Vaccine and a hygiene question - Answer...

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Hello, all!

I think I have the answer to your question. Study Alfred Russel Wallace.

During the 1870's, several objective English doctors were observing that

good food and personal hygiene were much more conducive to stopping smallpox

outbreaks in England than the smallpox vaccine. By 1898 Alfred Russel

Wallace wrote a well documented report " Vaccination a Delusion: Its Penal

Enforcement a Crime. " You can read this report at

www.whale.to/vaccine/wallace/4.html

Wallace’s research clearly pointed out that the people in a town that was

over 90% vaccinated had six times more smallpox and eight times more

smallpox deaths than a town that was not vaccinated. Wallace wrote the

above referenced essay to Parliament in an attempt to get them to rescind

the Vaccination Laws that made it mandatory for everyone in England to be

vaccinated against smallpox. With his essay and the work of other famous

men, the Vaccination Act was repealed in 1907. It is interesting to note

that by 1919, England and Wales had become one of the least vaccinated

countries, and had only 28 deaths from smallpox, out of a population of 37.8

million people. By contrast, during that same year, out of a population of

10 million -- all triply vaccinated over the prior 6 years -- the Philippine

Islands registered 47,368 deaths from smallpox.

Ask yourselves one question. If vaccination really works, why did England

repeal their forced vaccination law?

Vic

---- Original Message -----

From: <LINDAELLIS@...>

<Dr >

Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 9:29 AM

Subject: Vaccine and hygiene question

>I've been following this conversation on vaccines, and wonder if anybody

out

>there has run across something I found a while back, but can't find

now....

>

>There is an article somewhere which gives the names and dates of the

>scientists who began advocating better hygiene - like doctors washing

hands before

>doing surgery, basic stuff like that. & amp;nbsp; As I recall, he was

resoundingly

>rebuffed for years or decades, but when it became accepted that disease

was

>transferred by dirty hands, they started tracking the decline of these

diseases.

>

>Also, the advent of modern indoor plumbing, which promoted better waste

>disposal and more frequent baths and showers;

>

>The advent of the automobile, which took a whole lot of horse manure off

the

>streets: "

>

>The widespread use of electricity and the development of modern

refrigeration

>and food storage processes, which dramatically reduced the growth and

>transmission of bacteria and disease via the food supply.

>

>If anybody can pinpoint where I read this stuff before, and point me at

the

>links, I'd be very grateful. & amp;nbsp; As it happens, we had dinner a

while back

>with someone who used exactly the line " look at the development of the

polio

>vaccine, and how it eradicated the disease entirely. " & amp;nbsp; Then this

thread

>started here. & amp;nbsp; I've printed off some of the links to send him,

but want this

>basic info on hygiene and refrigeration to complement my argument.

>

>Finally, it is interesting to note that infection and disease is often

spread

>in a hospital setting TODAY due to lack of proper hygiene amongst the

staff. & amp;

>nbsp; Doctors and nurses are often understaffed and pressed for time, and

>neglect to wash up before touching patients. & amp;nbsp; Thus, pneumonia,

staph and

>other illness is a common problem in hospitals. & amp;nbsp; A friend of mine

recently

>said she was going in for knee replacement surgery, and commented that she

had

>to find something for her mother to do to keep busy and not drive her

nuts. & amp;

>nbsp; I suggest that a good role for her mother would be to " police " the

people

>who entered her room, insisting that they all wash up before any contact

at

>all, as this was a) a role that her mother would take to like a duck to

water;

>and be the surest preventive against contracting a secondary infection

or

>other illness.

>

>Just had a friend who had back surgery last year, and contracted a

secondary

>infection while hospitalized. & amp;nbsp; The end result was over six months

of IV

>antibiotics, able to walk only with a cane until last week, and a loss of

about

>80 pounds (which she could afford, so that wasn't a major problem, though

it

>hadn't been her goal...).

>

>

>

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In a message dated 2/15/2004 4:50:18 PM Central Standard Time,

cindycharlebois@... writes:

> I think I have the answer to your question. Study Alfred Russel Wallace.

> During the 1870's, several objective English doctors were observing that good

> food and personal hygiene were much more conducive to stopping smallpox

> outbreaks in England than the smallpox vaccine. By 1898 Alfred Russel Wallace

> wrote a well documented report " Vaccination a Delusion: Its Penal Enforcement

a

> Crime. " You can read this report at www.whale.to/vaccine/wallace/4.html

Thanks, . This was all good reading, and a good start.

What I'm looking for, especially, is one particular doctor's name, who

publicly advocated better hygiene for doctors while treating patients.

Specifically, he urged that doctors WASH THEIR HANDS before performing surgery!

What a

concept!

As I recall, his work was resoundingly rejected in his time, and it took

decades before it became accepted that doctors were causing at least as much

harm

to their patients as good by failing to address sanitation issues.

I'm still looking through everything I've collected, but I'd sure like to

find that reference again.

[Guest guest]

Well, 2 that come to mind are;

Nostradomis and Louis Pasteur

Louis Pasteur http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/biography/Pasteur.html

He pressed doctors to disinfect their instruments by boiling and

steaming. Pasteur found that septicemia was caused by an anaerobic

bacterium. He urged surgeons to use clean instruments, wash their hands,

and disinfect their gauze and bandages in " The Germ Theory and its

Application to Medicine and Surgery, " much as

<http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/biography/Lister.html> Lister was to

do.

Are one of those who you might be talking about?

Re: Vaccine and a hygiene question - Answer...

In a message dated 2/15/2004 4:50:18 PM Central Standard Time,

cindycharlebois@... writes:

> I think I have the answer to your question. Study Alfred Russel

Wallace.

> During the 1870's, several objective English doctors were observing

that good

> food and personal hygiene were much more conducive to stopping

smallpox

> outbreaks in England than the smallpox vaccine. By 1898 Alfred Russel

Wallace

> wrote a well documented report " Vaccination a Delusion: Its Penal

Enforcement a

> Crime. " You can read this report at

www.whale.to/vaccine/wallace/4.html

Thanks, . This was all good reading, and a good start.

What I'm looking for, especially, is one particular doctor's name, who

publicly advocated better hygiene for doctors while treating patients.

Specifically, he urged that doctors WASH THEIR HANDS before performing

surgery! What a

concept!

As I recall, his work was resoundingly rejected in his time, and it took

decades before it became accepted that doctors were causing at least as

much harm

to their patients as good by failing to address sanitation issues.

I'm still looking through everything I've collected, but I'd sure like

to

find that reference again.

[Guest guest]

It might have been Pasteur, but someone else emailed me privately of a

Hungarian doctor names Ignaz Semmelweis, and he also urged hand-washing between

patients - particularly when a doctor was going from working on a cadaver to

working on a pregnant woman (ugh!). The doctors rebuffed his suggestions as too

time-consuming.

How far we HAVEN'T come in 150 years.....these days it's staph infections in

hospitals, and one of the reasons given that doctors and nurses neglect the

hygiene protocol even though it is acknowledged to fight the spread of disease

is .....they are pressed for time!