Re: zapper, synchrometer, Rife machine, QXCI and so on

[Guest guest]

Re: Source

>

>

>

> Opera singer -> glass

>

> Zapper -> parasite

> Zapper -> bacteria

> Zapper ->virus

>

> s Synchrometer is controversial, probably more-so than the

Zapper,

> but the reaality is it uses the same priniciple Rife used to find his

> Mortal Oscillitory Rates....the difference being he used light and a

> powerful microscope to actually witness the " event " .......The bacteria

> and viruses would only become visible under Rifes microscope at a

> specfic frequency, he then determined which frequency would resonate

the

> subject to the point of destruction.

>

> I think, I haven't checked but rather assume, that s Synchrometer

> uses the same principle as that, only with a lower harmonic....say in

> the sound range rather than light range...

>

> I might have some of the details mixed up as I'm currently having a

bout

> of insomnia, but that's this gist of it...: )...IMO

>

> Khepri

>

>

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: " Sheryl " <dovedesignsrus@...>

>

>

> > Can anyone give my any information on this. It sounds so well. . .

> unbelievable. Sorry I don't want to offend.

> >

> > Sheryl

> >

> > Liz <liz@...> wrote:

> > The source is the parasite because the first zapping gets the

> parasite, the second gets the bacteria that crawled out of the dead

> parasite and the third zapping gets the virus that was living on the

now

> dead bacteria.

> > dr only knows this from the results of her syncrometer

testing.

> >

> >

> > Does anyone remember the name of the site for Polish healing that

had

> Sophia Loren on the book, please?

> >

> > Liz

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > --

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

> It is not a very good practice to try things you don't know what is

good for

> (you can be dead veryy soon from this logic - trying a poisonous herb

for

> exmple).

There is too much anectoal evidence around to be worried about safety

for this therapy...

> It can be that in the USA is difficult to claim healing somebody with

> alternative medicine, but it is not such a big problem in most of the

world

> (yes, in the USA you have much too many lawyers).

I agree!..

> Still - if someone claim that he can heal everything with a smiple

device

> like zapper - it is reasonable to demand proves.

Which is what she is doing in Mexico I believe...Anyway, the therapy

does not involve just the zapper..I thought you said you read the book?

>I am sure, that no

> organization could stop such a revolutionary method,

Now *that* is funny!! What interest would the pharmaceutical industry

have in such a device?

>which can cure almost

> everything. There is no such a strong " big brother " which could stop

> something like this.

I wish that we're true. Unfortunately we have to considered the negative

aspects of capitalism in this case, and in such consideration there is

indeed such a force as to stop something like this. In the US alone we

are talking about billions of dollars in commerce, threatened by this

type of healing. Why do you think she printed the schematic in her book?

That they cannot stop, at least not here in the US.

> If you cure let's say 100 cancer patients i am sure

> everybody of them will go to the court to testimony for you and defend

you.

As has happened. It did not stop them from harassing Hoxey , Rife or

....you can bankrupt them by filing frivolous lawsuit after

frivolous lawsuit until they are broke.....

>

> Yes i am free not to believe, but i would like to believe.

IMO, belief *is* the key factor.

http://www.boston.com/globe/magazine/11-16/interview/

Without it you decrease your success rate siginificantly. One reason I'm

usually quick to defend the modality Dr. outlines...attempt to

stop the seed of doubt from creeping into the mind.

> Zapper is 100

> USD,

Yes, some are....it can be built for actually around 5.65$US.....in

parts. Of course it will look nothing like the ones advertised on the

Internet....but if you are dying, I don't think you'llcare what it looks

like as long as it works....

...bit QXCI is 13.000 USD, SCIO is 18.000 USD, F-Scan2 is 4000 USD, Rife

> machine are from 1000 to 10.000 USD and so one.

Those are very different and much more complex machines and of course

demand a higher price....one cannot buy Volkswagen parts to build a

Mercedes.....

>It is VERY expensive way to

> learn by trying, while the sellers of this machines are reach even if

the

> machines don't work as they claim.

>

That's why most people doing, especially Rife research will often apply

the machine for little to no charge....

> University of Washington - is this the plave where scientific studies

were

> done? About zapper? Where was published this article? It is

accessible?

I believe it was....although it was not a full blown study...it did

confirm that the application of frequency can be effective, but would

not go any further.....probably due to risking losing funding....

http://www..net/news/lairesearch.htm

Anyway, what this shows is that the research is indeed being attempt,

but we are fighting an uphill battle....there are mant that would rather

this *not* succeed for reasons of money.....

This man took great risk, IMO, publishing such a thing, as others have

lost their jobs even suggesting such a thing!

> You are offensive and insulting claiming, that i won't believe even if

I saw

> the real data.

Sorry, but that is the impression you are giving. And for reasons

outlined by Dr. Benson, I feel that it is necessary.

>I will and many people will.

Well, I hope so...: ) Keep in mind this forum has been here a long time,

and every so often someone comes into the group simply to spread doubt

and criticize with no intention of believing, just to discredit.

>For example - i believe that

> bioresonace works (BICOM 2000 machine, available via www.regumed.de),

> because i read some real data and now i already know some people which

was

> cured with this machine. But i don't know anybody cured with this

other

> machines!

Hmmm, that device seem to operate on a different principle than the

or Rife devices....

s Synchrometer is used in a similar manner for detection, the

standard zapper however may be considered to be " broad spectrum " ....some

of the newer maodels try to get into specific frequencies, which is

where this is all naturally headed, but I don't believe we know enough

yet....

But you understand the principles involved then? Is that not enough for

you to evaluate , Rife, Beck and others?

BTW, it was recenrly reported where West Nile Virus was erased in one 90

minutes treatment with a Rife machine....

http://www.royalrife.com/board/ and click on " Recovery Stories " .

Yes, it's anecdotal, but that is good enough for me.

> I am real - i expect some proves, when anybody make big claims. Is

this

> wrong?

I don't think so....Ask your self this. Why would a doctor of cellular

physiology put their reputation on the line with such outrageous claims?

Money? Dr. is not what I would " rich " by the standards used here,

she even has to raise money to defend herself in the court...

Big business has no interest in seeing this kind of healing have

success, the industry is too large and too many economies around the

world would collapse or at the very least suffer as a result.....IMO. I

say let it happen. My government apparently thinks differently.

> To start with - which is your real name, what experience do you have

with

> this machines, ...?

I don't usually use my real name in forums like this for spamming

reasons......

I've been using the zapper, I own three different ones, for several

years now and am satisfied with the results I get from it...I also have

access to a Rife machine my friend ones but I've only used it twice...it

did stop my heartburn twenty minutes after treatment. This was the week

before last.

I feel you also need to understand that these are experimental devices.

I seems that the only man that truly understood the principle has apssed

away, Royal Rife....., Beck and others are all following in his

footsteps....but the government squashed him and suppressed his work, so

we are left trying to re-discover what he discovered, and we've only

been working on it since the mid-eighties I believe....

I'd like to know what you mean by no real evidence that Rife cured

cancer in this matter. The reports are well documented, although the

specifics of the case were burnt in the fire.....As I recall, UCLA

confirmed every case. It's been a while so I might have the wrong

university.

> pavel

BTW Pavel, where do you live? Either you are awake very early in the

morning or it is beginning to get late where you are!...: )

I'm actually enjoying your conversation...: )

Sorry about the harshness....read Dr. Benson please! ..: )

What healing modalities do you use now? And how did you first here of

these machines?

Khepri

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Khepri.....BRAVO BRAVO BRAVO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not only have you saved me a lot of time in responding to this

original poster, but you have done so with eloquence and humble

restraint. I always look forward to your posts. Where do I send the

check?

Pavel.....NOT IN MY HOUSE, CHEIF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

At curezone you were asked by a very knowledgeable member in one of

the forums if you " were familiar with medical politics? " This was in

response to your demands for scientific evidence for proof (spelled

proof)that the clark zapper works. You went on to say that you are

having trouble believing her claims because if they were true, then

" the world would change. " Pavel you never responded to that question.

So y would I be smug enough ( my apologies) to bring up another post

on another health board. Simple. It is relevant. You have come into

this forum like shot out of a canon just as you did another forum.

Secondly, the very same inquisition demands you made on those members,

you now make here as well.

Pavel-

Have you read through any of the 9000 previous posts on this board or

have you just studied the equipment u mentioned? This is a fair and

honest question.

I have also studied to a lesser or greater extent many of the devices

you have mentioned, and read many many previous posts. Now listen up

from someone who is in the same position that you are in. Yep, I too

read several of clarks/becks books. I too have joined forums to learn

more.....

But here is maybe where we differ. I have read through many many of

the previous posts.....

... on many of these forums on.....

many of the very pieces of equipment you yourself are researching as

well. But I never come off cocky asking for proof and only offering

strong skepticism in exchange. At least not in my first few posts...

not until I have read through many previous posts looking for all the

proof and ancedotes are I have found are usually archived there. You

can search by topic within these forums as well.

Morale of the story?

I read the books first as u have.

I do plenty of reasearch by searching the internet on these devices

next.

I join the necessary forums and read previous posts.

I sit on my hands and shut my mouth (no typing my thoughts) until I

think I know what I am saying. I have been on this forum for awhile,

yet have only posted a couple times. Yep, I know that you are not me

and do things your own way.

Have you joined any of these forums Pavel? Maybe they will help u

find the proof u require. U may want to also look into the Albert

Einstein college discovery in 1990 that Beck often makes note of.

Search these at http://

1. - plenty of anecdotes from these home

researchers

2.

3.beck-n-stuff

4.therapies

5. electroherbalism

6. qxci-english

7.rife

8.mr tracys corner

9. colloidalsilver2

10.silverdatawebsite

There are way more....just search.

Pavel. You want proof. What kind of studies? And what kind of

pathogens? Are we talkin only the big stuff like cancer, hiv,

hepatitis c....or also warts, worms, kidney stones, etc????????????

Pavel, when I first read your posts, I had no doubt you don't live in

the usa. U need to know move your research over to understanding the

political/economical game of the american healthcare cartel circus

that is the staus quo here. Allopathic medicine versus alternative

medicine. If you get a firm grasp of this, your questions will be

self evident.

Everything khepri said is on the money! Royal Rife. Do you

know his story and the pressure he faced.

. The same question. Difference is, she fights is everyday...

today! U see not much has changed since the 30's and 40's. " y,

penicilin for everybody. What u found a cheaper cure...that truly is

a cure? Time to die! "

You are comparing way way too many pieces of therapeutic equipment in

your previous statement. I am sure the manufacturers of their

respective devices deserve your thorough research before posting

questions that almost read as accusations. The forum name is here is

Dr and another great one is DrEnthusiasts. U need to

understand that although skepticism is somewhat acceptable, WE HERE

ARE A GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT ARE IN MANY WAYS ENTHUSIASTIC... AND EVEN

FOR SOME FANATICAL.....I THINK I CAN SPEAK FOR AT LEAST A FEW PEOPLE

HERE (may I) THAT WE ARE WAY WAY WAY WAY BEYOND DOUBTING HULDA CLARK.

Let me take it a step further, WE ARE GOING TO DEFEND HER GOOD NAME.

She deserves nothing less.

I think what bothers me is that for someone almost demanding proof in

the form of statistical research (that's you)....you strike me as

someone who has not completely done enough of your OWN research. Yet,

you bring *heavy* doubt to a forum of undoubters. Do you understand

that there are new people that sign on to this forum everyday thinking

they will be able to enthusiastically talk to others how to implement

clark's research/protocols/thoughts...yet they come to find many that

are infecting the forum with heavy doubt and skepticism.

I do not intend to sound like your father, but it's worth repeating-

people come here to talk passionatly about Hulda and the impact

she has had on their lives. These are not forums spread and spend

time towards clark skepticism. We have matriculated beyond that. Yes

that sounds smug....please believe me I mean that very nicely Pavel.

All that said, I am confident you'll be schooling most of us a year

from now Pavel judging from your level of tenacity and thirst for the

truth. That my friend, is very admirable! Good luck in your quest

for the truth and God's speed.

>

> ----- Original Message -----

>

> > It is not a very good practice to try things you don't know what

is

> good for

> > (you can be dead veryy soon from this logic - trying a poisonous

herb

> for

> > exmple).

>

> There is too much anectoal evidence around to be worried about

safety

> for this therapy...

>

> > It can be that in the USA is difficult to claim healing somebody

with

> > alternative medicine, but it is not such a big problem in most of

the

> world

> > (yes, in the USA you have much too many lawyers).

>

> I agree!..

>

> > Still - if someone claim that he can heal everything with a

smiple

> device

> > like zapper - it is reasonable to demand proves.

>

> Which is what she is doing in Mexico I believe...Anyway, the therapy

> does not involve just the zapper..I thought you said you read the

book?

>

>

> >I am sure, that no

> > organization could stop such a revolutionary method,

>

> Now *that* is funny!! What interest would the pharmaceutical

industry

> have in such a device?

>

> >which can cure almost

> > everything. There is no such a strong " big brother " which could

stop

> > something like this.

>

> I wish that we're true. Unfortunately we have to considered the

negative

> aspects of capitalism in this case, and in such consideration there

is

> indeed such a force as to stop something like this. In the US alone

we

> are talking about billions of dollars in commerce, threatened by

this

> type of healing. Why do you think she printed the schematic in her

book?

> That they cannot stop, at least not here in the US.

>

> > If you cure let's say 100 cancer patients i am sure

> > everybody of them will go to the court to testimony for you and

defend

> you.

>

> As has happened. It did not stop them from harassing Hoxey , Rife or

> ....you can bankrupt them by filing frivolous lawsuit after

> frivolous lawsuit until they are broke.....

>

> >

> > Yes i am free not to believe, but i would like to believe.

>

> IMO, belief *is* the key factor.

>

> http://www.boston.com/globe/magazine/11-16/interview/

>

> Without it you decrease your success rate siginificantly. One reason

I'm

> usually quick to defend the modality Dr. outlines...attempt to

> stop the seed of doubt from creeping into the mind.

>

>

> > Zapper is 100

> > USD,

>

> Yes, some are....it can be built for actually around 5.65$US.....in

> parts. Of course it will look nothing like the ones advertised on

the

> Internet....but if you are dying, I don't think you'llcare what it

looks

> like as long as it works....

>

> ..bit QXCI is 13.000 USD, SCIO is 18.000 USD, F-Scan2 is 4000 USD,

Rife

> > machine are from 1000 to 10.000 USD and so one.

>

> Those are very different and much more complex machines and of

course

> demand a higher price....one cannot buy Volkswagen parts to build a

> Mercedes.....

>

>

> >It is VERY expensive way to

> > learn by trying, while the sellers of this machines are reach even

if

> the

> > machines don't work as they claim.

> >

>

> That's why most people doing, especially Rife research will often

apply

> the machine for little to no charge....

>

>

> > University of Washington - is this the plave where scientific

studies

> were

> > done? About zapper? Where was published this article? It is

> accessible?

>

> I believe it was....although it was not a full blown study...it did

> confirm that the application of frequency can be effective, but

would

> not go any further.....probably due to risking losing funding....

>

> http://www..net/news/lairesearch.htm

>

> Anyway, what this shows is that the research is indeed being

attempt,

> but we are fighting an uphill battle....there are mant that would

rather

> this *not* succeed for reasons of money.....

>

> This man took great risk, IMO, publishing such a thing, as others

have

> lost their jobs even suggesting such a thing!

>

> > You are offensive and insulting claiming, that i won't believe

even if

> I saw

> > the real data.

>

> Sorry, but that is the impression you are giving. And for reasons

> outlined by Dr. Benson, I feel that it is necessary.

>

> >I will and many people will.

>

> Well, I hope so...: ) Keep in mind this forum has been here a long

time,

> and every so often someone comes into the group simply to spread

doubt

> and criticize with no intention of believing, just to discredit.

>

> >For example - i believe that

> > bioresonace works (BICOM 2000 machine, available via www.regumed.

de),

> > because i read some real data and now i already know some people

which

> was

> > cured with this machine. But i don't know anybody cured with this

> other

> > machines!

>

> Hmmm, that device seem to operate on a different principle than the

> or Rife devices....

>

> s Synchrometer is used in a similar manner for detection, the

> standard zapper however may be considered to be " broad spectrum " ....

some

> of the newer maodels try to get into specific frequencies, which is

> where this is all naturally headed, but I don't believe we know

enough

> yet....

>

> But you understand the principles involved then? Is that not enough

for

> you to evaluate , Rife, Beck and others?

>

> BTW, it was recenrly reported where West Nile Virus was erased in

one 90

> minutes treatment with a Rife machine....

>

> http://www.royalrife.com/board/ and click on " Recovery Stories " .

>

> Yes, it's anecdotal, but that is good enough for me.

>

>

> > I am real - i expect some proves, when anybody make big claims. Is

> this

> > wrong?

>

> I don't think so....Ask your self this. Why would a doctor of

cellular

> physiology put their reputation on the line with such outrageous

claims?

> Money? Dr. is not what I would " rich " by the standards used

here,

> she even has to raise money to defend herself in the court...

>

> Big business has no interest in seeing this kind of healing have

> success, the industry is too large and too many economies around the

> world would collapse or at the very least suffer as a result.....

IMO. I

> say let it happen. My government apparently thinks differently.

>

> > To start with - which is your real name, what experience do you

have

> with

> > this machines, ...?

>

> I don't usually use my real name in forums like this for spamming

> reasons......

>

> I've been using the zapper, I own three different ones, for several

> years now and am satisfied with the results I get from it...I also

have

> access to a Rife machine my friend ones but I've only used it twice.

...it

> did stop my heartburn twenty minutes after treatment. This was the

week

> before last.

>

> I feel you also need to understand that these are experimental

devices.

> I seems that the only man that truly understood the principle has

apssed

> away, Royal Rife....., Beck and others are all following in his

> footsteps....but the government squashed him and suppressed his

work, so

> we are left trying to re-discover what he discovered, and we've only

> been working on it since the mid-eighties I believe....

>

> I'd like to know what you mean by no real evidence that Rife cured

> cancer in this matter. The reports are well documented, although the

> specifics of the case were burnt in the fire.....As I recall, UCLA

> confirmed every case. It's been a while so I might have the wrong

> university.

>

>

> > pavel

>

> BTW Pavel, where do you live? Either you are awake very early in the

> morning or it is beginning to get late where you are!...: )

>

> I'm actually enjoying your conversation...: )

>

> Sorry about the harshness....read Dr. Benson please! ..: )

>

> What healing modalities do you use now? And how did you first here

of

> these machines?

>

> Khepri

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Wait wait wait. Let me get this straight Pavel. Are you stating that

Kperi is making an excuse by not posting his REAL NAME where he may

have talked about some of the most REAL PEROSNAL OF TOPICS...that

maybe he doesn't even TELL HIS LOVED ONES ABOUT? Yes, Kperi is a big

boy so substitute my name for his. So what you would like me to do is

hang out my " dirty laundry " for not only you to see, but every single

person that comes into this forum and takes an interest in my posts?

Am I understanding you right, good sir? So you want those of us to

send you our full names, the devices we have used, addresses, etc.?

Will you be needing my social security number or taxpayer ID?

Oh, my email spam blocker (both corporate and perosnal) is protected

from spam nearly all the time. It's quite a problem. I better move

to Europe.

You had much to say about the disclaimers that many if not nearly

every single one of these equipment manufacturers and vendors

represents. You have not made yourself completely clear, or as I have

said previously, you simply do are unaware of the healthcare industry

in the US. As a *suggestion*, you may want top familiarize yourself

with the current laws with respect to the devices you've mentioned.

No one can sit and tell you, *you* must personally research, digest &

extropolate the current crisis in medical America information

yourself. Your in Europe, yet you are talking about many

devices/inventors/protocols that have not originated in Europe.

You ask why haven't many/some of our scientists left the country to

practice/perfect/preach their thoughts where they are more welcome?

U said you have researched the QXCI. Are you familiar with the

creator? . His connection, role and place in history

with respect to your space program? You know he went to a more

hospital country to perfect and complete the QXCI (I believe this is

the story). That he found it more *accomodating* in Hungry.

I read something about (have not verified it)Dr. coming back to

the US to give lectures on his most recent equipment (I believe this

was recently (?) and he came to learn that CIA/etc would be waiting

for him. Apparently, he cancelled, and my undestanding is they

actually arrested someone else. See the US patent office has give him

patents before, but only for machines that could *diagnose*. Oh, but

supposedly (I'm still researching it myself) the QXCI/SCIO does not

only diagnose....BUT ALSO TREATS. OOOOhhhhh, treating may just mean

the c word...CURE. Patent office can't have that. He took his

designs elsewhere. So yes Pavel, even you Euros get our finest too

Hulda now and for several years trying to further her researc in

Mexico. Sheesh, didn't Rife even find solace in Mexico for a short

stint? Yes, people have taken their ideas where they are more

welcome.

U said you been doing alot of reearch. How the f-scan u mentioned?

Did you see that 20 page independent little home study by an

individual that systematically dismantled the device every which way

possible? I too have found very little proof and fewer people talking

about it. Yet, the people selling it say of course good things. I

had huge hopes for this device. Have I dropped those hopes? Have I

gone on the forums where I know the guys sell them and create

problems? No, I just do more research and keep hope until I am sure

it doesnt't work. THEN I MAY PROVIDE CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM.

> > It is not a very good practice to try things you don't know what

is

> good for

> > (you can be dead veryy soon from this logic - trying a poisonous

herb

> for

> > exmple).

>

> There is too much anectoal evidence around to be worried about

safety

> for this therapy...

>

> P>>>Not so much here in Europe..

>

> > Still - if someone claim that he can heal everything with a

smiple

> device

> > like zapper - it is reasonable to demand proves.

>

> Which is what she is doing in Mexico I believe...Anyway, the therapy

> does not involve just the zapper..I thought you said you read the

book?

> P>>> Yes, I did. There are others things, but the basic is to zap

or use

> herbal tincture to kill all parasites. There is no much logic in

this.

> Parasites are part of the system and they live everywhere. They are

not all

> bad, some of them we need to be healthy. Many animals eat

decomposing bodies

> and they are still healthy? I don't know, but this really sound a

little

> silly.

>

> >I am sure, that no

> > organization could stop such a revolutionary method,

>

> Now *that* is funny!! What interest would the pharmaceutical

industry

> have in such a device?

> P>>> Not pharmaceutical, them certainly NOT. But medical yes - not

all

> doctors are part of this game. Many yes, but not all. Still, there

are many

> naturopats, homeopaths,... which will certrainly be happy with such

a easy

> way to cure.

>

> >which can cure almost

> > everything. There is no such a strong " big brother " which could

stop

> > something like this.

>

> I wish that we're true. Unfortunately we have to considered the

negative

> aspects of capitalism in this case, and in such consideration there

is

> indeed such a force as to stop something like this. In the US alone

we

> are talking about billions of dollars in commerce, threatened by

this

> type of healing. Why do you think she printed the schematic in her

book?

> That they cannot stop, at least not here in the US.

> P>>> I work in finance 12 years so i understand very well the " money

logic " .

> Pharmaceutical bussines is the second most

important/strong/powerfull/rich,

> second only to weapon industry. Stiil, there are still enough people

which

> have morale, ethics and honesty.

>

> > If you cure let's say 100 cancer patients i am sure

> > everybody of them will go to the court to testimony for you and

defend

> you.

>

> As has happened. It did not stop them from harassing Hoxey , Rife or

> ....you can bankrupt them by filing frivolous lawsuit after

> frivolous lawsuit until they are broke.....

> P>>> I am collecting material about Hoxey, but i already read a book

about

> Rife. Interesting, but claims that Rife was so good at healing are

without

> neccesarry proves again. There are only certain claims and

hypotesis. I see

> Hoxey had many clinics and this sound good. I still don't understand

whay

> this people don't go abroad? In UK there are 3 pure homeopathy

hospitals for

> example, but for one to work there he must be a medical doctor and a

> homeopath too.

>

> >

> > Yes i am free not to believe, but i would like to believe.

> IMO, belief *is* the key factor.

> http://www.boston.com/globe/magazine/11-16/interview/

>

> P>>>: This is true for RELIGION not for the science!

> Nice article. If it's so much in beleiving thean there is no need

for

> Zappers and Rife machines, they coulb be empty - placebo will cure

> everything.

>

> Without it you decrease your success rate siginificantly. One reason

I'm

> usually quick to defend the modality Dr. outlines...attempt to

> stop the seed of doubt from creeping into the mind.

>

>

> > Zapper is 100

> > USD,

>

> Yes, some are....it can be built for actually around 5.65$US.....in

> parts. Of course it will look nothing like the ones advertised on

the

> Internet....but if you are dying, I don't think you'llcare what it

looks

> like as long as it works....

> P>>> If I were dying 100 USD is nothing...

>

> ..bit QXCI is 13.000 USD, SCIO is 18.000 USD, F-Scan2 is 4000 USD,

Rife

> > machine are from 1000 to 10.000 USD and so one.

>

> Those are very different and much more complex machines and of

course

> demand a higher price....one cannot buy Volkswagen parts to build a

> Mercedes.....

> P>>> They NEED PROVES that this machines are MERCEDES? Who say

(beside

> themself) that this machines are so good?

>

>

> > University of Washington - is this the plave where scientific

studies

> were

> > done? About zapper? Where was published this article? It is

> accessible?

>

> I believe it was....although it was not a full blown study...it did

> confirm that the application of frequency can be effective, but

would

> not go any further.....probably due to risking losing funding....

>

> http://www..net/news/lairesearch.htm

> Anyway, what this shows is that the research is indeed being

attempt,

> but we are fighting an uphill battle....there are mant that would

rather

> this *not* succeed for reasons of money.....

> P>>> Yes, a lot of them, but not all.

>

> This man took great risk, IMO, publishing such a thing, as others

have

> lost their jobs even suggesting such a thing!

> P>>> True.

>

> !

>

> Hmmm, that device seem to operate on a different principle than the

> or Rife devices....

> s Synchrometer is used in a similar manner for detection, the

> standard zapper however may be considered to be " broad spectrum " ....

some

> of the newer maodels try to get into specific frequencies, which is

> where this is all naturally headed, but I don't believe we know

enough

> yet....

>

> But you understand the principles involved then? Is that not enough

for

> you to evaluate , Rife, Beck and others?

>

> BTW, it was recenrly reported where West Nile Virus was erased in

one 90

> minutes treatment with a Rife machine....

> http://www.royalrife.com/board/ and click on " Recovery Stories " .

> Yes, it's anecdotal, but that is good enough for me.

>

> P>>> I am going to read it. Still, i would like more than anecdotal.

As i

> say, IT'S EXPENSIVE to evaluate RIFE, BECK , CLARK and others. I

will

> probably buy a 100 USD zapper (this is not so much), Beck devices

are much

> more expensive, Rifes even more....

>

> > I am real - i expect some proves, when anybody make big claims. Is

> this

> > wrong?

>

> I don't think so....Ask your self this. Why would a doctor of

cellular

> physiology put their reputation on the line with such outrageous

claims?

> Money? Dr. is not what I would " rich " by the standards used

here,

> she even has to raise money to defend herself in the court...

> P>>> I am not saying that is rich - I don't know her and i

don't want

> to offend anybody. She sold so many books, that she can be pretty

rich but

> maybe she spend that money for something really good, i relly don't

know

> this.

> Remember the Hipocrat principle - " first, do no harm! " . There are

still MD

> which belive in this. They are candidates to use such machine if

they work.

>

> > To start with - which is your real name, what experience do you

have

> with

> > this machines, ...?

> I don't usually use my real name in forums like this for spamming

> reasons......

> P>>>Yes, nice excuse. It's easy to block some spam - you can not

have

> credibility without to be a real person.

>

> I've been using the zapper, I own three different ones, for several

> years now and am satisfied with the results I get from it...I also

have

> access to a Rife machine my friend ones but I've only used it twice.

...it

> did stop my heartburn twenty minutes after treatment. This was the

week

> before last.

> P>>>

> At least some data:

> - where you live

> - how old you are

> - what health problems you have

> - which of this problems improved with zapper od other dr. Clarck

> treatments?

> - which zappers you have and whic one is the best for you

> Whe can continue this talk in praivate mail if you want.

>

> I feel you also need to understand that these are experimental

devices.

> I seems that the only man that truly understood the principle has

apssed

> away, Royal Rife....., Beck and others are all following in his

> footsteps....but the government squashed him and suppressed his

work, so

> we are left trying to re-discover what he discovered, and we've only

> been working on it since the mid-eighties I believe....

> P>>> It can me, taht Rife was really so good, but there still miss

real data

> to prove this. How there is no person name around, which was

presumably

> cured by Rife?

>

> I'd like to know what you mean by no real evidence that Rife cured

> cancer in this matter. The reports are well documented, although the

> specifics of the case were burnt in the fire.....As I recall, UCLA

> confirmed every case. It's been a while so I might have the wrong

> university.

> Pavel:I mean that now, i can not read any report where would be

evident

> that Rife cured specific people and that this would be scientificly

proved.

>

> > pavel

>

> BTW Pavel, where do you live? Either you are awake very early in the

> morning or it is beginning to get late where you are!...: )

> I'm actually enjoying your conversation...: )

> P>>> I am from Erope. It is 12.30 here ...

> I'm happy to talk to you too.

>

> Sorry about the harshness....read Dr. Benson please! ..: )

> P>>> No problem. I read a lot about placebo and the theries are,

that 10-20%

> of all cures are because of the placebo - to believe. I am

interested in

> religion and spiritual things too (i practice ZEN).

>

> What healing modalities do you use now? And how did you first here

of

> these machines?

> P>>> I read a lot. I am trying to find the cure for asthma (6 years

old

> child). and other diseases for people i know.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

--

I apologize that are posts are useless to you and we will try to bring

up the level of our documentation for you.

Have you taken your concerns and criticisms to the

and electroherbalism forums?

They are more interested in documenting their progress as well as the

device circuits.

You'll leave in a second. Come on Pavel. Hold the phone tuff guy.

No one asked u to leave nor wants u to leave. Not only are u good

company, your strong thirst for the truth will payoff for everyone who

has the pleasure of knowing u. said you want to help many others.

Asthma. 6 years old. Yeah, I went to a few hospitals myself. By 13

or 14 years of age. History. I was and became a strong runner to

boot. You've obviously done your homework, you've read the books, and

you understand placebo. your kid also believes DAD's know everything.

" Son, have confidence that you will beat this condition and you will

grow out of it soon...we will grow out of it soon...together. " I've

read and have written a few papers in the past with repsect to asthma,

and asthma and massage. Kids consistently grow out of it..especially

when they undertsand and practice proper breathing techniques.

Especially when they are not traumatized by their parents (like mine..

...but not an uncommon scenario).

- In Dr , Pavel ©kerlj <pavel.skerlj@k...> wrote:

> I am a tehnical educated person. When i am buying equipment i judge

it with

> my logic, still, when i talk about religion, i try to put my logic

out of

> this.

> If this forum is for " fanatics " , I am out in a second. I am open

minded - i

> ready to learn new things, but there are just too many people around

just

> trying to make some money.

> It is irresponsible to sold equipment for hich you have no prove

that really

> work.

> I understand money logic very well (i work in finance) and this is

true. But

> is true also simple mathematics - 1000x13.000 USD (QXCi just for

example,

> there are even more expensive machines) price is 13 million dollars

- not

> bad. And they claim 5000 machines were sold. 65 million USD is a lot

of

> money.

> Again, I am not telling the machine is not good - i just want to

know a lot

> more, before spending ma money.

> The_Comeback_KID, i read some posts here in forum, but majority of

them are

> almost useless. Very little evidence.

>

> pavel

>

> Re: zapper, synchrometer, Rife machine, QXCI and

so on

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Khepri.....BRAVO BRAVO BRAVO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>

> Not only have you saved me a lot of time in responding to this

> original poster, but you have done so with eloquence and humble

> restraint. I always look forward to your posts. Where do I send

the

> check?

>

> Pavel.....NOT IN MY HOUSE, CHEIF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>

> At curezone you were asked by a very knowledgeable member in one of

> the forums if you " were familiar with medical politics? " This was

in

> response to your demands for scientific evidence for proof (spelled

> proof)that the clark zapper works. You went on to say that you are

> having trouble believing her claims because if they were true, then

> " the world would change. " Pavel you never responded to that

question.

> So y would I be smug enough ( my apologies) to bring up another post

> on another health board. Simple. It is relevant. You have come

into

> this forum like shot out of a canon just as you did another forum.

> Secondly, the very same inquisition demands you made on those

members,

> you now make here as well.

>

> Pavel-

>

> Have you read through any of the 9000 previous posts on this board

or

> have you just studied the equipment u mentioned? This is a fair and

> honest question.

>

> I have also studied to a lesser or greater extent many of the

devices

> you have mentioned, and read many many previous posts. Now listen

up

> from someone who is in the same position that you are in. Yep, I

too

> read several of clarks/becks books. I too have joined forums to

learn

> more.....

>

> But here is maybe where we differ. I have read through many many of

> the previous posts.....

> .. on many of these forums on.....

> many of the very pieces of equipment you yourself are researching as

> well. But I never come off cocky asking for proof and only offering

> strong skepticism in exchange. At least not in my first few posts..

..

> not until I have read through many previous posts looking for all

the

> proof and ancedotes are I have found are usually archived there.

You

> can search by topic within these forums as well.

>

> Morale of the story?

> I read the books first as u have.

> I do plenty of reasearch by searching the internet on these devices

> next.

> I join the necessary forums and read previous posts.

> I sit on my hands and shut my mouth (no typing my thoughts) until I

> think I know what I am saying. I have been on this forum for

awhile,

> yet have only posted a couple times. Yep, I know that you are not

me

> and do things your own way.

>

> Have you joined any of these forums Pavel? Maybe they will help u

> find the proof u require. U may want to also look into the Albert

> Einstein college discovery in 1990 that Beck often makes note of.

>

> Search these at http://

>

> 1. - plenty of anecdotes from these home

> researchers

>

> 2.

>

> 3.beck-n-stuff

>

> 4.therapies

>

> 5. electroherbalism

>

> 6. qxci-english

>

> 7.rife

>

> 8.mr tracys corner

>

> 9. colloidalsilver2

>

> 10.silverdatawebsite

>

> There are way more....just search.

>

> Pavel. You want proof. What kind of studies? And what kind of

> pathogens? Are we talkin only the big stuff like cancer, hiv,

> hepatitis c....or also warts, worms, kidney stones, etc????????????

>

> Pavel, when I first read your posts, I had no doubt you don't live

in

> the usa. U need to know move your research over to understanding

the

> political/economical game of the american healthcare cartel circus

> that is the staus quo here. Allopathic medicine versus alternative

> medicine. If you get a firm grasp of this, your questions will be

> self evident.

>

> Everything khepri said is on the money! Royal Rife. Do you

> know his story and the pressure he faced.

>

> . The same question. Difference is, she fights is everyday...

> today! U see not much has changed since the 30's and 40's. " y,

> penicilin for everybody. What u found a cheaper cure...that truly

is

> a cure? Time to die! "

>

> You are comparing way way too many pieces of therapeutic equipment

in

> your previous statement. I am sure the manufacturers of their

> respective devices deserve your thorough research before posting

> questions that almost read as accusations. The forum name is here

is

> Dr and another great one is DrEnthusiasts. U need to

> understand that although skepticism is somewhat acceptable, WE HERE

> ARE A GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT ARE IN MANY WAYS ENTHUSIASTIC... AND EVEN

> FOR SOME FANATICAL.....I THINK I CAN SPEAK FOR AT LEAST A FEW PEOPLE

> HERE (may I) THAT WE ARE WAY WAY WAY WAY BEYOND DOUBTING HULDA

CLARK.

> Let me take it a step further, WE ARE GOING TO DEFEND HER GOOD NAME.

> She deserves nothing less.

>

> I think what bothers me is that for someone almost demanding proof

in

> the form of statistical research (that's you)....you strike me as

> someone who has not completely done enough of your OWN research.

Yet,

> you bring *heavy* doubt to a forum of undoubters. Do you understand

> that there are new people that sign on to this forum everyday

thinking

> they will be able to enthusiastically talk to others how to

implement

> clark's research/protocols/thoughts...yet they come to find many

that

> are infecting the forum with heavy doubt and skepticism.

>

> I do not intend to sound like your father, but it's worth repeating-

> people come here to talk passionatly about Hulda and the

impact

> she has had on their lives. These are not forums spread and spend

> time towards clark skepticism. We have matriculated beyond that.

Yes

> that sounds smug....please believe me I mean that very nicely Pavel.

>

> All that said, I am confident you'll be schooling most of us a year

> from now Pavel judging from your level of tenacity and thirst for

the

> truth. That my friend, is very admirable! Good luck in your quest

> for the truth and God's speed.

>

>

> >

> > ----- Original Message -----

> >

> > > It is not a very good practice to try things you don't know what

> is

> > good for

> > > (you can be dead veryy soon from this logic - trying a poisonous

> herb

> > for

> > > exmple).

> >

> > There is too much anectoal evidence around to be worried about

> safety

> > for this therapy...

> >

> > > It can be that in the USA is difficult to claim healing somebody

> with

> > > alternative medicine, but it is not such a big problem in most

of

> the

> > world

> > > (yes, in the USA you have much too many lawyers).

> >

> > I agree!..

> >

> > > Still - if someone claim that he can heal everything with a

> smiple

> > device

> > > like zapper - it is reasonable to demand proves.

> >

> > Which is what she is doing in Mexico I believe...Anyway, the

therapy

> > does not involve just the zapper..I thought you said you read the

> book?

> >

> >

> > >I am sure, that no

> > > organization could stop such a revolutionary method,

> >

> > Now *that* is funny!! What interest would the pharmaceutical

> industry

> > have in such a device?

> >

> > >which can cure almost

> > > everything. There is no such a strong " big brother " which could

> stop

> > > something like this.

> >

> > I wish that we're true. Unfortunately we have to considered the

> negative

> > aspects of capitalism in this case, and in such consideration

there

> is

> > indeed such a force as to stop something like this. In the US

alone

> we

> > are talking about billions of dollars in commerce, threatened by

> this

> > type of healing. Why do you think she printed the schematic in her

> book?

> > That they cannot stop, at least not here in the US.

> >

> > > If you cure let's say 100 cancer patients i am sure

> > > everybody of them will go to the court to testimony for you and

> defend

> > you.

> >

> > As has happened. It did not stop them from harassing Hoxey , Rife

or

> > ....you can bankrupt them by filing frivolous lawsuit after

> > frivolous lawsuit until they are broke.....

> >

> > >

> > > Yes i am free not to believe, but i would like to believe.

> >

> > IMO, belief *is* the key factor.

> >

> > http://www.boston.com/globe/magazine/11-16/interview/

> >

> > Without it you decrease your success rate siginificantly. One

reason

> I'm

> > usually quick to defend the modality Dr. outlines...attempt

to

> > stop the seed of doubt from creeping into the mind.

> >

> >

> > > Zapper is 100

> > > USD,

> >

> > Yes, some are....it can be built for actually around 5.65$US.....

in

> > parts. Of course it will look nothing like the ones advertised on

> the

> > Internet....but if you are dying, I don't think you'llcare what it

> looks

> > like as long as it works....

> >

> > ..bit QXCI is 13.000 USD, SCIO is 18.000 USD, F-Scan2 is 4000 USD,

> Rife

> > > machine are from 1000 to 10.000 USD and so one.

> >

> > Those are very different and much more complex machines and of

> course

> > demand a higher price....one cannot buy Volkswagen parts to build

a

> > Mercedes.....

> >

> >

> > >It is VERY expensive way to

> > > learn by trying, while the sellers of this machines are reach

even

> if

> > the

> > > machines don't work as they claim.

> > >

> >

> > That's why most people doing, especially Rife research will often

> apply

> > the machine for little to no charge....

> >

> >

> > > University of Washington - is this the plave where scientific

> studies

> > were

> > > done? About zapper? Where was published this article? It is

> > accessible?

> >

> > I believe it was....although it was not a full blown study...it

did

> > confirm that the application of frequency can be effective, but

> would

> > not go any further.....probably due to risking losing funding....

> >

> > http://www..net/news/lairesearch.htm

> >

> > Anyway, what this shows is that the research is indeed being

> attempt,

> > but we are fighting an uphill battle....there are mant that would

> rather

> > this *not* succeed for reasons of money.....

> >

> > This man took great risk, IMO, publishing such a thing, as others

> have

> > lost their jobs even suggesting such a thing!

> >

> > > You are offensive and insulting claiming, that i won't believe

> even if

> > I saw

> > > the real data.

> >

> > Sorry, but that is the impression you are giving. And for reasons

> > outlined by Dr. Benson, I feel that it is necessary.

> >

> > >I will and many people will.

> >

> > Well, I hope so...: ) Keep in mind this forum has been here a long

> time,

> > and every so often someone comes into the group simply to spread

> doubt

> > and criticize with no intention of believing, just to discredit.

> >

> > >For example - i believe that

> > > bioresonace works (BICOM 2000 machine, available via www.

regumed.

> de),

> > > because i read some real data and now i already know some people

> which

> > was

> > > cured with this machine. But i don't know anybody cured with

this

> > other

> > > machines!

> >

> > Hmmm, that device seem to operate on a different principle than

the

> > or Rife devices....

> >

> > s Synchrometer is used in a similar manner for detection, the

> > standard zapper however may be considered to be " broad spectrum " ..

...

> some

> > of the newer maodels try to get into specific frequencies, which

is

> > where this is all naturally headed, but I don't believe we know

> enough

> > yet....

> >

> > But you understand the principles involved then? Is that not

enough

> for

> > you to evaluate , Rife, Beck and others?

> >

> > BTW, it was recenrly reported where West Nile Virus was erased in

> one 90

> > minutes treatment with a Rife machine....

> >

> > http://www.royalrife.com/board/ and click on " Recovery Stories " .

> >

> > Yes, it's anecdotal, but that is good enough for me.

> >

> >

> > > I am real - i expect some proves, when anybody make big claims.

Is

> > this

> > > wrong?

> >

> > I don't think so....Ask your self this. Why would a doctor of

> cellular

> > physiology put their reputation on the line with such outrageous

> claims?

> > Money? Dr. is not what I would " rich " by the standards used

> here,

> > she even has to raise money to defend herself in the court...

> >

> > Big business has no interest in seeing this kind of healing have

> > success, the industry is too large and too many economies around

the

> > world would collapse or at the very least suffer as a result.....

> IMO. I

> > say let it happen. My government apparently thinks differently.

> >

> > > To start with - which is your real name, what experience do you

> have

> > with

> > > this machines, ...?

> >

> > I don't usually use my real name in forums like this for spamming

> > reasons......

> >

> > I've been using the zapper, I own three different ones, for

several

> > years now and am satisfied with the results I get from it...I also

> have

> > access to a Rife machine my friend ones but I've only used it

twice.

> ..it

> > did stop my heartburn twenty minutes after treatment. This was the

> week

> > before last.

> >

> > I feel you also need to understand that these are experimental

> devices.

> > I seems that the only man that truly understood the principle has

> apssed

> > away, Royal Rife....., Beck and others are all following in

his

> > footsteps....but the government squashed him and suppressed his

> work, so

> > we are left trying to re-discover what he discovered, and we've

only

> > been working on it since the mid-eighties I believe....

> >

> > I'd like to know what you mean by no real evidence that Rife cured

> > cancer in this matter. The reports are well documented, although

the

> > specifics of the case were burnt in the fire.....As I recall, UCLA

> > confirmed every case. It's been a while so I might have the wrong

> > university.

> >

> >

> > > pavel

> >

> > BTW Pavel, where do you live? Either you are awake very early in

the

> > morning or it is beginning to get late where you are!...: )

> >

> > I'm actually enjoying your conversation...: )

> >

> > Sorry about the harshness....read Dr. Benson please! ..: )

> >

> > What healing modalities do you use now? And how did you first here

> of

> > these machines?

> >

> > Khepri

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

dr 's books have a lot of case histories at the back see

www.nielswillems.org or the new Aids book for the latest info.

Liz

[Guest guest]

You've been conditioned by the western medical mindset... or so it

seems to me. These machines have been tested in Europe, and are

licensed there as regular medical equipment, utilized in hospitals and

prescribed by doctors. It doesn't fit with our doctors' blinded view of

medicine and the world, and interfers with the profits of big drug

industry, so getting funds to do testing here is next to impossible.

Unless you're rich to begin with. all Dr. 's money goes into

paying legal bills - the suits don't win, but all kinds of organizations

keep tryign to prove her as a quack, which they are unable to do because

she proves her philosophy works, shows how it works, in court, time and

time again. But still there are the legal bills. They have to put

the disclaimers to not be shut down for false advertising, or

prescribing unproven medical treatment. They can't prove it till they

can get together the bucks for testing. Bucking the AMA and FDA is a

very very difficult thing to do. Joy

Pavel S(kerlj wrote:

> Hi everybody,

>

> I read dr. " Cure for all diseases " . Sounds to good to be true.

[Guest guest]

RE: zapper, synchrometer, Rife machine, QXCI and so

on

P>>> Yes, I did. There are others things, but the basic is to zap or

use

> herbal tincture to kill all parasites. There is no much logic in this.

> Parasites are part of the system and they live everywhere. They are

not all

> bad, some of them we need to be healthy. Many animals eat decomposing

bodies

> and they are still healthy? I don't know, but this really sound a

little

> silly.

Actually it is a myth that those animals are healthy. They are usually

infested with parasites and die at an early age. Not all, but most. Yes

there are simbiotic relationships with certain bacteria, but one uaually

does not find a " healthy " person doing this regime just for fun. It is

mostly people who are having a problem, indicating that " parasites " are

out of control, in which case it is better to " clean house " . The

beneficial bacteria would, ideally, quickly re-establish themselves

before " bad " bacteria gained a foothold. The body's own immune system,

no longer overwhelmed, ideally, would maintain that state. Of course we

no longer live in paradise so..........

> >I am sure, that no

> > organization could stop such a revolutionary method,

>

> Now *that* is funny!! What interest would the pharmaceutical industry

> have in such a device?

> P>>> Not pharmaceutical, them certainly NOT. But medical yes - not all

> doctors are part of this game. Many yes, but not all. Still, there are

many

> naturopats, homeopaths,... which will certrainly be happy with such a

easy

> way to cure.

Yes, unfortunately they are not the ones in control...; )

> >which can cure almost

> > everything. There is no such a strong " big brother " which could stop

> > something like this.

>

> I wish that we're true. Unfortunately we have to considered the

negative

> aspects of capitalism in this case, and in such consideration there is

> indeed such a force as to stop something like this. In the US alone we

> are talking about billions of dollars in commerce, threatened by this

> type of healing. Why do you think she printed the schematic in her

book?

> That they cannot stop, at least not here in the US.

> P>>> I work in finance 12 years so i understand very well the " money

logic " .

> Pharmaceutical bussines is the second most

important/strong/powerfull/rich,

> second only to weapon industry. Stiil, there are still enough people

which

> have morale, ethics and honesty.

Enough that they cannot wipe it out completely...: )

> > If you cure let's say 100 cancer patients i am sure

> > everybody of them will go to the court to testimony for you and

defend

> you.

>

> As has happened. It did not stop them from harassing Hoxey , Rife or

> ....you can bankrupt them by filing frivolous lawsuit after

> frivolous lawsuit until they are broke.....

> P>>> I am collecting material about Hoxey, but i already read a book

about

> Rife. Interesting, but claims that Rife was so good at healing are

without

> neccesarry proves again.

You know then that they burned and/or confiscated all the evidence, yet

the testimonies that appear in the newspapers and our court records

remain.....I don't understand the criticism.....A " medical board " was

assembled and oversaw the entire treatment...that is not good

enough!?!?!

>There are only certain claims and hypotesis.

Of course, that's all that is left. This seems to be an entirely

unreasonable line of thinking!

You are aware that they (his ciritcs) saw his success themselves and

reported it as such.

You are aware that they confiscated his notes.

You are aware that they burned his lab with everything inside.

And now you complain that there is no evidence of his success!?!?!?!

I don't understand you.

>I see

> Hoxey had many clinics and this sound good. I still don't understand

whay

> this people don't go abroad? In UK there are 3 pure homeopathy

hospitals for

> example, but for one to work there he must be a medical doctor and a

> homeopath too.

We will probably never know the answer to that question. Why does anyone

do anything that they do or not do?

Anyway, did set up outside the US in Mexico. She's seems more

intent on treatments than giving proof to an establishment that will not

accept it anyway. I admire that.

> >

> > Yes i am free not to believe, but i would like to believe.

> IMO, belief *is* the key factor.

> http://www.boston.com/globe/magazine/11-16/interview/

>

> P>>>: This is true for RELIGION not for the science!

> Nice article. If it's so much in beleiving thean there is no need for

> Zappers and Rife machines, they coulb be empty - placebo will cure

> everything.

You are missing the point entirely. The patient must believe that the

treatment will work and the result improve dramatically. Can you not see

that? Yes, faith does play into it because people are religious. Whether

science likes it or not. At least this one doctor is acknowledging that

fact and working with it.

From the website;

" Even though it's an imaginary event, it's a reality for your heart. Our

bodies, our organs, respond to messages from the brain as if the thought

is real experience. Your thoughts can be translated not just into

emotions but into physical changes in your body. "

You summation is taking it to the extreme to prove it doesn't work?

If you eat 5 lb.s of salt in one sitting do you think you'll live? No,

you'd die. Should no one eat salt now because of that?

Let's stick with the reality, believing dramatically increases the

chance of success, it cannot be denied.

> Without it you decrease your success rate siginificantly. One reason

I'm

> usually quick to defend the modality Dr. outlines...attempt to

> stop the seed of doubt from creeping into the mind.

>

>

> > Zapper is 100

> > USD,

>

> Yes, some are....it can be built for actually around 5.65$US.....in

> parts. Of course it will look nothing like the ones advertised on the

> Internet....but if you are dying, I don't think you'llcare what it

looks

> like as long as it works....

> P>>> If I were dying 100 USD is nothing...

Not all as as fortunate as you....psychologists call what you are doing

" projecting " ......

> ..bit QXCI is 13.000 USD, SCIO is 18.000 USD, F-Scan2 is 4000 USD,

Rife

> > machine are from 1000 to 10.000 USD and so one.

>

> Those are very different and much more complex machines and of course

> demand a higher price....one cannot buy Volkswagen parts to build a

> Mercedes.....

> P>>> They NEED PROVES that this machines are MERCEDES? Who say

(beside

> themself) that this machines are so good?

What do think all the researching is about!?!?!?! ARGH! You are

impossible!

Testing is expensive. Period. AND you are assuming you can even find

anyone willing to do the testing and risk being black-listed. The labs

are in business to make a profit! If 9/10ths of your contracts are with

the current medical establishment, and they tell you, " If you do this we

will take our business elsewhere. " , what do you think they are going to

do? If they go ahead anyway, the work will be discredited in the media,

it will not be hard to find people willing to crticize the results, and

the people in the lab will never be able to work in their field again.

> P>>> I am going to read it. Still, i would like more than anecdotal.

As i

> say, IT'S EXPENSIVE to evaluate RIFE, BECK , CLARK and others. I will

> probably buy a 100 USD zapper (this is not so much), Beck devices are

much

> more expensive, Rifes even more....

You admit that, but you cannot admit how expensive a " scientific study "

would be.

If you were a " scientist " and you contacted these people offering to do

an " evaluation " they would most likely donate the equipment to you, IMO.

A study was done of published articles in scientific journals. Of the

articles that complained that about the sunject not being " scientific " ,

it was found that 95% of the critical authors themselves did not know

what constituted good " science " . This was determined by other statement

made within the same article. You say you want proof, and yet 95% of

" scientists " do not know what constitues " proof " themselves!?!?

The truth really is.....we do not know how this does what it does....we

can only see the results...it's all anecdotal for now. But, as I said,

there are mountains of this anecdotal evidence for each of the devices

you list, that even a child could see that there *is* something to this,

and yet no one in the " establishment " will fund the necessary research

for " proof " ...or " proves " as you say.........are you not curious as to

why?

What does not help, it seems, is peoples confusion over what each device

is trying to accomplish and how it is trying to accomplish it.....what

we end up with are supporters of each device criticizing the other

devices along with the skeptics...it's a big mess! LOL!

The best documentation I've seen is for the Beck device. Why, I don't

know, but it may have something to do with them burning down Rife

lab!!!!!! LOL!

He published his theory for the world - A Proposed

Experimental/Theoretical, Noninvasive, Nonpharmaceutical, In Vivo Method

for Rapid Neutralization of HIV Virus in Human Subjects.....

Do you think anyone funded this? No, not one. Did they critcize it? Very

little, they simply ignored it hoping it would fade into history.....

The real truth is that they *have* been studying it in secret, hoping to

patent the technology either to bury it permanently, or to be the ones

that " cash-in " .....I suspect it is to bury it. They can make alot more

money with the other methods...and since thy would now hold the patent,

if you try to sell a device like theirs, they can drag you through the

courts until you are bankrupt....see how this works.....: )

What effect do you think it had on Hoxsey's reputation, being arrested

time after time after time? It doesn't matter if he beat the charge or

not....all people would remember is that he has been arrested 134 times

for practicing medicine without a license!

> > I am real - i expect some proves, when anybody make big claims. Is

> this

> > wrong?

>

> I don't think so....Ask your self this. Why would a doctor of cellular

> physiology put their reputation on the line with such outrageous

claims?

> Money? Dr. is not what I would " rich " by the standards used

here,

> she even has to raise money to defend herself in the court...

> P>>> I am not saying that is rich - I don't know her and i don't

want

> to offend anybody. She sold so many books, that she can be pretty rich

but

> maybe she spend that money for something really good, i relly don't

know

> this.

> Remember the Hipocrat principle - " first, do no harm! " . There are

still MD

> which belive in this. They are candidates to use such machine if they

work.

There are MDs who say they work, they just won't say it in public. I

personally know of one such doctor right now. He's on the staff of a

large hosptial here in Florida. For obvious reasons I cannot reveal his

name or where he works. That would be his decision, not mine.

> > To start with - which is your real name, what experience do you have

> with

> > this machines, ...?

> I don't usually use my real name in forums like this for spamming

> reasons......

> P>>>Yes, nice excuse. It's easy to block some spam - you can not have

> credibility without to be a real person.

There are others here who know my real name. I get enough porno in my

email now. I don't want more.

> I've been using the zapper, I own three different ones, for several

> years now and am satisfied with the results I get from it...I also

have

> access to a Rife machine my friend ones but I've only used it

twice...it

> did stop my heartburn twenty minutes after treatment. This was the

week

> before last.

> P>>>

> At least some data:

> - where you live

> - how old you are

> - what health problems you have

> - which of this problems improved with zapper od other dr. Clarck

> treatments?

> - which zappers you have and whic one is the best for you

> Whe can continue this talk in praivate mail if you want.

>

Sure. I'll do that later today.

> P>>> It can me, taht Rife was really so good, but there still miss

real data

> to prove this. How there is no person name around, which was

presumably

> cured by Rife?

Probably sealed by court order. I really don't know. Or they are all

dead now.

> Pavel:I mean that now, i can not read any report where would be

evident

> that Rife cured specific people and that this would be scientificly

proved.

The university confirmed it, that is not evident enough? The panel held

a dinner in his honor celebrating the success....!?!? This is not good

enough for you to accept that the proof was there!?!?!?!? You know why

it is gone, you say you read the story yourself!?!?! The raw data is

gone pretty much...all we have left are Cranes notes, which

unfortunately he made errors in transcribing from Rifes notes.....

> > pavel

>

> BTW Pavel, where do you live? Either you are awake very early in the

> morning or it is beginning to get late where you are!...: )

> I'm actually enjoying your conversation...: )

> P>>> I am from Erope. It is 12.30 here ...

> I'm happy to talk to you too.

>

> Sorry about the harshness....read Dr. Benson please! ..: )

> P>>> No problem. I read a lot about placebo and the theries are, that

10-20%

> of all cures are because of the placebo - to believe. I am interested

in

> religion and spiritual things too (i practice ZEN).

There is another theory around that placebo is a complete myth.....!??!

I'll have to see if I can locate it.....but it seems the skeptics try to

have it boths ways with placebo......

When people are cured with placebo and only the mind could account for

such a thing, they say placebois a myth...then a product, say a herb,

cures something they say it is no better than placebo!?!? LOL!!!

> What healing modalities do you use now? And how did you first here of

> these machines?

> P>>> I read a lot. I am trying to find the cure for asthma (6 years

old

> child). and other diseases for people i know.

A cure? That will be tough, but I believe it can be done!

Curious? The boy with asthma, does he have any digestive upsets?

Khepri

[Guest guest]

Pavel,

One of the reasons that it's not become widespread is that the

pharmaceutical companies are who fund most of the research. They would

not make any money off of this type of treatment. So no research with

their funds.

Also, this is not a magic cure. It's extremely hard work. It's takes a

tremendous lifestyle change that most people are not willing to make.

My dad has prostate cancer, and started the 21-day program. But it was

so intensive that he quit after 4 days. He said he would rather have

surgery. The majority of the people don't realize that doctors don't

know everything. They're great at treating broken bones and things

needing stitching and things like that. But chronic illness is not

their forte. Most are so busy they don't have time to read their

journals and definitely not look into new things. They're very

closed-minded I've found. What they have learned in medical school is

gospel. Don't tell them anything else. The austrailian doctor or

researcher (I forget which) who found the bacterium H. pylori caused

ulcers was ostracized and no one believed him. He had to infect himself

witht he bacteria and go through many years of ridicule before it was

accepted. Now it is a given. Also there is a doctor who has come up

with a new way to help thyroid problems with T3 therapy to help reset

your body and relieve many symptoms people have. He was brought up by

the medical board in 1990 because of this treatment. Instead of going

to trial and the board making a finding, he accepted a 6-month

suspension and used that time to do more research. Now 13 years later,

it's still not widespread, but there are 100's of doctors practicing his

protocol. I am currently on his protocol and it has made a huge impact

on my life. So just because something is not widely accepted doesn't

make it untrue.

Now you said something about animals eating decomposing carcasses and

being fine. If you read her book closely, you would see that we

normally have them too. But they stay where they belong. But for the

past 40 + years, we've been bombarding our bodies when chemicals,

pesticides, antibiotics, and such. That bombardment on our body has

allowed these parasites to escape to places they should not be. And so

with a combination of the chemicals and heavy metals lowering our immune

system and the parasites being able to go whereever they wish to, this

is what causes the cancer and the chronic illnesses that are so

prevalent today. The chemicals in the food and products are in small

amounts. But when every food you eat has something and all the cleaning

products, pesticides you use, and personal car products. Those small

amounts now become a big problem.

You have to read her reasearch and how she has gone about this and how

she didn't try to patent these things and know that she is an angel sent

from God. She is a saint as far as I am concerned. I have extensively

read her books and am a very smart person. I have no doubts about her

protocols.

Good luck in your research,

D.

>

>

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

From: " The_Comeback_Kid " <margie@...>

> Khepri.....BRAVO BRAVO BRAVO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>

> Not only have you saved me a lot of time in responding to this

> original poster, but you have done so with eloquence and humble

> restraint. I always look forward to your posts. Where do I send the

> check?

Not all the time....I did lose it once last year! (shame)....

Thanks though!

Khepri

[Guest guest]

RE: Re: zapper, synchrometer, Rife machine, QXCI and

so on

> Look, life is too short to do everything by yourself - i have to work

too.

>

> So, your view is that everybody which have some questions has first to

spend

> months of time to research everything?

> If someone sell something is up to him to explain what he sells.

>

> Pavel

..............................................

I think most of the vendors do a very good job of explaining their

products.....

But it sounds like you want guarantees. Even if someone managed to give

you " scientific proof " , that is still no guarantee it is going to

work.....

The MDs with all their " scientific proof " are still one of the leading

causes of death!!!

Want a double blind study? What if I gave to you along with a paper

explaining why double blind studies are not valid!? There is such a

paper out there. I'm not making that up.

Sooner or later you have to take a risk and " try " it....

Or better yet, go over to the Rife Forum here...

http://www.rifeforum.com you'll have to sign up...

Jim Bare, maker of the Rife/Bare device visits that board often as does

Aubrey Scoon...tell them you want " scientific proof " of their

devices...and get it straight from the horses mouth so to speak....you

should stop wasting your time debating believers and start asking the

researchers directly....that is if you are truly trying to save

time....: )

Khepri

[Guest guest]

Hi,Pavel.

I am new here to this group like you are.

I think you just ought to try or start something by yourself.

My case ,I just tried tapping 9V dry battery on my skin before

building up one of my own.

To deform s zapper,pardon me for that,it is 9V battery

tapping 30,000 times per second.

Is 9V battery safe or dangerous? My answer is I do not know.

It is safe because you do not feel too much electricity.

It is dangerous because your arm and joint will fall off if you try

to tap 30,000 times in a second...

I understand that your are cautious enough.

So try and see by yourself.Test it. Stop when you feel to do.

Like you are to checking the safety of a basin full of water,

it is beneficial if you wash your face,but at the same time it is

harmful if you do not putup your face ,you get drowned to death,you

know. We do not consult our lawyer W & P to wash our face.

So trust your sense. Try one by one. Start from the practice.

I said this because I had the situation like you somewhere in my past.

But the very things of these are that you have freedom of

choice,total control and self diffence power when it comes to own

health.

Hope this helps.

regards.

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

From: " Anne " <anne154@...>

> I have done a search of Journals (medical as well as alternative

medicine)

> and cannot find a study on this. Can you give the citation to the

Journal

> article?

http://www..net/news/lairesearch.htm

> >Here we sue if we spill coffee in our own lap! Get real.

>

> You might want to read the actual case; in fact, it did have merit,

and was

> not about spilling coffee into one's lap.

Sure, she won her case...and was promptly busted the very next year

trying it again at another place. That one never made it to court.

Khepri

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

> >There is too much anectoal evidence around to be worried about safety

> >for this therapy...

>

> There was anecdotal evidence that showed ephedra safe and effective,

until

> deaths were attributed to it. Anecdotal evidence, in itself, does not

prove

> safety.

IMO, ephedra is getting a bad rap...

I was speaking relatively, not in absolutes. Another example would be

the " scientifically proven safe " SSRI drugs....how many deaths there

hmmm? Boat loads more than ephedra I'm sure...

This is silly...you can take a stadium full of people, say 70,000 and

inject them with a shot of penicillin on the way out and ten people will

drop dead from them shot....it is still considered " safe " ......

Salt can kill you, yet you cannot live without....

You can drown in a teaspoon of water...should we label water... " unsafe " ?

Or would you say water is safe to consume....

*That's* what I mean when I say safe.

> > > Still - if someone claim that he can heal everything with a

smiple

> >device

> > > like zapper - it is reasonable to demand proves.

> >

> >Which is what she is doing in Mexico I believe...Anyway, the therapy

> >does not involve just the zapper..I thought you said you read the

book?

>

> But later you say, " Anyway, did set up outside the US in Mexico.

> She's seems more

> intent on treatments than giving proof to an establishment that will

not

> accept it anyway. I admire that. "

>

> Are there any published studies from her one can read?

Published where? There are others here that are more imtimate with her

current activities in Mexico than I am. I believe that whatever it is

she is doing, she is documenting it....will she publish it in a medical

journal, I'm sure she would, if she could find one that would print

it!....Why do you think she's had to pretty much self-publish her own

book? She say on her website that Century Press is the only company she

has an interest in...what exactly that mean I don't know.

> > > Yes i am free not to believe, but i would like to believe.

> >

> >IMO, belief *is* the key factor.

>

> Then who does one separate placebo effect from zapper effect. If

belief is

> the key factor, then actual effect of the zapper need not exist?

>

> >I believe it was....although it was not a full blown study...it did

> >confirm that the application of frequency can be effective, but would

> >not go any further.....probably due to risking losing funding....

>

> It claimed after 2 hours of exposure, the growth of leukemia cells in

> culture was inhibited. That says nothing about curing leukemia. The

> article to which you supplied the URL provides no citation to the full

> study. Do you have it?

Cure is a career or tenure ending word to use when discussing such

things...I wouldn't expect to see it used.

No, you'll have to write the university I imagine. As I said, the

summary is enough proof for me. You have to take into consideration the

fact that there is no human immune system present to " finish " the cells

off. And the experiment is missing the other half of the modality...the

cleanses. In addition, we all have cancer cells within us right

now...they are held in check. After they've " been inhibited " , I'd like

to see how these leuk cells survive in a sea of Killer-T's,

.....Fortunately, I don't have to see it as I'm already convinced....

> >This man took great risk, IMO, publishing such a thing, as others

have

> >lost their jobs even suggesting such a thing!

>

> Oh my..who lost his.her job for stating results of research?

Please. Pick any of the people we been mentioning in this thread for a

start.

> >.Ask your self this. Why would a doctor of cellular

> >physiology put their reputation on the line with such outrageous

claims?

> >Money? Dr. is not what I would " rich " by the standards used

here,

>

> Dr has a PhD in cellular physiology? That is impressive.

It was my understanding that is what her specialty was in...

As always you should be responsible for your own health and should

investigate it to your satisfaction.

Khepri

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

From: " Anne " <anne154@...>

> >You are missing the point entirely. The patient must believe that the

> >treatment will work and the result improve dramatically. Can you not

see

> >that?

>

> How does this differ from placebo?

Who cares? If the end result is healing, who cares? The inverse point is

that " scientifically proven " modalities can be inhibited or diminished,

or outright defeated just from instilled doubt......

You should probably email Dr. Benson and ask him what study he is

quoting and then go ask them....

I respect and trust Dr. Bensons work. I've done it to my satisfaction.

> > Yes, faith does play into it because people are religious. Whether

> >science likes it or not.

>

> Not all people are religious. Does the zapper only work with the

religious?

Don't be ridiculous. The person using the device has to have faith in

the device, modality, doctor, etc., to see improvd results....it is a

belief. Religious in nature or not....I may have sited the wrong

article.....either way, it shows the gist of Bensons work. A growing

number of doctors tend scoff at religious belief. Dr. Benson argues that

results improve when the doctor entertains the patients belief in God

rather than being argumentative. Stupid really. It used to be called

bed-side manners...Bensons point is there is belief involved in healing.

Whether it is religious in nature or not.....We should not do anything

to discourage that because the studies he seen apparently have show that

to do so is detrimental to treatment.

> >What do think all the researching is about!?!?!?! ARGH! You are

> >impossible!

> >

>

> It is about determing whether there is credence behind the assertion

that a

> medical device works, or doesn't.

Uh, yeah. Am I missing something here? How long have you been

" determining " ?

Khepri

> A.

[Guest guest]

Re: Re: zapper, synchrometer, Rife machine, QXCI and

so on

> At 02:00 PM 8/20/03 -0400, wrote:

>

>

> >Want a double blind study? What if I gave to you along with a paper

> >explaining why double blind studies are not valid!? There is such a

> >paper out there. I'm not making that up.

>

> There are a plethora of papers that claim man did not land on the

moon; a

> paper does not make it true, especially one paper. It is the accepted

standard.

Thanks for proving my point that even if the evidence was presented it

would not be accepted. IOW, it would never make it off the ground in the

first place. Odd you say the above, and then in the next breath want to

see published papers of s work?

> >Sooner or later you have to take a risk and " try " it....

>

> I'm confused. In an earlier post, you claim enough anecdotal evidence

as to

> its safety. Now one has to take a risk?

It is a risk for him apparently. Not for me. Nice try.

Khepri

[Guest guest]

Re: zapper, synchrometer, Rife machine, QXCI and so

on

> At 05:25 PM 8/20/03 -0400, wrote:

>

>

><http://www..net/news/lairesearch.htm>http://www..net/new

s/lairesearch.htm

>

> I have read this abstract. I was asking for the journal in which the

study

> appears such that I can read it.

You must have read it when I provided it to Pavel. I answered your

question in another post.

>

>

> >Sure, she won her case...and was promptly busted the very next year

> >trying it again at another place. That one never made it to court.

>

> http://www.lectlaw.com/files/cur78.htm

" Liebeck placed the cup between her knees and attempted to remove the

plastic lid from

the cup. As she removed the lid, the entire contents of the cup spilled

into her lap. "

That's all I need to know.

But wait... " Mcs produced documents showing more than 700

claims by people burned by its coffee between 1982 and 1992. "

10 years, 700 claims, 70 per year.....over 1 million restaurants

worldwide.....that's a pretty good average!

Khepri

[Guest guest]

>

> You are saying she sustained 3rd degree burns, skin grafts, and

another

> hospital stay to bring another case? Just where is the confirmatory

> evidence of this? Where was she " busted " ?

No, I'm saying she tried the same thing maybe twoyears later at a

Dunkin' Donuts.

Khepri

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

From: " Anne " <anne154@...>

> At 07:51 PM 8/20/03 -0400, wrote:

> > " Liebeck placed the cup between her knees and attempted to remove the

> >plastic lid from

> >the cup. As she removed the lid, the entire contents of the cup

spilled

> >into her lap. "

> >

> >That's all I need to know.

>

> Obviously you did not understand the gravamen of the case, by your

example.

> A bit closed-minded, eh? To educate you, here is the gravamen:

Oh I understood it perfectly. I was quite a humorous read..

> >But wait... " Mcs produced documents showing more than 700

> >claims by people burned by its coffee between 1982 and 1992. "

> >

> >10 years, 700 claims, 70 per year.....over 1 million restaurants

> >worldwide.....that's a pretty good average!

>

> Cherry picked fragments out of context yields disingenuous

conclusions.

Cherry picked!! LOL! Out of context!?!?!??! Stop you're killing me!!!!

LOL!

I simply added one conveniently forgotten detail, that Mcs has

over 1 million restaurants!!!

If anything, that is putting it in it's proper perspective, the context

hasn't changed at all!!!!

Khepri

[Guest guest]

Re: zapper, synchrometer, Rife machine, QXCI and so

on

> At 07:55 PM 8/20/03 -0400, wrote:

>

> > >

> > > You are saying she sustained 3rd degree burns, skin grafts, and

> >another

> > > hospital stay to bring another case? Just where is the

confirmatory

> > > evidence of this? Where was she " busted " ?

> >

> >No, I'm saying she tried the same thing maybe twoyears later at a

> >Dunkin' Donuts.

> >

>

> What same thing, and where was she busted. What is your source? Again,

the

> issue was not spelling the coffee, but the extraordinary high

temperatures

> of the coffee. The maybes you resort to when asked for information (I

*am*

> interested) bespeak an accusation without merit.

I happen to like my coffee still hot when I get it home. The real issue

is she caused her own injury...

The real issue is THIS IS NOT ON TOPIC FOR THIS LIST. The details of the

second case are all over the internet, it was very much publicized. You

should not have a hard time locating it....far from accusation, it is

fact.

Have fun!

Khepri

[Guest guest]

Contact the authors and ask them.

Leo

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>

>

><http://www..net/news/lairesearch.htm>http://www..net/n

ews/lairesearch.htm

>

> I have read this abstract. I was asking for the journal in which the

study

> appears such that I can read it.

>

>

> >Sure, she won her case...and was promptly busted the very next year

> >trying it again at another place. That one never made it to court.

>

> http://www.lectlaw.com/files/cur78.htm

>

>

http://library.lp.findlaw.com/articles/file/00521/000428/title/subject

/topic/injury%20%20tort%20law_products%20liability/filename/injurytort

law_3_29

>

> Two resources for the real story, not the media's disingenuous hype.

>

> You are saying she sustained 3rd degree burns, skin grafts, and

another

> hospital stay to bring another case? Just where is the confirmatory

> evidence of this? Where was she " busted " ?

>

> A

>

>

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

From: " Anne " <anne154@...>

> At 06:22 PM 8/20/03 -0400, wrote:

>

> >I was speaking relatively, not in absolutes.

>

> Not clear.

>

Not surprising.

> >Another example would be

> >the " scientifically proven safe " SSRI drugs....how many deaths there

> >hmmm? Boat loads more than ephedra I'm sure...

>

> I have no idea about boatloads. However, with each SSRI Rx is an

> information sheet noting all adverse effects, etc. This is not

provided

> with non-prescription potions.

And why would that be? Because they are not nearly as dangerous? Hearing

voices and shooting your best friend in the head...that's a hell of a

side effect!!!

> >This is silly...you can take a stadium full of people, say 70,000 and

> >inject them with a shot of penicillin on the way out and ten people

will

> >drop dead from them shot....it is still considered " safe " ......

>

> i doubt the percent who drop dead is as high as you note. However, is

safe

> for the majority. Those, like me,do not take it. There are

alternatives.

Without medical treatment on-site to save them...I don't doubt it at all

....either way it doesn't change THE POINT that some of the people would

die.

> >Salt can kill you, yet you cannot live without....

>

> The dose makes the poison.

Now you're catching on!!!

> >You can drown in a teaspoon of water...should we label

water... " unsafe " ?

> >Or would you say water is safe to consume....

>

> No, i wouldn't deem it unsafe at safe levels.

What is " safe " if a teaspoon can kill you? How are we to ingest this

" unsafe " water, 8 glasses per day some report, when a mere teaspoon can

kill us....

You seem to imply an improper

> use here. However, the dose makes the poison, per use.

That is exactly the point...: ) Improper use. And that is only one

possibility.

> >*That's* what I mean when I say safe.

>

> In the examples above, we know from studies what constitutes " safe " .

OMG! You're going to make me say the " V " word!

Vaccinations.........safe? Right...: )

Here's one for Leo......how much propylene glycol is " safe " in our milk?

>We don't about zappers, as there are no studies.

We've already covered that a couple of times....gotanything new, besides

pointing out the obvious?

>That is what Pavelwas asking.

Pavel already told me what he was asking.....

> >Published where?

>

> For starters, Alternative Health Journals.

>

> >.Why do you think she's had to pretty much self-publish her own

> >book?

>

> That is a concern. Are you saying that even Alternative Health

journals

> will not publish her results?

I have no idea, I'm not her publicist. I'm certainly not an editor of

any journal...I suggest you ask them why not......Why bother publishing

in magazines or journals when you publish the material in book form, a

few of those freely available on the Internet!?!? The journals can

certainly review her work if they choose...

If I know the people here in this forum, you may be getting a few links

shortly....: ) Anyway, there are indeed published studies on resonant

technologies...

>Maybe the studies do not reach

> acceptablestandards.

What studies? You just said there aren't any. " We don't about zappers,

as there are no studies. "

And again, we've covered that already....Your suppositions hint at

unfounded accusation.

Tell you what, why don't you email Dr. and ask her yourself?

Better yet, why don't you go ahead and call her clinic and ask her?

> >Cure is a career or tenure ending word to use when discussing such

> >things...I wouldn't expect to see it used.

>

> OK Remission then?

What's wrong with inhibition? Good enough for me.....

This is becoming circular......

> >No, you'll have to write the university I imagine. As I said, the

> >summary is enough proof for me.

>

> The facts are in the details.

Then get them. The summary is good enough for me to MOVE ON.....I don't

care about the details, I care about the results.....

> > You have to take into consideration the

> >fact that there is no human immune system present to " finish " the

cells

> >off.

>

> I see that no human tests have occurred.

Exactly my point. Yawn..........

> >....Fortunately, I don't have to see it as I'm already convinced....

>

> Based on?

Answered already...see above.....

> > > Dr has a PhD in cellular physiology? That is impressive.

> >

> >It was my understanding that is what her specialty was in...

> >

> >As always you should be responsible for your own health and should

> >investigate it to your satisfaction.

>

> As I am trying to do here. Hopefully this site allows investigation.

>

A.

Not the level of investigation you are demanding. That information

simply is not availalbe here....

You need to ask the journals why they haven't published, you need to ask

Dr. why she hasn't published...no one here can answer those

questions for you....although we have given the reasoms we think is

why...(medical conspiracy)....

You are begining to ask questions that have already been covered, I

suggest you dig through the archives....cause if you ask me again,

that's where I'll refer you.....

We have this same arguement with people like you every six month like

clockwork, over and over and over again....

You have been given the name, university, and study name of someone

doing the research.....go there, it is not here.

We don't question it.

Khepri

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

From: " Anne " <anne154@...>

> >Who cares? If the end result is healing, who cares?

>

> But often palcebo gives one the sense of healing when no such thing is

> occurring. Therein is the rub.

I believe Benson refers only to cases where healing has

occurred....there is no rub. Placebo doesn't apply to my original

comment that healing is greatly enhanced when belief is instilled in the

patient...belief that god had ordained the healing, belief in the

doctor, belief in the treatment, it makes no difference.....people heal

better. Period.

> > > > Yes, faith does play into it because people are religious.

Whether

> > > >science likes it or not.

> > >

> > > Not all people are religious. Does the zapper only work with the

> >religious?

> >

> >Don't be ridiculous. The person using the device has to have faith in

> >the device, modality, doctor, etc., to see improvd results....it is a

> >belief.

>

> ie, religion.

No, belief is enough...no doctrine or dogma required, just belief....

> > It used to be called

> >bed-side manners..

>

> You have segued from people are religious to bedside manners.

I did not raise the religion issue, Pavel did....I described the

doctor/patient relationship and observe that it is lacking, as has Dr.

Benson, which brings back to belief.

>I agree

> bedside manners are helpful to health recovery. This is religion.

No it is belief. Religion implies zeal or devotion...zeal or devotion is

not required. One simply needs to think it will work to enhance results

according to Dr. Benson.... the word religion does not apply.

> >Uh, yeah. Am I missing something here? How long have you been

> > " determining " ?

>

> Years.

>

And you still don't get it?

Khepri

> A.

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

From: " Anne " <anne154@...>

> >Thanks for proving my point that even if the evidence was presented

it

> >would not be accepted.

>

> It would be considered if it were published in a peer reviewed venue.

> Self-publishing avoids the critical thinking that leads to knowledge,

not

> belief.

Been there, covered that.....repeatedly.

> >It is a risk for him apparently. Not for me. Nice try.

>

> You still classified it as a risk. He did not make the statement.

Not unusual when one shows concern or doubt....

Do you have anything worthy of discussion or is this simply an exercise

in semantics?

I know what I think it is....

Khepri

[Guest guest]

<<<Oh my..who lost his.her job for stating results of research?>>>

Where have you been? Read the following books:

Politics In Healing

The Cancer Cure That Worked

The Cancer Industry

DMSO Nature's Healer

They all repeat a lot of the suppression of non-toxic cures that the

FDA, AMA, ad nauseum is busy doing. Ya gotta start believing this stuff

when you read it in more then a few places.

, part of one of the biggest suppressions in history in this

country, the suppression of Chiropractic care, WE WON, but we're still

fighting to keep it!!!!!!!!!!!

Follow the money, it's _always_ (one of the few times a superlative can

be used) about the money!