Guest guest Posted April 27, 2006 Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 I sent a link to my sister and she asked this gal at Life Source about it and here is what she had to say about the ionic foot baths.... (this practioner I think is one my sister calls the blood lady. She will show you the critters in your blood before and after her treatments, cleanses and supplements, her own proprietory products of course. I tend to like reading testimonials, if they are indeed true: Ramona, This is a total hoax. Going back into high school chemistry days, it's just the salt coming through the pores mixing with mostly copper; the effect is a " colored water " appearance, and, there are a lot of so-called healthcare practitioners preying on people's imaginations with " smoke and mirrors " to purchase this, or, to sell them something (as you can see for yourself). Don't worry - there is NO way this 'gizmo' can chelate anything from the body - mixing salt with copper produces this rusting look. I just noticed, sadly, the pictures are very blurred - the oneon t Fun, isn't it? It's certainly " buyer beware " - I even had a client at one time who was sold on it. Until I told her about the reasons for this discoloration, she still wanted to believe it worked. Of course, she'd already purchased it. Pathetic! Hope this helps, Ramona. Remember, detoxification of the bowel and liver is the " only " way to really get to the 'critters'. I've yet to see, for instance, one of these produce parasites, worms, candida, fungal forms - or any other pathogen that's excreted only from the feces, and/or urine. Do some research - look it up on the internet. In the meantime, I will try (can't promise) busy week - that I will come up with the truth about this silliness. Hope this helps! Good hearing from you - keep 'em coming, and, we'll have some fun trying to put these goof-balls' claims to rest somehow. ~ p.s. It's no wonder most people (medical professionals) even so-called " normal people " can think those of us (me) are quacks because of this ridiculousness. Life Sources, Inc. Questions about chronic illness? Call 916-536-9930 or visit our web site; www.life-sources.com --------------------------------- goes everywhere you do. Get it on your phone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2006 Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 Aqua Chi is another one. A guy is starting a wellness clinic in Sedona AZ, using the Aqua Chi brand. --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Messenger with Voice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2006 Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 I also got a response from a practioner who uses the Aqua Chi and he and his clients love it. They feel energized. --------------------------------- goes everywhere you do. Get it on your phone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2006 Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 Life Force should do a bit or checking before making unsubstantiated claims about a device the claim has no substantiated claims. Anyone who can dowse can substantiate the ionic foot bath claims. Leo --------------------------------------- > > I sent a link to my sister and she asked this gal at Life Source about it and here is what she had to say about the ionic foot baths.... (this practioner I think is one my sister calls the blood lady. She will show you the critters in your blood before and after her treatments, cleanses and supplements, her own proprietory products of course. I tend to like reading testimonials, if they are indeed true: > > Ramona, > This is a total hoax. > Going back into high school chemistry days, it's just the salt coming through the pores mixing with mostly copper; the effect is a " colored water " appearance, and, there are a lot of so-called healthcare practitioners preying on people's imaginations with " smoke and mirrors " to purchase this, or, to sell them something (as you can see for yourself). Don't worry - there is NO way this 'gizmo' can chelate anything from the body - mixing salt with copper produces this rusting look. I just noticed, sadly, the pictures are very blurred - the oneon t > Fun, isn't it? It's certainly " buyer beware " - I even had a client at one time who was sold on it. Until I told her about the reasons for this discoloration, she still wanted to believe it worked. Of course, she'd already purchased it. Pathetic! > Hope this helps, Ramona. Remember, detoxification of the bowel and liver is the " only " way to really get to the 'critters'. I've yet to see, for instance, one of these produce parasites, worms, candida, fungal forms - or any other pathogen that's excreted only from the feces, and/or urine. > Do some research - look it up on the internet. In the meantime, I will try (can't promise) busy week - that I will come up with the truth about this silliness. > Hope this helps! > Good hearing from you - keep 'em coming, and, we'll have some fun trying to put these goof-balls' claims to rest somehow. > ~ > p.s. It's no wonder most people (medical professionals) even so-called " normal people " can think those of us (me) are quacks because of this ridiculousness. > Life Sources, Inc. > Questions about chronic illness? > Call 916-536-9930 or visit our web site; > www.life-sources.com > > > > > > --------------------------------- > goes everywhere you do. Get it on your phone. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2006 Report Share Posted April 28, 2006 I recently saw a demonstration on a consumer watchdog programe where a footbath showed very discoloured water after 30 mins of use with feet submerged. But the funny thing was after another trial for 30 mins with no feet, the water became just as discoloured, food for thought. <xander95608@...> wrote: Aqua Chi is another one. A guy is starting a wellness clinic in Sedona AZ, using the Aqua Chi brand. --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Messenger with Voice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2006 Report Share Posted April 28, 2006 Mine was also discolored without feet in the bath, however the discoloration was only reddish brown, and did not dowse positive for lead. With feet in the bath it dowsed positive again. So much for consumer watchdogs and their lack of thoroughness. Leo -------------------------------------- Aqua Chi is another one. A guy is starting a wellness clinic in Sedona AZ, using the Aqua Chi brand. > > > > --------------------------------- > Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Messenger with Voice. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2006 Report Share Posted April 28, 2006 Interesting. this guy in AZ said he'd try it once without feet. He said his patients feel buzzed afterwards. perhaps from the current running through water. I had a Chlorine Free ionic system on my swimming pool and spa, which used a small amount of current running through a copper plate to kill algae, and silver to kill bacteria. We had to put about 10 pounds of salt in the pool to act as a conductor, and occasionally add an oxidizer. What made this system so attractive of course was our pool was free of toxic chlorine. After 3 years we had to replace the metal plates, which had eroded down to mere nubs. peter newman <petenewman2004@...> wrote: I recently saw a demonstration on a consumer watchdog programe where a footbath showed very discoloured water after 30 mins of use with feet submerged. But the funny thing was after another trial for 30 mins with no feet, the water became just as discoloured, food for thought. wrote: Aqua Chi is another one. A guy is starting a wellness clinic in Sedona AZ, using the Aqua Chi brand. --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Messenger with Voice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2006 Report Share Posted April 28, 2006 Yes...very hard to believe isn't it? I'm still kind of skeptical but I've had it done. The water will change colors, but the thing to look for is the bubbly foamy stuff that appears on top of the water. Each individual's will be different and the smell/floating things make sense. My boyfriend works with metal all day, his bubbles were full of metal bits. I'm having gallbladder problems, and my foamy turned greenish and smelled horrid. I would have to say this is the hardest " cleanse " to believe in out of all the cleanses out there. Give it a try and see for yourself! Best to all, Shefy <xander95608@...> wrote: I sent a link to my sister and she asked this gal at Life Source about it and here is what she had to say about the ionic foot baths.... (this practioner I think is one my sister calls the blood lady. She will show you the critters in your blood before and after her treatments, cleanses and supplements, her own proprietory products of course. I tend to like reading testimonials, if they are indeed true: Ramona, This is a total hoax. Going back into high school chemistry days, it's just the salt coming through the pores mixing with mostly copper; the effect is a " colored water " appearance, and, there are a lot of so-called healthcare practitioners preying on people's imaginations with " smoke and mirrors " to purchase this, or, to sell them something (as you can see for yourself). Don't worry - there is NO way this 'gizmo' can chelate anything from the body - mixing salt with copper produces this rusting look. I just noticed, sadly, the pictures are very blurred - the oneon t Fun, isn't it? It's certainly " buyer beware " - I even had a client at one time who was sold on it. Until I told her about the reasons for this discoloration, she still wanted to believe it worked. Of course, she'd already purchased it. Pathetic! Hope this helps, Ramona. Remember, detoxification of the bowel and liver is the " only " way to really get to the 'critters'. I've yet to see, for instance, one of these produce parasites, worms, candida, fungal forms - or any other pathogen that's excreted only from the feces, and/or urine. Do some research - look it up on the internet. In the meantime, I will try (can't promise) busy week - that I will come up with the truth about this silliness. Hope this helps! Good hearing from you - keep 'em coming, and, we'll have some fun trying to put these goof-balls' claims to rest somehow. ~ p.s. It's no wonder most people (medical professionals) even so-called " normal people " can think those of us (me) are quacks because of this ridiculousness. Life Sources, Inc. Questions about chronic illness? Call 916-536-9930 or visit our web site; www.life-sources.com --------------------------------- goes everywhere you do. Get it on your phone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2006 Report Share Posted April 28, 2006 Shefy, Actually this isn't hard to believe in at all. Pour vinegar on baking soda and what happens? You get a bubbly foam. I have very poor Chemistry knowledge but if this - ion water pulls out + charged metals and acids will it foam and bubble like the vinegar/baking soda thing? I dunno. You rotten egg smell sounds like H2S or hydrogen sulphide. What has me the most curious is how I can change my body charge or chemistry beforehand to maximise the drawing out of the + ions like the metals. It would seem to me that this unit works on simple osmosis and so the smaller these toxins(+ metals etc.) are, perhaps the more of them will come out. From my layman's understanding the greater the - charge potential the smaller these toxins(metals) will become as they float around in our blood and fluids. So greatly increasing the negative charge potential in the body before the treatment, might result in greater amounts of these toxins to come out? Case study: Person A eats a burger with sour pickles, onions and tomato, some deep fried onion rings and a coke. Then starts his car and lets it warm up in his garage and gets a few minutes of exhaust exposure. He listens to heavy metal music and bangs his head while driving to the clinic. When he gets to the clinic he undergoes a foot bath. Person B eats some sushi with rice. He covers the sushi and rice with a drizzle of flax oil and then eats dessert of ripe banana and some fresh, coconut cream. He gets into his car and doesn't breathe in any exhaust. He listens to some light classical music and sways his head in unison to the soothing notes. When he gets to the clinic he gets his foot bath. Prson A's body fluids are going to be much different than person B's. Person A is going to have very acidic blood which will increase the surface tension of his fluids.His lack of any electron potential in the food he ate will also result in a low, electro-negative carrying capacity of his fluids(Zeta Potential) all the little nutrients and wastes in his fluids will be clumped together or even settled out in his arteries etc. because it takes - charge to keep this material in colloids and in suspension and swimming in his body fluids. Person B will have much higher Zeta Potential. Because of the flax oil, raw fish, banana and cream he will have an abundance of electron's. The p.h. of the foods will lower his surface tension and he will be relaxed. His nutrients and wastes will be in much smaller form and not clumped together because they will be colloids from all the - foods he ate. The question then becomes, which person will draw out more metals(+ charge) when they have there foot bath assuming both have similar metal load before that morning? Corey > I sent a link to my sister and she asked this gal at Life Source about it and here is what she had to say about the ionic foot baths.... (this practioner I think is one my sister calls the blood lady. She will show you the critters in your blood before and after her treatments, cleanses and supplements, her own proprietory products of course. I tend to like reading testimonials, if they are indeed true: > > Ramona, > This is a total hoax. > Going back into high school chemistry days, it's just the salt coming through the pores mixing with mostly copper; the effect is a " colored water " appearance, and, there are a lot of so-called healthcare practitioners preying on people's imaginations with " smoke and mirrors " to purchase this, or, to sell them something (as you can see for yourself). Don't worry - there is NO way this 'gizmo' can chelate anything from the body - mixing salt with copper produces this rusting look. I just noticed, sadly, the pictures are very blurred - the oneon t > Fun, isn't it? It's certainly " buyer beware " - I even had a client at one time who was sold on it. Until I told her about the reasons for this discoloration, she still wanted to believe it worked. Of course, she'd already purchased it. Pathetic! > Hope this helps, Ramona. Remember, detoxification of the bowel and liver is the " only " way to really get to the 'critters'. I've yet to see, for instance, one of these produce parasites, worms, candida, fungal forms - or any other pathogen that's excreted only from the feces, and/or urine. > Do some research - look it up on the internet. In the meantime, I will try (can't promise) busy week - that I will come up with the truth about this silliness. > Hope this helps! > Good hearing from you - keep 'em coming, and, we'll have some fun trying to put these goof-balls' claims to rest somehow. > ~ > p.s. It's no wonder most people (medical professionals) even so- called " normal people " can think those of us (me) are quacks because of this ridiculousness. > Life Sources, Inc. > Questions about chronic illness? > Call 916-536-9930 or visit our web site; > www.life-sources.com > > > > > > --------------------------------- > goes everywhere you do. Get it on your phone. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2006 Report Share Posted April 28, 2006 My chirpractor got the ionic foot baths in her office. I was told that everyone was doing it.. so I tried about 3. I decided to keep my money. I did not feel any better or any worse after each one. I was not convinced about the thing at all. I read the material that the clinic supplied and it states that even if no foot is put into the water, the water coming from the little gizmo will become colored, usually black. I asked the office help about this and they replied that yes, the unit had been run with no foot in it and the water turned black. Sorry but I have not been convinced that the foot bath will draw out metals, or anything else joyce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2006 Report Share Posted April 28, 2006 hi, my name is gary..,I've tried half a dozen or so treatment and I would like to recommend caution...A Dr. Lloyd. phd. on the rife forum brought up about the stainless steel electrodes wearing out so fast and being replaced all the time....there is lots of nickel and no telling what else in steel...where is it going? A few months after my treatments, over a period of a couple of months I had these attacks where I got extremely hot, sweat pored off my face. I got very sick and naseated and a strong matallic taste in my mouth and the saliva flowed like a faucet for 20-30 minutes. My daughter who doesn't have fillings in her teeth had these exact same symptoms a while after having the ion foot baths herself....I checked out on the net and a woman had a web site about nickel poisoning and that was her symptoms..I believe it probley does pulls out some toxins but gets replaced by others even worse...that's just my 2 cents...garyc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2006 Report Share Posted April 28, 2006 , Here are some links. You can also search for Zeta Potential, surface tension, anionic surfactants, vortex flow, EDTA, and chelation. http://www.hbci.com/~wenonah/info/colloid.htm http://www.hbci.com/~wenonah/riddick/edta.htm http://www.hbci.com/~wenonah/riddick/index.html http://www.hbci.com/~wenonah/riddick/chap22.htm www.johnellis.com If you read these links, you should have a fairly good understanding of why - ions in air, water and food can help us heal. You will also understand the basis of using things like citric acid Dr. recommends as a hair rinse. It is an anionic sufactant and cause the water molecules to spread out and become soft and the hair seals, shines and flows. You may also understand basic things like blood albumin which is another anion surfactant and coats things in our fluids so they stay suspended and apart. High albumin levels like I have are indicative of heavy metal poisoning. What really intrigued me the most was the arteries of the heart and the vortex flow that the blood is subjected to each time is goes through the heart. This spinning of the blood sets up a negative charge potential otherwise we would be coagulated in minutes. That is amazing. Corey > > I sent a link to my sister and she asked this gal at Life Source > about it and here is what she had to say about the ionic foot > baths.... (this practioner I think is one my sister calls the blood > lady. She will show you the critters in your blood before and after > her treatments, cleanses and supplements, her own proprietory > products of course. I tend to like reading testimonials, if they > are indeed true: > > > > Ramona, > > This is a total hoax. > > Going back into high school chemistry days, it's just the salt > coming through the pores mixing with mostly copper; the effect is > a " colored water " appearance, and, there are a lot of so-called > healthcare practitioners preying on people's imaginations > with " smoke and mirrors " to purchase this, or, to sell them > something (as you can see for yourself). Don't worry - there is NO > way this 'gizmo' can chelate anything from the body - mixing salt > with copper produces this rusting look. I just noticed, sadly, the > pictures are very blurred - the oneon t > > Fun, isn't it? It's certainly " buyer beware " - I even had a > client at one time who was sold on it. Until I told her about the > reasons for this discoloration, she still wanted to believe it > worked. Of course, she'd already purchased it. Pathetic! > > Hope this helps, Ramona. Remember, detoxification of the bowel > and liver is the " only " way to really get to the 'critters'. I've > yet to see, for instance, one of these produce parasites, worms, > candida, fungal forms - or any other pathogen that's excreted only > from the feces, and/or urine. > > Do some research - look it up on the internet. In the meantime, > I will try (can't promise) busy week - that I will come up with the > truth about this silliness. > > Hope this helps! > > Good hearing from you - keep 'em coming, and, we'll have some > fun trying to put these goof-balls' claims to rest somehow. > > ~ > > p.s. It's no wonder most people (medical professionals) even so- > called " normal people " can think those of us (me) are quacks because > of this ridiculousness. > > Life Sources, Inc. > > Questions about chronic illness? > > Call 916-536-9930 or visit our web site; > > www.life-sources.com > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > goes everywhere you do. Get it on your phone. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2006 Report Share Posted April 28, 2006 From my limited knowledge of this subject, these units appear to be simple chemistry experiments of electrolysis like Leo mentioned. With all due respect to people who purchased commercial units for many hundreds of dollars but they could be homebuilt and very affordable. Corey I have a ionic foot cleanser and yes the water will turn a color depending upon what is in your water supply whether natural or chemical from the water plant. Distilled will turn a little also. It is not so much the color of the water but what else shows up. > > > > --------------------------------- > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1 & cent;/min. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2006 Report Share Posted April 28, 2006 Tari, Sorry if I offended you. My post was directed towards people who maybe felt helpless when they saw these price tags of $1795 and $2500 on their computer screens. This is a lot of money for people. This concept is very simple electro-chemistry and can be easily designed by any high school chemistry teacher, physics teacher etc. Corey I have a ionic foot cleanser > and yes the water will turn a color depending upon what is in your > water supply whether natural or chemical from the water plant. > Distilled will turn a little also. It is not so much the color of > the water but what else shows up. > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. > Great rates starting at 1 & cent;/min. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2006 Report Share Posted April 28, 2006 No soldering required. No worry about lead. Corey I have a ionic foot cleanser > > and yes the water will turn a color depending upon what is in > your > > water supply whether natural or chemical from the water plant. > > Distilled will turn a little also. It is not so much the color > of > > the water but what else shows up. > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone > calls. > > Great rates starting at 1¢/min. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2006 Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 Shefy, Here is a sub. from a small, family Internet company that will sound much better than any of the mass-produced, knock off imported products you find in all the retail outlets. http://www.decware.com/newsite/dhm108b.htm Your brother could spend $10 and get the plans to build this box (link below) to put the sub. in and he would be very happy at the sound quality of the music. The sound of this sub/box combination is very tight, dry, articulate and quick in transient response. It is not boomy, tubby and offensive like the majority of the car systems you hear. http://www.decware.com/get900.htm Corey I have a ionic foot cleanser > and yes the water will turn a color depending upon what is in your > water supply whether natural or chemical from the water plant. > Distilled will turn a little also. It is not so much the color of > the water but what else shows up. > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. > Great rates starting at 1 & cent;/min. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2006 Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 Tari, You mentioned the " Array " needs to be replaced every 40-50 baths and that it adds up. Could you please clarify what you mean by an array? Are you talking about the electrodes? Corey I have a ionic foot cleanser > > and yes the water will turn a color depending upon what is in > your > > water supply whether natural or chemical from the water plant. > > Distilled will turn a little also. It is not so much the color > of > > the water but what else shows up. > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone > calls. > > Great rates starting at 1 & cent;/min. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2006 Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 How are these adding up? Can they not be stainless steel rods like Leo mentioned, i.e. welding rods? Corey I have a ionic foot > cleanser > > > and yes the water will turn a color depending upon what is > in > > your > > > water supply whether natural or chemical from the water > plant. > > > Distilled will turn a little also. It is not so much the > color > > of > > > the water but what else shows up. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to- Phone > > calls. > > > Great rates starting at 1 & cent;/min. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2006 Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 At 28/04/2006 15:53 Friday, wrote: >We had to put about 10 pounds of salt in the pool to act as a >conductor, and occasionally add an oxidizer. What made this system >so attractive of course was our pool was free of toxic >chlorine. After 3 years we had to replace the metal plates, which >had eroded down to mere nubs. Hi - If you added salt, and electrolysis wouldn't you produce chlorine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2006 Report Share Posted May 2, 2006 Not that I am aware of. Our pool had no chlorine odor at all after installing the ionizer and our swim suits didn't reek either. Chlorine ruins spandex swimwear Hi - If you added salt, and electrolysis wouldn't you produce chlorine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2006 Report Share Posted May 3, 2006 At 03/05/2006 05:33 Wednesday, wrote: >Not that I am aware of. Our pool had no chlorine odor at all after >installing the ionizer and our swim suits didn't reek >either. Chlorine ruins spandex swimwear > >Hi - If you added salt, and electrolysis wouldn't you produce chlorine? There are chlorinators available which depend on salt being added to pool water which then produce chlorine gas which purifies the water. see: http://www.poolstore.com/store1/welcome.html?equipment/chlorinatorindex.html I too have a pool and am now concerned that the chlorine is harmful - I dose with chlorine at night so that it has dissipated by morning. Salt by itself is an antiseptic but it is NaCl or Sodium chloride and chlorine is produced from salt with electrolysis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2006 Report Share Posted May 3, 2006 It is how it works. It is how chlorine is made. However, I would think it is the lesser of two evils as it is not near the amount of chlorine in the water as in a regular pool. Rose Re: ionic foot cleanse Not that I am aware of. Our pool had no chlorine odor at all after installing the ionizer and our swim suits didn't reek either. Chlorine ruins spandex swimwear Hi - If you added salt, and electrolysis wouldn't you produce chlorine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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