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Hi Corina, just a quick note before I go to work. My daughter is 7

years old and she is semi-potty trained; she will go when taken, but

won't go voluntarily. Her teachers put her on a schedule and we sent

extra clothes with her and after a while the " accidents " went WAY

down. She is still afraid of flushing toilets though. Funny story;

we went on vacation for spring break and she would go into the

bathroom and flush the toilet over and over! Maybe it's self therapy!

Amyway, gotta go to work! Keep the faith!

Sara

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The neuro told me last month that she does not want me stressing out my 7 yr

old because I have to think about his mental age which is 22 - 26 mos. She

says that because my daughter was potty trained by 20 mos that it is ok if I

continue working with my son but just not to stress him and definitely, not to

show disappointment. He is doing really very well for a 2 yr old because she

says that now-a-days, children are potty trained at 3. Why has the age been

raised from 2 to 3? I didn't ask her but am still wondering.

> Sara,

> My son just turned 9 and for the last 3 years his teacher has attempted

> toilet training with him. Lately, he is in underwear all day at school and

is

> generally successful( some days not even one accident) but they also have

> him on a rigid bathroom schedule. MY problem is when he gets home! I have 3

> other kids, dinner to cook, etc. and it's harder for me to keep him on as

> tight a schedule. Do you have this problem also--any suggestions out there?

He

> still does not initiate but does go most of the time when he's taken(that

> is, he urinates--not the " other " yet) Maybe the only answer is just patience!!

>

> a

> re:potty training

>

>

> Hi Corina, just a quick note before I go to work. My daughter is 7

> years old and she is semi-potty trained; she will go when taken, but

> won't go voluntarily. Her teachers put her on a schedule and we sent

> extra clothes with her and after a while the " accidents " went WAY

> down. She is still afraid of flushing toilets though. Funny story;

> we went on vacation for spring break and she would go into the

> bathroom and flush the toilet over and over! Maybe it's self therapy!

> Amyway, gotta go to work! Keep the faith!

> Sara

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Sara,

My son just turned 9 and for the last 3 years his teacher has attempted

toilet training with him. Lately, he is in underwear all day at school and is

generally successful( some days not even one accident) but they also have him on

a rigid bathroom schedule. MY problem is when he gets home! I have 3 other

kids, dinner to cook, etc. and it's harder for me to keep him on as tight a

schedule. Do you have this problem also--any suggestions out there? He still

does not initiate but does go most of the time when he's taken(that is, he

urinates--not the " other " yet) Maybe the only answer is just patience!!

a

re:potty training

Hi Corina, just a quick note before I go to work. My daughter is 7

years old and she is semi-potty trained; she will go when taken, but

won't go voluntarily. Her teachers put her on a schedule and we sent

extra clothes with her and after a while the " accidents " went WAY

down. She is still afraid of flushing toilets though. Funny story;

we went on vacation for spring break and she would go into the

bathroom and flush the toilet over and over! Maybe it's self therapy!

Amyway, gotta go to work! Keep the faith!

Sara

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In a message dated 5/27/2003 12:59:08 PM Central Standard Time,

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> The neuro told me last month that she does not want me stressing out my 7

> yr

> old because I have to think about his mental age which is 22 - 26 mos. She

> says that because my daughter was potty trained by 20 mos that it is ok if I

>

> continue working with my son but just not to stress him and definitely, not

> to

> show disappointment. He is doing really very well for a 2 yr old because

> she

> says that now-a-days, children are potty trained at 3. Why has the age been

>

> raised from 2 to 3? I didn't ask her but am still wondering.

That's an easy answer. You see, society has changed since you and I were

children now a days both parents work where as when we were children most days

worked and most mothers did not thus not having mothers at home well this cause

children to be potty trained a little later.

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In a message dated 5/27/2003 12:59:08 PM Central Standard Time,

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>

> >Sara,

> > My son just turned 9 and for the last 3 years his teacher has attempted

> >toilet training with him. Lately, he is in underwear all day at school

> and is

> >generally successful( some days not even one accident) but they also have

> >him on a rigid bathroom schedule. MY problem is when he gets home! I have

> 3

> >other kids, dinner to cook, etc. and it's harder for me to keep him on as

> >tight a schedule. Do you have this problem also--any suggestions out

> there? He

> >still does not initiate but does go most of the time when he's taken(that

> >is, he urinates--not the " other " yet) Maybe the only answer is just

> patience!!

> >

> >a

Been there done that. Yes with more than one child that is very challenging.

I had two potty training at once. I couldn't take them like they can at

school, so I made sure to take them at least 3 times a day. First thing in the

morning at noon when they were home and last thing at night. Well, finally it

worked.

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Thank you. That makes sense. Hope

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> That's an easy answer. You see, society has changed since you and I were

> children now a days both parents work where as when we were children most

> days

> worked and most mothers did not thus not having mothers at home well this

> cause

> children to be potty trained a little later.

>

> Tammy

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It is so hard finding those things that work. For us, we used a cute

timer (an oven timer will do). We conditioned him with great things

concerning this timer (we made sure to have a different type timer

than used for time outs or therapy). When the timer went off,

everyone would stop, do a cheer, and race to the bathroom where great

books and treats awaited him-after he was done I would reset the

timer. Eventually he was able to do this on his own without us

needing to be involved and then we faded the timer. We also got a

timer for my daughter who WAS potty trained so he could mimic her and

so she would not feel left out---we cheered for her too.

Some children are almost immediately potty trained after AIT or other

things (this did not occur with us-ours was a struggle and we finally

just spent 2 weeks straight in the bathroom one summer). One woman

on the chelatingkids2 list said her child pottied after starting the

new B12 shots. Sometimes it is a medical problem or sensory problem

like the loud flushing (TLP helped us with this).

Just brainstorming with the rest of you, Theresa

> Sara,

> My son just turned 9 and for the last 3 years his teacher has

attempted toilet training with him. Lately, he is in underwear all

day at school and is generally successful( some days not even one

accident) but they also have him on a rigid bathroom schedule. MY

problem is when he gets home! I have 3 other kids, dinner to cook,

etc. and it's harder for me to keep him on as tight a schedule. Do

you have this problem also--any suggestions out there? He still does

not initiate but does go most of the time when he's taken(that is, he

urinates--not the " other " yet) Maybe the only answer is just

patience!!

> a

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Do you have a sml set stairs or something you could use to get her to

toilet level? There are many things you can use- you can buy a set of

stairs witha troilet overlay so they dont fall in :) , my mil had sml

set steps esp made for BJ for xmass- and he quicky figured to drag em

around for everything else too :) or even just maybe 2 phone books set

on top of each other.......... hope this helps

Leis

Aussie mum..to BJ nearly 6 ds, natasha 20 months and bubs #3 due in

10days :)

Angie Tate wrote:

> Ok here we are.......I have had my dd in pullups since she turned

> about 2 and have taken her to potty at certain times during the day

> since then. She wipes herself when she's done and is ready to flush.

> She cant even reach the potty herself to sit. So what do I do to

> reallllllllllllllly get her to potty. She's now 3.5 and I am ready.

> She doesnt care if she's wet or if she poops. It doesnt matter to

> her. We have another baby coming in April and Sydnie will be 4 in May.

> Got anything for me? lol

> ~Angie

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> mom to Sydnie (3, Ds),

> Cautiously waiting for our second Miracle~ EDD 4/30/04

> 3 angels in Heaven

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I would have to agree here. BJ was in a special needs pre-school- and it

took us nearly a year to toilet train him. They did whatever we did at h

ome. We did a cross over hting- sometr hings thye did at school we id

dat home and visa versa. He was " trained " 4 days before Natasha was

born. She is now 22 months, and she is also doing what your daughter is

doing- telling us she's done a poop, wanting to use paper, and putting

it in toilet. etc

We found \rewards worked well with BJ- everyone is different tho :)

Man if somneone had told me before I had my first baby ( ) thatI

Would be changing nappies everyday for over 6 years I would have laughed

and said yeah right :) But here I Am still going :) One reason not to

want baby #4 :) hehehehehehhehe I know there are some of you out there

who have changed nappies for longer :) but Ive only had kids for 6 years

:) heheheheehhe

Sue Brown wrote:

>

>

> Just my humble opinion...

> I agree with you that she is ready to continue the process.

--

Aussie Leis- mum to BJ - 6- where have the yrs gone?? ds, Natasha 22 months -

hellion on 2 little legs :) and - 7 weeks...still an angel- for now :)

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is Vckie in a daycare setting? I am goingto assume that she is because of her

age...why won't they just take her the bathroom whenal the other 3 1/2 year olds

go...that is age, peer, and time appropriate isn't it? Just my suggestion.---

On Sat 12/06, Ann-marie & lt; annshelley@... & gt; wrote:

From: Ann-marie [mailto: annshelley@...]To:

@...: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 11:48:00 -0500Subject:

potty trainingi was talking to Vickie's teacher on Thursday and

asked her about the potty training.... and we had put into the iep that vickie

would be put on the potty and 9 and 11 like she is at home to help encourage

potty training... the teacher said that vickie had not been showing any signs of

readiness and that pushing to early can hurt rather then help.... now vickie at

home can flush with a little help, tries to put on her seat when it is not

there,,, sometimes tells us she has to go or has had a messy diaper.... this is

not consistent but she to me seems to get the idea especially when she wants the

tissue after she goes,,,,, now she ususallly just tries to put it into the

toilet and not wipes...but i think she is getting the idea..... she is 3 1/2

years old.... to me she is showing signs but the teacher is a little balky it

seems and says she will discuss it with the team.... should i push this??? i am

not sure how to handle it.... to me until vickie gets more verbal schedule

training will be the way to go and once it becomes pretty consistent well padded

cloth underwear will be the next step and plenty of changes of clothing....

however, i think for this to work i will have to require the school to be just

as consistent.... never mind hubby... but that is another problem.... i guess i

am wondering if i am pushing to soon or what.... any opinions???ann[Non-text

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She is not refusing to go and will stay dry for up to 2 hours at times....

depending greatly on whether or not she has drank more then usual and many times

unless sleeping much later then usual will be dry in the mornings

Re: potty training

Hi Ann-Marie,

Our little was potty trained at three. I have heard that this is

unusually early for a child for Down syndrome. He was waking up dry in the

morning, so I would put him on the toilet seat first thing upon waking, before

and after meals and naps, etc.

You are her parent and if you want to train her now, then the teacher should

respect that. Is Vickie refusing to go? Or showing adamant signs she doesn't

want to do this? As long as she is willing to try and go, I think that she

should be given the training.

Roni

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She is in classes with children younger then herself... we are working on

getting her skills such that we can get her into a more same age peer setting

potty training

i was talking to Vickie's teacher on Thursday and asked her about the

potty training.... and we had put into the iep that vickie would be put on the

potty and 9 and 11 like she is at home to help encourage potty training... the

teacher said that vickie had not been showing any signs of readiness and that

pushing to early can hurt rather then help.... now vickie at home can flush with

a little help, tries to put on her seat when it is not there,,, sometimes tells

us she has to go or has had a messy diaper.... this is not consistent but she to

me seems to get the idea especially when she wants the tissue after she

goes,,,,, now she ususallly just tries to put it into the toilet and not

wipes...but i think she is getting the idea..... she is 3 1/2 years old.... to

me she is showing signs but the teacher is a little balky it seems and says she

will discuss it with the team.... should i push this??? i am not sure how to

handle it.... to me until vickie gets more verbal schedule training will be the

way to go and once it becomes pretty consistent well padded cloth underwear will

be the next step and plenty of changes of clothing.... however, i think for this

to work i will have to require the school to be just as consistent.... never

mind hubby... but that is another problem....

i guess i am wondering if i am pushing to soon or what.... any

opinions???

ann

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When he ahs an accident at home, get him to change himself (under your

supervision, of course) with as little help as possible. Maybe he will get

tired of changing himself and stop and go. This was a problem with my daughter,

and that helped. Sometimes I think at home they just like to let their hair

down and relax, just like us, so it is the last thing on their minds.

Good luck!

mom to Bridget 11 ds in Upstate SC

potty training

I have a son whose eight years old , he has beening doing really

good with saying he has to go to the bathroom at school. He usally

has a problem when it is a bad wheather day only at school. He has a

set schedule at home when I take him to the potty. I tell him to let

me know when he has to go but never does. When we go out to the

store he will tell us. I don't understand why he doesn't say

anything at home. I was wondering if someone could make a suggestion

as to what to do to get him trained here. I have tried different

rewards. But that doesn't work either. I would appreciate any advise?

Sincerley yours,

wendy

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Glenn,

I have not had to potty triain in a cast, although I did have to potty train 's older brother . I wouldn't worry about it. My older son who is now 4 1/2 didn't potty trin until he was over 3 1/2. When they are ready they will do it. Especially if he sees his brothers going on the "big boy potty." :)

What about the little potty's they have? Have you tried that? How far down does his cast come? The balance thing is probably a real issue.

I know we have lots of Mom's here that have had the same issue. Just remember.. when he wants to do it he will find a way. They just do.

Good luck Glenn, you sound like a really great Dad!

Crista

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Hi, My name is Carla. 2 of our children are autistic...my son was difficult to potty train at home...at the time we had no older boys that could model what he was supposed to do...and somehow I just couldn't get my point across to him....and he had very poor communication skills, then he started special ed preschool and his peers were a little older and very in tune to a routine which included a regular set time everyday to potty....and they all went into the bathroom together....I've read somewhere...that peer interaction is a powerful thing for an autistic child and they actually learn quicker or ? easier from peers than from adults....I was thinking that if you get your child into a similar situation...mmm...like if you happened to have a few nephews close in age to your son, that are already potty trained....that you could babysit during spring break and for even a week at regular intervals and they had a set time everyday that they all went into the potty together...(a potty party) that this may help...somehow the whole potty thing seemed to be just the "thing to do" for Adam after just a few weeks with the other little guys. I wish you the best! Much Love, Carla potty training

HI,DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS FOR POTTY TRAINING A 4 YEAR OLD BOY WITH AUTISM THAT CANT COMMUNICATE?THANKS,ROBYN

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Hi chrissy my name is missy I am mom to Ian type 2/3.

He is potty trianed. It is possible there are a lot

of SMA 2 kids potty trained. Jeni may be able to help

you more. She has a daughter that I believe is now 9.

I am clueless to girls, have all boys!! I do know it

is possible though!!!

Good luck!!

Missy

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> Its me again. Can anyone help me. I am needing

> some information on

> potty training. My daughters doc. said that she

> will never potty

> train, but i know thats crap. she has type 2. and

> she is turning 2

> in one week. I really need to get started.

>

> thanks,

> chrissy

>

>

>

>

>

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My son is 22 y/o so it's been a while since potty training LOL. As far

as I know, the sensation of needing to go and the ability to hold it

til on the potty should be the same as with any other toddler. The

only difference is that you have to help her get there and you may

need to find a " potty chair " that works for her. Danny did just as

well as my other kids, and was " trained " to tell me when he needed to

go by about 2 1/2 years old. He used a potty chair that sat on the

floor and had arm rests, high back/head support, and a tray across the

front (for his book LOL). Night dryness took a bit longer, but that

can be typical of kids without SMA also.

Good Luck!

>

> Its me again. Can anyone help me. I am needing some information on

> potty training. My daughters doc. said that she will never potty

> train, but i know thats crap. she has type 2. and she is turning 2

> in one week. I really need to get started.

>

> thanks,

> chrissy

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I asked my mom what she did to potty train me (type 2 and a girl around 2-ish)

and she said when I woke up she'd place me in my Bug's Bunny " pee-pee " chair.

I'd be there while I ate my breakfast. If I had done my duty in the

pot/removeable dish then I got a kiss and then she'd get me diapered and do

her stuff.

Then at various times in the day she'd ask me if I had to pee or poop after

awhile of placing me on Bug's Bunny at different (likely when she was free)

times to pee/poop. The rest just goes along as your typical potty training i

suppose.

On 2005.03.04 03:13, wrote:

> My son is 22 y/o so it's been a while since potty training LOL. As far

> as I know, the sensation of needing to go and the ability to hold it

> til on the potty should be the same as with any other toddler. The

> only difference is that you have to help her get there and you may

> need to find a " potty chair " that works for her. Danny did just as

> well as my other kids, and was " trained " to tell me when he needed to

> go by about 2 1/2 years old. He used a potty chair that sat on the

> floor and had arm rests, high back/head support, and a tray across the

> front (for his book LOL). Night dryness took a bit longer, but that

> can be typical of kids without SMA also.

> Good Luck!

>

>

>

> > Its me again. Can anyone help me. I am needing some information on

> > potty training. My daughters doc. said that she will never potty

> > train, but i know thats crap. she has type 2. and she is turning 2

> > in one week. I really need to get started.

> >

> > thanks,

> > chrissy

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Oh yeah, h still wears diapers at night, as do most of the kids I know.

h is tube fed and gets about 700 ccs a night, so getting up to go potty

would NOT be an option. But... even before the tube she never stayed dry at

night. It's just h!

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.. Night dryness took a bit longer, but that

can be typical of kids without SMA also.

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Chrissy-

Not that I'm disagreeing with anyone here..just want to share our story as well.

My daughter Jerika just turned 3 and is still in diapers. We tried but it was

very intermittent so I am holding off. I feel poty training is one of those

things you have to be very adamant about and if you have any doubt the child

cannot control it, I have a difficult time punishing her for not telling me in

time. Jerika is a weak type II and it only makes sense to me that lack of

muscle everywhere else would also include that of the muscles that control the

bladder. We do know a girl who is a strong type I that was trained at the age

of 4 so I am very hopeful it will happen. I don't know how strong your daughter

is, but I would not push it if she is not ready. My daughter goes to school and

many times will sit on the poty to be like the other kids. She is very advanced

cognitively, as are most of our beautiful children and I know that if she truly

could right now, she would be trained. I

definitely disagree with your doc and believe she will be able to..I just

wouldn't be too concerned at the age of merely 2 years. I know it's not the

most fun, but it's also an issue I don't feel would be successful if forced

either. Just my 2 cents!

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potty training. My daughters doc. said that she will never potty

train, but i know thats crap. she has type 2. and she is turning 2

in one week. I really need to get started.

thanks,

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Hi Chrissy: My son Bryce is 4 & 1/2 with Type 3 - and he

didn't potty train until after age 3 (and possibly

around 3 & 1/2). My daughter is who is 2 & 1/2 and

presently SMA asymptomatic (though she tested postive

for the " homozygous smn1 deletion on 5q13 " ) has shown

some interest, but is still a ways off from potty

training. I've some neices & nephews (without SMA)

that didn't potty train till after 4 - and one not

fully until after 5. All I can say regarding the

potty training from this Dad's experience is the

harder we seemed to push to get the potty training

thing going, the longer it seemed to take. Then all

of a sudden, boom, Bryce was going potty like a big

boy all the time (and equipped with plenty of bribing

toys to boot). My recommendation is to regularly, but

gently suggest that yur daughter might want to use the

potty like a big girl (that's what we're doing with

our daughter right now) - when she's ready, she'll let

you know. Good luck. Mitch

--- Chrissy Krider <smaangel@...> wrote:

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> Its me again. Can anyone help me. I am needing

> some information on

> potty training. My daughters doc. said that she

> will never potty

> train, but i know thats crap. she has type 2. and

> she is turning 2

> in one week. I really need to get started.

>

> thanks,

> chrissy

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Wow, this actually sounds really late for potty training to BEGIN. My

mom started sitting us on the little kids pot as soon as we were able

to sit up without support for long periods of time (about 9 - 10

months old). I was potty trained by the time I was a year old and had

not started walking at that point. My older sister (not affected) was

potty trained by 14 months. My younger sister (not affected) by 10

months. And my younger brother (not affected) by 15 months.

I would say 2 years is too late to begin. They're old enough to

communicate and understand when they need to potty. Just keep asking

if they have to go and keep telling them you don't want them to go to

the bathroom in their diaper.

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In a message dated 3/4/2005 4:15:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

smamom2three@... writes:

I just dont see the point to force them to potty train early. Kids are ready

when they are ready. Like the saying goes, you can lead a horse to water but

you cant make him drink, well with kids you can sit them on the pot but you

cant make them go!

Exactly. Forcing the issue will only cause problems whether it be out right

defiance or a fear of the toilet! Two is YOUNG to be fully out of diapers.

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I disagree, 2 is not too late to start potty training. Yes some kids are able to

really young but some arent. With my son we have been sitting him on the pot

since he could sit and he still isnt potty trained. We have regular bathroom

schedules for him as well. I know it does not affect every one the same but we

actually took Aschdon to a urologist and they said he has a weak bladder. We

dont give up but he doesnt even have the sensation when he has to go. As for

normal kids my oldest (not effected) was potty trained by 3 and same with my

other daughter who is uneffected. We took her too to a uro doc because she has

problems holding it. It was shown she has a weak bladder as well :( and they

said hopefully she will get strength as she gets older.

I just dont see the point to force them to potty train early. Kids are ready

when they are ready. Like the saying goes, you can lead a horse to water but you

cant make him drink, well with kids you can sit them on the pot but you cant

make them go!

Kendra <kendranicole@...> wrote:

Wow, this actually sounds really late for potty training to BEGIN. My

mom started sitting us on the little kids pot as soon as we were able

to sit up without support for long periods of time (about 9 - 10

months old). I was potty trained by the time I was a year old and had

not started walking at that point. My older sister (not affected) was

potty trained by 14 months. My younger sister (not affected) by 10

months. And my younger brother (not affected) by 15 months.

I would say 2 years is too late to begin. They're old enough to

communicate and understand when they need to potty. Just keep asking

if they have to go and keep telling them you don't want them to go to

the bathroom in their diaper.

-Kendra

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You'd be amazed how comfortable these kids are in

these new-aged high-tech Pampers/Huggies (regardless

of what fowlness those diapers may hold). I was told

by my Mom that I was potty trained by age 1 & 1/2, but

alas, I was a cloth-diaper baby. I think the whole

wetness-wicking-away material today's diapers are made

of, is actually a big conspiracy of the makers of

Pampers, Huggies, Luvs, etc. to keep kids in diapers

longer...

A bigger question, is, at age 1, is a child really

potty trained, or is the parent trained to know when

the child is likely to need to go to the potty, and

thus to ask, etc.

My hat goes off, though, to parents who've been able

to train their kids early (which based on my knowledge

base in not very common these days)!

--- Kendra <kendranicole@...>

wrote:

>

> Wow, this actually sounds really late for potty

> training to BEGIN. My

> mom started sitting us on the little kids pot as

> soon as we were able

> to sit up without support for long periods of time

> (about 9 - 10

> months old). I was potty trained by the time I was a

> year old and had

> not started walking at that point. My older sister

> (not affected) was

> potty trained by 14 months. My younger sister (not

> affected) by 10

> months. And my younger brother (not affected) by 15

> months.

>

> I would say 2 years is too late to begin. They're

> old enough to

> communicate and understand when they need to potty.

> Just keep asking

> if they have to go and keep telling them you don't

> want them to go to

> the bathroom in their diaper.

>

> -Kendra

>

>

>

>

>

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