them, and I

very rarely let them loose, but in the middle of the night I have found that

one of themlikes to jum up on my bed.. I sleep deep and don;t even realize

till the morning that he spent the night with me, and then ,, I tried to lock

them out of the room but they cry all night long, Theres no way to get any

sleep ..so I end up letting them in. I had been feeling much better for a

while there, but all of a sudden I find myself terrribly fatigued, to the

point where I can;t even get out of bed till 3PM . Its awful. I'm thinking I

may have been re infected. I have an appt tomorrow with my doc. Could it be

from the dogs?? I can't see where else I cold have gotten it from like I

said I am never in the grass... What to do .. I love them so much .. I can't

imagine life w/out them , they are so much a part of the family.. but our

health is so important : ((( What a dilemma....

July 26, 1999

In a message dated 7/25/99 9:50:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

lisa86@... writes:

<< DO these nasty little

creatures carry Lyme? I'd really like a definitive answer. >>

If a bullseye rash is definately the definitive diagnosis for Lyme then yes,

dog ticks can carry Lyme

I have a Lab and we took her to the groomers and she picked up a tick there

and we became infested, I don't know if she got a regnant tick on her or what

happened but we found ticks everywhere, in the beds, linens, furniture,

carpet, even walking up the curtains, it was horrendous

I was bitten and developed a bullseye rash but my Lyme anti bodies test was

negative, twice and doctor just repeated test again last week

July 26, 1999

>From: Prinny328@...

>

>I love dogs also, but I have to agree with your husband. I believe ticks are

>attracted to oxygen and since dogs are always sniffing and breathing on the

>grass I think that attacts ticks. Alot of people got lyme after having an

>pet. I am such a dog lover, but those cuties bring in ticks for sure.

>

In AZ where I was reinfected in 1994, ticks feed on humans, dogs and cats.

They need the moisture of the blood to survive. Sounds disgusting but very

true.

Kiana Rossi (Northern CA)

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July 26, 1999

>From: lisa86@...

>

>I, too, have an ongoing battle with the dog ticks. Some people say there is

>nothing to fear from the dog ticks -- it's just the deer ticks, but I really

>don't believe that. The dog ticks I've picked off my own body are little

>square brown things with nasty little squiggly legs. My husband has recently

>picked several off Tucker (our big chocolate lab) that have been feasting for

>awhile and they have ballooned up to about the size of a dime. When he

>smashes them, they are full of Tucker's blood. DO these nasty little

>creatures carry Lyme? I'd really like a definitive answer.

>

>Thanks.

>

>Noralee

They do in AZ! And in CA! I am not ever going to go into the woods, go

hiking, camping or backpacking again! ACK!!!

Kiana Rossi

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Northern California

July 26, 1999

Hi Noralee,

Recently there were reported studies of dog ticks carrying ehrlichiosis,

(another tick disease). If you want more information about dog ticks and

Lyme disease, go to:

http://www.lymenet.org/

Click on search in the left hand column. Click on the keyword search

option, then enter: Dog ticks

There are several abstracts available, and you can read each one by

clicking on it. The overall consensus from what I read is:

" MAYBE " Not very definitive, but that's science for you.

Hugs,

Marta (NJ)

-

>From: lisa86@...

>

>I, too, have an ongoing battle with the dog ticks. Some people say there is

>nothing to fear from the dog ticks -- it's just the deer ticks, but I

really

>don't believe that. The dog ticks I've picked off my own body are little

>square brown things with nasty little squiggly legs. My husband has

recently

>picked several off Tucker (our big chocolate lab) that have been feasting

for

>awhile and they have ballooned up to about the size of a dime. When he

>smashes them, they are full of Tucker's blood. DO these nasty little

>creatures carry Lyme? I'd really like a definitive answer.

>

>Thanks.

>

>Noralee

July 26, 1999

Wow,

What a nightmare! Much worse than the story my doctor told me about a

four year old boy who had a tick in his ear, when the doctor tried to remove

it, hundreds of nymphs (baby ticks) came out. I hope you fumigated your

home to rid yourself of these monsters. Good luck with those Lyme tests,

please remember they are not reliable and Lyme disease is a clinical dx,

based on symptoms, and your bullseye rash is as definitive as you can get.

Hugs,

Marta (NJ)

>From: SubJadeX@...

>If a bullseye rash is definately the definitive diagnosis for Lyme then

yes,

>dog ticks can carry Lyme

>I have a Lab and we took her to the groomers and she picked up a tick there

>and we became infested, I don't know if she got a pregnant tick on her or

what

>happened but we found ticks everywhere, in the beds, linens, furniture,

>carpet, even walking up the curtains, it was horrendous

>I was bitten and developed a bullseye rash but my Lyme anti bodies test was

>negative, twice and doctor just repeated test again last week

July 26, 1999

--- melillo <mellillo1@...> wrote:

> From: " melillo " <mellillo1@...>

>

> How many of you own a dog or cat that is both in and

> outside animal. My

> husband believes we continue to have Lyme in this

> house because we own a

> collie. He gets the monthly Frontline and I brush

> him a lot. How much more

> do you think an animal brings in than say, just us

> on our clothes. Today I

> went in the pool, walked into the house and changed.

> When I lay down, a dog

> tick crawled off me, no how did he get there when I

> had just come out of the

> pool. These things are taking over the world! But,

> I am interested in what

> you all think of pets. I love my dog, I don't know

> if I could ever part

> with him, yet with 4 of us sick with Lyme, I want

> health more than

> anything!

> Sharon

> PS> Thanks for all the responses on HepB vaccine. I

> think we will forego it

> for now.

>

> Sharon-

I have 2 dogs and 7 cats. The cats are indoor only but the dogs go in

and out as they please. I check everyone over each time they go out and

come in and then we all get checked out every nite. Takes forever with

all the animals and 3 kids but its worth it to me. My son has gotten

good at checking too so between the 2 of us think we are getting

something done. I also spray my yard. I have never seen a tick on the

animals but as small as they are who knows. We also have these little

wood bugs that I thought were ticks all over the place. Found one in

the tub and freaked out. Tried to kill it but it wouldnt die so I

flushed it down the drain. Am getting so bug paranoid these days that

anything that qualifies as a bug just gets me going.

L(MI)

> ---------------------------

July 31, 1999

lisa86@... wrote:

>

> From: lisa86@...

>

> Some people say there is

> nothing to fear from the dog ticks -- it's just the deer ticks, but I really

> don't believe that.

>

>DO these nasty little

> creatures carry Lyme? I'd really like a definitive answer.

>

> Thanks.

>

> Noralee

>

>YES...YES....YES......in 1990 I discovered to my horror that the AMERICAN DOG

TICK DOES carry lyme..........I am living proof of its devastation and sadly

.....the Medical communities refusal to acknowledge that this tick is a vector

for lyme.......Dr Dorothy Feir of St Louis University HAS PROVEN in the lab that

the american dog tick carries lyme spirochetes BUT cannot get funding for

transmission studies (should we volunteer a few drs we know???)

here in Minnesota (land of 10 thousand lakes and 10 million ticks) our

State REFUSES to even test the dog ticks (even those that have been

removed and Dr documented ECM rashes have occurred at the removal site)

BUT if we DO NOT SEEK we will NOT FIND........and alas...tourism will be

SAVED!!!!

lymebrained in Minnesota.........

August 1, 1999

Hi Sheree,

I agree with you about dog ticks, they do carry lyme and I feel other

tick-borne illnesses too, It is to bad no government will take the time to

test them, what a waste, we need them to look further,

connie, mi

October 9, 1999

Melillo,

Sure the dog may have the disease and you could test him for it. But it

is unfair to blame the dog. It sounds like you have ticks in your area

so how can the dog be to blame. Ticks attack humans and dogs. It is

very unfair. If the dog has the disease get him treated. I wld suggest

he does if your entire family has ticks. It is just absolutely terrible

that some people have to live in areas where there are tons of ticks.

To me it is a dangerous place to live. I would suggest that you move to

an area where there are less ticks. Your dog is in just as much danger

as you and your family is living in that area. I would also write your

government and complain about areas such as this that do not find a way

to control the ticks. To take the risk of contantly being reinfected is

a death sentence. The lyme tick is just too dangerous.

Holly

melillo wrote:

>

> From: " melillo " <mellillo1@...>

>

> How many of you own a dog or cat that is both in and outside animal. My

> husband believes we continue to have Lyme in this house because we own a

> collie. He gets the monthly Frontline and I brush him a lot. How much more

> do you think an animal brings in than say, just us on our clothes. Today I

> went in the pool, walked into the house and changed. When I lay down, a dog

> tick crawled off me, no how did he get there when I had just come out of the

> pool. These things are taking over the world! But, I am interested in what

> you all think of pets. I love my dog, I don't know if I could ever part

> with him, yet with 4 of us sick with Lyme, I want health more than

> anything!

> Sharon

> PS> Thanks for all the responses on HepB vaccine. I think we will forego it

> for now.

>

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October 9, 1999

Hi Sharon,

We live in a heavily infested deer tick area. I have gotten ticks on me

when I have sat on the cement patio by the pool...Our neighbor, who has

no pets, contracted LD.

Years ago we lost our beloved Golden Retriever to LD, as it was dx'd too

late...and it wasn't " pretty " . We had our other dogs vaccinated when it

came out, and our new Golden still got Lyme... Please have your dog

treated if he/she has sx, or at least have him tested. Take care,

Joan LI NY

1st Known Deer Tick Bites & Sx: '85

1st (Neg): '89

Daughter Dx'd w/LD: '89

Dogs Dx'd: '90

Continued Sx & Neg. s: '90-'99 1st WB: 4+ Specific Bands:

4/99

Late Neuro-LD Dx: 6/99

Currently on Biaxin,Plaquenil, Neurontin, Prozac & Celebrex

From: Holly Crosgrey <netcat@...>