Final one on cats

[Guest guest]

" So, in my opinion, forget the herbs and the zapper and forget

getting

rid of them, that's cruel anyway. Besides, you would, and should, feel

guilty for even considering that. "

Perhaps you might think I am a monster for considering getting rid of my cats,

your letter certainly seems to imply I am one. FYI, I don't feel ANY guilt in

the least. I do love these little creatures and they are EXTREMELY WELL cared

for and loved. If I do decide to get rid of them, it would be to another home

where they would be kept indoors and where they would go together as was the

case with me when I accepted them 2 months ago.

We recently moved into the apartment after the death of my son in November and I

adopted Max and Pepper from another lady who had them since birth (they are 1

and a half and 9 months old now) for my other children and for myself as I love

cats dearly. If I do, in the name of health issues, decide to find another home

for them, they will be gravely missed.

That being said, I do feel because of your letter, that I should explain in a

bit more detail. I have been chronically bleeding since 1987, 18 years now. I am

43 and with my numerous health problems I realize that if I don't make some

drastic lifestyle changes I will be dead within 5 to 10 years. This past year I

underwent a colonscopy in which 13 biopsies were taken because my colon looked

so cancerous. Thankfully cancer was not found, YET....I realize if I don't take

my health matters into my own hands, it is only a matter of time until tests

start turning up positive, especially given the fact that my uncle died of colon

cancer and I had a brother who died of cancer at 3. There are many changes I

must make, way to numerous to go into here. I have begun the Candida diet as

well as put my 13 year old daughter on it this week. Already the little bumps on

her face and arms are gone and her puffy tummy is almost flat. As for me,

because my condition is so serious, I have been extremely

sick since I started this wellness program, yet I know that this is more than

likely the effect of toxins breaking free. I have a horrible headache and the

pain in my gut bends me double.

My children, (daughter especially) exhibit many of the same symptoms I have my

entire life. I am working to get them on the right track nutritionally and

health wise.

If keeping a pet indoors is going to be affecting my health, then I will not

keep a pet inside. My family and my own health are more important to me than the

emotional bond I have with an animal.

Penny

Nobody can make you feel inferior without your permission. -Eleanor Roosevelt-

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[Guest guest]

Oh boy, here we go... I didn't imply anything. I was trying to give

you hope that it was not necessary to give them away. I'm sorry for caring.

Besides, if you wouldn't " feel ANY guilt in the least " for giving them away

then perhaps you shouldn't have accepted the responsibility to care for

them when you did. Am I wrong about this as well? After all, it was only

two months ago that you took them in as I have just learned. Haven't you

been sick for years? Didn't you think for a second that maybe, just maybe,

it wouldn't be a good idea to try to care for two living, breathing

creatures that have a twenty-plus year life span when when you don't think

you will make it for the next ten? I didn't think so. You obviously have a

hard enough time taking care of yourself.

I simply stated that you would, AND SHOULD feel guilty for giving a

beloved animal away when it isn't necessary as you could simply give them

colloidal silver which would cost you $1/gallon. Besides, you need to take

the colloidal silver yourself anyway, so it's not as though it is an extra

expense to buy or create a generator just for the cats. Cats don't give you

cancer, so unless you are allergic to them, there is NO REASON TO GET RID OF

THEM!!!!

About the " monster " thing... You said it yourself. Your reply has made

me think twice about it, though. That never even crossed my mind as many

people consider giving their pets away in the sake of health. Sometimes

people have to do what they have to do and I understand that fully. I just

wanted to let you know that it probably wasn't necessary in your case as you

never mentioned allergy. However, it sounds as if you are wanting to get

rid of them so do us all a favor and give them to someone who will not

consider ditching them as it is detrimental to their health and well-being

to be shuffled around. They need stability. My one cat follows me around

like a dog. In fact, he is worse than a dog. Dogs will leave you alone

occasionally. Not Titus. We have four people in my house and he could care

less about the other three. When I leave the house, he waits at the door,

the entire time, pining for me to return. If I gave him away, I am certain

he wouldn't last long. Yes, he is that attached to me, crazy as it sounds.

And I was always more of a dog person. Perhaps your cats will be ok since

they are still young, but honestly, that is when they form the strongest

bonds to their owners. When I brought Titus home, he ended up with what

they call the kitty flu from the other cats in the shelter. I nursed him

back to health in my room which is where he stayed the entire time until he

was well enough to roam the rest of the house and this is where the bond was

formed. So you must understand the source of my emotions in this situation

of yours.

Perhaps your daughter has become a source of reinfection for you since

she displays the same symptoms as you have. Why don't you give her away,

too? Sounds ridiculous when you can just keep her on a parasite program.

The same goes for the cats. That's my point. Or perhaps she should get rid

of you as you almost certainly were the source of HER infection. Do you see

what I am getting at? This is so exasperating!

I understand that you are sick and have been for a long time.

Here's a little F.Y.I. for you...

WHY DO YOU THINK WE ARE HERE IN THIS GROUP?

WE'RE SICK TOO YOU KNOW!!! Some of us, however, take the time and energy

which we really don't have, to help others in this newsgroup because it is

part of our life calling to help others, no matter how bad we feel.

WE DON'T GET ANY COMPENSATION FOR THIS!! If anything, we PAY for this as we

take time, which I consider precious, to aid and comfort those who are going

through what we are going through.

If you don't like what I said, tough. I would have never wrote a

response like this if you wouldn't have " assumed " my intentions.

As they say, " The truth hurts. " After reading your reply, my blood

pressure is going through the roof, but do you care? I doubt it, nor do I

expect you to. You showed no appreciation for the effort I put forth in

your dilemma, only ire, I could feel it in your words. I will never respond

to anything you have to say again. Except, of course, in the case that I

must defend myself, which I'm sure I will have to do.

Thanks a lot,

Ken

-- Final one on cats

" So, in my opinion, forget the herbs and the zapper and forget

getting

rid of them, that's cruel anyway. Besides, you would, and should, feel

guilty for even considering that. "

Perhaps you might think I am a monster for considering getting rid of my

cats, your letter certainly seems to imply I am one. FYI, I don't feel ANY

guilt in the least. I do love these little creatures and they are EXTREMELY

WELL cared for and loved. If I do decide to get rid of them, it would be to

another home where they would be kept indoors and where they would go

together as was the case with me when I accepted them 2 months ago.

We recently moved into the apartment after the death of my son in November

and I adopted Max and Pepper from another lady who had them since birth

(they are 1 and a half and 9 months old now) for my other children and for

myself as I love cats dearly. If I do, in the name of health issues, decide

to find another home for them, they will be gravely missed.

That being said, I do feel because of your letter, that I should explain in

a bit more detail. I have been chronically bleeding since 1987, 18 years now

I am 43 and with my numerous health problems I realize that if I don't make

some drastic lifestyle changes I will be dead within 5 to 10 years. This

past year I underwent a colonscopy in which 13 biopsies were taken because

my colon looked so cancerous. Thankfully cancer was not found, YET....I

realize if I don't take my health matters into my own hands, it is only a

matter of time until tests start turning up positive, especially given the

fact that my uncle died of colon cancer and I had a brother who died of

cancer at 3. There are many changes I must make, way to numerous to go into

here. I have begun the Candida diet as well as put my 13 year old daughter

on it this week. Already the little bumps on her face and arms are gone and

her puffy tummy is almost flat. As for me, because my condition is so

serious, I have been extremely

sick since I started this wellness program, yet I know that this is more

than likely the effect of toxins breaking free. I have a horrible headache

and the pain in my gut bends me double.

My children, (daughter especially) exhibit many of the same symptoms I have

my entire life. I am working to get them on the right track nutritionally

and health wise.

If keeping a pet indoors is going to be affecting my health, then I will not

keep a pet inside. My family and my own health are more important to me than

the emotional bond I have with an animal.

Penny

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[Guest guest]

Dear group,

while Dr. does advocate, as an optimal solution, to give animals away if

you are fighting cancer, etc. There are many followers of Dr. 's protocols

who have animals and who are doing the best they can as far as following her

advice in other ways. There is one person (I'm surprised we haven't heard from

her), who has a sanctuary for canines and canine/wolf mixtures... she is very

innovative with parasite modalities per Dr. , organic food, flea control,

etc.

I feel that you do need to be very careful, but that there are ways to cope

depending on your health level. It seems to me that people should be doing the

best they can to take charge of their own 'self-health' and not be too

judgemental about what other people are doing. Specifically, lets accept that we

all have health issues and that there may be different roads to the same

destination.

Jan Bolen

Ken Orris - Perfect PC <crapmail@...> wrote:

Oh boy, here we go... I didn't imply anything. I was trying to give

you hope that it was not necessary to give them away. I'm sorry for caring.

[Guest guest]

For the benefit of all members of the group, I am asking as nicely as

possible that every one refrain from making assumptions and tossing

insults at others who don't have the same convictions you may have. I

don't want to read such posts, I find them annoying and childish.

This group is a support group for Dr. followers, not a debate

group on pet ownership and the ramifications of it.

As has been stated, Dr. is strict in her protocols, but that does

not mean it is the only way to control things. You can have a healthy

pet, who can take anti-parasitic formulas, drink CS water, etc, to keep

them healthy and pathogen free. None of us will ever be completely free

of all the different bacteria, virus, fungus,parasites, molds, etc, and

neither will our pets. Do what you can to keep from getting reinfested

once you have gotten rid of a parasite, such as avoiding the cat's

mouth, etc.

I know the pain of having to give up pets, and it's not guilt as much as

it is heartbreak. I'm all for keeping pets if at all possible because I

believe they do more for emotional well being than they are given credit

for and we can all use that from time to time. However, some people

need to give up their pets for valid reasons and we all need to hope

that the right thing is done and the pet does not wind up in a shelter,

unwanted.

Diane

[Guest guest]

I realize I went a bit overboard with emotion as well as opinion on

this issue. My intentions were to neither insult nor judge, but to provoke

thought. I am certain that I did that. However, I am also certain that I

did it in the wrong way. It is a bit too late, and there is no " unsend "

button, so I will do the only thing I can do, apologize. I was offended by

your post, and my reply was fast and furious, and I am truly sorry, Penny.

I just do not want you or anyone else to regret their decision when it

comes to getting rid of their pets, especially when it is probably

unnecessary, and so I gave some pretty extreme examples and reasons why you

shouldn't.

I suppose this is an issue filled with opinion and therefore much like

religion and politics....It's usually best to just hold your tongue, at

least until you've cooled down a bit. :-)

Best wishes,

Ken

[Guest guest]

Diane wrote, " I know the pain of having to give up pets, and it's not guilt as

much

as it is heartbreak. "

Thank you so much for really hearing me. Penny

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[Guest guest]

" It is a bit too late, and there is no " unsend " button, so I will do the only

thing I can do, apologize. "

Apology accepted, we all do things we wish we could take back. thank you for

caring and I REALLY DO appreciate the time and effort you put into sending the

information in your initial response as I feel from watching the post for the

past month that you are quite knowledgeable.

I too am sorry that my response upset you as that was not my intention. I just

didn't like feeling I was being judged over something which I don't, by any

means, want to do. Thank you, Penny

Nobody can make you feel inferior without your permission. -Eleanor Roosevelt-

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