Re: Cure for diabetes

[Guest guest]

Type II (adult-onset) diabetes is much different from Type I

(juvenile-onset) diabetes. Type II is often helped with diet,

exercise, and most importantly weight loss. Type I is much

different, and to my knowledge NEVER been cured. I'd like to see

one good documented case from Dr. or anyone. What I mean of

good documentation is proof positive that a person HAD diabetes, and now

does NOT have diabetes.

One thing that has really made me disillusioned with Dr. (though I

agree with some things she says) is the titles of her books.

NOTHING is a panacea.

And for , I would recommend that you wait until the baby is born

to undertake a cleanse for the several reasons already cited. Find

the CAUSE of your hives, and eliminate it. Allergy panels and/or

elimination techniques should help; if not email me privately at

mailto:drgeorge@...

Dr.

At 06:10 AM 4/15/00 +0000, you wrote:

A naturopath told me he had cured three

persons with adult diabetes,

they had stayed symptom free for several months. Several relapsed due

to inattention to Hulda 's protocol.

Leo.

> In a message dated 4/14/00 10:09:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

> pjwylie@... writes:

>

> << Another win for the medical experts! The FDA keeps on

> winning for the sake of people loosing. Seems to me

that

> Nazi German Doctors used to conduct human medical

> experiments as well. The world needs to learn there

> is a cure for the diabetic and that is not through

> the process of ingesting destructive pharmacological

> sorcery.

> >>

> what does that mean? clue me in....where is a cure for the

diabetic...l

> havent seen it

[Guest guest]

Naturally Dr. is (hopefully) too busy to read what goes on in the

list for her enthusiast. But being of sound mind, I can speculate the

reason she titled her book's so confidently is because she

personally---and as the scientist she wants us all to become, has found

irrefutable evidence supporting her claims.

Would you, being in her exact position, title your books with something

less revealing of your conclusions based on your own tests? Would not

the question have then been ---if your books cure everything, then why

don't you just come out and say so? This approach, at a time when

Doctors have the audacity to routinely pronounce estimated time for

Death's arrival, typically after all the checks have been cashed, and

the next patient is 'reviewed'?

Sadly, you are right in saying outright: 'I doubt there is a cure for

all diseases'. We do not live in a world in which common sense is valued

more than common knowledge. Instead the two ideas are pitted against one

another. To the death and detriment of the unfortunate 'patient'.

So here we go again. Those familiar with Dr. 's protocols choosing

to express doubt simply because they haven't cured anybody

themselves---or know of anyone 'personally'.

I only hope, that if someone is cured of what doubters love to call

incurable disease, it was because they were not swayed by the strange

mix of support and discouragement now so freely sprinkled to this

dedicated Dr. list.

Marve

Type II (adult-onset) diabetes is much different from Type I

(juvenile-onset) diabetes. Type II is often helped with diet,

exercise, and most importantly weight loss. Type I is much

different, and to my knowledge NEVER been cured. I'd like to see

one good documented case from Dr. or anyone. What I mean of

good documentation is proof positive that a person HAD diabetes, and now

does NOT have diabetes.

One thing that has really made me disillusioned with Dr. (though I

agree with some things she says) is the titles of her books.

NOTHING is a panacea.

And for , I would recommend that you wait until the baby is born

to undertake a cleanse for the several reasons already cited. Find

the CAUSE of your hives, and eliminate it. Allergy panels and/or

elimination techniques should help; if not email me privately at

mailto:drgeorge@...

Dr.

At 06:10 AM 4/15/00 +0000, you wrote:

A naturopath told me he had cured three

persons with adult diabetes,

they had stayed symptom free for several months. Several relapsed due

to inattention to Hulda 's protocol.

Leo.

> In a message dated 4/14/00 10:09:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

> pjwylie@... writes:

>

> << Another win for the medical experts! The FDA keeps on

> winning for the sake of people loosing. Seems to me

that

> Nazi German Doctors used to conduct human medical

> experiments as well. The world needs to learn there

> is a cure for the diabetic and that is not through

> the process of ingesting destructive pharmacological

> sorcery.

> >>

> what does that mean? clue me in....where is a cure for the

diabetic...l

> havent seen it

[Guest guest]

At 06:07 PM 4/17/00 -0700, you wrote:

Naturally Dr. is (hopefully) too

busy to read what goes on in the

list for her enthusiast. But being of sound mind, I can speculate

the

reason she titled her book's so confidently is because she

personally---and as the scientist she wants us all to become, has

found

irrefutable evidence supporting her claims.

Irrefutable evidence is not case studies; this is what Dr. provides

as evidence in her books.

Would you, being in her exact position,

title your books with something

less revealing of your conclusions based on your own

tests?

I would not be in her exact position. I would not go public with my

research until I had enough evidence to defend it. Then, I would

title it something more appropriate, like " A Cause and Treatment for

Some Types of Cancer. "

The " A " and " Some " parts indicate that there are

other known causes. One well-known and documented cause is exposure

to mutagenic/teratogenic substances. These substances can cause

cancer in mice within days of exposure, and are used routinely to test

cancer treatments. If Dr. was certain about her theory that

parasites are the ONLY cause of cancer, then why doesn't she use her

syncrometer to make certain she does not have any parasites, and then

swallow these teratogenic substances in appropriate dosages, and then

wait to see if she does come down with cancer. If she did

this experiment successfully (and without getting cancer), she would

certainly get some positive attention.

The scientist that proved that H. pylori is a cause of gastric ulcers did

a similar experiment. He was scoped for ulcers, and found to be

ulcer-free. Then he swallowed a sample of H. pylori, and

waited. Then he was scoped again, and found to have ulcers.

Then he took the treatment he was advocating in the researched dosage,

and then he was scoped and found to be ulcer-free. Bacteria as a

cause of ulcers was known back in the 1930's, but was not researched and

accepted until the early 90's.

Royal Lee, a nutritionist and founder of Standard Process Labs stated in

__**1933**__ the following: " Stomach ulcers are probably the

best instance of a bacterial invasion primarily due to lowered resistance

resulting from vitamin deficiency. That is why, even though the

ulcers are healed by careful diet, they tend to recur time after

time. " Dr. Royal Lee, Vitamins News, Sept. 18, 1933

Now, Royal Lee was well aware that a cause of stomach ulcers was bacteria

(secondary to lowered resistance). His treatment was nutritional

therapy to correct the lowered resistance (that's my treatment,

too). But the research was not done in allopathic medicine until

the 90's (BTW, they treat H. pylori with antibiotics which I think lowers

resistance further, and is counter-productive to overall health status).

In this example, the gold standard for diagnosing ulcers is to scope the

stomach (seeing is believing). Dr. uses the syncrometer for

diagnosing cancer, but the gold standard for diagnosing cancer in

allopathic medicine is a biopsy. If Dr. would like her

syncrometer to be a cheaper and more reliable gold standard, she will

have to prove it by doing biopsies on the tissue that she believes is

cancerous. Actually, this would be an excellent way for her

research to go. Proving with the standards of allopathic methods

that the syncrometer can diagnose cancer as reliably as a biopsy would be

a phenomenal improvement in oncology. Dr. would be an instant

celebrity and billionaire. Think about how many people could avoid

the risk and uncertainty of biopsy if cancer could be diagnosed with the

syncrometer, and this was accepted by the medical community.

Sadly, you are right in saying outright:

'I doubt there is a cure for

all diseases'. We do not live in a world in which common sense is

valued

more than common knowledge. Instead the two ideas are pitted against

one

another. To the death and detriment of the unfortunate 'patient'.

Tell me what " common sense " has to do with a

one-cure-for-all-people-and-conditions mentality.

So here we go again. Those familiar with

Dr. 's protocols choosing

to express doubt simply because they haven't cured anybody

themselves---or know of anyone 'personally'.

I have been helped with Dr. 's liver cleanse (which she doesn't

take credit for because it did not originate from her). I saw

dozens of intestinal flukes that were probably the cause of my leaky

gut. I followed up with 2 additional liver cleanses which resulted

in additional stones, but no additional flukes (that I could see).

I BELIEVE that my leaky gut was allowing antigenic foods to pass the

intestinal lining and start an allergic reaction (allergy) that caused

sinus and cold-like symptoms. My main triggers were dairy and

(somewhat less) wheat. After the cleanses, I enjoy dairy very

occasionally with much less symptoms(a little bit of congestion in the

throat, and also in my eyes (my contacts bug me more than usual)).

I can consume wheat normally and with no known problems since the

cleanse. Given this, I still don't recommend to every patient in my

office that suffer with sinus problems to go on a Dr. liver

cleanse. Other causes for leaky gut are yeast infections, and

dysbiosis in general. Other causes for sinus problems are too many

to even start listing. By the way, I did the parasite cleanse and

kidney cleanse first with no discernible positive effects.

My dad was diagnosed with prostate cancer over 2 years ago. He made

3 trips to see Dr. over a 15 month period. She has definitely

helped them (both my parents which have followed her protocols

religiously) live a healthier life. But they have invested

countless hours in following her protocols, and have only a few of their

original teeth and $20K less in savings now. I can testify that

they have followed everything she has said to a near-perfect level (no

matter how many times it would change). However, there seems to be

no improvement in his prostate cancer or in his benign hand tremor.

Dr. finally referred him for chelation therapy, which he is still

doing now. The PSA still suggests he has cancer even though Dr.

has often pronounced him cancer-free.

I only hope, that if someone is cured of what

doubters love to call

incurable disease, it was because they were not swayed by the

strange

mix of support and discouragement now so freely sprinkled to this

dedicated Dr. list.

I do not mean to discourage anyone that wants to do Dr. 's

protocols. I have confidence that they are often helpful, and

rarely counter-productive. I have trouble with those that give

people false hope of a cure for Type I diabetes because, to my knowledge,

no one has ever been cured using ANY method or protocol other than

transplantation of the pancreas (used very rarely in the most severe of

cases). My nephew has Type I diabetes, and has tried the Dr.

protocols. He uses the Lugol's iodine in place of alcohol for

cleaning his injection site, and the bruising has

disappeared. His insulin needs were decreased when he was on the

full Dr. protocols most likely due to the improvement in diet, but

never was he able to go without his insulin. He is diabetic, and

the islet cells of his pancreas are dead. This is irreversible

damage, and he will remain diabetic for his entire life. This does

not mean that he can not control his blood sugar levels with proper diet,

but he will always be dependent on exogenous insulin because his body is

simply incapable of producing insulin.

If anyone has evidence of a Type I diabetic (IDDM, juvenile-onset) that

was properly diagnosed (lab work, etc) and put on insulin, and now is

completely off all insulin, and has laboratory evidence that he/she is

producing endogenous insulin (except as a result of a pancreas

transplant), I would like to meet this person. Do not confuse Type

I diabetes with Type II diabetes. They are completely

different.

Dr. Sooley

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(217) 431-3290 voice

G.F. Sooley,

DC

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Sooley Chiropractic Health Center

11 E. Fairchild St. http://www.sooleychiro.com

Danville, IL 61832-3140 mailto:drgeorge@...

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[Guest guest]

Old Dr. , the herbalist from San Francisco, used to

say there were NO incurable diseases. But he died from bronchial

pneumonia, as I recall. I think his son took over the business.

A friend's granddaughter has type 1 diabetes and she is only 3 years

old. It runs in that family, but then, so does the average American

diet. Anybody know how other countries rate for the incidence of

diabetes I and II? Bernice in Oregon

[Guest guest]

Gosh, Leo, I don't think I ever found out how old he was. This must

have been at least 20 years ago. I was at his shop in downtown S.F. a

couple times, long before that -- maybe in the 50s. I think they

shipped all over the world. Nature's Way in Utah put out some

formulas reading Approved by Dr. R. , Herbalist.

Maybe one of the other list members can answer your question. I have

the feeling he might have been only in his 60s, come to think about

it, but at the time I thought he was old, yet not so old that he

should have died from bronchial pneumonia. However, I guess that can

get life threatening quite quickly. Sorry I don't have any details.

Bernice in Oregon

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Dr. ! And I'm not a bit surprised at those research

results. Probably 30-35 years ago the Nat'l. Health Federation

published an article concerning homogenized milk and somebody's study

that indicated when milk is put under pressure like that, it reacts

differently in our bodies. A comparision was made with countries like

Finland and Japan, who at that time did not use homogenized milk and

their heart attack rates were only 1 - 2 percent. Yet the Finnish

people used lots of butter and cream in their diets, those products

being full of cholesterol, of course. The problem in Japan was a

high rate of stomach ulcers and like ailments, but not heart attacks.

Thanks again for taking time to answer my diabetes question,

regarding Type II, anyway. Bernice in Oregon

[Guest guest]

At what age did " Old Dr. " go to his reward?

Leo.

> Old Dr. , the herbalist from San Francisco, used

to

> say there were NO incurable diseases. But he died from bronchial

> pneumonia, as I recall. I think his son took over the business.

>

> A friend's granddaughter has type 1 diabetes and she is only 3

years

> old. It runs in that family, but then, so does the average

American

> diet. Anybody know how other countries rate for the incidence of

> diabetes I and II? Bernice in Oregon

[Guest guest]

At 11:30 PM 4/18/00 +0000, you wrote:

Old Dr. , the herbalist

from San Francisco, used to

say there were NO incurable diseases. But he died from bronchial

pneumonia, as I recall. I think his son took over the

business.

A friend's granddaughter has type 1 diabetes and she is only 3 years

old. It runs in that family, but then, so does the average American

diet. Anybody know how other countries rate for the incidence of

diabetes I and II? Bernice in Oregon

I copied the following from a computer dietary analysis I use in the

office. One thing to keep in mind: Diabetes mentioned here is

Type II.

Dr. Sooley

Consider

Eskimos in Northern Canada, who, prior to the 1940s, had no exposure to

Western civilization. Prior to 1940, these people were much healthier

than they were after eating the type of diet we take for granted. Some

women developed breast cancer, which was unheard of before 1940.

Teenagers began to have acne, another condition that didn't exist before

they began eating a more " civilized " diet. Diabetes, heart

disease, high blood pressure, obesity and gross obesity all became more

common.

Pacific

Islanders have been studied. People living on Pukapuka eat a traditional

diet. Their diet averages about 1800 calories per day, which includes

about 70 grams of fat and 9 grams of sugar. People living on Rarotonga

eat a combination of Western and traditional diet. Their diet averages

about 2100 calories per day, which includes abut 63 grams of fat and 35

grams of sugar. The Maori of New Zealand eat a completely modern diet.

They average 2500 calories with 125 grams of fat per day and 71 grams of

sugar per day (the average American eats 150 grams of sugar per

day).

In

Raratonga, gross obesity is 5.2 times more common than it is on Pukapuka.

The New Zealand Maori have 13 times more gross obesity than the people on

Pukapuka. Diabetes is 3.1 times more prevalent on Raratonga than on

Pukapuka. There is almost six times more diabetes in New Zealand than on

Pukapuka. Heart disease is twice as common on Raratonga and 2 1/2 times

more common in New Zealand than it is on Pukapuka. High blood pressure is

seen in 10 times more people on Raratonga and in 8 1/2 more times more

people in New Zealand than on Pukapuka.

As diet

contains more refined and processed foods, disease increases, we begin to

see more obesity, diabetes, high blood pressure, heart disease and even

cancer. Eating a nutrient deficient diet causes other problems like

fatigue, allergies, depression, chronic pain, skin problems and many

other problems that affect the quality of our lives.

--copied from " General Dietary Information " copyright

Varnas, DC

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R. Sooley, DC

(217) 431-3290 voice

G.F. Sooley,

DC

(209) 797-6521 fax

Sooley Chiropractic Health Center

11 E. Fairchild St. http://www.sooleychiro.com

Danville, IL 61832-3140 mailto:drgeorge@...

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