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Guest guest Posted December 14, 2001 Report Share Posted December 14, 2001 Dear sir, I do not require future e-mails on subject. Please take me off your e-mail listing. Thank you, Herman Overholser -----Original Message----- From: [mailto: ] Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 7:10 AM Subject: [] Digest Number 1085 FAIR USE NOTICE: This site contains copyrighted material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are making such material available in our efforts to advance understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic, democracy, scientific, and social justice issues, etc. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. 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RE: Athens family's home overrun by toxic black mold From: " Pat Burgess " <pat@...> 9. VACCINES BREED VICIOUSNESS From: cavegrl777@... 10. RE: Mold prompts walk out of classes From: steve hickey <hickey61570@...> 11. Possible FIX for flashing ads!! From: MMacraven@... 12. Stop the flashing info! From: MMacraven@... 13. Gulf War Vets...ALS Symptoms From: " Armstrong " <hobbflorida@...> 14. computer virus From: " Armstrong " <hobbflorida@...> 15. Fw: 's #738: Environmental Trends--Part 2 From: " Barbara Herskovitz " <bherk@...> 16. Business Lobbyists Asked To Discuss Onerous Rules From: " Barbara Herskovitz " <bherk@...> 17. The nightmare of mold From: " Barbara Herskovitz " <bherk@...> 18. Giant Umbrella's Will Not Solve Global Warming From: " Barbara Herskovitz " <bherk@...> 19. Air pollution poses threat to crop yields From: " Barbara Herskovitz " <bherk@...> 20. Are regional environmental regulators really cracking down on polluters? From: " Barbara Herskovitz " <bherk@...> 21. Fibro in children? From: " tigerpaw2c " <tigerpaw2C@...> ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 07:23:35 -0500 From: " Barbara Herskovitz " <bherk@...> Subject: Texas House committee looks at builders' liability http://www2.caller.com/ccct/local_news/article/0,1641,CCCT_811_906293,00.htm l Panel finds mold issues are difficult Texas House committee looks at builders' liability By Ty Meighan AUSTIN - A House committee examined mold-related issues Tuesday, from the health effects to builders' liability for the increasing number of water damage claims, to stem Texas' ongoing mold insurance crisis. But lawmakers concluded one thing: this problem won't be easy to solve. ''It's a very difficult issue and it's a very far-reaching issue,'' said ee, R-Amarillo and chairman of the House Committee on Insurance. Lawmakers are looking at possible legislative solutions for the surge in mold-related insurance claims and the burgeoning clean-up costs. Those solutions could become bills in the legislative session, which begins in January 2003. State Rep. Senfronia , D-Houston, suggested that shoddy building materials may be contributing to the increase in mold claims. Seeking regulation Some consumer groups are pushing lawmakers to pass legislation to regulate the homebuilding industry. Only invited speakers were allowed to address the lawmakers at the hearing, but ee said the public will have an opportunity at future meetings. Texas Insurance Commissioner Montemayor said water-damage claims in Texas have increased sixfold in the past 18 months, averaging $8,000 per claim. This has led to ''a proliferation of the testing and remediation industry with no standards or guidelines,'' Montemayor said. Increasing mold claims have sparked an attorney general's investigation of clean-up practices in the Corpus Christi area and prompted some insurance companies to stop selling policies in Texas. No new customers The top three insurance companies in Texas are refusing to write the standard policy for new customers, citing rising insurance costs and escalating mold claims. Farmers Insurance Group said it will not renew the policy for existing customers. Farmers has seen a rise from 12 mold claims in 1999 to 8,000 this year, said Huxel, director of governmental affairs for the Farmers Group in Texas and six other states. He added that Farmers is seeing 150 new mold claims daily and is losing $1.5 million a day. Montemayor announced his solution last month, calling for restructuring the state's residential property insurance policies and retaining coverage for removal of mold-related water damage. But he eliminated coverage for high-priced procedures, such as testing, treating, containing or disposing of mold beyond what is necessary to repair or replace water-damaged property damaged. Additional coverage Homeowners can purchase additional coverage - in increments of 25 percent, 50 percent and 100 percent of policy limits - that includes these procedures. Texas Attorney General Cornyn is investigating allegations of price gouging and other questionable practices regarding mold testing and remediation in Nueces County. Nueces County has the most mold-related claims per 1,000 policyholders - 13 - compared with fewer than 1 out of 1,000 in El Paso County, Montemayor said. Contact Ty Meighan at_512-334-6640 or meighant@... December 12, 2001 ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 11:20:21 -0500 From: " Barbara Herskovitz " <bherk@...> Subject: Mold prompts walk out of classes http://www.activedayton.com/ddn/local/1208mold.html West Carrollton students protest Mold prompts walk out of classes By Mong e-mail address: cathy_mong@... Dayton Daily News WEST CARROLLTON | Three-hundred boisterous West Carrollton High School students, many of whom believe their building is " sick " from mold and airborne bacteria, walked out in protest Friday. It could be a long weekend for those students, a quarter of the school's 1,140 enrollment, whose disciplinary fates won't be known until due process proceedings take place, beginning Monday. After an emergency and private school board meeting called Friday to discuss pending or imminent litigation, Superintendent Rusty Clifford said administrators will begin narrowing the list of students involved in the protest, which began about 10:30 a.m. Each student will be notified at school, as will parents, Clifford said. Clifford would not say what disciplinary action would be taken, only that consequences would be meted out. Students said word of the walkout spread Thursday, and fliers were posted in restrooms and on students' lockers. The walkout was a result of heightened frustration with school administrators after months of reports of student and staff illness by teachers, parents teachers, parents and students attending board meetings. " We're sick of seeing our favorite teachers sick, crying on TV, " said Ashely O'Neill, 16, a junior. " That makes us sad. " At least 15 assessments by environmental companies and agencies found varieties of mold in the building. West Carrollton has spent more than $100,000 in testing indoor air quality, replacing ceiling tiles, carpet and pipe insulation, and " all signs of mold have been cleaned, " Clifford said. Those problems have been eliminated, Clifford said, and other causes for reported illnesses - ranging from adult-onset asthma, collapsed lung, respiratory and other breathing problems - are being eliminated one at a time. Clifford said Friday he believes the latest testing will point to problems in the air circulation system within the building. Projects are scheduled during the holiday break, Clifford said, including work on exhaust fans. The building will be " thoroughly cleaned. " Still, the perception of students and parents is that the school board is turning a blind eye to the their suffering. Clifford said that just isn't true, and offered to take the public on tours anytime, as long as they're scheduled. Bill Sommer, a teacher and president of the West Carrollton Teachers Association, said he did not believe Friday's display of civil disobedience to be the proper venue, but supported students' right to protest. " My response as an individual, when asked by students what I thought of a walkout, was there are other ways to show you displeasure. This puts teachers and administrators who may be sympathetic to the cause in a position to have to follow the law, and to actually have to play the part of policeman. " Sommer said it's unreasonable to attempt to block students, " but you can tell them you think they're making a very poor choice. " He said some of the students brainstormed to come up with alternatives to a walkout, such as attending school board meetings and addressing the board and writing letters to newspapers. Some parents showed in support of their children, including Debra Baker, whose handmade sign, " SAVE OUR KIDS " drew a cacophony of horns from passing vehicles. Her son, 17-year-old Harvey Bocock, was diagnosed four years ago with Crone's disease. He has been ill much of this year, she said, with stomach cramps and other problems. " I'm 100 percent behind him, " Baker said. " That's why I'm here. " Many students involved in the walkout expressed serious concerns about the health of themselves, friends or teachers. Others seemed intent on impressing their friends with peeling and squealing and other teen-age attention-getting techniques. The students converged near the parking lot on Student Street, and in a party-like atmosphere, erected tents, played poker and ordered pepperoni pizzas. About 45 minutes later, the group moved to to the north end of the campus, at busy -Bell Road, holding signs and encouraging motorists to " Honk for clean air. " Police slowed traffic approaching the intersection. Sophomore Jon Grillot, 15, said he was ready to camp out near the school for as long as it took to get results. " I'm not being truant, " he said. " I have a lot of people willing to bring me food, and I'll keep up on homework if someone is willing to bring it to me. " Dan , 15, had a doctor's appointment Friday to try to determine what's making breathing difficult. " I also have pain in my lungs. " The last time students left the building en masse was a couple of years ago, amid bomb threats. This is different, they said. " That wasn't real, " Pitzer said. " This is real. " . Contact Mong at 225-2353 or e-mail her at cathy_mong@... [From the Dayton Daily News: 12.08.2001] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 11:24:25 -0500 From: " Barbara Herskovitz " <bherk@...> Subject: Oversight of mold premiums called vital http://www.dallasnews.com/texas_southwest/STORY.eab9506ba6.b0.af.0.a4.a5fe.h tml Oversight of mold premiums called vital Consumer groups lobby panel studying impact of claims 12/12/2001 By TERRENCE STUTZ / The Dallas Morning News AUSTIN - The cost of homeowners' insurance in Texas will continue rising dramatically unless the Legislature acts soon to establish state oversight of insurance rates, a legislative committee was told Tuesday. Consumer groups said the higher premiums that many homeowners confront are primarily the result of most insurers placing their homeowners' policies in subsidiaries that are exempt from rate regulation by the state. Those subsidiaries, called Lloyds companies, control about 95 percent of the homeowners' insurance market in Texas. " A loophole in the law has allowed insurers to move their business into companies with unregulated rates over the last decade, " said Rob Schneider of Consumers Union. The law authorizing Lloyds companies originally was intended to provide coverage for high-risk or hard-to-insure properties. " The Lloyds companies need to be put back [under state regulation] to prevent dramatic increases in premiums from year to year, " he said. But one insurance company representative argued that competition - not state control - is the best way to keep rates down in the future. " Competition is the best regulator, " said Bob Huxel of Farmers Insurance Group, maintaining that companies don't want to lose the pricing flexibility they have with Lloyds companies. Other industry representatives said soaring claims costs for mold damage are a primary factor in the premium increases. The comments came during a hearing of the House Insurance Committee, which is studying insurance rates and the impact of mold claims on those rates. The committee is expected to make recommendations to the next Legislature in 2003. In a related development Tuesday, a House member asked state Insurance Commissioner Montemayor to investigate insurers and their Lloyds companies for imposing excessive rates on homeowners across the state. " I have heard from a number of constituents complaining of excessive premium rate increases, " Rep. Vilma Luna, D-Corpus Christi, wrote the commissioner. " The increases do not appear to be tied to any specific criteria, nor do they correlate to the alleged increased costs due to the recent increase in mold claims, " she said, asking for an investigation of the situation. Mr. Montemayor, who also testified before the House panel on Tuesday, said he has heard similar concerns from other lawmakers and intends to monitor the companies' premium increases. " There are limitations regarding my ability to control rates. But there are tools available to me such as market conduct examinations and state regulations that prohibit unfair discrimination in setting rates, " he said. " I am going to be monitoring insurance rates very closely to make sure consumers are not being treated unfairly. " The commissioner said he believes that his recent order to limit mold coverage in homeowners' insurance policies will help restore stability to the market and premiums that Texans are paying. Most homeowners will retain some protection against mold under the order, but expensive procedures such as air testing and disposal of mold-contaminated items will be eliminated. Protected losses will be limited to repair or replacement of property physically damaged by water or mold that results from a water leak. The order also requires insurers to offer additional coverage against mold damage for an additional premium. But Mr. Schneider and other consumer representatives predicted the premiums for mold coverage will be prohibitive for most homeowners. " There is no guarantee consumers will be able to afford additional coverage even if they wanted to buy it, " he said, noting those premiums are outside state control because of the Lloyds loophole. " Companies are not interested in offering mold coverage. So it is difficult to believe they will price it in a way where many people can afford it, " he said. Several years ago, lawmakers considered putting Lloyds companies under rate regulation but backed away because those companies were touted for their competitive rates. Now, most Lloyds companies charge premiums higher than the standard rates set annually by the commissioner. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 11:28:23 -0500 From: " Barbara Herskovitz " <bherk@...> Subject: Waters Elementary School Classes Cancelled Due to Flood http://home.abc28.com/Global/story.asp?S=581513 & amp;nav=0zGK1FGI68rN Kerry Drennan, Lubbock Elementary Classes Cancelled Due to Flood Waters Elementary School is temporarily closed because of a weekend flood. A pipe broke in the kitchen late Saturday and leaked for the rest of the weekend. When employees got to work this morning, they found about two inches of standing water throughout the school. Classes were cancelled Monday and Tuesday, but kids should be back to class on Wednesday. Cleanup crews will work non-stop to dry out the school so classes can get back on track. We made the call to go ahead and ask parents to take their children home, " said Assistant Superintendent Anne Graves. " We've got lots of vacuuming going on of course -- this building is almost totally carpeted, so we've got to make sure we've got all that water picked up. " LISD officials said all the carpeting will be torn out because of concerns about mold. Parents were notified shortly after dropping their kids off that they needed to come back to pick them up. " Well it was a shock when we got here this morning and we just took the kids to the gym and called all our parents, " said Elissa McLemore, whose 5-year-old daughter was not exactly heartbroken to miss class. " She wants to go home and watch cartoons, which I'm sure 650 other children are doing right now, " McLemore said. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 11:33:15 -0500 From: " Barbara Herskovitz " <bherk@...> Subject: Carpentersville pupils to return in early January http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ School's mold cleanup done Carpentersville pupils to return in early January By Cheryl Meyer Special To the Tribune Published December 11, 2001 Pupils attending Woodland Elementary School missed the whole first week of classes because of mold problems in the building, and they have been going to school in makeshift classrooms since. Next week, they'll get one more unscheduled day off , but for a happier reason--to let teachers get the building ready for their return. At a School District 220 board meeting Monday night, Supt. Herrmann said the project to correct the problem is being completed at a very opportune time. " In terms of timing, it makes for a smooth transition, " she said. " Students will be able to start fresh in January at Woodland. " Teachers will move back into Woodland, which is in Carpentersville, on Dec. 21, and their pupils will have that day off. Winter vacation begins the next day. After the furniture and supplies are moved in, teachers will have until Jan. 7 to prepare their classrooms. The pupils will not have to make up the missed school days because make-up days are determined by a districtwide average. About 400 children in grades 1 through 4 have been going to school in clusters of classrooms at Barrington High School while work was done at Woodland. The kindergartners who would have attended Woodland this year were moved to vacant classrooms at Sunny Hill Elementary, and about 100 early-childhood education students were divided among four other elementary schools. Woodland was closed just days before school was to start after parents complained to the Kane County Health Department about mold and water damage throughout the building. A subsequent inspection revealed elevated mold levels in many area of the school. Some of the mold was found in damp carpeting that was glued to asbestos tile. In addition to getting rid of mold and asbestos, a new roof was put on the building to prevent further water damage. Mold and asbestos tests done after the work was completed indicate that the building is safe. " We obviously wouldn't move students and teachers back into that building without the approvals from both the regional superintendent and the Health Department, " board President Jane Hansen said. Copyright © 2001, Chicago Tribune ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 11:43:50 -0500 From: " Barbara Herskovitz " <bherk@...> Subject: Athens family's home overrun by toxic black mold http://www.athensreview.com/display/inn_news/news17.txt Athens family's home overrun by toxic black mold By Art Lawler The Bowden family loves to restore old houses. So much so that they moved from Irving to Athens about a year and a half ago. Cliff Bowden and his wife Robin had a vision of what could be done with the two-story house near downtown Athens. It was built sometime in the 1920s, and in recent years yellow siding had been added. " We love old houses, and we were rehabilitating this one, " Mrs. Bowden said. But the couple's plans have been put on hold. Red signs on the front and back doors warn visitors: " Do Not Enter. Mold contamination. Personal protection equipment required. The electricity is off and the rooms are dark. " The Bowdens and their three children have moved into a rent home -- at least for now. The problems that have plagued County Courthouse officials in recent years also plague this house, only worse. Stachbotrys mold has been found at the home. Stachbotrys is not to be confused with Aspergillous, the kind of mold the county has been trying to get rid of in the courthouse. Stachbotrys is better known as toxic black mold. The house, Mrs. Bowden said Friday, will have to come down. " As we understand it, the house will have to be taken down, and then the land will have to be vacant for a period of time (about two months) and then it'll be rebuilt. " " They told us to be prepared to be out of our home for a year, " she said. " We're getting estimates now for having it taken down. " How did the Bowden's get themselves in such a gigantic mess? Well, Mrs. Bowden was having some work done on the house recently when she realized it had a lot of water damage. When she called a company to have it repaired, she was advised to have the house tested. That's where Dan Guiter comes in. He's the president of Southwest Indoor Environmental Corporation, an indoor quality air-testing firm based in Seven Points. He inspected the house and made a report. " We chose to move the people out to prevent any further exposure, as a health precaution, " Guiter said. " Some mold is located in the house, but it's really suffering from more than mold. It has lost its building integrity. " The house, he said, does not keep out moisture. " They have several areas of problems that have come up over the years that are insured losses, " Guiter said. " These people worked so hard on their dream house, " said Guiter. " It's beautiful inside. It's just a sad situation. " " To remediate the mold situation like this, you have to remove all the damaged sheet rock, " Guiter said. " They'll have to sand, or scrape, all the mold off the structural material and the studs. They'll have to replace anything that can't be cleaned. " The air conditioner ducts will have to be cleaned or replaced, as well as the coils. " They'll normally spray an anti-microbial coating over everything, " he said. " That seals it, and it also prevents any microbial growth in the future. " Mrs. Bowden said it was her understanding that the current material would have to be removed from the site and a new home built. But even if that happens, she said they plan to stay on the site and move into a new house within a year. Whether any, all, or part of the old house goes back up, the fact is, all of this happened in Athens, primarily because of mold. Guiter said mold can grow anywhere there's free water, but there has to be a food source like cellulose paper to feed on. " It doesn't discriminate, " he said. " It attacks new houses as well as old ones. I've seen it show up in houses that weren't completely built. " Anything that has paper on the front, sheet rock, wall paper and books will do, " Guiter said. " It will also grow on any kind of books, magazines, newspapers and any kind of fabric. " He said mold is very useful outdoors because it decays everything back to nothing. But indoors, it causes serious health problems. He said those most susceptible to mold diseases are infants less than 12 months old, and the elderly. " It pushes the system down, " he said. " You catch everything that goes around because (the immune system) is suppressed. " He doesn't rule out the dangers of Aspergillous mold either. " Strains of Aspergillous will grow in your body, " he said. " It's an opportunistic pathogen that will jump on an immune system that is compromised pretty quick. Furthermore, he said, there are allergens in mold spores. " It doesn't matter if mold is alive. Allergens in the mold spores are just as potent in a dead cell as a live cell. " Should people in the Athens area be concerned about mold levels in the community? " Not just Athens, " he said. " It's everywhere. " ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 12:40:09 -0500 From: " Pat Burgess " <pat@...> Subject: RE: Mold prompts walk out of classes Hi! Thank you for the article on West Carrollton, where the students walked out because they were sick at school. My concern is, West Carrollton, Where? I live in Georgia and there is a West Carrolton here, but since it doesn't say Georgia, I can't be sure. The other confusing thing is that this was an article from the Dayton Daily news--OH? I an trying to compile as much local news (along with regional or national) to have as part of the arsenal when fighting the insurance company. My thought right now, is that it is valuable to have local information, so that any possibility of the insurance company saying.. " Well, that happened in another part of the country " , is nipped in the bud. Don't know if this is valid, but since I'll be fighting this claim in GA, I don't want to take any chances. It would be so helpful if we could have the date, city and state where the issue is taking place, and the publication it appeared in--and if possible the journalists name. Thank you so much! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2002 Report Share Posted April 15, 2002 SOS! Remind me quick of all the reasons I shouldn't have diet pop! I am sticking to HB's and have lost 5 lbs. since last week - no grains at all. Today I craved a sweet and thought the best of all evils would be a diet pop, had one then had another an hour later. Tasted so good - OOPS maybe I am starting to know why my joints are starting to hurt. Cheers, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2003 Report Share Posted September 21, 2003 Terri: I read with great interest all the inquiries and answers. But I have a few questions myself. My viral load before starting was only 140,000. Which is considered low so hopefully my treatment will go well.In this posting someone mentioned that the enzymes were a good measurement of how things are going. All my Drs. have told me that they are the poorest measurement of the treatment progress. Second question. I was told that I needed to prepare for the head warfare that I would have and I went on the anti-depreasents the 2nd week of treatment. The effects of that were far worst than any of the meds I was taking, so they aren't for everyone. I am like 99.9% of all you I'm like a sponge and I want to absorb as much info as I can. I'm in week 5 and each week it is getting easier to deal with. I'm taking the weekly shot and daily rebetrol(1200MG). I am confident that With Gods strength and support from each other we will all be better people. My e-mail address is eddiehinman@... and it is on all the time. I welcome any questions about this terrible illness. I have personally found that we as patients often know as much or more than alot of the Drs. Thanks for the vent. "Be what you is, not what you ain't. Cause when you is what you ain't, then you ain't what you is."EDDIE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 I haven't posted to the list before, but I have a somewhat unique perspective to the certification question. I have received neurofeedback training (for a brain injury from a car accident) both from a " non-certified " practicitioner that has been doing neurofedback for almost 20 years and also from a " certified " practioner with a PhD that has been doing neurofeedback for just a few years. I would recommend the " non-certified " practioner that has been doing neurofeedback for almost twenty years to anyone I know. The " certified " practitioner with just a few years of neurofeedback experience I would warn those I know to avoid because they would be wasting their time and money, or worse. I know that from my limited experience I can not infer that all " certified " practitioners are bad, and all " non-certified " practitioners are good, that of course would be illogical. But I think I can make a strong argument that " certification " does not make a practitioner good. Nor does lack of certification make a practitioner bad. For certification to actually mean something, the certification process would have to insure that a certified practitioner was good (and that a good practitioner could be certified). From my experience the current system does not adequately do that. I had great results receiving neurofeedback because the practitioner knew what he was doing; I really don't care if he is certified or not. But I moved and I had to find a new neurofeedback provider. She had all the credentials but unfortunately the neurofeedback I received from her was a waste of time and money, and therefore has caused a huge setback for me. I really believe she just doesn't " get " neurofeedback. I have talked to several others in the area with credentials that don't have the knowledge and experience necesary to properly treat a brain injury. My options were to pay someone $130 an hour while I trained them how to treat my condition, or to purchase my own equipment and teach myself. Now the person that wasn't doing the neurofeedback well thinks I shouldn't be allowed to practice neurofeedback, when I knew enough to tell what she was doing wrong just from what I had read and the questions I had asked throughout my neurofeedback sessions with someone very knowledgable. (After I get proper neurofeedback training, I know I will be a better neurofeedback practitioner than she is). I don't think having a PhD in Psychology automatically gives someone an aptitude for neurofeedback. I don't believe most psychologists have had any training in neuroscience. There are alot of differences between Psychology and Neuroscience, with very different approaches. The practice of psychology is very subjective, neuroscience is much more objective. Neurofeedback requires an aptitude for technology, and an ability to correlate multiple variables and constraints; someone who has been doing talk therapy has probably not been involved with either in a professional arena. For anyone who thinks a particular type of degree should be required in order to practice neurofeedback, wouldn't it make more sense to require a degree specifically in Neuropsychology? (then psychologists wanting to practice neurofeedback would also need to get their degree in neuropsychology as well). All I know for sure is that when it comes to having someone work with MY brain, I'm more concerned with the knowledge that is Their brain, than what letters come after their name. Kathleen Mancini Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 I can atest to the fact that a psychologist that knows physiology, electronics, eeg machinery and software is a rare bird indeed. Those that do really should wonder what certification is about - have we not juggled enough different interests and learned enough of these different fields to now be asked to study for certification? Keeping current in neurofeedback is quite a task in itself let alone psychology and physiology. Keep in mind that most of us are also learning to manage a small businesses while trying to make a decent living with insurance companies and struggling middle class parents paying the bills. Psychology and neurofeedback is a unique combination and one that would resist quantification - as for neuropsychology that's not even close to our field. There are those who are students and those who are pioneers - guess where we stand?Kathleen Mancini <mancini@...> wrote: I haven't posted to the list before, but I have a somewhat uniqueperspective to the certification question. I have received neurofeedbacktraining (for a brain injury from a car accident) both from a"non-certified" practicitioner that has been doing neurofedback for almost20 years and also from a "certified" practioner with a PhD that has beendoing neurofeedback for just a few years. I would recommend the"non-certified" practioner that has been doing neurofeedback for almosttwenty years to anyone I know. The "certified" practitioner with just afew years of neurofeedback experience I would warn those I know to avoidbecause they would be wasting their time and money, or worse.I know that from my limited experience I can not infer that all "certified"practitioners are bad, and all "non-certified" practitioners are good, thatof course would be illogical. But I think I can make a strong argumentthat "certification" does not make a practitioner good. Nor does lack ofcertification make a practitioner bad. For certification to actually meansomething, the certification process would have to insure that a certifiedpractitioner was good (and that a good practitioner could be certified). From my experience the current system does not adequately do that. I had great results receiving neurofeedback because the practitioner knewwhat he was doing; I really don't care if he is certified or not. But Imoved and I had to find a new neurofeedback provider. She had all thecredentials but unfortunately the neurofeedback I received from her was awaste of time and money, and therefore has caused a huge setback for me. Ireally believe she just doesn't "get" neurofeedback. I have talked toseveral others in the area with credentials that don't have the knowledgeand experience necesary to properly treat a brain injury. My options wereto pay someone $130 an hour while I trained them how to treat my condition,or to purchase my own equipment and teach myself. Now the person thatwasn't doing the neurofeedback well thinks I shouldn't be allowed topractice neurofeedback, when I knew enough to tell what she was doing wrongjust from what I had read and the questions I had asked throughout myneurofeedback sessions with someone very knowledgable. (After I getproper neurofeedback training, I know I will be a better neurofeedbackpractitioner than she is).I don't think having a PhD in Psychology automatically gives someone anaptitude for neurofeedback. I don't believe most psychologists have hadany training in neuroscience. There are alot of differences betweenPsychology and Neuroscience, with very different approaches. The practiceof psychology is very subjective, neuroscience is much more objective. Neurofeedback requires an aptitude for technology, and an ability tocorrelate multiple variables and constraints; someone who has been doingtalk therapy has probably not been involved with either in a professionalarena. For anyone who thinks a particular type of degree should berequired in order to practice neurofeedback, wouldn't it make more sense torequire a degree specifically in Neuropsychology? (then psychologistswanting to practice neurofeedback would also need to get their degree inneuropsychology as well).All I know for sure is that when it comes to having someone work with MYbrain, I'm more concerned with the knowledge that is Their brain, than whatletters come after their name.Kathleen ManciniDeb Lefort MFTSomatic PsychotherapistLivermore, Ca. 925 245 0666 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2005 Report Share Posted May 9, 2005 " I don't believe most psychologists have had any training in neuroscience. There are alot of differences between Psychology and Neuroscience, with very different approaches. The practice of psychology is very subjective, neuroscience is much more objective. " Psychology is neuroscience. Saying a psychologist doesn't have training in neuroscience is like saying an English professor doesn't get any training in language. > I haven't posted to the list before, but I have a somewhat unique > perspective to the certification question. I have received neurofeedback > training (for a brain injury from a car accident) both from a > " non-certified " practicitioner that has been doing neurofedback for almost > 20 years and also from a " certified " practioner with a PhD that has been > doing neurofeedback for just a few years. I would recommend the > " non-certified " practioner that has been doing neurofeedback for almost > twenty years to anyone I know. The " certified " practitioner with just a > few years of neurofeedback experience I would warn those I know to avoid > because they would be wasting their time and money, or worse. > > I know that from my limited experience I can not infer that all " certified " > practitioners are bad, and all " non-certified " practitioners are good, that > of course would be illogical. But I think I can make a strong argument > that " certification " does not make a practitioner good. Nor does lack of > certification make a practitioner bad. For certification to actually mean > something, the certification process would have to insure that a certified > practitioner was good (and that a good practitioner could be certified). > From my experience the current system does not adequately do that. > > I had great results receiving neurofeedback because the practitioner knew > what he was doing; I really don't care if he is certified or not. But I > moved and I had to find a new neurofeedback provider. She had all the > credentials but unfortunately the neurofeedback I received from her was a > waste of time and money, and therefore has caused a huge setback for me. I > really believe she just doesn't " get " neurofeedback. I have talked to > several others in the area with credentials that don't have the knowledge > and experience necesary to properly treat a brain injury. My options were > to pay someone $130 an hour while I trained them how to treat my condition, > or to purchase my own equipment and teach myself. Now the person that > wasn't doing the neurofeedback well thinks I shouldn't be allowed to > practice neurofeedback, when I knew enough to tell what she was doing wrong > just from what I had read and the questions I had asked throughout my > neurofeedback sessions with someone very knowledgable. (After I get > proper neurofeedback training, I know I will be a better neurofeedback > practitioner than she is). > > I don't think having a PhD in Psychology automatically gives someone an > aptitude for neurofeedback. I don't believe most psychologists have had > any training in neuroscience. There are alot of differences between > Psychology and Neuroscience, with very different approaches. The practice > of psychology is very subjective, neuroscience is much more objective. > Neurofeedback requires an aptitude for technology, and an ability to > correlate multiple variables and constraints; someone who has been doing > talk therapy has probably not been involved with either in a professional > arena. For anyone who thinks a particular type of degree should be > required in order to practice neurofeedback, wouldn't it make more sense to > require a degree specifically in Neuropsychology? (then psychologists > wanting to practice neurofeedback would also need to get their degree in > neuropsychology as well). > > All I know for sure is that when it comes to having someone work with MY > brain, I'm more concerned with the knowledge that is Their brain, than what > letters come after their name. > > Kathleen Mancini Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2005 Report Share Posted May 9, 2005 I think there is some difficulty making generalizations based upon experience with only a few therapists. True, some non-psychologist therapists are more effective than licensed psychologists, but that doesn't mean psychologists as a whole are deficient. Also, I question the view that psychology is less technical and more subjective than neuroscience. The psychology that I do, and that of many like me, is research based and involves countless mathematical calculations and logical problem solving. There is a subjective element, but that is often based upon years of observation and working with clients. (In my case, I have found many of my intuitions later supported by research findings.) Finally, I am not sure that a liking for a particular therapist is a good indicator of their skill level. Therapists who are confident, verbal, and diplomatic may be well received by clients, but they may lack underlying conceptual skills to understand basic central issues. In terms of psychological reports, I have read many verbose and rambling reports that say nothing, yet impress clients, while a more concise report that accurately identifies problems and makes appropriate recommendations is discounted. You do make many worthwhile points, and I am happy for your progress. L. > > I haven't posted to the list before, but I have a somewhat unique > > perspective to the certification question. I have received > neurofeedback > > training (for a brain injury from a car accident) both from a > > " non-certified " practicitioner that has been doing neurofedback for > almost > > 20 years and also from a " certified " practioner with a PhD that has > been > > doing neurofeedback for just a few years. I would recommend the > > " non-certified " practioner that has been doing neurofeedback for > almost > > twenty years to anyone I know. The " certified " practitioner with > just a > > few years of neurofeedback experience I would warn those I know to > avoid > > because they would be wasting their time and money, or worse. > > > > I know that from my limited experience I can not infer that > all " certified " > > practitioners are bad, and all " non-certified " practitioners are > good, that > > of course would be illogical. But I think I can make a strong > argument > > that " certification " does not make a practitioner good. Nor does > lack of > > certification make a practitioner bad. For certification to > actually mean > > something, the certification process would have to insure that a > certified > > practitioner was good (and that a good practitioner could be > certified). > > From my experience the current system does not adequately do that. > > > > I had great results receiving neurofeedback because the > practitioner knew > > what he was doing; I really don't care if he is certified or not. > But I > > moved and I had to find a new neurofeedback provider. She had all > the > > credentials but unfortunately the neurofeedback I received from her > was a > > waste of time and money, and therefore has caused a huge setback > for me. I > > really believe she just doesn't " get " neurofeedback. I have talked > to > > several others in the area with credentials that don't have the > knowledge > > and experience necesary to properly treat a brain injury. My > options were > > to pay someone $130 an hour while I trained them how to treat my > condition, > > or to purchase my own equipment and teach myself. Now the person > that > > wasn't doing the neurofeedback well thinks I shouldn't be allowed to > > practice neurofeedback, when I knew enough to tell what she was > doing wrong > > just from what I had read and the questions I had asked throughout > my > > neurofeedback sessions with someone very knowledgable. (After I > get > > proper neurofeedback training, I know I will be a better > neurofeedback > > practitioner than she is). > > > > I don't think having a PhD in Psychology automatically gives > someone an > > aptitude for neurofeedback. I don't believe most psychologists > have had > > any training in neuroscience. There are alot of differences between > > Psychology and Neuroscience, with very different approaches. The > practice > > of psychology is very subjective, neuroscience is much more > objective. > > Neurofeedback requires an aptitude for technology, and an ability to > > correlate multiple variables and constraints; someone who has been > doing > > talk therapy has probably not been involved with either in a > professional > > arena. For anyone who thinks a particular type of degree should be > > required in order to practice neurofeedback, wouldn't it make more > sense to > > require a degree specifically in Neuropsychology? (then > psychologists > > wanting to practice neurofeedback would also need to get their > degree in > > neuropsychology as well). > > > > All I know for sure is that when it comes to having someone work > with MY > > brain, I'm more concerned with the knowledge that is Their brain, > than what > > letters come after their name. > > > > Kathleen Mancini Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2005 Report Share Posted May 9, 2005 FYI-Since there has been some discussion in the last few days about who is most qualified to practice neurofeedback, I thought it was important to let people know the law, at least in my state where there are many types of providers. The law in Virginia states that while it is still legal in Virginia for anyone to provide biofeedback, it is illegal for him/her to do so for a fee unless they have a mental health or medical license. And in most other states this is also the case. Best to check it out!On May 8, 2005, at 12:57 AM, Debaney Lefort wrote: I can atest to the fact that a psychologist that knows physiology, electronics, eeg machinery and software is a rare bird indeed. Those that do really should wonder what certification is about - have we not juggled enough different interests and learned enough of these different fields to now be asked to study for certification? Keeping current in neurofeedback is quite a task in itself let alone psychology and physiology. Keep in mind that most of us are also learning to manage a small businesses while trying to make a decent living with insurance companies and struggling middle class parents paying the bills. Psychology and neurofeedback is a unique combination and one that would resist quantification - as for neuropsychology that's not even close to our field. There are those who are students and those who are pioneers - guess where we stand?Kathleen Mancini <mancini@...> wrote: I haven't posted to the list before, but I have a somewhat uniqueperspective to the certification question. I have received neurofeedbacktraining (for a brain injury from a car accident) both from a"non-certified" practicitioner that has been doing neurofedback for almost20 years and also from a "certified" practioner with a PhD that has beendoing neurofeedback for just a few years. I would recommend the"non-certified" practioner that has been doing neurofeedback for almosttwenty years to anyone I know. The "certified" practitioner with just afew years of neurofeedback experience I would warn those I know to avoidbecause they would be wasting their time and money, or worse.I know that from my limited experience I can not infer that all "certified"practitioners are bad, and all "non-certified" practitioners are good, thatof course would be illogical. But I think I can make a strong argumentthat "certification" does not make a practitioner good. Nor does lack ofcertification make a practitioner bad. For certification to actually meansomething, the certification process would have to insure that a certifiedpractitioner was good (and that a good practitioner could be certified). From my experience the current system does not adequately do that. I had great results receiving neurofeedback because the practitioner knewwhat he was doing; I really don't care if he is certified or not. But Imoved and I had to find a new neurofeedback provider. She had all thecredentials but unfortunately the neurofeedback I received from her was awaste of time and money, and therefore has caused a huge setback for me. Ireally believe she just doesn't "get" neurofeedback. I have talked toseveral others in the area with credentials that don't have the knowledgeand experience necesary to properly treat a brain injury. My options wereto pay someone $130 an hour while I trained them how to treat my condition,or to purchase my own equipment and teach myself. Now the person thatwasn't doing the neurofeedback well thinks I shouldn't be allowed topractice neurofeedback, when I knew enough to tell what she was doing wrongjust from what I had read and the questions I had asked throughout myneurofeedback sessions with someone very knowledgable. (After I getproper neurofeedback training, I know I will be a better neurofeedbackpractitioner than she is).I don't think having a PhD in Psychology automatically gives someone anaptitude for neurofeedback. I don't believe most psychologists have hadany training in neuroscience. There are alot of differences betweenPsychology and Neuroscience, with very different approaches. The practiceof psychology is very subjective, neuroscience is much more objective. Neurofeedback requires an aptitude for technology, and an ability tocorrelate multiple variables and constraints; someone who has been doingtalk therapy has probably not been involved with either in a professionalarena. For anyone who thinks a particular type of degree should berequired in order to practice neurofeedback, wouldn't it make more sense torequire a degree specifically in Neuropsychology? (then psychologistswanting to practice neurofeedback would also need to get their degree inneuropsychology as well).All I know for sure is that when it comes to having someone work with MYbrain, I'm more concerned with the knowledge that is Their brain, than whatletters come after their name.Kathleen ManciniDeb Lefort MFTSomatic PsychotherapistLivermore, Ca. 925 245 0666 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 Born and raised in California - but thanks for the heads up - not to ever even think about moving to Virginia : / debJane Pyrak <ajandwam@...> wrote: FYI- Since there has been some discussion in the last few days about who is most qualified to practice neurofeedback, I thought it was important to let people know the law, at least in my state where there are many types of providers. The law in Virginia states that while it is still legal in Virginia for anyone to provide biofeedback, it is illegal for him/her to do so for a fee unless they have a mental health or medical license. And in most other states this is also the case. Best to check it out! On May 8, 2005, at 12:57 AM, Debaney Lefort wrote: I can atest to the fact that a psychologist that knows physiology, electronics, eeg machinery and software is a rare bird indeed. Those that do really should wonder what certification is about - have we not juggled enough different interests and learned enough of these different fields to now be asked to study for certification? Keeping current in neurofeedback is quite a task in itself let alone psychology and physiology. Keep in mind that most of us are also learning to manage a small businesses while trying to make a decent living with insurance companies and struggling middle class parents paying the bills. Psychology and neurofeedback is a unique combination and one that would resist quantification - as for neuropsychology that's not even close to our field. There are those who are students and those who are pioneers - guess where we stand?Kathleen Mancini <mancini@...> wrote: I haven't posted to the list before, but I have a somewhat uniqueperspective to the certification question. I have received neurofeedbacktraining (for a brain injury from a car accident) both from a"non-certified" practicitioner that has been doing neurofedback for almost20 years and also from a "certified" practioner with a PhD that has beendoing neurofeedback for just a few years. I would recommend the"non-certified" practioner that has been doing neurofeedback for almosttwenty years to anyone I know. The "certified" practitioner with just afew years of neurofeedback experience I would warn those I know to avoidbecause they would be wasting their time and money, or worse.I know that from my limited experience I can not infer that all "certified"practitioners are bad, and all "non-certified" practitioners are good, thatof course would be illogical. But I think I can make a strong argumentthat "certification" does not make a practitioner good. Nor does lack ofcertification make a practitioner bad. For certification to actually meansomething, the certification process would have to insure that a certifiedpractitioner was good (and that a good practitioner could be certified). From my experience the current system does not adequately do that. I had great results receiving neurofeedback because the practitioner knewwhat he was doing; I really don't care if he is certified or not. But Imoved and I had to find a new neurofeedback provider. She had all thecredentials but unfortunately the neurofeedback I received from her was awaste of time and money, and therefore has caused a huge setback for me. Ireally believe she just doesn't "get" neurofeedback. I have talked toseveral others in the area with credentials that don't have the knowledgeand experience necesary to properly treat a brain injury. My options wereto pay someone $130 an hour while I trained them how to treat my condition,or to purchase my own equipment and teach myself. Now the person thatwasn't doing the neurofeedback well thinks I shouldn't be allowed topractice neurofeedback, when I knew enough to tell what she was doing wrongjust from what I had read and the questions I had asked throughout myneurofeedback sessions with someone very knowledgable. (After I getproper neurofeedback training, I know I will be a better neurofeedbackpractitioner than she is).I don't think having a PhD in Psychology automatically gives someone anaptitude for neurofeedback. I don't believe most psychologists have hadany training in neuroscience. There are alot of differences betweenPsychology and Neuroscience, with very different approaches. The practiceof psychology is very subjective, neuroscience is much more objective. Neurofeedback requires an aptitude for technology, and an ability tocorrelate multiple variables and constraints; someone who has been doingtalk therapy has probably not been involved with either in a professionalarena. For anyone who thinks a particular type of degree should berequired in order to practice neurofeedback, wouldn't it make more sense torequire a degree specifically in Neuropsychology? (then psychologistswanting to practice neurofeedback would also need to get their degree inneuropsychology as well).All I know for sure is that when it comes to having someone work with MYbrain, I'm more concerned with the knowledge that is Their brain, than whatletters come after their name.Kathleen ManciniDeb Lefort MFTSomatic PsychotherapistLivermore, Ca. 925 245 0666 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 FYI : I am a State Licensed Mental Health Professional - Deb Lefort MFT with undergraduate degree in Biology with emphasis on Physiology - Baccalaraet paper on Stress, Debaney Lefort <debaney2000@...> wrote: Born and raised in California - but thanks for the heads up - not to ever even think about moving to Virginia : / debJane Pyrak <ajandwam@...> wrote: FYI- Since there has been some discussion in the last few days about who is most qualified to practice neurofeedback, I thought it was important to let people know the law, at least in my state where there are many types of providers. The law in Virginia states that while it is still legal in Virginia for anyone to provide biofeedback, it is illegal for him/her to do so for a fee unless they have a mental health or medical license. And in most other states this is also the case. Best to check it out! On May 8, 2005, at 12:57 AM, Debaney Lefort wrote: I can atest to the fact that a psychologist that knows physiology, electronics, eeg machinery and software is a rare bird indeed. Those that do really should wonder what certification is about - have we not juggled enough different interests and learned enough of these different fields to now be asked to study for certification? Keeping current in neurofeedback is quite a task in itself let alone psychology and physiology. Keep in mind that most of us are also learning to manage a small businesses while trying to make a decent living with insurance companies and struggling middle class parents paying the bills. Psychology and neurofeedback is a unique combination and one that would resist quantification - as for neuropsychology that's not even close to our field. There are those who are students and those who are pioneers - guess where we stand?Kathleen Mancini <mancini@...> wrote: I haven't posted to the list before, but I have a somewhat uniqueperspective to the certification question. I have received neurofeedbacktraining (for a brain injury from a car accident) both from a"non-certified" practicitioner that has been doing neurofedback for almost20 years and also from a "certified" practioner with a PhD that has beendoing neurofeedback for just a few years. I would recommend the"non-certified" practioner that has been doing neurofeedback for almosttwenty years to anyone I know. The "certified" practitioner with just afew years of neurofeedback experience I would warn those I know to avoidbecause they would be wasting their time and money, or worse.I know that from my limited experience I can not infer that all "certified"practitioners are bad, and all "non-certified" practitioners are good, thatof course would be illogical. But I think I can make a strong argumentthat "certification" does not make a practitioner good. Nor does lack ofcertification make a practitioner bad. For certification to actually meansomething, the certification process would have to insure that a certifiedpractitioner was good (and that a good practitioner could be certified). From my experience the current system does not adequately do that. I had great results receiving neurofeedback because the practitioner knewwhat he was doing; I really don't care if he is certified or not. But Imoved and I had to find a new neurofeedback provider. She had all thecredentials but unfortunately the neurofeedback I received from her was awaste of time and money, and therefore has caused a huge setback for me. Ireally believe she just doesn't "get" neurofeedback. I have talked toseveral others in the area with credentials that don't have the knowledgeand experience necesary to properly treat a brain injury. My options wereto pay someone $130 an hour while I trained them how to treat my condition,or to purchase my own equipment and teach myself. Now the person thatwasn't doing the neurofeedback well thinks I shouldn't be allowed topractice neurofeedback, when I knew enough to tell what she was doing wrongjust from what I had read and the questions I had asked throughout myneurofeedback sessions with someone very knowledgable. (After I getproper neurofeedback training, I know I will be a better neurofeedbackpractitioner than she is).I don't think having a PhD in Psychology automatically gives someone anaptitude for neurofeedback. I don't believe most psychologists have hadany training in neuroscience. There are alot of differences betweenPsychology and Neuroscience, with very different approaches. The practiceof psychology is very subjective, neuroscience is much more objective. Neurofeedback requires an aptitude for technology, and an ability tocorrelate multiple variables and constraints; someone who has been doingtalk therapy has probably not been involved with either in a professionalarena. For anyone who thinks a particular type of degree should berequired in order to practice neurofeedback, wouldn't it make more sense torequire a degree specifically in Neuropsychology? (then psychologistswanting to practice neurofeedback would also need to get their degree inneuropsychology as well).All I know for sure is that when it comes to having someone work with MYbrain, I'm more concerned with the knowledge that is Their brain, than whatletters come after their name.Kathleen ManciniDeb Lefort MFTSomatic PsychotherapistLivermore, Ca. 925 245 0666 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 In a message dated 3/17/2006 2:23:34 P.M. Central Standard Time, writes: I took nystatin powder for 1 1/2 years without any problems, and it still helped me cure my candida. I wrote the other day introducing myself and have not had a response. Perhaps you will find my letter in the postings. I got some nystatin powder from my pharmacist this week but he said, and the product says, for topical use only. He said it was very important not to take it internally. I do remember taking it orally many years ago. So are there different versions of nystatin powder? Where do I get the one that can be used orally? And is that same powder okay to use as a douche and enema? Marge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 In a message dated 3/17/2006 2:23:34 P.M. Central Standard Time, writes: Message: 2 Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 12:41:04 -0000 From: " Bee Wilder " <beeisbuzzing2003@...> Subject: Re: Drinking Water & Lemon Juice & Healing Reaction I am wondering if I may be having a healing reaction too. As I was undressing tonight my hand felt a slick wetness under a breast. I had not had pain. So I was surprised to find a large red patch. I thought it could have been perspiration but I had not been hot and the other breast was not wet or red. Immediately I noticed a foul odor to the moisture and I recognized it as an odor I get when I have a yeast infection in the bladder or vagina. I do not recall ever having such a red patch. I have occassionally been red the from a soap allergy but this is different. Any ideas? Marge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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