Re: HIV causes AIDS, HIV does not cause AIDS, what?

February 8, 2007

THIS dissident applauds your pursuit of the truth, and therefore reiterates: get

tested for additonal infections! It's not a big leap to think that there are co-

factors involved, considering that the original discoverer of this harmless

virus

has suggested this from the very start. (Think about it, why were all these men

coming down with a widely contagious infection like hiv, but not the other

more commonly seen STD's? The truth is, they were, their doctors were just

not catching it, because the anti-body tests are no good.) My high-priced

infectious disease specialist practically laughed in my face when I asked him

about testing me for syphilis. " I tested you for that, I tested you for all the

other

STD's, you don't have any of them. " Fifteen years later, I think I can safely

say

that this so called doctor was wrong, and had he done the lumbar puncture

test, he would have discovered an underlying, undiagnosed case of syphilis,

which was allowed to fester for another ten years or more. You want to find

what's really causing your immune suppression? GET A LUMBAR

PUNCTURE TEST! The anti-body tests are notoriously unreliable, as I found

out the hard way. My biggest regret is not pressing the idiot doctor on this

point, and I urge you to consider this seriously. What could it hurt?

Remember, it's your life, your health. If your doctor won't help you, get

another doctor!

Pat

>

> Hi,

>

> So many on the internet seem to suggest that HIV doesn't cause AIDS

> and that stress, malnutrition, drug use, etc. is the factor that

> causes it. So are they suggesting that all the millions of people

> that died of AIDS thus far did not die from the HIV virus (which they

> all have in common) and that they all died from those other factors?

>

> I have was diagnosed as HIV+ on Nov. 2, 2006 and once again on Feb.

> 6, 2007. So are the " dissidents " telling me that if I avoid stress,

> malnutrition, intravenous drug use, multiple sex partners, HIV drugs,

> etc., that I will not develop AIDS just because I was diagnosed HIV+?

> See this is the question that the anti-AIDS activists are not

> answering, at least not for me. Is it not true that ALL people with

> HIV end up with a compromised immune system do to the loss of T-cells

> caused by HIV?

>

> I live a VERY healthy lifestyle. I eat healthy food, do the Beck

> Protocol (all 4 parts), exercise, drink 2 cups of green tea every

> morning, sometimes use a regular zapper (just for the extra), recently

> received 's parasite herbs (which I will be starting soon), take

> vitamins, and looking into Transfer Factors

> (http://www.transferfactor.com). I'm sure that I will be trying a

> bunch of different things, but these are some that I am trying for

> now. According to orthodox medicine, this will not stop me from

> developing AIDS, only the HIV drugs can delay the onset of AIDS. Is

> that the truth, or what is the truth? Does anyone REALLY know? I am

> beginning to wonder.

>

> Tavis

> P.S. Sorry to always sound like I'm whining guys, but I'm just trying

> to gather information before I make any life changing decisions!

>

February 8, 2007

This dissident would say that He/She truly lives dangerously who trusts their health to a doctor, their rights to lawyer/legislators, their money to bankers, theirs Souls to Ministers/preachers/priests… Kluesner <jpjk@...> wrote: The anti-body tests are notoriously unreliable, as I found out the hard way. My biggest regret is not pressing the idiot doctor on this point, and I urge you to consider this seriously. What could it hurt? Remember, it's your life, your health. If

your doctor won't help you, get another doctor! Pat > > Hi, > > So many on the internet seem to suggest that HIV doesn't cause AIDS > and that stress, malnutrition, drug use, etc. is the factor thatRegards, Carol Ann ~ Reign of The Mayberry Machiavellis ends in 2008.

Everyone is raving about the all-new beta.

February 8, 2007

BENZINE is the cause; going TOTALLY CHEMICAL FREE is the answer. That means

EVERYTHING in your house that you and OTHERS use.... no CLOROX in the house

for example ....remember you get most of your chemicals through BREATHING

and if you have for example CLOROX in your house you are BREATHING it 24/7.

You have to rid your TOTAL environment of these things.....use BORAX to mop

your floors for example, I use hydrogen peroxide 35 percent for my CLOROX

for example.. and it goes ON AND ON AND ON AND ON.....read Dr. 's book

and take it SERIOUSLY.... Remmember too anything in the anal area absorbs

pronto and virtually 100 percent and DO NOT use LUBE or any of those

things.....use OLIVE OIL from Self Health for your lubricants (which is also

compatible with proplatics).....and of course avoid the " poppers " type stuff

they are LOADED with BENZINE.....as well as all recreational drugs are...you

MUST clean up your act and your ENVIRONMENT around you if you want to live

in a healthy state....Of course you should zap for like 16 hours or so a day

for a couple of weeks...and take your black walnut juice etc,,,, I get real

black walnuts in season and freeze them and drink a half cup daily for a

week or so at the time lol - NOTHING can live through that lol....let me

know if you need assistance but you have to be ready to realize that your

life style must change dramatically and be ready for that (years from now

you will wonder why in the world you ever lived so silly like that to begin

with but you won't for a long time)

>From: " onenuttyguyhere " <onenuttyguyhere@...>

>Reply-Dr

>Dr

>Subject: HIV causes AIDS, HIV does not cause AIDS, what?

>Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 15:23:32 -0000

>

>Hi,

>

> So many on the internet seem to suggest that HIV doesn't cause AIDS

>and that stress, malnutrition, drug use, etc. is the factor that

>causes it. So are they suggesting that all the millions of people

>that died of AIDS thus far did not die from the HIV virus (which they

>all have in common) and that they all died from those other factors?

>

> I have was diagnosed as HIV+ on Nov. 2, 2006 and once again on Feb.

>6, 2007. So are the " dissidents " telling me that if I avoid stress,

>malnutrition, intravenous drug use, multiple sex partners, HIV drugs,

>etc., that I will not develop AIDS just because I was diagnosed HIV+?

> See this is the question that the anti-AIDS activists are not

>answering, at least not for me. Is it not true that ALL people with

>HIV end up with a compromised immune system do to the loss of T-cells

>caused by HIV?

>

> I live a VERY healthy lifestyle. I eat healthy food, do the Beck

>Protocol (all 4 parts), exercise, drink 2 cups of green tea every

>morning, sometimes use a regular zapper (just for the extra), recently

>received 's parasite herbs (which I will be starting soon), take

>vitamins, and looking into Transfer Factors

>(http://www.transferfactor.com). I'm sure that I will be trying a

>bunch of different things, but these are some that I am trying for

>now. According to orthodox medicine, this will not stop me from

>developing AIDS, only the HIV drugs can delay the onset of AIDS. Is

>that the truth, or what is the truth? Does anyone REALLY know? I am

>beginning to wonder.

>

>Tavis

>P.S. Sorry to always sound like I'm whining guys, but I'm just trying

>to gather information before I make any life changing decisions!

>

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February 8, 2007

new test: gut biopsy. shows HIV attacking cd4's unrestricted. just

pioneered in Dec 2006. 50-70% of cd4's located there. very hidden.

In a sense that is a " new infection " as it was not really known about

before this time.

bG

>

> THIS dissident applauds your pursuit of the truth, and therefore

reiterates: get

> tested for additonal infections! It's not a big leap to think that

there are co-

> factors involved, co

February 8, 2007

Dear Tavis,

The link in my previous email was incorrect. My apologies! Take a look at

www.aliveandwell.org for good info that could save your life and save you a

world of worry. Here is a brief extract from their section on African " AIDS " :

" Is AIDS Devastating Africa?

According to the 1999 World Health Organization (WHO) report, the total number

of actual diagnosed AIDS cases on the African continent is about equal to the

total for AIDS in America even though Africa, with its 650 million people, has

more than two times the population of the USA. (61) Africa is often cited as a

worst case example of what could happen in America despite figures that

demonstrate that 99.5% of Africans do not have AIDS, and among Africans who test

HIV positive, 97% do not have AIDS. (62)

Unlike in the United States, AIDS in Africa may be diagnosed based on four

clinical symptoms -- fever, involuntary loss of 10% of normal body weight,

persistent cough, and diarrhea -- and HIV tests are not required. (63) The four

clinical AIDS symptoms are identical to those associated with conditions that

run rampant on the African continent such as malaria, tuberculosis, parasitic

infections, the effects of malnutrition, and unsanitary drinking and bathing

water. These symptoms are the result of poverty and other problems that have

troubled Africa and other developing areas of the world for many decades. "

Hope this helps. I can still send you the AIDS articles with Dr. Duesberg if you

like.

Arthur

www.BestZapper.com

www.ForgetDrugs.com

HIV causes AIDS, HIV does not cause AIDS, what?

Hi,

So many on the internet seem to suggest that HIV doesn't cause AIDS

and that stress, malnutrition, drug use, etc. is the factor that

causes it. So are they suggesting that all the millions of people

that died of AIDS thus far did not die from the HIV virus (which they

all have in common) and that they all died from those other factors?

I have was diagnosed as HIV+ on Nov. 2, 2006 and once again on Feb.

6, 2007. So are the " dissidents " telling me that if I avoid stress,

malnutrition, intravenous drug use, multiple sex partners, HIV drugs,

etc., that I will not develop AIDS just because I was diagnosed HIV+?

See this is the question that the anti-AIDS activists are not

answering, at least not for me. Is it not true that ALL people with

HIV end up with a compromised immune system do to the loss of T-cells

caused by HIV?

I live a VERY healthy lifestyle. I eat healthy food, do the Beck

Protocol (all 4 parts), exercise, drink 2 cups of green tea every

morning, sometimes use a regular zapper (just for the extra), recently

received 's parasite herbs (which I will be starting soon), take

vitamins, and looking into Transfer Factors

(http://www.transferfactor.com). I'm sure that I will be trying a

bunch of different things, but these are some that I am trying for

now. According to orthodox medicine, this will not stop me from

developing AIDS, only the HIV drugs can delay the onset of AIDS. Is

that the truth, or what is the truth? Does anyone REALLY know? I am

beginning to wonder.

Tavis

P.S. Sorry to always sound like I'm whining guys, but I'm just trying

to gather information before I make any life changing decisions!

February 8, 2007

Hello Tavis,

The problem I'm having is I know nothing about hiv or aids either.

I've never had a personal friend that is infected to learn from, so I

really don't feel justified in even trying to give any advice.

Now with that said, may I ask (because I really don't know) what is

wrong with taking the drugs? Do they make the situation worse? I

had thought they were suppose to help??? Am I wrong? I really just

don't know. I think you really need to talk with other hiv+ people

to get an educated input. We're just giving our opinion, expect for

Pat, who has personal experience.

After reading his posts, I think I would encourage you to try the

ozone along with the BP. I don't mean just drinking OO, rather

insufflation, IV's, an/or saunas all with a medical generator. What I

don't understand is why one can't do both along with the drugs as

long as you do the drugs right after BEing? I know if I had cancer,

I would also do chemo. I know, I know, there are many althernative

people who swear one should stay away from chemo. All I know is, for

me, I would give it a try. For me, I just don't have the confidence

to strictly go alternative only. But that's just me. Also, if

memory is correct, Pat said 'for the most part' he stayed away from

the drugs. Well, that leads me to wonder (if you're reading this,

Pat) what drugs, if any, did you use?

Now regarding does hiv cause aids? The one thing I am assuming is

those of us who are not hiv+ will not come down with aids. Does

anybody know of anybody that came down with aids without having first

had hiv? That in itself is revealing.

, you deserve the truth. If the doctors say you need the

drugs, have them refer you to others that have taken them and ask how

they are doing. If he can't refer you to somebody, get another

doctor. Talk with other infected people. Find out what is working

for them.

Tenderly,

Gail

>

> Hi,

>

> So many on the internet seem to suggest that HIV doesn't cause

AIDS

> and that stress, malnutrition, drug use, etc. is the factor that

> causes it. So are they suggesting that all the millions of people

> that died of AIDS thus far did not die from the HIV virus (which

they

> all have in common) and that they all died from those other

factors?

>

> I have was diagnosed as HIV+ on Nov. 2, 2006 and once again on

Feb.

> 6, 2007. So are the " dissidents " telling me that if I avoid stress,

> malnutrition, intravenous drug use, multiple sex partners, HIV

drugs,

> etc., that I will not develop AIDS just because I was diagnosed

HIV+?

> See this is the question that the anti-AIDS activists are not

> answering, at least not for me. Is it not true that ALL people with

> HIV end up with a compromised immune system do to the loss of T-

cells

> caused by HIV?

>

> I live a VERY healthy lifestyle. I eat healthy food, do the Beck

> Protocol (all 4 parts), exercise, drink 2 cups of green tea every

> morning, sometimes use a regular zapper (just for the extra),

recently

> received 's parasite herbs (which I will be starting soon),

take

> vitamins, and looking into Transfer Factors

> (http://www.transferfactor.com). I'm sure that I will be trying a

> bunch of different things, but these are some that I am trying for

> now. According to orthodox medicine, this will not stop me from

> developing AIDS, only the HIV drugs can delay the onset of AIDS. Is

> that the truth, or what is the truth? Does anyone REALLY know? I

am

> beginning to wonder.

>

> Tavis

> P.S. Sorry to always sound like I'm whining guys, but I'm just

trying

> to gather information before I make any life changing decisions!

>

February 8, 2007

Gail,

My distrust with the drugs stems from watching so many people die from them.

When azt was introduced as a possible aids drug, it was already well known

to be highly toxic, so toxic in fact, that it had been abandoned for it's

original

intended use as a cancer drug for just that reason. Why then was it

considered " safe " enough for the gay population? State sponsored genocide

comes to mind. The gay press had thoroughly covered the whole azt story,

and only those with their eyes closed fell into the trap. More recently, my

idiot

doctor prescribed a couple of cocktail drugs, so called because they contain a

combination of drugs, alleged to be more effective. I complained to dr. idiot

about the horrific rashes on my extremities, and the huge, god-awful, scaly

lumps that covered my scalp, not to mention chronic dandruff, and all he could

say was what do you expect, you have aids. Not good enough. I later

consulted another idiot doctor, who informed me that the combivir did indeed

contain azt. Once I went off the combivir and tried Truvada and sustiva, the

rashes and lumps all dissapeared. This would have been disgusting enough,

except that I had told the doctor FROM THE BEGINNING that I didn't want to

take azt. I guess he thought he could smoke a fast ball by me, since he knows

so much more than I do, and that he knows better than I what's really best for

me. Arrogant, wouldn't you say? If this sounds too anecdotal, a close friend of

mine had EXACTLY the same experience, only his reaction to the combivir

was even worse, causing chronic runs and vomiting. Once his meds were

changed, his symptoms of over a year disappeared competely, he's like a

different person. If all this wasn't enough, on my last visit to my nurse

practitioner, she let it slip during one of our discussions, " Oh yes, these

drugs

are VERY toxic, like taking rat poison. " Need I say more?

Yes, actually I do. It should be clear to anyone observing, that this whole aids

thing is mostly manufactured, and there's very little basis if fact to

substantiate

it. The drugs are the source of the disease, not the virus. The early casualties

were indeed severely immuno suppresssed, a result of a very dangerous life

style consisting of unbelieveable numbers of sexual partners, drug abuse and

alcohol abuse. When the first wave of dead and dying passed, it became

necassary to manufacture more deaths by the introduction of drugs to

simulate the disease that had already been sold to the gullible public. Look

around. It happens all the time. People die every day from TREATMENTS for

cancer, but the public is told that it's death by cancer. The oncologists are

likewise engaging in mass genocide, they're getting away with serial killing,

and nothing less. The same goes for heart disease. Most people don't realize

it, but the very statin drugs that heart patients are prescribed are actually

exacerbating their conditions, guaranteeing that heart surgery patients will be

back in for more bypass or other procedures. Wake up people. If you really

still believe that the medical establishment is looking out for you, you're only

fooling yourself. They care about one thing and one thing only: PROFITS.

Pat

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > So many on the internet seem to suggest that HIV doesn't cause

> AIDS

> > and that stress, malnutrition, drug use, etc. is the factor that

> > causes it. So are they suggesting that all the millions of people

> > that died of AIDS thus far did not die from the HIV virus (which

> they

> > all have in common) and that they all died from those other

> factors?

> >

> > I have was diagnosed as HIV+ on Nov. 2, 2006 and once again on

> Feb.

> > 6, 2007. So are the " dissidents " telling me that if I avoid stress,

> > malnutrition, intravenous drug use, multiple sex partners, HIV

> drugs,

> > etc., that I will not develop AIDS just because I was diagnosed

> HIV+?

> > See this is the question that the anti-AIDS activists are not

> > answering, at least not for me. Is it not true that ALL people with

> > HIV end up with a compromised immune system do to the loss of T-

> cells

> > caused by HIV?

> >

> > I live a VERY healthy lifestyle. I eat healthy food, do the Beck

> > Protocol (all 4 parts), exercise, drink 2 cups of green tea every

> > morning, sometimes use a regular zapper (just for the extra),

> recently

> > received 's parasite herbs (which I will be starting soon),

> take

> > vitamins, and looking into Transfer Factors

> > (http://www.transferfactor.com). I'm sure that I will be trying a

> > bunch of different things, but these are some that I am trying for

> > now. According to orthodox medicine, this will not stop me from

> > developing AIDS, only the HIV drugs can delay the onset of AIDS. Is

> > that the truth, or what is the truth? Does anyone REALLY know? I

> am

> > beginning to wonder.

> >

> > Tavis

> > P.S. Sorry to always sound like I'm whining guys, but I'm just

> trying

> > to gather information before I make any life changing decisions!

> >

>

February 8, 2007

Pat, The whole thing sounds awful! Everybody has a right to the truth,

imo. Don't ya just hate a liar?

I was going to ask what meds did your friend get changed to, but I

wouldn't even understand even if you did tell me. It does sound, tho,

like something helped him.

Warm regards,

Gail

-- In , " Kluesner "

<jpjk@...> wrote:

>

> Once his meds were

> changed, his symptoms of over a year disappeared competely, he's like

a

> different person.

February 8, 2007

Thanks Arthur for that info. I've already visited the

site of aliveandwell.org just last month. It is a

very interesting site. I don't want any Duesberg

articles, but if you come across any informational

videos, I'd like to watch them instead because my eyes

are so tired from reading so much material! LOL.

I've also visited aidsmythexposed, virusmyth.com, and

maybe a few others. I guess at this point, what I

would like to hear are testimonies of people that did

not take the HIV drugs and are living well and happy

for 15+ years after diagnosis. There should be an

online group just for people that refused to take the

drugs. If you find one, let me know!

Best Regards,

Tavis

--- Arthur Doerksen <ad7@...> wrote:

> Dear Tavis,

>

> The link in my previous email was incorrect. My

> apologies! Take a look at www.aliveandwell.org for

> good info that could save your life and save you a

> world of worry. Here is a brief extract from their

> section on African " AIDS " :

>

> " Is AIDS Devastating Africa?

> According to the 1999 World Health Organization

> (WHO) report, the total number of actual diagnosed

> AIDS cases on the African continent is about equal

> to the total for AIDS in America even though Africa,

> with its 650 million people, has more than two times

> the population of the USA. (61) Africa is often

> cited as a worst case example of what could happen

> in America despite figures that demonstrate that

> 99.5% of Africans do not have AIDS, and among

> Africans who test HIV positive, 97% do not have

> AIDS. (62)

>

> Unlike in the United States, AIDS in Africa may be

> diagnosed based on four clinical symptoms -- fever,

> involuntary loss of 10% of normal body weight,

> persistent cough, and diarrhea -- and HIV tests are

> not required. (63) The four clinical AIDS symptoms

> are identical to those associated with conditions

> that run rampant on the African continent such as

> malaria, tuberculosis, parasitic infections, the

> effects of malnutrition, and unsanitary drinking and

> bathing water. These symptoms are the result of

> poverty and other problems that have troubled Africa

> and other developing areas of the world for many

> decades. "

>

> Hope this helps. I can still send you the AIDS

> articles with Dr. Duesberg if you like.

>

> Arthur

> www.BestZapper.com

> www.ForgetDrugs.com

>

> HIV causes AIDS, HIV does not

> cause AIDS, what?

>

> Hi,

>

> So many on the internet seem to suggest that HIV

> doesn't cause AIDS

> and that stress, malnutrition, drug use, etc. is

> the factor that

> causes it. So are they suggesting that all the

> millions of people

> that died of AIDS thus far did not die from the

> HIV virus (which they

> all have in common) and that they all died from

> those other factors?

>

> I have was diagnosed as HIV+ on Nov. 2, 2006 and

> once again on Feb.

> 6, 2007. So are the " dissidents " telling me that

> if I avoid stress,

> malnutrition, intravenous drug use, multiple sex

> partners, HIV drugs,

> etc., that I will not develop AIDS just because I

> was diagnosed HIV+?

> See this is the question that the anti-AIDS

> activists are not

> answering, at least not for me. Is it not true

> that ALL people with

> HIV end up with a compromised immune system do to

> the loss of T-cells

> caused by HIV?

>

> I live a VERY healthy lifestyle. I eat healthy

> food, do the Beck

> Protocol (all 4 parts), exercise, drink 2 cups of

> green tea every

> morning, sometimes use a regular zapper (just for

> the extra), recently

> received 's parasite herbs (which I will be

> starting soon), take

> vitamins, and looking into Transfer Factors

> (http://www.transferfactor.com). I'm sure that I

> will be trying a

> bunch of different things, but these are some that

> I am trying for

> now. According to orthodox medicine, this will not

> stop me from

> developing AIDS, only the HIV drugs can delay the

> onset of AIDS. Is

> that the truth, or what is the truth? Does anyone

> REALLY know? I am

> beginning to wonder.

>

> Tavis

> P.S. Sorry to always sound like I'm whining guys,

> but I'm just trying

> to gather information before I make any life

> changing decisions!

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

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February 8, 2007

I did a lumbar puncture test last year. Believe me, the side effects

are just simply not worth taking. I developed a really bad migraine

with nausea for 7 days in a row, during which I could hardly stand up

straight without getting a splitting headache.

February 8, 2007

Pat,

I totally agree with what you said about HIV drugs in general,

especially AZT. When I was first infected, my mind was still in a

mess & 200% vulnerable, I joined a HIV-support group hoping to find

strength to cope with the disease. But I realised that everybody

inside that group were singing praises for the drugs including AZT!

It seems that there are people who are totally reliant on the

opinions of thier professional doctors without thinking whether it is

really helpful for themselves. I heard personal accounts by the other

HIV-positives in the group relating how much side effects they are

facing while taking the drugs & the only advice they get from

the " higher authorites " is to bear with the side effects & pray that

they will ride over them!

> > >

> > > Hi,

> > >

> > > So many on the internet seem to suggest that HIV doesn't

cause

> > AIDS

> > > and that stress, malnutrition, drug use, etc. is the factor that

> > > causes it. So are they suggesting that all the millions of

people

> > > that died of AIDS thus far did not die from the HIV virus

(which

> > they

> > > all have in common) and that they all died from those other

> > factors?

> > >

> > > I have was diagnosed as HIV+ on Nov. 2, 2006 and once again

on

> > Feb.

> > > 6, 2007. So are the " dissidents " telling me that if I avoid

stress,

> > > malnutrition, intravenous drug use, multiple sex partners, HIV

> > drugs,

> > > etc., that I will not develop AIDS just because I was diagnosed

> > HIV+?

> > > See this is the question that the anti-AIDS activists are not

> > > answering, at least not for me. Is it not true that ALL people

with

> > > HIV end up with a compromised immune system do to the loss of T-

> > cells

> > > caused by HIV?

> > >

> > > I live a VERY healthy lifestyle. I eat healthy food, do the

Beck

> > > Protocol (all 4 parts), exercise, drink 2 cups of green tea

every

> > > morning, sometimes use a regular zapper (just for the extra),

> > recently

> > > received 's parasite herbs (which I will be starting

soon),

> > take

> > > vitamins, and looking into Transfer Factors

> > > (http://www.transferfactor.com). I'm sure that I will be

trying a

> > > bunch of different things, but these are some that I am trying

for

> > > now. According to orthodox medicine, this will not stop me from

> > > developing AIDS, only the HIV drugs can delay the onset of

AIDS. Is

> > > that the truth, or what is the truth? Does anyone REALLY

know? I

> > am

> > > beginning to wonder.

> > >

> > > Tavis

> > > P.S. Sorry to always sound like I'm whining guys, but I'm just

> > trying

> > > to gather information before I make any life changing decisions!

> > >

> >

>

February 8, 2007

It's worse than they thought: they now know their drugs did not reach

the HIV living in the gut killing off the CD4 cells. And that drugs

probably cannot reach those HIV, so people will always be living in

Hell..not only from side effects but also from the HIV missed on them.

Why go on about the drugs? We now know their severe limitations. Why

not attack the HIV in the gut and move everyone to a new level? We

knew people who died with and without drugs. How bout no more dying?

GUTZILLA.

bG

>

> Pat,

the only advice they get from

> the " higher authorites " is to bear with the side effects & pray that

> they will ride over them!

>

February 9, 2007

>Hello Tavis,

As of 1994 the Cebter for Disease Control (CDC) had 12 cases

of " full blown Aids " with NO detectable HIV in the patients. Not

everyone with Aids has HIV infection. Go to www.null.com for

deeper insite to the true cause. Also, for over 16 years several

hundred patients with sick with Aids have been treated successfully

with intravenous ozone therapy and healthy lifestyle changes. All are

alive and working, living healthy lives.

> Hi,

>

> So many on the internet seem to suggest that HIV doesn't cause

AIDS

> and that stress, malnutrition, drug use, etc. is the factor that

> causes it. So are they suggesting that all the millions of people

> that died of AIDS thus far did not die from the HIV virus (which

they

> all have in common) and that they all died from those other

factors?

>

> I have was diagnosed as HIV+ on Nov. 2, 2006 and once again on

Feb.

> 6, 2007. So are the " dissidents " telling me that if I avoid stress,

> malnutrition, intravenous drug use, multiple sex partners, HIV

drugs,

> etc., that I will not develop AIDS just because I was diagnosed

HIV+?

> See this is the question that the anti-AIDS activists are not

> answering, at least not for me. Is it not true that ALL people with

> HIV end up with a compromised immune system do to the loss of T-

cells

> caused by HIV?

>

> I live a VERY healthy lifestyle. I eat healthy food, do the Beck

> Protocol (all 4 parts), exercise, drink 2 cups of green tea every

> morning, sometimes use a regular zapper (just for the extra),

recently

> received 's parasite herbs (which I will be starting soon),

take

> vitamins, and looking into Transfer Factors

> (http://www.transferfactor.com). I'm sure that I will be trying a

> bunch of different things, but these are some that I am trying for

> now. According to orthodox medicine, this will not stop me from

> developing AIDS, only the HIV drugs can delay the onset of AIDS. Is

> that the truth, or what is the truth? Does anyone REALLY know? I

am

> beginning to wonder.

>

> Tavis

>

February 9, 2007

>Hello Tavis,

As of 1994 the Cebter for Disease Control (CDC) had 12 cases

of " full blown Aids " with NO detectable HIV in the patients. Not

everyone with Aids has HIV infection. Go to www.null.com for

deeper insite to the true cause. Also, for over 16 years several

hundred patients with sick with Aids have been treated successfully

with intravenous ozone therapy and healthy lifestyle changes. All are

alive and working, living healthy lives.

> Hi,

>

> So many on the internet seem to suggest that HIV doesn't cause

AIDS

> and that stress, malnutrition, drug use, etc. is the factor that

> causes it. So are they suggesting that all the millions of people

> that died of AIDS thus far did not die from the HIV virus (which

they

> all have in common) and that they all died from those other

factors?

>

> I have was diagnosed as HIV+ on Nov. 2, 2006 and once again on

Feb.

> 6, 2007. So are the " dissidents " telling me that if I avoid stress,

> malnutrition, intravenous drug use, multiple sex partners, HIV

drugs,

> etc., that I will not develop AIDS just because I was diagnosed

HIV+?

> See this is the question that the anti-AIDS activists are not

> answering, at least not for me. Is it not true that ALL people with

> HIV end up with a compromised immune system do to the loss of T-

cells

> caused by HIV?

>

> I live a VERY healthy lifestyle. I eat healthy food, do the Beck

> Protocol (all 4 parts), exercise, drink 2 cups of green tea every

> morning, sometimes use a regular zapper (just for the extra),

recently

> received 's parasite herbs (which I will be starting soon),

take

> vitamins, and looking into Transfer Factors

> (http://www.transferfactor.com). I'm sure that I will be trying a

> bunch of different things, but these are some that I am trying for

> now. According to orthodox medicine, this will not stop me from

> developing AIDS, only the HIV drugs can delay the onset of AIDS. Is

> that the truth, or what is the truth? Does anyone REALLY know? I

am

> beginning to wonder.

>

> Tavis

>

February 9, 2007

Wow guys,

The feedback and opinions you guys gave on this

subject has been absolutely incredible! I always find

it so interesting to find out what's going on in

everyone else's heads. The biggest new info. on the

previous messages that I got was the fact that

Kluesner was actually on HIV meds at a point in time.

Here I thought that this guy just made it all these

years without the drugs. In a way, that kinda throws

off my theory of people living 15+ years WITHOUT ANY

kind of drug intervention. The first set of drugs

they gave you caused lumps in your head or

something like that and then they changed the drugs on

you and those things disappeared. So sounds like one

set of them were not " for you, " and maybe the other

set was, I dunno. That's why they try different

combinations right to find which ones that will work

with your body...???

I'm supposed to call a guy from ACTUP San Francisco

sometime today (http://www.actupsf.com). They believe

that the whole HIV thing is a scam and that HIV does

not cause AIDS. They say that the medical

establishment does not report the number of people

that actually DO NOT take ANY drugs for the virus and

still live many years later in good health. So

hopefully he can even refer me to some HIV+ people

that refused to give in to the medications and then

hear how they are doing thus far. I think I'm doing

the right thing here. I haven't even gone to get a

viral load count or t-cell count because I know once a

do that 1)I will no longer be anonymous to the

establishment (health insurance and hospitals, etc)

and 2)they would try to pressure me even more to go on

drugs if they counts are low.

I feel in my heart that they don't want us to do all

this research and asking of questions. They want us

to think that we are simply " in denial and afraid to

face the truth. " Well yes, fact of the matter is, I

don't want to face the fact that I could have a deadly

virus that can cause AIDS and that there is nothing

alternative or " safe " that I can put into my body that

will keep me healthy for many years to come. When I

read all these other views on how the virus has never

been isolated, that the antibody tests are not

reliable, that you can't judge illness by t-cells,

blah blah blah, I get this caution sign that says 'If

you're gonna go on drugs, at least make sure you've

read everything you can about the disease and make

sure you've tried every alternative therapy that you

can afford.'

Guys, to add to that. I am in the highest target

group in the USA for HIV/AIDS: a black gay male.

There is so much awareness about how HIV has killed

and is still killing so many black Americans so that

heightens my concern and thirst for information even

more. I know I'm not going to find the answer over

night, but asking all these questions and listening to

your responses help alot. They help me gather

collective thoughts, ideas, and information into one

conclusion. Thanks for all your feedback guys and bG,

I hope you're onto something! A friend is going to

make this for me. According to Dr. Carla (talk with

her free on Tuesday nights during live conference

calls at 712-775-7000 pin: 887575), the Beck Protocol

can and does cure HIV/AIDS along with some supplements

that she can offer. She says that people are just

" not doing it right. " She thinks that the Gutzilla

sounds crazy, lol. You guys should call. I'll be

there also and you can talk with her live.

Ok, I've typed enough for now. I could go on but I

hate really long emails and don't want to put you guys

through it either, hahaha. God bless you all!

Many blessings and love,

Tavis

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If she thinks Gutzilla sounds crazy and that Beck can work, given what

we know about HIV's location, then she is not scientifically-guided.

>

> Wow guys,

>She thinks that the Gutzilla

> sounds crazy, lol. You guys should call. I'll be

> there also and you can talk with her live.

>

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or she hasn't considered the idea in light of the evidence, or she's mainly

pushing her products.

please give her a call, bG. you the man!

> Re: HIV causes AIDS, HIV does not

> cause AIDS, what?

>

> If she thinks Gutzilla sounds crazy and that Beck can work, given what

> we know about HIV's location, then she is not scientifically-guided.

>

> >

> > Wow guys,

> >She thinks that the Gutzilla

> > sounds crazy, lol. You guys should call. I'll be

> > there also and you can talk with her live.

> >

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February 9, 2007

no, I've worked enough on it.

bG

>

> or she hasn't considered the idea in light of the evidence, or she's

mainly

> pushing her products.

> please give her a call, bG. you the man!

>

February 10, 2007

Dear Tavis,

You said, " what I would like to hear are testimonies of people that did not take

the HIV drugs and are living well and happy for 15+ years after diagnosis. There

should be an online group just for people that refused to take the drugs. If you

find one, let me know! "

Good news! Maggiore, who set up the www.AliveandWell.org site, is just

such a person, healthy 15 years after being " diagnosed " as HIV +. Here is her

story, found at the bottom of the " About Us " page :

" Words From Alive & Well Founder Maggiore

In 1992, I took what is commonly referred to as an HIV test. I had

no symptoms of illness, no particular risks or fears, just a new doctor who

insisted the test should be part of a regular medical exam. What began as a

simple check up turned from routine to life altering when my results came back

HIV positive.

Putting aside my shock and shame, I immediately sought out an AIDS

specialist. This doctor declared that my test was not positive, not enough to be

considered conclusive, anyway. Frightened and confused but hopeful, I followed

his recommendations to take the test again along with other lab work to evaluate

everything from my cholesterol to T cells.

According to the specialist, the results of this second HIV test

were indisputably positive and my progression from somewhat positive to

conclusively positive indicated a recent infection with HIV. I accepted his

explanation even though the circumstances of my life excluded the possibility of

a new infection.

Despite my positive diagnosis, the doctor declared me exceptionally

healthy. He also told me that despite my exceptional health, there was nothing I

could do to prevent devastating disease and an eventual death from AIDS.

According to official estimates, I had between five and seven years to live.

The doctor warned me against wasting money on vitamins and other

" foolish " attempts to save my immune system. Instead he advised I wait to become

sick and then take AZT, a drug with severe side effects that could possibly make

me sicker. I went directly from his office to a health food store in search of

the forbidden vitamins. The following day, I began to look for a new AIDS

specialist.

Life as I had lived, planned and hoped came to a grinding halt. I

lost interest in my job running a clothing company I started in 1986 and had

nurtured into a multi-million dollar enterprise. I gave up my goal of earning an

MBA and dropped out of business school. Big Sisters of America immediately

dropped me from their mentorship program when I confided to having tested HIV

positive. Feeling like a cross between a leper and a total loser, I decided to

keep my tragedy a secret. I stopped spending time with family and all but a few

close friends. Instead, I attended AIDS seminars and joined a support group for

HIV positive women where once a week we were encouraged to compare notes on our

fears and frustrations, mention any potential symptoms, and lament the lousy

deal we'd all been handed.

My AIDS activism began by accident when a friend, moved by my

plight, tried to volunteer at AIDS Project Los Angeles (APLA) and was turned

away. Incensed that a warm, intelligent woman with the sincerest of motivations

would be treated with such disregard, I complained to the men in charge. Before

I could finish my reprimand, I had been drafted into their public speaker's

bureau.

Almost immediately, I was touring local high schools and colleges on

behalf of APLA. I appeared as the person that HIV should never have happened

to-a white, heterosexual, non-IV drug using business professional. APLA booked

me for a year's worth of engagements before I'd even finished their training

course. I made audiences laugh, cry, and most importantly scared since I seemed

to embody the slogan that everyone is at risk for AIDS.

My suggestions for improving the women's HIV support group at LA

Shanti turned into an invitation to speak for that organization which led to a

position on the founding board of yet another AIDS group, Women At Risk.

Although my involvement in AIDS work began unintentionally, I took

on my assignments with great passion and deepening sense that these efforts

would give meaning to the tragedy that was now my life. I never for a moment

imagined a future that might deviate from where I believed I was headed.

But then a year or so into my diagnosis and public service, and

after interviewing half a dozen AIDS doctors whose recommendations ranged from

immediate drug therapy to world travel, I found an anomaly among AIDS

specialists-a doctor who didn't routinely fill people with toxic pharmaceuticals

and lethal predictions. She treated me as an individual rather than an impending

statistic, and in doing so noticed my good health. She said I didn't fit the

profile of an AIDS patient, and urged me to take another HIV test. Afraid to

raise my hopes, at first I refused. When I finally found the courage to retest,

the result was inconclusive. Further testing produced a series of unsettling,

contradictory diagnoses: a positive, followed by a negative, followed by another

positive.

Confused by a personal situation that defied all the rules I'd been

so passionately preaching as a public speaker, I turned for help to the AIDS

groups where I worked. Instead of finding answers, I found my questions were

dismissed and that persisting with my line of inquiry resulted only in

meaningless explanations.

My desire to learn finally led me outside the confines of the AIDS

establishment and into a body of scientific, medical and epidemiological data

that defied everything I had been taught about AIDS, and everything that I had

been teaching others. The more I read, the more I became convinced that AIDS

research had jumped on a bandwagon that was headed in the wrong direction.

When it became clear that the information I had found, however

life-affirming, was not welcome among the AIDS organizations I belonged to, I

decided to start my own. In 1995, together with a few friends gathered from

various support groups and other places along the way, I started Alive & Well to

share vital facts about HIV and AIDS unavailable from mainstream venues.

In 1996, while trying to write a simple threefold brochure, the

first version of my book " What If Everything You Thought About AIS Was Wrong "

emerged.

In the 12 years since receiving my death sentence, I have taken an

unexpected journey from frightened victim to AIDS activist to HIV dissident to

spokesperson for new views about HIV and AIDS. I have abundant good health and

live without pharmaceutical treatments or fear of AIDS. [emphasis mine - Arthur]

The most surprising aspect of my story is that it is not at all

unusual-I know hundreds of HIV positives that are alive and naturally well many

years after receiving their own dire prognoses. Contrary to popular claims, what

we have in common is not some unique genetic quality, but the ability to

liberate ourselves us from unfounded fears and embrace our natural ability to

live in health.

Through Alive & Well and my book, I hope to share vital facts,

inspire essential dialogue and give other people who test HIV positive the

chance to consider a destiny that differs from the one we are taught to expect.

Thank you for visiting this web site and for your willingness to

examine another view of AIDS.

Sincerely,

Maggiore "

Tavis, I would suggest you try to find a single person who HAS taken the drugs

and is in good health 15+ years later. Almost everybody that I have talked to

that was HIV positive has told me that their friends have died from the drugs,

not the disease. Time and again, they say the health declines really started

when the drugs began. This is not at all surprising, when you look up what the

drugs are intended to do in the body, not to mention their many devastating side

effects. The drugs used on AIDS victims are the most diabolical and destructive

I have ever seen. Check out Nevirapine and AZT just for starters. There is just

NO upside to those.

A thorough read of www.AliveandWell.org will yield many more gems worth finding,

and not just for those tested HIV+.

Blessings!

Arthur

888-533-7007

www.BestZapper.com

www.ForgetDrugs.com

HIV causes AIDS, HIV does not

> cause AIDS, what?

>

> Hi,

>

> So many on the internet seem to suggest that HIV

> doesn't cause AIDS

> and that stress, malnutrition, drug use, etc. is

> the factor that

> causes it. So are they suggesting that all the

> millions of people

> that died of AIDS thus far did not die from the

> HIV virus (which they

> all have in common) and that they all died from

> those other factors?

>

> I have was diagnosed as HIV+ on Nov. 2, 2006 and

> once again on Feb.

> 6, 2007. So are the " dissidents " telling me that

> if I avoid stress,

> malnutrition, intravenous drug use, multiple sex

> partners, HIV drugs,

> etc., that I will not develop AIDS just because I

> was diagnosed HIV+?

> See this is the question that the anti-AIDS

> activists are not

> answering, at least not for me. Is it not true

> that ALL people with

> HIV end up with a compromised immune system do to

> the loss of T-cells

> caused by HIV?

>

> I live a VERY healthy lifestyle. I eat healthy

> food, do the Beck

> Protocol (all 4 parts), exercise, drink 2 cups of

> green tea every

> morning, sometimes use a regular zapper (just for

> the extra), recently

> received 's parasite herbs (which I will be

> starting soon), take

> vitamins, and looking into Transfer Factors

> (http://www.transferfactor.com). I'm sure that I

> will be trying a

> bunch of different things, but these are some that

> I am trying for

> now. According to orthodox medicine, this will not

> stop me from

> developing AIDS, only the HIV drugs can delay the

> onset of AIDS. Is

> that the truth, or what is the truth? Does anyone

> REALLY know? I am

> beginning to wonder.

>

> Tavis

> P.S. Sorry to always sound like I'm whining guys,

> but I'm just trying

> to gather information before I make any life

> changing decisions!

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

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Hey Arthur,

Thank you and bless you for that information. Funny

you sent that, because ACTUP San Francisco is sending

me a copy of that book next week. I spoke with a guy

from that organization and let me tell you that they

don't believe in AZT or that HIV even causes AIDS. He

suprisingly tho told me that the newer medicines that

they are prescribing are alot better than they used to

be. He's seen people near death that the drugs

actually helped quite a bit. He also saw people that

lived without the drugs and stayed healthy for quite

some time. However, he said that those that lived

without drugs and stayed healthy was not a

" significant " number tho. So that tells me that

whether HIV causes AIDS or not, that doesn't matter.

What matters is that people diagnosed as HIV+ do most

generally get sick within a certain amount of years on

average. Some say the virus is harmless, but hey

maybe they are just the lucky ones. Until someone

changes my mind, I think the virus is very dangerous

and it's nothing that needs to be taken lightly. At

this point in my life, I am still giving

electrotherapy a chance along with trying a few herbs

and supplements. If I don't see improvement in a

couple of years, I will have no choice but to go on

the drugs because once those t-cells go beyond 200,

you're open for a deadly opportunistic infection. I

appreciate your feedback and helpful info. very much!

I am always open to learning new things.

Best Regards,

Tavis

--- Arthur Doerksen <ad7@...> wrote:

> Dear Tavis,

>

> You said, " what I would like to hear are testimonies

> of people that did not take the HIV drugs and are

> living well and happy for 15+ years after diagnosis.

> There should be an online group just for people that

> refused to take the drugs. If you find one, let me

> know! "

>

> Good news! Maggiore, who set up the

> www.AliveandWell.org site, is just such a person,

> healthy 15 years after being " diagnosed " as HIV +.

> Here is her story, found at the bottom of the " About

> Us " page :

>

> " Words From Alive & Well Founder

> Maggiore

>

> In 1992, I took what is commonly

> referred to as an HIV test. I had no symptoms of

> illness, no particular risks or fears, just a new

> doctor who insisted the test should be part of a

> regular medical exam. What began as a simple check

> up turned from routine to life altering when my

> results came back HIV positive.

>

> Putting aside my shock and shame, I

> immediately sought out an AIDS specialist. This

> doctor declared that my test was not positive, not

> enough to be considered conclusive, anyway.

> Frightened and confused but hopeful, I followed his

> recommendations to take the test again along with

> other lab work to evaluate everything from my

> cholesterol to T cells.

>

> According to the specialist, the results

> of this second HIV test were indisputably positive

> and my progression from somewhat positive to

> conclusively positive indicated a recent infection

> with HIV. I accepted his explanation even though the

> circumstances of my life excluded the possibility of

> a new infection.

>

> Despite my positive diagnosis, the

> doctor declared me exceptionally healthy. He also

> told me that despite my exceptional health, there

> was nothing I could do to prevent devastating

> disease and an eventual death from AIDS. According

> to official estimates, I had between five and seven

> years to live.

>

> The doctor warned me against wasting

> money on vitamins and other " foolish " attempts to

> save my immune system. Instead he advised I wait to

> become sick and then take AZT, a drug with severe

> side effects that could possibly make me sicker. I

> went directly from his office to a health food store

> in search of the forbidden vitamins. The following

> day, I began to look for a new AIDS specialist.

>

> Life as I had lived, planned and hoped

> came to a grinding halt. I lost interest in my job

> running a clothing company I started in 1986 and had

> nurtured into a multi-million dollar enterprise. I

> gave up my goal of earning an MBA and dropped out of

> business school. Big Sisters of America immediately

> dropped me from their mentorship program when I

> confided to having tested HIV positive. Feeling like

> a cross between a leper and a total loser, I decided

> to keep my tragedy a secret. I stopped spending time

> with family and all but a few close friends.

> Instead, I attended AIDS seminars and joined a

> support group for HIV positive women where once a

> week we were encouraged to compare notes on our

> fears and frustrations, mention any potential

> symptoms, and lament the lousy deal we'd all been

> handed.

>

> My AIDS activism began by accident when

> a friend, moved by my plight, tried to volunteer at

> AIDS Project Los Angeles (APLA) and was turned away.

> Incensed that a warm, intelligent woman with the

> sincerest of motivations would be treated with such

> disregard, I complained to the men in charge. Before

> I could finish my reprimand, I had been drafted into

> their public speaker's bureau.

>

> Almost immediately, I was touring local

> high schools and colleges on behalf of APLA. I

> appeared as the person that HIV should never have

> happened to-a white, heterosexual, non-IV drug using

> business professional. APLA booked me for a year's

> worth of engagements before I'd even finished their

> training course. I made audiences laugh, cry, and

> most importantly scared since I seemed to embody the

> slogan that everyone is at risk for AIDS.

>

> My suggestions for improving the women's

> HIV support group at LA Shanti turned into an

> invitation to speak for that organization which led

> to a position on the founding board of yet another

> AIDS group, Women At Risk.

>

> Although my involvement in AIDS work

> began unintentionally, I took on my assignments with

> great passion and deepening sense that these efforts

> would give meaning to the tragedy that was now my

> life. I never for a moment imagined a future that

> might deviate from where I believed I was headed.

>

> But then a year or so into my diagnosis

> and public service, and after interviewing half a

> dozen AIDS doctors whose recommendations ranged from

> immediate drug therapy to world travel, I found an

> anomaly among AIDS specialists-a doctor who didn't

> routinely fill people with toxic pharmaceuticals and

> lethal predictions. She treated me as an individual

> rather than an impending statistic, and in doing so

> noticed my good health. She said I didn't fit the

> profile of an AIDS patient, and urged me to take

> another HIV test. Afraid to raise my hopes, at first

> I refused. When I finally found the courage to

> retest, the result was inconclusive. Further testing

> produced a series of unsettling, contradictory

> diagnoses: a positive, followed by a negative,

> followed by another positive.

>

> Confused by a personal situation that

> defied all the rules I'd been so passionately

> preaching as a public speaker, I turned for help to

> the AIDS groups where I worked. Instead of finding

> answers, I found my questions were dismissed and

> that persisting with my line of inquiry resulted

> only in meaningless explanations.

>

> My desire to learn finally led me

> outside the confines of the AIDS establishment and

> into a body of scientific, medical and

> epidemiological data that defied everything I had

> been taught about AIDS, and everything that I had

> been teaching others. The more I read, the more I

> became convinced that AIDS research had jumped on a

> bandwagon that was headed in the wrong direction.

>

> When it became clear that the

> information I had found, however life-affirming, was

> not welcome among the AIDS organizations I belonged

> to, I decided to start my own. In 1995, together

> with a few friends gathered from various support

> groups and other places along the way, I started

> Alive & Well to share vital facts about HIV and AIDS

> unavailable from mainstream venues.

>

> In 1996, while trying to write a simple

> threefold brochure, the first version of my book

> " What If Everything You Thought About AIS Was Wrong "

> emerged.

>

> In the 12 years since receiving my death

> sentence, I have taken an unexpected journey from

> frightened victim to AIDS activist to HIV dissident

> to spokesperson for new views about HIV and AIDS. I

> have abundant good health and live without

> pharmaceutical treatments or fear of AIDS. [emphasis

> mine - Arthur]

>

> The most surprising aspect of my story

> is that it is not at all unusual-I know hundreds of

> HIV positives that are alive and naturally well many

> years after receiving their own dire prognoses.

> Contrary to popular claims, what we have in common

> is not some unique genetic quality, but the ability

> to liberate ourselves us from unfounded fears and

> embrace our natural ability to live in health.

>

> Through Alive & Well and my book, I hope

> to share vital facts, inspire essential dialogue and

> give other people who test HIV positive the chance

> to consider a destiny that differs from the one we

> are taught to expect.

>

> Thank you for visiting this web site and

> for your willingness to examine another view of

> AIDS.

>

> Sincerely,

>

> Maggiore "

>

> Tavis, I would suggest you try to find a single

> person who HAS taken the drugs and is in good health

> 15+ years later. Almost everybody that I have talked

> to that was HIV positive has told me that their

> friends have died from the drugs, not the disease.

> Time and again, they say the health declines really

> started when the drugs began. This is not at all

> surprising, when you look up what the drugs are

> intended to do in the body, not to mention their

> many devastating side effects. The drugs used on

> AIDS

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