Re: Metabolism question

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What kind of tests were they? What kind of doctor is she seeing? What

does it mean when she says " his vitamin A is fine " ? What is " fine " ?

I agree it's absolutely a digestive issue. An inability to digest fats

usually means that their is a shortage of fat in the diet. What is he

eating/what has he been eating? Is he getting enough fat?

" Children on low-fat diets suffer from growth problems, failure to

thrive & learning disabilities. (Food Chem News 10/3/94) "

http://www.westonaprice.org/mythstruths/mtnutrition.html

I was just listening to a great lecture (from the WAPF 2007

conference) by Donna Wild from Standard Process. It was on nutritional

testing. She said that many tests from doctors come back " fine "

showing no problems. It depends on the kind of test they do. I think

she said blood tests are the ones that don't show much. Also she said

stool tests are less reliable than urine tests.

She said that the most reliable are hair tests and she also talked at

length about diagnosing deficiencies by looking at the fingernails and

tongue.

Ann Marie

On Mar 12, 2008, at 8:48 AM, Viadro wrote:

> Hello,

>

> A friend of mine has an adopted son from Ethiopia who is not growing

> despite eating a lot. (He's around 3.) He had tons and tons of

> antibiotics in his early years (they treated him presumptively for

> TB, among other things), and he had cow's milk formula earliest on

> despite vomiting it all up on a regular basis. He seems like a prime

> GAPS candidate but my friend just had some tests done and they have

> identified a metabolic disorder instead. See excerpt below. My

> question is, wouldn't an inability to digest fatty acids still be a

> digestive issue? Does anyone have any advice or thoughts that I can

> pass on to her? Thanks!

>

>

> " ...his yeast came back fine (unlike mine, which came back high!),

> and his intestinal bacteria came back fine (unlike mine which came

> back that I need probiotics!). I don't know how accurate that is,

> but it's not what I was expecting. Also his Vit. A was fine, as were

> many nutrients, and we'd expected them to all be way off. What came

> back completely screwy were all of his fatty acids. His system looks

> like he eats nothing but Mc's. He appears (from googling the

> results) to have some sort of metabolic problem with fatty acids

> which leads to.....growth retardation! I was not at all expecting

> that. So...I'll talk to [the doctor] about it MOnday, but from

> this, it seems I may have had it all wrong. Also online it says

> this can lead to heart attack and death later in life and that's a

> lifelong battle--the body just does not process fat so although the

> child does not get fat (as it's not being metabolized), it all sits

> there in his system, accumulating in a way it would not for others.

> I am SO glad to have something come back wierd though--at least I

> feel I'm armed a bit better and can perhaps get a metabolic

> specialist in on this "

>

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,

Sounds like this child has a metabolic disorder that is different from

GAPS, although it would be interesting to know how the fatty acids were

skewed. That said, Dr. N. says in her WAPF lecture that many of these

children (like CP, downs syndrome etc) have markedly improved quality

of life on the GAPS diet because they have GAPS issues on top of their

underlying disease. GAPS can't cure the underlying disease, but it can

make the body stronger. But, before switching this child, they should

have a good idea of what is going on metabolically, because you may not

want this child on a high fat diet.

Viadro wrote:

Hello,

A friend of mine has an adopted son from Ethiopia who is not

growing despite eating a lot. (He's around 3.) He had tons and tons of

antibiotics in his early years (they treated him presumptively for TB,

among other things), and he had cow's milk formula earliest on despite

vomiting it all up on a regular basis. He seems like a prime GAPS

candidate but my friend just had some tests done and they have

identified a metabolic disorder instead. See excerpt below. My question

is, wouldn't an inability to digest fatty acids still be a digestive

issue? Does anyone have any advice or thoughts that I can pass on to

her? Thanks!

"...his yeast came back fine (unlike mine, which came back

high!), and his intestinal bacteria came back fine (unlike mine which

came back that I need probiotics!). I don't know how accurate

that is, but it's not what I was expecting. Also his Vit. A was fine,

as were many nutrients, and we'd expected them to all be way off. What

came back completely screwy were all of his fatty acids. His system

looks like he eats nothing but Mc's. He appears (from googling

the results) to have some sort of metabolic problem with fatty acids

which leads to.....growth retardation! I was not at all expecting that.

So...I'll talk to [the doctor] about it MOnday, but from this, it

seems I may have had it all wrong. Also online it says this can lead

to heart attack and death later in life and that's a lifelong

battle--the body just does not process fat so although the child does

not get fat (as it's not being metabolized), it all sits there in

his system, accumulating in a way it would not for others. I am SO

glad to have something come back wierd though--at least I feel I'm

armed a bit better and can perhaps get a metabolic specialist in on

this"

[Guest guest]

Ooooh I would love to know more about this. Does she say who or what would be able to do this type of testing? One thing I've noticed is how my white spots on my nails have been disappearing ever since I've been living on my soup diet....I think it must be the mineral rich stock!!! inasnit@... wrote: She said that the most reliable are hair tests and she also talked at length about diagnosing deficiencies by looking at the fingernails and tongue.Ann Marie

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[Guest guest]

It's a fascinating lecture! I'd have to listen to it again (which I

will) to see who she says does the various types of testing.

White spots on fingernails are due to a zinc deficiency.

Ann Marie

ZINC

Zinc is needed for the health and maintenance of bones, muscles, eyes,

organs and sperm and acts as a co-factor in over 90 enzymes. It is

needed in the liver for the conversion of carotene to plasma Vitamin A.

Lack of Zinc in women can lead to difficulties with parturition

(childbirth). In rat mothers, it has been found to lead to total

avoidance of the offspring - no nest building, no cleaning of pups, no

retrieving of pups who fall out of the nest and no nursing. The mother

rat will go down to the far corner of the cage and refuse to go near

her young. Without help from the laboratory assistants, the rat pups

will die.

I find a deficiency that can have such a profound effect upon a

mammal’s normal emotional development very frightening.

Early signs of zinc deficiency include white spots on the finger

nails, stretch marks on the skin, lank lifeless hair, acne, no

periods, painful knee and hip joints, cold extremities and lack of

taste and spell. Body and breath odour may be increased.

In the foetus, zinc deficiency can cause growth retardation. In the

newborn, anorexia, seborrhoea, loss of hair, apathy and lethargy can

develop. Defects in eyes, kidneys, brain and bones, faulty trunk and

limb development, curvature of the spine, fusion of limbs, reduced

brain size, heart problems and small eyes can occur.

Zinc deficiency in children has been connected with allergic illness,

eczema, learning problems and hyperactivity.

Children suffering from coeliac disease have been found to be short of

zinc.

In the USA, pregnant women are said to need 20mg daily and lactating

women 25mg. USA hospital diets were found to contain an average of

8-9mg daily. Average daily intake in the UK is said to be 7-10mg daily.

The contraceptive pill, fertility drugs, alcohol and cigarettes all

remove zinc from the system. Only 17% of the zinc is left in white

bread after processing, and only 25% in polished rice. Diuretics

increase excretion.

Zinc is found in:

Whole grains, Brewer’s yeast, Wheat germ, All fruit, All vegetables,

Nuts & nut butters , Offal, Meat, Fish, Poultry, Shellfish, Oatmeal,

Whole corn, Eggs, Milk.

http://www.foresight-preconception.org.uk/booklet_roleminerals.htm

On Mar 12, 2008, at 8:59 PM, Vick wrote:

> Ooooh I would love to know more about this. Does she say who or what

> would be able to do this type of testing? One thing I've noticed is

> how my white spots on my nails have been disappearing ever since

> I've been living on my soup diet....I think it must be the mineral

> rich stock!!!

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Also just read this -- phytic acid is known to especially block iron

and zinc in the intestinal tract.

So if you are now eating less phytates that would also explain why

your body is able to absorb more zinc.

http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/ploy.html

Ann Marie

On Mar 12, 2008, at 8:59 PM, Vick wrote:

> Ooooh I would love to know more about this. Does she say who or what

> would be able to do this type of testing? One thing I've noticed is

> how my white spots on my nails have been disappearing ever since

> I've been living on my soup diet....I think it must be the mineral

> rich stock!!!

>

>

>

>

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You can get a hair mineral/toxic elements kit and test at home. We

used MineralCheck (www.bodybalance.com). Google it, though, and price

shop as lots of discount vitamin places sell the kit for less than

bodybalance, and it is the exact same thing. You follow the

directions, snip some hair, and mail it in to be analyzed. Be sure to

follow the shampoo rules, as lots of shampoos have high levels of

things that will skew your results. Also, if you have high minerals in

your water, they can stick to your hair and skew your results.

Vick wrote:

snitgmail wrote:

She said that the most reliable are hair tests and she also talked at

length about diagnosing deficiencies by looking at the fingernails and

tongue.

Ann Marie

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Lots of thoughts on this one. A lot depends on the kind of test that

is done and in conjunction with other tests. We have had yeast

cultures that grew no yeast, but my sons OAT showed lots of

metabolites of yeasts. We have had vitamin A tests that showed

excessive A when the nutritionist said it was impossible unless he

had been supplementing at the time (which he wasn't). We used

another lab that showed borderline low A. I have problems

metabolizing fat and I think it has resulted in significantly low

cholesterol (despite eating plenty) which, I believe, has caused low

vitamin D and DHEA. However, since starting kefir and home-made

yogurt, this has improved.

I don't know enough about metabolic disorders, but it seems to me

this is the second line after digestion. I can't help but wonder if

the lack of primary digestion contributes to the overtaxing of the

rest of the metabolic pathways. In other words, could the lack of

soaking fermenting and eating live enzymes contribute to the

manifestation of metabolic disorders???

Anyway, I agree that even if good nutrition does not heal the

disorder, it can contribute to greater health in general, which can

only improve the situation. You would only want to be aware not to

tax the system with foods that may be toxic in their specific

situation.

Connie

>

> Hello,

>

> A friend of mine has an adopted son from Ethiopia who is not

growing despite eating a lot. (He's around 3.) He had tons and tons

of antibiotics in his early years (they treated him presumptively for

TB, among other things), and he had cow's milk formula earliest on

despite vomiting it all up on a regular basis. He seems like a prime

GAPS candidate but my friend just had some tests done and they have

identified a metabolic disorder instead. See excerpt below. My

question is, wouldn't an inability to digest fatty acids still be a

digestive issue? Does anyone have any advice or thoughts that I can

pass on to her? Thanks!

>

>

> " ...his yeast came back fine (unlike mine, which came back high!),

and his intestinal bacteria came back fine (unlike mine which came

back that I need probiotics!). I don't know how accurate that is,

but it's not what I was expecting. Also his Vit. A was fine, as were

many nutrients, and we'd expected them to all be way off. What came

back completely screwy were all of his fatty acids. His system looks

like he eats nothing but Mc's. He appears (from googling the

results) to have some sort of metabolic problem with fatty acids

which leads to.....growth retardation! I was not at all expecting

that. So...I'll talk to [the doctor] about it MOnday, but from this,

it seems I may have had it all wrong. Also online it says this can

lead to heart attack and death later in life and that's a lifelong

battle--the body just does not process fat so although the child does

not get fat (as it's not being metabolized), it all sits there in his

system, accumulating in a way it would not for others. I am SO glad

to have something come back wierd though--at least I feel I'm armed a

bit better and can perhaps get a metabolic specialist in on this "

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>listening to a great lecture (from the WAPF 2007

>conference) by Donna Wild from Standard Process. It was on nutritional

>testing.

You can easily download that lecture or any other from the link on the WAPF

main page for $13.

Take care,

Alice - HSing mom to Alice (w/DS) born Thanksgiving Day 1995 :-)

Hopewell Junction, NY http://www.frontiernet.net/~castella/

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I don't know enough about metabolic disorders, but it seems to me this is the second line after digestion. I can't help but wonder if the lack of primary digestion contributes to the overtaxing of the rest of the metabolic pathways. In other words, could the lack of soaking fermenting and eating live enzymes contribute to the manifestation of metabolic disorders???Yes!!!  I believe 100% in the truthfulness of what you wrote.  Aside from other problematic things such as antibiotics and vaccinations, I believe that the single biggest reason for our digestive problems, and hence everything else that follows (metabolic disorders, hormonal imbalance, allergies of all kinds, etc.) is that we are eating foods not fit for human consumption.  This means not only manufactured foods & non-foods (soy as a protein intake, for instance), but also what might otherwise be good foods if they were only a.  grown/raised correctly and naturally as well as b. handled appropriately by fermenting, sprouting, culturing, weathering, etc.I know others will disagree with me on some of this, but I do not believe that naturally produced and properly prepared dairy and grain products are inherently bad for humans.  It is a fact of history.  Even in the biblical account of Adam & Eve, Able raised sheep and goats.  I don't think this was just for the making of fabric, and I know it was not until after the flood of Noah's time that meat was eaten, but I believe the earliest people consumed milk from these animals, 'though likely fermented.  And other early cultures raised animals for milk production, and planted grains for their table.  But just as the milk was cultured or fermented, the grains were weathered, sprouted, and/or fermented.  This is not to say that in people who ate a large portion (and sometimes all) of their food intake as grain did not suffer from over consumption of such.  But in populations where people were not enslaved and able to grow or harvest their own foods, often they consumed kefir, yogurt, cheese, fermented breads, etc.  *and were extremely healthy*!It is with the advent of milling, combine harvesting, baking yeast, confinement of animals, and pasteurizing of dairy products that we have begun to have so many problems stemming from damaged gut, as well as lack of nutrition.  Add to this vaccinations and antibiotic usage, and what a nightmare we have made for ourselves and our children!Maureen

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I couldnot have said it any better! Thanks Maureen for such a wise post! Maureen <motherhenof9@...> wrote: It is with the advent of milling, combine harvesting, baking yeast, confinement of animals, and pasteurizing of dairy products that we have begun to have so many problems stemming from damaged gut, as well as lack of nutrition. Add to this vaccinations and antibiotic usage, and what a nightmare we have made for ourselves and our children!

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I think white spots on nails is a sign of mag. deficiency? I know Desh

recently posted about that on DiscssNT. Or someone over there did. I

am thinking Desh cause she is always replying Magn. to people when they

have probs with something I maybe wrong on the type but i know it

is a defic. and quite possibly it could be soemthing in the bone broth

or maybe what healing has come thus far - you are absorbing better

already

>

> Ooooh I would love to know more about this. Does she say who or what

would be able to do this type of testing? One thing I've noticed is how

my white spots on my nails have been disappearing ever since I've been

living on my soup diet....I think it must be the mineral rich stock!!!

>

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