Peripheral neuropathy

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Hey Shari,When I hit 43, I found no amount of exercise was enough to get my weight down (I was up to 45 minutes a day, 4 days a week). I had to finally admit that what I was eating and drinking was my problem. (In my 20's I was one of those awful women who could eat and drink anything without gaining an ounce.) I joined Weight Watchers. It took a year, but I was able to lose 35 lbs. I like it because it wasn't so much a diet as a better, healthier way to look at what I was putting in my body. It's a good thing too, because apparently Some of the Dr.s won't consider revision surgery if they think you are too much over weight. I still kept up the exercise, much reduced. The pain interfered, I finally switched to water aerobics. which near the end was still painful, but I knew it would help my recovery.

I'm ten days out of surgery. Best wishes,-DyannHi Bonnie,I thoroughly agree that myofascial release helps with the "memory muscles" and nerves, that crave to return to their original crippled state. My therapist was very clear about the body going into trauma, from surgery until 3,6 months sometimes a year later, these muscles "wake up" and the first thing they do is try to reach their old state. Muscles and nerves have to be restretched and retrained to hold our new bodies. I guess, it is one of the reasons that core

strengthening is so important but had it not been for the neuropathy I probably would not have sought out a PT that could do myofascial release. It is nice to stand tall again and to feel my toes again. C>> Hi Shari, C.,> > I've been a patient of a wonderful physical therapist on and off for different reasons. I saw her last 4 years ago for continuing post

revision pain and now I am seeing her again for shoulder surgery rehab. In between, about 2 years ago, I went to a different therapist who did myofacial release and cranial sacral therapy and thereby changed my posture. When I first saw the original therapist again several weeks ago to start my shoulder treatment, she watched me walk to the treatment room and exclaimed at how much my posture had improved since she last saw me 4 years ago. She was amazed at how tall and straight I was standing. > > I don't know if this will make sense to anyone, but I think my muscles, ligaments, etc., "fought" revision surgery changes to my back, so that I stood pretty much as I did pre revision, which, in turn, kept me in considerable pain. I believe the myofacial therapy and cranial sacral therapy allowed me to free

myself from my old, pre revision stance and stand erect per revision surgery. My kyphosis still makes my stance imperfect, but I am not so bent over anymore.> > I still have pain that my pain doc takes care of, but I am in much better shape than I was 2 years ago, which was 9 years post revision.> > Bonnie>

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Hey Shari,When I hit 43, I found no amount of exercise was enough to get my weight down (I was up to 45 minutes a day, 4 days a week). I had to finally admit that what I was eating and drinking was my problem. (In my 20's I was one of those awful women who could eat and drink anything without gaining an ounce.) I joined Weight Watchers. It took a year, but I was able to lose 35 lbs. I like it because it wasn't so much a diet as a better, healthier way to look at what I was putting in my body. It's a good thing too, because apparently Some of the Dr.s won't consider revision surgery if they think you are too much over weight. I still kept up the exercise, much reduced. The pain interfered, I finally switched to water aerobics. which near the end was still painful, but I knew it would help my recovery.

I'm ten days out of surgery. Best wishes,-DyannHi Bonnie,I thoroughly agree that myofascial release helps with the "memory muscles" and nerves, that crave to return to their original crippled state. My therapist was very clear about the body going into trauma, from surgery until 3,6 months sometimes a year later, these muscles "wake up" and the first thing they do is try to reach their old state. Muscles and nerves have to be restretched and retrained to hold our new bodies. I guess, it is one of the reasons that core

strengthening is so important but had it not been for the neuropathy I probably would not have sought out a PT that could do myofascial release. It is nice to stand tall again and to feel my toes again. C>> Hi Shari, C.,> > I've been a patient of a wonderful physical therapist on and off for different reasons. I saw her last 4 years ago for continuing post

revision pain and now I am seeing her again for shoulder surgery rehab. In between, about 2 years ago, I went to a different therapist who did myofacial release and cranial sacral therapy and thereby changed my posture. When I first saw the original therapist again several weeks ago to start my shoulder treatment, she watched me walk to the treatment room and exclaimed at how much my posture had improved since she last saw me 4 years ago. She was amazed at how tall and straight I was standing. > > I don't know if this will make sense to anyone, but I think my muscles, ligaments, etc., "fought" revision surgery changes to my back, so that I stood pretty much as I did pre revision, which, in turn, kept me in considerable pain. I believe the myofacial therapy and cranial sacral therapy allowed me to free

myself from my old, pre revision stance and stand erect per revision surgery. My kyphosis still makes my stance imperfect, but I am not so bent over anymore.> > I still have pain that my pain doc takes care of, but I am in much better shape than I was 2 years ago, which was 9 years post revision.> > Bonnie>

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Shari, I decided in November of 08 that I was going to lose some of my excess weight. At 5' 5", relatively small frame, with an ideal body weight of 126, I was around 147 lbs. when I decided to go for it. I have, but v-e-r-y slowly, like 2 lbs. a month on the average, lost 12 lbs. to date. I am hardly active so that has made it so extremely slow. Fat free yogurt, 2% cottage cheese have been the main things that I've been eating - not to say that that is the healthiest way to go, but along with a vitamin supplement I haven't suffered too bad. Also, the sugar free jello has really helped out in those moments when I just had to have something. Other things, like the refrigerated kosher dill pickles have helped curbed that appetite when it really wasn't time to eat but needed something to consume. The vinegar/spices also would help curb the appetite.

I'm on a plateau right now, feel hungry 24/7 and even if I eat a full blown high fat/high calorie meal, I still want to eat. So, I've decided to give it a rest for a few days or up to a week before resuming to hit that last stretch, where the remaining belly fat just doesn't seem to want to disappear.

Other things I'll eat are:

baked potato w/low fat sour cream and fresh diced onions and maybe some artificial bacon bits

a chef salad - sometimes adding more meat than normal, but gotta get full once in a while

sauer kraut will help reduce hunger pang

I might substitute a meal now and then with a heaping bowl of frozen fat free yogurt. I could eat that every day and doubt that it would be all that effective in weight loss, but I compare the total calorie count of what I eat of that as a meal versus other food choices and for me it serves as a sweet retreat from the hum drums of dieting.

Then, raw carrots, broccoli & cauliflour with ranch dip help for in-betweens.

Oh, lastly, low fat hamburger patties seasoned with garlic...things I like make for a good thing, and I love them with cole slaw on the side.

I am not recommending that anyone in their right mind depend on the foods listed above as a means of sustaining life - but they helped me this time, and have also in the past helped me lose some weight.

Other than going through a divorce or other major trauma, which I definitely don't recommend, but seemed to work faster for me, I can live on these foods temporarily. I love bread and that is my strongest weakness. And creamed potatoes and gravy. Those are things I'll treat myself to after planning a day or two in advance in calorie comsumption to accommodate for.

G

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Hi ,

Your explanation makes sense to me. I've only been getting myofascial release and trigger point therapy weekly for 6-8 weeks, and immediately after each session, I can stand completely straight, not leaning forward nor to the right as I tend to do. (I cried with relief and amazement after the first session.) But after a few hours, things slide back to their comfortable (not straight) position because that's where the muscles are accustomed to being. He has given me stretches to do 3x/day, but I'm not strict enough with myself. Now that you've explained it like this, I'm going to try harder.

I also need to lose at least 20 pounds. 30 might be even better. I'm only 4'11ish now (I was 5' 1/2" but I've shrunk) and weigh 145. This is the heaviest I've ever been and I know it's taking a toll on my back. The last 10 pounds were gained over the past 5 years from lack of exercise and being in my mid-40s. Any suggestions from the group on successes you've had losing weight, and exercises or activities that worked for you? As I mentioned, I tried yoga to increase flexibility and strength, and I loved it, but that's what started my back's downward slide. I guess my muscles didn't react evenly or tightened up unevenly, which led to the pain.

Shari

On May 5, 2009, at 8:29 PM, redmarmie wrote:

Hi Bonnie,I thoroughly agree that myofascial release helps with the "memory muscles" and nerves, that crave to return to their original crippled state. My therapist was very clear about the body going into trauma, from surgery until 3,6 months sometimes a year later, these muscles "wake up" and the first thing they do is try to reach their old state. Muscles and nerves have to be restretched and retrained to hold our new bodies. I guess, it is one of the reasons that core strengthening is so important but had it not been for the neuropathy I probably would not have sought out a PT that could do myofascial release. It is nice to stand tall again and to feel my toes again. C>> Hi Shari, C.,> > I've been a patient of a wonderful physical therapist on and off for different reasons. I saw her last 4 years ago for continuing post revision pain and now I am seeing her again for shoulder surgery rehab. In between, about 2 years ago, I went to a different therapist who did myofacial release and cranial sacral therapy and thereby changed my posture. When I first saw the original therapist again several weeks ago to start my shoulder treatment, she watched me walk to the treatment room and exclaimed at how much my posture had improved since she last saw me 4 years ago. She was amazed at how tall and straight I was standing. > > I don't know if this will make sense to anyone, but I think my muscles, ligaments, etc., "fought" revision surgery changes to my back, so that I stood pretty much as I did pre revision, which, in turn, kept me in considerable pain. I believe the myofacial therapy and cranial sacral therapy allowed me to free myself from my old, pre revision stance and stand erect per revision surgery. My kyphosis still makes my stance imperfect, but I am not so bent over anymore.> > I still have pain that my pain doc takes care of, but I am in much better shape than I was 2 years ago, which was 9 years post revision.> > Bonnie>

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Hi Cam, Dyann, and ,Thanks for your feedback. I see from everyone's posts that you're all much more active than I ever was. 10 years ago, I was doing 2 aerobics/body sculpt classes each week, but that feels like eons ago.I'll look into all of your suggestions. I don't swim well and don't enjoy it because I almost drowned as a kid. I suppose the adult thing to do would be to get over the trauma and really learn to swim well... but that seems daunting to me. It's hard enough to get out of the house to just go walking and there's no past trauma associated with that! :)I'll see if there's aquatic therapy here - that's different than swimming.My husband and I could both use a change in our eating habits, so we'll see a dietician. We do have Weight Watchers here in Israel.Thanks for all of your advice. I'll let you know how it goes.ShariOn May 6, 2009, at 1:12 AM, Gross wrote:Shari, I decided in November of 08 that I was going to lose some of my excess weight.  At 5' 5", relatively small frame, with an ideal body weight of 126, I was around 147 lbs. when I decided to go for it.  I have, but v-e-r-y slowly, like 2 lbs. a month on the average, lost 12 lbs. to date.  I am hardly active so that has made it so extremely slow.  Fat free yogurt, 2% cottage cheese have been the main things that I've been eating - not to say that that is the healthiest way to go, but along with a vitamin supplement I haven't suffered too bad.  Also, the sugar free jello has really helped out in those moments when I just had to have something.  Other things, like the refrigerated kosher dill pickles have helped curbed that appetite when it really wasn't time to eat but needed something to consume.  The vinegar/spices also would help curb the appetite.  I'm on a plateau right now, feel hungry 24/7 and even if I eat a full blown high fat/high calorie meal, I still want to eat.  So, I've decided to give it a rest for a few days or up to a week before resuming to hit that last stretch, where the remaining belly fat just doesn't seem to want to disappear. Other things I'll eat are: baked potato w/low fat sour cream and fresh diced onions and maybe some artificial bacon bitsa chef salad - sometimes adding more meat than normal, but gotta get full once in a whilesauer kraut will help reduce hunger pang I might substitute a meal now and then with a heaping bowl of frozen fat free yogurt.  I could eat that every day and doubt that it would be all that effective in weight loss, but I compare the total calorie count of what I eat of that as a meal versus other food choices and for me it serves as a sweet retreat from the hum drums of dieting. Then, raw carrots, broccoli & cauliflour with ranch dip help for in-betweens. Oh, lastly, low fat hamburger patties seasoned with garlic...things I like make for a good thing, and I love them with cole slaw on the side. I am not recommending that anyone in their right mind depend on the foods listed above as a means of sustaining life - but they helped me this time, and have also in the past helped me lose some weight. Other than going through a divorce or other major trauma, which I definitely don't recommend, but seemed to work faster for me, I can live on these foods temporarily.  I love bread and that is my strongest weakness.  And creamed potatoes and gravy.  Those are things I'll treat myself to after planning a day or two in advance in calorie comsumption to accommodate for. G Re: [ ] Re: peripheral neuropathyHi ,Your explanation makes sense to me. I've only been getting myofascial release and trigger point therapy weekly for 6-8 weeks, and immediately after each session, I can stand completely straight, not leaning forward nor to the right as I tend to do. (I cried with relief and amazement after the first session.) But after a few hours, things slide back to their comfortable (not straight) position because that's where the muscles are accustomed to being. He has given me stretches to do 3x/day, but I'm not strict enough with myself. Now that you've explained it like this, I'm going to try harder.I also need to lose at least 20 pounds. 30 might be even better. I'm only 4'11ish now (I was 5' 1/2" but I've shrunk) and weigh 145.  This is the heaviest I've ever been and I know it's taking a toll on my back. The last 10 pounds were gained over the past 5 years from lack of exercise and being in my mid-40s. Any suggestions from the group on successes you've had losing weight, and exercises or activities that worked for you? As I mentioned, I tried yoga to increase flexibility and strength, and I loved it, but that's what started my back's downward slide. I guess my muscles didn't react evenly or tightened up unevenly, which led to the pain.ShariOn May 5, 2009, at 8:29 PM, redmarmie wrote:Hi Bonnie,I thoroughly agree that myofascial release helps with the "memory muscles" and nerves, that crave to return to their original crippled state. My therapist was very clear about the body going into trauma, from surgery until 3,6 months sometimes a year later, these muscles "wake up" and the first thing they do is try to reach their old state. Muscles and nerves have to be restretched and retrained to hold our new bodies. I guess, it is one of the reasons that core strengthening is so important but had it not been for the neuropathy I probably would not have sought out a PT that could do myofascial release. It is nice to stand tall again and to feel my toes again. C>> Hi Shari, C.,> > I've been a patient of a wonderful physical therapist on and off for different reasons. I saw her last 4 years ago for continuing post revision pain and now I am seeing her again for shoulder surgery rehab. In between, about 2 years ago, I went to a different therapist who did myofacial release and cranial sacral therapy and thereby changed my posture. When I first saw the original therapist again several weeks ago to start my shoulder treatment, she watched me walk to the treatment room and exclaimed at how much my posture had improved since she last saw me 4 years ago. She was amazed at how tall and straight I was standing. > > I don't know if this will make sense to anyone, but I think my muscles, ligaments, etc., "fought" revision surgery changes to my back, so that I stood pretty much as I did pre revision, which, in turn, kept me in considerable pain. I believe the myofacial therapy and cranial sacral therapy allowed me to free myself from my old, pre revision stance and stand erect per revision surgery. My kyphosis still makes my stance imperfect, but I am not so bent over anymore.> > I still have pain that my pain doc takes care of, but I am in much better shape than I was 2 years ago, which was 9 years post revision.> > Bonnie>

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Shari,

I would love to say, being 3 years out that my body is no longer fighting me to

go back to it's old state but it is not true. What is true though is that

through the proper stretches and strengthening, I am able to hold the new stance

longer and longer as time goes by. At first, after about two hours or if I got

tired, my body would slip back into my old posture now I can go 6 or 7 hours.

Also, it is imperative to do all the proper stretches your PT gives you prior to

going for your walk. Otherwise your just doing the exercise in the bad stance to

start with and reinforcing the bad posture. I know, oh, hum, will we ever get it

right?

A lot of my exercises are only on one side of my body. I do strengthening to

fight the natural tendency to go to the left. I can see that some revisionee's

never had the battle of struggling with the old posture once the new was in

place. Some like me were straight and tall right after surgery and then found

themselves struggling to keep it based on muscle memory and nerve issues. I tell

you if I never hear " stand up straight " again, it will be alright with me.

Unfortunately, my first surgeon fused me crooked with a 45 degree curve. Fused

me, while my left hip was more forward then my right and also did not straighten

the curve as much as he could of so I am always a bit off. Like I said, it has

been three years but there is improvement and as long as there is that I will

not give up PT.

SB belongs to an online group that helped her lose a lot of weight but I am

unsure of the name of it. I also have found myself heavy for the first time in

my life and I am struggling with it too. A such is life. C

> > >

> > > Hi Shari, C.,

> > >

> > > I've been a patient of a wonderful physical therapist on and off

> > for different reasons. I saw her last 4 years ago for continuing

> > post revision pain and now I am seeing her again for shoulder

> > surgery rehab. In between, about 2 years ago, I went to a different

> > therapist who did myofacial release and cranial sacral therapy and

> > thereby changed my posture. When I first saw the original therapist

> > again several weeks ago to start my shoulder treatment, she watched

> > me walk to the treatment room and exclaimed at how much my posture

> > had improved since she last saw me 4 years ago. She was amazed at

> > how tall and straight I was standing.

> > >

> > > I don't know if this will make sense to anyone, but I think my

> > muscles, ligaments, etc., " fought " revision surgery changes to my

> > back, so that I stood pretty much as I did pre revision, which, in

> > turn, kept me in considerable pain. I believe the myofacial therapy

> > and cranial sacral therapy allowed me to free myself from my old,

> > pre revision stance and stand erect per revision surgery. My

> > kyphosis still makes my stance imperfect, but I am not so bent over

> > anymore.

> > >

> > > I still have pain that my pain doc takes care of, but I am in

> > much better shape than I was 2 years ago, which was 9 years post

> > revision.

> > >

> > > Bonnie

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

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I am very thankful to whoever it was that posted the link to

http://www.sparkpeople.com at the time that I needed to start working on my

weight. It is a free website with nutrition and exercise trackers and tons of

articles to read about how to achieve your goals. There are also a lot of team

message boards where you can find people with similar interests who will

encourage you on your weight loss journey.

Unfortunately, I have been working crazy schedules and have gained about 15

pounds this semester (thanks to starbuck's frappucino), but I am looking forward

to getting back to work on the nutrition and exercise when the college semester

ends next week. It sure comes back a lot more quickly than it went away!

> >

> > Hi Shari, C.,

> >

> > I've been a patient of a wonderful physical therapist on and off for

different reasons. I saw her last 4 years ago for continuing post revision pain

and now I am seeing her again for shoulder surgery rehab. In between, about 2

years ago, I went to a different therapist who did myofacial release and cranial

sacral therapy and thereby changed my posture. When I first saw the original

therapist again several weeks ago to start my shoulder treatment, she watched me

walk to the treatment room and exclaimed at how much my posture had improved

since she last saw me 4 years ago. She was amazed at how tall and straight I was

standing.

> >

> > I don't know if this will make sense to anyone, but I think my muscles,

ligaments, etc., " fought " revision surgery changes to my back, so that I stood

pretty much as I did pre revision, which, in turn, kept me in considerable pain.

I believe the myofacial therapy and cranial sacral therapy allowed me to free

myself from my old, pre revision stance and stand erect per revision surgery. My

kyphosis still makes my stance imperfect, but I am not so bent over anymore.

> >

> > I still have pain that my pain doc takes care of, but I am in much

better shape than I was 2 years ago, which was 9 years post revision.

> >

> > Bonnie

> >

>

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Hi Shari,

I firmly believe the time spent in PT is virtually useless if one doesn't follow up with the at-home exercises prescribed by the therapist. Please do your exercises! And, could you possibly go for myofascial release more than once a week? I went 3 times a week for 2 to 3 months and did all my at home exercises. That regimen worked for me.

Bonnie

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Hi Bonnie,I'm going to do my exercises. Thanks for stressing the importance. I think confessing to this list has helped my attitude.The therapist hadn't done the MF release in the past two visits. He concentrated more on trigger point release and some gentle adjustments, not spine - just hips. When I went for therapy yesterday, which started with a 1-hour massage by a massage therapist including some MF, my regular therapist checked me and said that my alignment was excellent. When I first came to him, my hips where off balance and my right leg seemed significantly shorter. Now my legs/hips were aligned so nicely that he said it would be irresponsible of him to do any treatment or adjustment. And the pain I was having 3 months ago is gone, so I don't know if more frequent MF release is necessary in my case. Ok. I'm going to do my stretches! (It's 6:30 am here)ShariOn May 7, 2009, at 3:24 AM, Bonnie wrote:Hi Shari, I firmly believe the time spent in PT is virtually useless if one doesn't follow up with the at-home exercises prescribed by the therapist.  Please do your exercises!  And, could you possibly go for myofascial release more than once a week?  I went 3 times a week for 2 to 3 months and did all my at home exercises.  That regimen worked for me. Bonnie

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Shari,

I am pre-revision also and have an appointment with a physiatrist to see what my non-surgical options are. I am fused from T4-L3 and have back pain and hip pain. A ct myelogram shows I have good lower lordosis, but I have mildly bulging discs at L3-L4 and L4-L5 with a synovial cyst at L4-L5. Would myofascial release help with that? Would a physiatrist suggest myofascial release?

Jeanne

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Hi all,

I'm pre-revision, but I've been getting trigger point therapy and myofascial release weekly for about 6 weeks and I see an improvement in my posture and in my pain level.

The trigger point therapy can be quite painful, although it's only about 10 seconds of pressure on each point, so it's manageable. To make it easier, my therapist recommended a regular massage immediately before he treats me. That helped a lot too.

Shari

On May 4, 2009, at 4:21 PM, redmarmie wrote:

Hi Bonnie,I have often wondered had I not gone through the 2 plus years of myofascial release if I would have improved on my own? I think not, only because I recently meet the acquaintance of another woman who had revision 2 years before me. She also developed nueropathy as a result of the surgery and she never improved. We spoke about myofascial and she has been going for about four months now and sees a marked improvement in her nerves and posturing, so, I guess, I am officially an advocated especially with peripheral nueropathy. C>> Hi all,> > I, too, am a big fan of myofacial release. It's did wonders for me a few years ago, with neuropathy and pain. It even helped with postural therapy. > > Bonnie>

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Hi Jeanne,I am far from an expert on this (having had only a few weeks of treatment) and only your doctors and therapists can tell you what might be helpful for you. MF release is considered alternative medicine, like acupuncture, reflexology, cranio-sacral release, etc.  I'm from a very traditional-medicine-oriented family (my father was a dentist, my husband is a dentist, and my uncle was a top VP with a huge drug company), and I was wary of alternative treatments. But I tried reflexology therapy many years ago to help me through the side effects of 40 weeks of Hep C treatment - contracted during my HR surgery - and it did help. Now my feeling on alternative therapy is, if it doesn't hurt, and it might help, why not try it, as long as my doctor gives the ok. My therapist described the fascia  - connective tissue - like one continuous scuba suit. This website describes it as a sweater, covering and interwoven with everything inside our bodies. http://www.myofascialrelease.com/mfr/mfr_what.asp  The treatment is like a different kind of massage, releasing the tension or stiffness in the fascia rather than, or in addition to, the deeper muscles. It's not going to treat your bulging discs or cyst, but maybe it could help the rest of your body deal with the effects of those issues. My muscles and fascia were very tight from leaning away from the pain in my lower back, and possibly because I overdid it in yoga trying to get myself back into shape, and didn't stretch well enough after, causing my right side to tighten up more than my left. Even though I've haven't done anything yet to treat my issues in L4-L5-S1 other than take anti-inflammatory meds, the MF release and trigger point therapy seem to have helped me stand straighter, and I've been mostly pain-free for 2 months.  See what your doctors say. Good luck.Shari  On May 8, 2009, at 12:28 AM, Slinker wrote:Shari, I am pre-revision also and have an appointment with a physiatrist to see what my non-surgical options are.  I am fused from T4-L3 and have back pain and hip pain.  A ct myelogram shows I have good lower lordosis, but I have mildly bulging discs at L3-L4 and L4-L5 with a synovial cyst at L4-L5.  Would myofascial release help with that?  Would a physiatrist suggest myofascial release?  Jeanne   Re: [ ] Re:peripheral neuropathyHi all,I'm pre-revision, but I've been getting trigger point therapy and myofascial release weekly for about 6 weeks and I see an improvement in my posture and in my pain level.The trigger point therapy can be quite painful, although it's only about 10 seconds of pressure on each point, so it's manageable. To make it easier, my therapist recommended a regular massage immediately before he treats me. That helped a lot too.ShariOn May 4, 2009, at 4:21 PM, redmarmie wrote:Hi Bonnie,I have often wondered had I not gone through the 2 plus years of myofascial release if I would have improved on my own? I think not, only because I recently meet the acquaintance of another woman who had revision 2 years before me. She also developed nueropathy as a result of the surgery and she never improved. We spoke about myofascial and she has been going for about four months now and sees a marked improvement in her nerves and posturing, so, I guess, I am officially an advocated especially with peripheral nueropathy. C>> Hi all,> > I, too, am a big fan of myofacial release. It's did wonders for me a few years ago, with neuropathy and pain. It even helped with postural therapy. > > Bonnie>

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Shari,

Thank you for sharing your experience. I am also an advocate of trying non-traditional medicine, but have not tried anything yet. A friend of mine has been getting cranial-sacral release and swears it has done wonders for her. My mother has had acupuncture, but a long time ago. One of the best treatments she received for her severely compressed discs in her neck was an at home traction kit from her chiropractor. After three months she was able to reduce her pains meds to nearly nothing, after a neurologist told her they could do nothing to help her. She's used this traction for over 20 years and her neck has remained pain free.

Again, thanks for the info, it is very helpful. I'll keep you posted on how things go.

Jeanne

Re: [ ] Re:peripheral neuropathy

Hi all,

I'm pre-revision, but I've been getting trigger point therapy and myofascial release weekly for about 6 weeks and I see an improvement in my posture and in my pain level.

The trigger point therapy can be quite painful, although it's only about 10 seconds of pressure on each point, so it's manageable. To make it easier, my therapist recommended a regular massage immediately before he treats me. That helped a lot too.

Shari

On May 4, 2009, at 4:21 PM, redmarmie wrote:

Hi Bonnie,I have often wondered had I not gone through the 2 plus years of myofascial release if I would have improved on my own? I think not, only because I recently meet the acquaintance of another woman who had revision 2 years before me. She also developed nueropathy as a result of the surgery and she never improved. We spoke about myofascial and she has been going for about four months now and sees a marked improvement in her nerves and posturing, so, I guess, I am officially an advocated especially with peripheral nueropathy. C>> Hi all,> > I, too, am a big fan of myofacial release. It's did wonders for me a few years ago, with neuropathy and pain. It even helped with postural therapy. > > Bonnie>

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HI Jeanne,

My pain doc is also a physiatrist, and he's the one who suggested myofacial release for me.

Bonnie

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Bonnie,

That's good to know!

Thanks,

Jeanne

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HI Jeanne,

My pain doc is also a physiatrist, and he's the one who suggested myofacial release for me.

Bonnie

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The Silkies bantam chickens have black skin. Recently saw that on TV .. believe

it was the Bizarre Foods one. It brought back memories. I used to raise them,

and they were too sweet to eat .. personality wise I mean. I had one huge

rooster of another big breed once that got severely beat up in a fight and was

bleeding. Well, once a chicken in a group is bleeding, their life is in danger

as all the other chickens will try to pick on the blood, (the remedy is to catch

them and smear something like Pine Tar on the wound so it can heal). So anyway,

he " disappeared " . Later that night I went out to a shed check on my tiny little

white Silkie hen and her new brood of babies (very tiny beings!). There she was

sitting at a terrific angle with the brood of babies under her one wing while

the big wounded rooster was " sheltered " under the way-tipped up wing, (sort of

... except for all the parts that stuck out). She saved his life. (The shed she

occupied at night they had to themselves!)

Mothers are very useful!!! Cheers, Joyce

>

> From: Mercurius Trismegistus <magisterium_magnum@...>

> Subject: Re: Peripheral Neuropathy

> Dr

> Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 2:18 PM

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> You can get it in Asian food stores. It's the same as regular chicken, only

> the meat is black. It's much more tonifying of foundational essence.

>

> Peripheral Neuropathy

> >>>

> >>> Anybody got any tips on protecting the feet of older diabetics? My mom's

> >>> new boyfriend has an issue with that. I recommended Cayenne and possibly

> >>> ozone.

> >>> He's also got arterial sclerosis, high blood pressure and high

> >>> cholesterol, but I kind of know how to deal with that stuff using

> >>> acupuncture, garlic, hawthorne, cayenne and celery juice.

> >>> Thanks.

> >>>

> >>>

[Guest guest]

Hi there, to buy this chicken at the Asian store, what would I ask for, simply

" Black Chicken " , or is there another name, or specific brand?

 

Blessings 

PS, I love your story about the hen, and I believe it really happened.  My

mother has chickens, not Silkies though, and they have quite the personalities

at times, and one lays blue eggs, we think she is an Americana.

 

-Janet

 

 

" I don't believe that there is anything else available anyplace in the world at

any price - with or without a prescription - that has been clinically proven to

do all the things that Juice Plus+ has been shown to do. " Dr DuBois M.D.

www.juiceplus.com/+jr28319

From: Mercurius Trismegistus <magisterium_magnum@...>

Subject: Re: Re: Peripheral Neuropathy

Dr

Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 12:15 AM

Yeah, its a completely different type of chicken. LOL. They're naturally

that way, you don't do anything to them. It's just something that has come

down to us over thousands of years, from Traditional Chinese Medicine

Dietary Therapy.

Peripheral Neuropathy

> >>>

> >>> Anybody got any tips on protecting the feet of older diabetics? My

> >>> mom's

> >>> new boyfriend has an issue with that. I recommended Cayenne and

> >>> possibly

> >>> ozone.

> >>> He's also got arterial sclerosis, high blood pressure and high

> >>> cholesterol, but I kind of know how to deal with that stuff using

> >>> acupuncture, garlic, hawthorne, cayenne and celery juice.

> >>> Thanks.

> >>>

> >>>

[Guest guest]

Yeah, its a completely different type of chicken. LOL. They're naturally

that way, you don't do anything to them. It's just something that has come

down to us over thousands of years, from Traditional Chinese Medicine

Dietary Therapy.

Peripheral Neuropathy

> >>>

> >>> Anybody got any tips on protecting the feet of older diabetics? My

> >>> mom's

> >>> new boyfriend has an issue with that. I recommended Cayenne and

> >>> possibly

> >>> ozone.

> >>> He's also got arterial sclerosis, high blood pressure and high

> >>> cholesterol, but I kind of know how to deal with that stuff using

> >>> acupuncture, garlic, hawthorne, cayenne and celery juice.

> >>> Thanks.

> >>>

> >>>

[Guest guest]

Oh how sweet! Dee

-- Re: Peripheral Neuropathy

The Silkies bantam chickens have black skin. Recently saw that on TV ..

believe it was the Bizarre Foods one. It brought back memories. I used to

raise them, and they were too sweet to eat .. personality wise I mean. I had

one huge rooster of another big breed once that got severely beat up in a

fight and was bleeding. Well, once a chicken in a group is bleeding, their

life is in danger as all the other chickens will try to pick on the blood,

(the remedy is to catch them and smear something like Pine Tar on the wound

so it can heal). So anyway, he " disappeared " . Later that night I went out

to a shed check on my tiny little white Silkie hen and her new brood of

babies (very tiny beings!). There she was sitting at a terrific angle with

the brood of babies under her one wing while the big wounded rooster was

sheltered " under the way-tipped up wing, (sort of .. except for all the

parts that stuck out). She saved his life. (The shed she occupied at night

they had to themselves!)

Mothers are very useful!!! Cheers, Joyce

[Guest guest]

The chicken that lays blue eggs is called an Araucana.  I used to raise them

many years ago.

From: Mercurius Trismegistus <magisterium_ magnumcomcast (DOT) net>

Subject: Re: Re: Peripheral Neuropathy

Dr@groups .com

Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 12:15 AM

Yeah, its a completely different type of chicken. LOL. They're naturally

that way, you don't do anything to them. It's just something that has come

down to us over thousands of years, from Traditional Chinese Medicine

Dietary Therapy.

Peripheral Neuropathy

> >>>

> >>> Anybody got any tips on protecting the feet of older diabetics? My

> >>> mom's

> >>> new boyfriend has an issue with that. I recommended Cayenne and

> >>> possibly

> >>> ozone.

> >>> He's also got arterial sclerosis, high blood pressure and high

> >>> cholesterol, but I kind of know how to deal with that stuff using

> >>> acupuncture, garlic, hawthorne, cayenne and celery juice.

> >>> Thanks.

> >>>

> >>>

[Guest guest]

Edy...

Thank you for the correct spelling.

 

Can you please tell me what to ask for at the market to get the black chicken?

-Janet

 

 

" I don't believe that there is anything else available anyplace in the world at

any price - with or without a prescription - that has been clinically proven to

do all the things that Juice Plus+ has been shown to do. " Dr DuBois M.D.

www.juiceplus.com/+jr28319

From: Mercurius Trismegistus <magisterium_ magnumcomcast (DOT) net>

Subject: Re: Re: Peripheral Neuropathy

Dr@groups .com

Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 12:15 AM

Yeah, its a completely different type of chicken. LOL. They're naturally

that way, you don't do anything to them. It's just something that has come

down to us over thousands of years, from Traditional Chinese Medicine

Dietary Therapy.

Peripheral Neuropathy

> >>>

> >>> Anybody got any tips on protecting the feet of older diabetics? My

> >>> mom's

> >>> new boyfriend has an issue with that. I recommended Cayenne and

> >>> possibly

> >>> ozone.

> >>> He's also got arterial sclerosis, high blood pressure and high

> >>> cholesterol, but I kind of know how to deal with that stuff using

> >>> acupuncture, garlic, hawthorne, cayenne and celery juice.

> >>> Thanks.

> >>>

> >>>

[Guest guest]

Just ask for " black chicken. " They will know what it is.

Peripheral Neuropathy

> >>>

> >>> Anybody got any tips on protecting the feet of older diabetics? My

> >>> mom's

> >>> new boyfriend has an issue with that. I recommended Cayenne and

> >>> possibly

> >>> ozone.

> >>> He's also got arterial sclerosis, high blood pressure and high

> >>> cholesterol, but I kind of know how to deal with that stuff using

> >>> acupuncture, garlic, hawthorne, cayenne and celery juice.

> >>> Thanks.

> >>>

> >>>

[Guest guest]

Janet,

 

That one is a new one to me, I had never heard of black chicken before. 

From: Mercurius Trismegistus <magisterium_ magnumcomcast (DOT) net>

Subject: Re: Re: Peripheral Neuropathy

Dr@groups .com

Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 12:15 AM

Yeah, its a completely different type of chicken. LOL. They're naturally

that way, you don't do anything to them. It's just something that has come

down to us over thousands of years, from Traditional Chinese Medicine

Dietary Therapy.

Peripheral Neuropathy

> >>>

> >>> Anybody got any tips on protecting the feet of older diabetics? My

> >>> mom's

> >>> new boyfriend has an issue with that. I recommended Cayenne and

> >>> possibly

> >>> ozone.

> >>> He's also got arterial sclerosis, high blood pressure and high

> >>> cholesterol, but I kind of know how to deal with that stuff using

> >>> acupuncture, garlic, hawthorne, cayenne and celery juice.

> >>> Thanks.

> >>>

> >>>

[Guest guest]

Edy,

The black meat chicken is questioned near the bottom of this email, by another

Dr group person, just scroll down.  This was what I was referring to.  I

wanted to know what exactly to ask for at the store, and what store to purchase

it at.

-Janet

 

 

From: Mercurius Trismegistus <magisterium_ magnumcomcast (DOT) net>

Subject: Re: Re: Peripheral Neuropathy

Dr@groups .com

Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 12:15 AM

Yeah, its a completely different type of chicken. LOL. They're naturally

that way, you don't do anything to them. It's just something that has come

down to us over thousands of years, from Traditional Chinese Medicine

Dietary Therapy.

Peripheral Neuropathy

> >>>

> >>> Anybody got any tips on protecting the feet of older diabetics? My

> >>> mom's

> >>> new boyfriend has an issue with that. I recommended Cayenne and

> >>> possibly

> >>> ozone.

> >>> He's also got arterial sclerosis, high blood pressure and high

> >>> cholesterol, but I kind of know how to deal with that stuff using

> >>> acupuncture, garlic, hawthorne, cayenne and celery juice.

> >>> Thanks.

> >>>

> >>>

[Guest guest]

Hi there ~ I may be way off track and butting in here ~ but is it possible you

are trying to say " blackened " chicken? Ya know... using a " rub " of cajan spices

rubbed on the chicken?? ...it's just a thought...and I realize it is an overdue

remark, as well. Just lovin', carin', and sharin' !

Cherylanne:~)

 

Paying hope forward

            

From: Mercurius Trismegistus <magisterium_ magnumcomcast (DOT) net>

Subject: Re: Re: Peripheral Neuropathy

Dr@groups .com

Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 12:15 AM

Yeah, its a completely different type of chicken. LOL. They're naturally

that way, you don't do anything to them. It's just something that has come

down to us over thousands of years, from Traditional Chinese Medicine

Dietary Therapy.

Peripheral Neuropathy

> >>>

> >>> Anybody got any tips on protecting the feet of older diabetics? My

> >>> mom's

> >>> new boyfriend has an issue with that. I recommended Cayenne and

> >>> possibly

> >>> ozone.

> >>> He's also got arterial sclerosis, high blood pressure and high

> >>> cholesterol, but I kind of know how to deal with that stuff using

> >>> acupuncture, garlic, hawthorne, cayenne and celery juice.

> >>> Thanks.

> >>>

> >>>

[Guest guest]

Thank you very much for answering my question! 

Blessings,

-Janet 

 

From: Mercurius Trismegistus <magisterium_ magnumcomcast (DOT) net>

Subject: Re: Re: Peripheral Neuropathy

Dr@groups .com

Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 12:15 AM

Yeah, its a completely different type of chicken. LOL. They're naturally

that way, you don't do anything to them. It's just something that has come

down to us over thousands of years, from Traditional Chinese Medicine

Dietary Therapy.

Peripheral Neuropathy

> >>>

> >>> Anybody got any tips on protecting the feet of older diabetics? My

> >>> mom's

> >>> new boyfriend has an issue with that. I recommended Cayenne and

> >>> possibly

> >>> ozone.

> >>> He's also got arterial sclerosis, high blood pressure and high

> >>> cholesterol, but I kind of know how to deal with that stuff using

> >>> acupuncture, garlic, hawthorne, cayenne and celery juice.

> >>> Thanks.

> >>>

> >>>

[Guest guest]

Nope, it's an entirely different breed of chicken, apparently. Asian food

stores will know what you mean if you ask for black chicken.

Peripheral Neuropathy

> >>>

> >>> Anybody got any tips on protecting the feet of older diabetics? My

> >>> mom's

> >>> new boyfriend has an issue with that. I recommended Cayenne and

> >>> possibly

> >>> ozone.

> >>> He's also got arterial sclerosis, high blood pressure and high

> >>> cholesterol, but I kind of know how to deal with that stuff using

> >>> acupuncture, garlic, hawthorne, cayenne and celery juice.

> >>> Thanks.

> >>>

> >>>