Re: Re: ionic foot cleanse

April 28, 2006

Jerry in AZ noted that she should take her own advise and look on the internet,

he couldnt find anything negative about it but I'm sure it's on Barrett's quack

site, who has lost a lot of credibility as his life pursuit is not health but

slander and libel, and he's got a pile of lost lawsuits to prove it.

regehr2001 <leoelfie@...> wrote: Life Force should do a bit or

checking before making unsubstantiated

claims about a device the claim has no substantiated claims. Anyone

who can dowse can substantiate the ionic foot bath claims.

Leo

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>

> I sent a link to my sister and she asked this gal at Life Source

about it and here is what she had to say about the ionic foot

baths.... (this practioner I think is one my sister calls the blood

lady. She will show you the critters in your blood before and after

her treatments, cleanses and supplements, her own proprietory products

of course. I tend to like reading testimonials, if they are indeed true:

>

> Ramona,

> This is a total hoax.

> Going back into high school chemistry days, it's just the salt

coming through the pores mixing with mostly copper; the effect is a

" colored water " appearance, and, there are a lot of so-called

healthcare practitioners preying on people's imaginations with " smoke

and mirrors " to purchase this, or, to sell them something (as you can

see for yourself). Don't worry - there is NO way this 'gizmo' can

chelate anything from the body - mixing salt with copper produces this

rusting look. I just noticed, sadly, the pictures are very blurred -

the oneon t

> Fun, isn't it? It's certainly " buyer beware " - I even had a

client at one time who was sold on it. Until I told her about the

reasons for this discoloration, she still wanted to believe it worked.

Of course, she'd already purchased it. Pathetic!

> Hope this helps, Ramona. Remember, detoxification of the bowel

and liver is the " only " way to really get to the 'critters'. I've yet

to see, for instance, one of these produce parasites, worms, candida,

fungal forms - or any other pathogen that's excreted only from the

feces, and/or urine.

> Do some research - look it up on the internet. In the meantime, I

will try (can't promise) busy week - that I will come up with the

truth about this silliness.

> Hope this helps!

> Good hearing from you - keep 'em coming, and, we'll have some fun

trying to put these goof-balls' claims to rest somehow.

> ~

> p.s. It's no wonder most people (medical professionals) even

so-called " normal people " can think those of us (me) are quacks

because of this ridiculousness.

> Life Sources, Inc.

> Questions about chronic illness?

> Call 916-536-9930 or visit our web site;

> www.life-sources.com

>

> ---------------------------------

> goes everywhere you do. Get it on your phone.

>

April 28, 2006

Corey, You mention Zeta potential. Where can I learn about this concept in

detail?

Thanks

Re: ionic foot cleanse

Shefy,

Actually this isn't hard to believe in at all. Pour vinegar on

baking soda and what happens? You get a bubbly foam. I have very

poor Chemistry knowledge but if this - ion water pulls out + charged

metals and acids will it foam and bubble like the vinegar/baking

soda thing? I dunno.

You rotten egg smell sounds like H2S or hydrogen sulphide.

What has me the most curious is how I can change my body charge or

chemistry beforehand to maximise the drawing out of the + ions like

the metals.

It would seem to me that this unit works on simple osmosis and so

the smaller these toxins(+ metals etc.) are, perhaps the more of

them will come out.

From my layman's understanding the greater the - charge potential

the smaller these toxins(metals) will become as they float around in

our blood and fluids. So greatly increasing the negative charge

potential in the body before the treatment, might result in greater

amounts of these toxins to come out?

Case study:

Person A eats a burger with sour pickles, onions and tomato, some

deep fried onion rings and a coke. Then starts his car and lets it

warm up in his garage and gets a few minutes of exhaust exposure. He

listens to heavy metal music and bangs his head while driving to the

clinic. When he gets to the clinic he undergoes a foot bath.

Person B eats some sushi with rice. He covers the sushi and rice

with a drizzle of flax oil and then eats dessert of ripe banana and

some fresh, coconut cream. He gets into his car and doesn't breathe

in any exhaust. He listens to some light classical music and sways

his head in unison to the soothing notes. When he gets to the clinic

he gets his foot bath.

Prson A's body fluids are going to be much different than person

B's. Person A is going to have very acidic blood which will increase

the surface tension of his fluids.His lack of any electron potential

in the food he ate will also result in a low, electro-negative

carrying capacity of his fluids(Zeta Potential) all the little

nutrients and wastes in his fluids will be clumped together or even

settled out in his arteries etc. because it takes - charge to keep

this material in colloids and in suspension and swimming in his body

fluids.

Person B will have much higher Zeta Potential. Because of the flax

oil, raw fish, banana and cream he will have an abundance of

electron's. The p.h. of the foods will lower his surface tension and

he will be relaxed. His nutrients and wastes will be in much smaller

form and not clumped together because they will be colloids from all

the - foods he ate.

The question then becomes, which person will draw out more metals(+

charge) when they have there foot bath assuming both have similar

metal load before that morning?

Corey

> I sent a link to my sister and she asked this gal at Life Source

about it and here is what she had to say about the ionic foot

baths.... (this practioner I think is one my sister calls the blood

lady. She will show you the critters in your blood before and after

her treatments, cleanses and supplements, her own proprietory

products of course. I tend to like reading testimonials, if they

are indeed true:

>

> Ramona,

> This is a total hoax.

> Going back into high school chemistry days, it's just the salt

coming through the pores mixing with mostly copper; the effect is

a " colored water " appearance, and, there are a lot of so-called

healthcare practitioners preying on people's imaginations

with " smoke and mirrors " to purchase this, or, to sell them

something (as you can see for yourself). Don't worry - there is NO

way this 'gizmo' can chelate anything from the body - mixing salt

with copper produces this rusting look. I just noticed, sadly, the

pictures are very blurred - the oneon t

> Fun, isn't it? It's certainly " buyer beware " - I even had a

client at one time who was sold on it. Until I told her about the

reasons for this discoloration, she still wanted to believe it

worked. Of course, she'd already purchased it. Pathetic!

> Hope this helps, Ramona. Remember, detoxification of the bowel

and liver is the " only " way to really get to the 'critters'. I've

yet to see, for instance, one of these produce parasites, worms,

candida, fungal forms - or any other pathogen that's excreted only

from the feces, and/or urine.

> Do some research - look it up on the internet. In the meantime,

I will try (can't promise) busy week - that I will come up with the

truth about this silliness.

> Hope this helps!

> Good hearing from you - keep 'em coming, and, we'll have some

fun trying to put these goof-balls' claims to rest somehow.

> ~

> p.s. It's no wonder most people (medical professionals) even so-

called " normal people " can think those of us (me) are quacks because

of this ridiculousness.

> Life Sources, Inc.

> Questions about chronic illness?

> Call 916-536-9930 or visit our web site;

> www.life-sources.com

>

> ---------------------------------

> goes everywhere you do. Get it on your phone.

>

April 28, 2006

I have a ionic foot cleanser and yes the water will turn a color depending upon

what is in your water supply whether natural or chemical from the water plant.

Distilled will turn a little also. It is not so much the color of the water but

what else shows up.

With feet in the tub, foam, greasy lymph stuff, chunky matter of various colors,

black and green flakes, not omitting the smell that others have mentioned.

I have used this on myself, my autistic son and others. I watched my son's eyes

change from a very dull mud water brown, with no brightness or markings to the

total opposite. I have had some pretty interesting clearings myself.

It is not a cure all, and will not chelate all on its own. But I do believe it

is a very helpful tool.

JMHO

Tari

Re: ionic foot cleanse

My chirpractor got the ionic foot baths in her office. I was told that

everyone was doing it.. so I tried about 3. I decided to keep my money.

I did not feel any better or any worse after each one. I was not

convinced about the thing at all.

I read the material that the clinic supplied and it states that even if

no foot is put into the water, the water coming from the little gizmo

will become colored, usually black. I asked the office help about this

and they replied that yes, the unit had been run with no foot in it and

the water turned black.

Sorry but I have not been convinced that the foot bath will draw out

metals, or anything else

joyce

April 28, 2006

What brand do you you have? My son is also autistic.

Tari Jordan <tjordan@...> wrote: I have a ionic foot cleanser and yes

the water will turn a color depending upon what is in your water supply whether

natural or chemical from the water plant. Distilled will turn a little also. It

is not so much the color of the water but what else shows up.

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April 28, 2006

I have a Vita C shower filter, which neutralizes chlorine. I wonder how tap

water infused with ascorbic acid would work with an ionic foot bath?

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April 28, 2006

,

I have an Ion Cleanse unit retails somewhere around $2,000 -$2,500.

If you would like more info, e-mail me off list.

Tari

Re: Re: ionic foot cleanse

What brand do you you have? My son is also autistic.

Tari Jordan <tjordan@...> wrote: I have a ionic foot cleanser and

yes the water will turn a color depending upon what is in your water supply

whether natural or chemical from the water plant. Distilled will turn a little

also. It is not so much the color of the water but what else shows up.

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April 28, 2006

That may be true, but some of us do not have the time, and or ability to build

this. Having an autistic child does not leave ANY free time. Personally, I am

glad I could purchase one. and DAMN the cost. Skuz the french.

Re: ionic foot cleanse

>From my limited knowledge of this subject, these units appear to be

simple chemistry experiments of electrolysis like Leo mentioned.

With all due respect to people who purchased commercial units for

many hundreds of dollars but they could be homebuilt and very

affordable.

Corey

I have a ionic foot cleanser

and yes the water will turn a color depending upon what is in your

water supply whether natural or chemical from the water plant.

Distilled will turn a little also. It is not so much the color of

the water but what else shows up.

>

> ---------------------------------

> Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls.

Great rates starting at 1 & cent;/min.

>

April 28, 2006

Corey, I'd be concerned about lead solder for welding the stuff together, since

the electrical current mixed with the salt will release small amounts of the

metal array/plates during the ionization, wouldn't it also release bits of lead?

Maybe super glue would work.

koyd24 <c_dyok@...> wrote: Tari,

Sorry if I offended you. My post was directed towards people who

maybe felt helpless when they saw these price tags of $1795 and

$2500 on their computer screens. This is a lot of money for people.

This concept is very simple electro-chemistry and can be easily

designed by any high school chemistry teacher, physics teacher etc.

Corey

I have a ionic foot cleanser

> and yes the water will turn a color depending upon what is in

your

> water supply whether natural or chemical from the water plant.

> Distilled will turn a little also. It is not so much the color

of

> the water but what else shows up.

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone

calls.

> Great rates starting at 1¢/min.

> >

April 28, 2006

What results do you feel you have seen with your child because of the ionic

foot cleanse?

Rose

Re: Re: ionic foot cleanse

That may be true, but some of us do not have the time, and or ability to

build this. Having an autistic child does not leave ANY free time.

Personally, I am glad I could purchase one. and DAMN the cost. Skuz the

french.

Re: ionic foot cleanse

>From my limited knowledge of this subject, these units appear to be

simple chemistry experiments of electrolysis like Leo mentioned.

With all due respect to people who purchased commercial units for

many hundreds of dollars but they could be homebuilt and very

affordable.

Corey

I have a ionic foot cleanser

and yes the water will turn a color depending upon what is in your

water supply whether natural or chemical from the water plant.

Distilled will turn a little also. It is not so much the color of

the water but what else shows up.

>

> ---------------------------------

> Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls.

Great rates starting at 1 & cent;/min.

>

April 29, 2006

Many thanks Corey.

Re: ionic foot cleanse

,

Here are some links. You can also search for Zeta Potential, surface

tension, anionic surfactants, vortex flow, EDTA, and chelation.

http://www.hbci.com/~wenonah/info/colloid.htm

http://www.hbci.com/~wenonah/riddick/edta.htm

http://www.hbci.com/~wenonah/riddick/index.html

http://www.hbci.com/~wenonah/riddick/chap22.htm

www.johnellis.com

If you read these links, you should have a fairly good understanding

of why - ions in air, water and food can help us heal. You will also

understand the basis of using things like citric acid Dr.

recommends as a hair rinse. It is an anionic sufactant and cause the

water molecules to spread out and become soft and the hair seals,

shines and flows.

You may also understand basic things like blood albumin which is

another anion surfactant and coats things in our fluids so they stay

suspended and apart. High albumin levels like I have are indicative

of heavy metal poisoning.

What really intrigued me the most was the arteries of the heart and

the vortex flow that the blood is subjected to each time is goes

through the heart. This spinning of the blood sets up a negative

charge potential otherwise we would be coagulated in minutes. That

is amazing.

Corey

> > I sent a link to my sister and she asked this gal at Life

Source

> about it and here is what she had to say about the ionic foot

> baths.... (this practioner I think is one my sister calls the

blood

> lady. She will show you the critters in your blood before and

after

> her treatments, cleanses and supplements, her own proprietory

> products of course. I tend to like reading testimonials, if

they

> are indeed true:

> >

> > Ramona,

> > This is a total hoax.

> > Going back into high school chemistry days, it's just the

salt

> coming through the pores mixing with mostly copper; the effect

is

> a " colored water " appearance, and, there are a lot of so-called

> healthcare practitioners preying on people's imaginations

> with " smoke and mirrors " to purchase this, or, to sell them

> something (as you can see for yourself). Don't worry - there is

NO

> way this 'gizmo' can chelate anything from the body - mixing

salt

> with copper produces this rusting look. I just noticed, sadly,

the

> pictures are very blurred - the oneon t

> > Fun, isn't it? It's certainly " buyer beware " - I even had a

> client at one time who was sold on it. Until I told her about

the

> reasons for this discoloration, she still wanted to believe it

> worked. Of course, she'd already purchased it. Pathetic!

> > Hope this helps, Ramona. Remember, detoxification of the

bowel

> and liver is the " only " way to really get to the 'critters'.

I've

> yet to see, for instance, one of these produce parasites, worms,

> candida, fungal forms - or any other pathogen that's excreted

only

> from the feces, and/or urine.

> > Do some research - look it up on the internet. In the

meantime,

> I will try (can't promise) busy week - that I will come up with

the

> truth about this silliness.

> > Hope this helps!

> > Good hearing from you - keep 'em coming, and, we'll have

some

> fun trying to put these goof-balls' claims to rest somehow.

> > ~

> > p.s. It's no wonder most people (medical professionals) even

so-

> called " normal people " can think those of us (me) are quacks

because

> of this ridiculousness.

> > Life Sources, Inc.

> > Questions about chronic illness?

> > Call 916-536-9930 or visit our web site;

> > www.life-sources.com

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> > goes everywhere you do. Get it on your phone.

> >

April 29, 2006

Corey,

You didn't offend me that is why I put the in my message. I was just

offering another opinion. I know it is a lot of money (I really would have

preferred to pay a lot less) but I was paying $50 a bath for 3 people so the

cost was worth it to me.

I would love to have an HBOT system but no way can I afford this. Technically,

one could be built relatively easily by digging a hole in the ground at least

18ft but in my part of the country it would be a snake pit. (I'm a wimp when it

comes to creepy crawlies, I would rather face a tornado head on than enter some

of the storm shelters around here, UGH) so sometimes cheaper isn't an

alternative.

By the way, anyone interested in a Ion foot bath needs to realize that the array

needs to be replaced every 40 to 50 baths. This adds up.

Re: ionic foot cleanse

Tari,

Sorry if I offended you. My post was directed towards people who

maybe felt helpless when they saw these price tags of $1795 and

$2500 on their computer screens. This is a lot of money for people.

This concept is very simple electro-chemistry and can be easily

designed by any high school chemistry teacher, physics teacher etc.

Corey

I have a ionic foot cleanser

> and yes the water will turn a color depending upon what is in

your

> water supply whether natural or chemical from the water plant.

> Distilled will turn a little also. It is not so much the color

of

> the water but what else shows up.

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone

calls.

> Great rates starting at 1 & cent;/min.

> >

April 29, 2006

Rose,

Oh gosh, don't know where to start. Before the baths I could not take my

son ANYWHERE except the grocery store. He would have panic, screaming fits.

He had separation anxiety to the point where I was either carrying him all

the time or he was sitting on my shoulders ( I should have looked like

Arnold). The eye color, as I mentioned earlier, sickly yellowish skin.

He was very, very toxic. He now has none of these.

I have done many other things also, but I have found that these bath help

him a lot. I treat him using Metabolic NAET and after a clearing he may

have some severe detoxing issues. The bath help release these.

As I said before, it is not a cure all, but I do believe it is a very

helpful tool. I do not believe it will chelate you all by itself (partly

but not in whole)--you will need to do something to loosen the junk up

first.

Warmly,

Tari

Re: ionic foot cleanse

>

> >From my limited knowledge of this subject, these units appear to be

> simple chemistry experiments of electrolysis like Leo mentioned.

> With all due respect to people who purchased commercial units for

> many hundreds of dollars but they could be homebuilt and very

> affordable.

>

> Corey

>

> I have a ionic foot cleanser

> and yes the water will turn a color depending upon what is in your

> water supply whether natural or chemical from the water plant.

> Distilled will turn a little also. It is not so much the color of

> the water but what else shows up.

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls.

> Great rates starting at 1 & cent;/min.

> >

April 29, 2006

You are right. I'm having my 16 year old brother build one for me. He's kind of

like a genius electrical wizard He said get me a commercial battery charger

and stainless steel and I'll build it for you. Of course he wants a new sub for

his car in return!

Best

Shefy

koyd24 <c_dyok@...> wrote:

From my limited knowledge of this subject, these units appear to be

simple chemistry experiments of electrolysis like Leo mentioned.

With all due respect to people who purchased commercial units for

many hundreds of dollars but they could be homebuilt and very

affordable.

Corey

I have a ionic foot cleanser

and yes the water will turn a color depending upon what is in your

water supply whether natural or chemical from the water plant.

Distilled will turn a little also. It is not so much the color of

the water but what else shows up.

>

> ---------------------------------

> Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls.

Great rates starting at 1 & cent;/min.

>

April 29, 2006

Yes, the array is what you actually put in the water along with your feet.

Re: ionic foot cleanse

Tari,

You mentioned the " Array " needs to be replaced every 40-50 baths and

that it adds up.

Could you please clarify what you mean by an array? Are you talking

about the electrodes?

Corey

I have a ionic foot

cleanser

> > and yes the water will turn a color depending upon what is

in

> your

> > water supply whether natural or chemical from the water

plant.

> > Distilled will turn a little also. It is not so much the

color

> of

> > the water but what else shows up.

> > >

> > > ---------------------------------

> > > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone

> calls.

> > Great rates starting at 1 & cent;/min.

> > >

April 29, 2006

I'm not sure I understand your question. When I said they add up, I meant the

additional cost. The array is supposed to last for a certain number of cleanses

and then must be replaced. Depending on your water supply and I believe how

close to the target electrical range you keep your unit has a lot to do with how

long the array will last.

Please understand I am in no way " pushing " the unit I have. I have had it for

several years and I was only aware of two companies that manufactured this

equipment at the time I purchased it. I was familiar with it and trusted it.

Re: ionic foot cleanse

How are these adding up? Can they not be stainless steel rods like

Leo mentioned, i.e. welding rods?

Corey

I have a ionic foot

> cleanser

> > > and yes the water will turn a color depending upon what

is

> in

> > your

> > > water supply whether natural or chemical from the water

> plant.

> > > Distilled will turn a little also. It is not so much the

> color

> > of

> > > the water but what else shows up.

> > > >

> > > > ---------------------------------

> > > > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-

Phone

> > calls.

> > > Great rates starting at 1 & cent;/min.

> > > >

April 29, 2006

Hi Where did you get the Acorbic filter? Thx

Re: Re: ionic foot cleanse

I have a Vita C shower filter, which neutralizes chlorine. I wonder how tap

water infused with ascorbic acid would work with an ionic foot bath?

---------------------------------

goes everywhere you do. Get it on your phone.

May 12, 2006

I just ordered the foot cleanse off the ebay site...the one for $300 where the

man makes them himself at home. I spoke with him on the phone the other day and

he sounded like he knew what he was talking about and nice. it should be here by

early next week. i'll let you all know how it goes!

i've been wondering where all the eroded metal goes too....any ideas anyone?

Best!

Shefy

gdc4now <gdc4now@...> wrote:

hi, my name is gary..,I've tried half a dozen or so treatment and I

would like to recommend caution...A Dr. Lloyd. phd. on the rife forum

brought up about the stainless steel electrodes wearing out so fast and

being replaced all the time....there is lots of nickel and no telling

what else in steel...where is it going? A few months after my

treatments, over a period of a couple of months I had these attacks

where I got extremely hot, sweat pored off my face. I got very sick and

naseated and a strong matallic taste in my mouth and the saliva flowed

like a faucet for 20-30 minutes. My daughter who doesn't have fillings

in her teeth had these exact same symptoms a while after having the ion

foot baths herself....I checked out on the net and a woman had a web

site about nickel poisoning and that was her symptoms..I believe it

probley does pulls out some toxins but gets replaced by others even

worse...that's just my 2 cents...garyc

May 12, 2006

The eroded metal probably goes to the bottom of the pan. Maybe one way to find

out is try putting a white sock around the array, and see if the metal ends up

inside or outside the sock (or pillowcase, some kind of filter). ? This could

be some of the metals you saw come from your boyfriend's foot bath, that you

thought was coming out of him.

shefy gupta <shefy7@...> wrote: I just ordered the foot cleanse off the

ebay site...the one for $300 where the man makes them himself at home. I spoke

with him on the phone the other day and he sounded like he knew what he was

talking about and nice. it should be here by early next week. i'll let you all

know how it goes!

i've been wondering where all the eroded metal goes too....any ideas anyone?

Best!

Shefy

gdc4now wrote: