Guest guest Posted January 28, 2001 Report Share Posted January 28, 2001 Steve: this could be a die-off for your son, reduce his intake if he is feeling really bad, you need to make sure his bowels are going good every day at least a couple of times. once he has a bowel movement he will feel sooo much better. you get flu like symptoms, after he feels better keep up with his meds and gradually get back up to the same dose he was taking before he felt bad. lots of distilled water will help with the die off. is he taking any meds for his Autism? i have mentioned before i have 2 grandsons with this, 1 aspergers, bio-polar, & speech problems and the other one doesn't have all the problems as the first, but i cannot convince my daughter they have yeast, & their diet of course is limited & i really believe she doesn't have the heart or strength to do anything about it, this past summer she had a stroke from her yeast & still doesn't have all her memory back & i don't think she will. i fought with her Dr's in the hosp to PLEASE TEST her for yeast & they refused. running out of room. let me know God's Blessings Mog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2001 Report Share Posted January 28, 2001 It sounds typical to me. Although I never experienced a fever. What is recommended is to back off on the antifungal until the die-off symptoms subside some. You can reduce the dose or skip it a few days. It usually takes a bowel movement from me to have die-off relief. One addition to this therapy is keeping the bowels moving regular if possible. No need to go to extremes though. I haven't had experience with children, just my personal experiences. We have to remember that children cannot communicate their ills and feeling to us. Hope I helped some. LIZ Die off? Hello all, We have a five year old boy diagnosed with autism. He had 4 rounds of antibiotics in his first year and tested positive through his naturopath for a yeast overgrowth - the suggestion being that an infant with yeast overgrowth may appear autistic since normal development would be near impossible in that condition. We started the candida diet with nystatin two weeks ago. This past week has been marked by a bad cold and, starting today, a fever. He has been extremely lethargic all week as well. It has us thinking of stopping here and now. Does this strike any of you as being typical of a yeast die-off and if so, how long does it last? Steve _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2001 Report Share Posted January 29, 2001 Hi there. Meanwhile the die off sympthoms are worsening why do you not change the nystatin by a product with garlic?. Greetings. Claudio _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2002 Report Share Posted April 1, 2002 I experience die-off symptoms after about 24 hours so anything is possible...every person is different ------------------------------------------------ Get the award winning ISP, AT & T WorldNet Service http://download.att.net/webtag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2002 Report Share Posted August 25, 2002 Madge, It sounds like die off to me, yes it can be bad but it depends on how much you changed your diet. If you also stopped caffeine and sugar and some other things, it could be withdrawal. When I took some bentonite and psyllium shakes, I didn't seem to feel as bad, but you can still get crampy and headachey. Just try to get through it because it definitely means that you are killing things and they are getting into your system to be removed. It isn't pleasant but I've always read that the quicker the bad symptoms, the better it is working. They do say that the worst should pass within 5 - 7 days. Good luck. > I just started the sf722 3 days ago...taking 2-3 capsules a day. > > Yesterday I started feeling pretty crappy...bad headache and stomach > not too happy. Last night and today I've been incapacitated by a > splitting headache and severely cramping stomach. I thought > something was seriously wrong last night. > > Is this die-off? It seems a little extreme for the amount I'm taking > and the short period of time I've been taking it. > > Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated! (as I sit here bent over > from stomach cramps) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2002 Report Share Posted August 26, 2002 I must say, my problem is definitely not constipation. I'm pretty much in the bathroom every hour. I was up every hour last night. I was also running a fever last night...not too high, only 100.4. I took some immodium 2 hours ago...I guess that's probably counter productive, but I don't think it's done anything for the cramps. I was just starting to feel a bit dehydrated. A little background on me...I didn't even know I had a candida problem until I started eating low carb over a year ago. Apparently cutting back on feeding the little nasties really pissed them off! I still stay within 50-70 carbs a day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 Jeanne otn wrote: > > It has been so long since I have had die off symptoms it just seems so overwhelming. I don't know if this is die off or a virus. I recently read some where that all a cold is, is the body's attempt to rid itself of fluid. comments? ==>I believe you are experiencing detoxing symptoms. Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 , > I am wanting to sleep all the time. I feel drugged and just wondering > if this can be part of the die off syndrome? I cheat at times on my > diet and find it hard at times to stick to, but this time around, since > I got strict again, now I'm like some person half drugged and being > sleepy all day. If I lie down, I drop off to sleep and can remain like > that for hours losing total track of time. What antifungals are you using? Chris -- The Truth About Cholesterol Find Out What Your Doctor Isn't Telling You: http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 , > > I am wanting to sleep all the time. I feel drugged and just wondering > > if this can be part of the die off syndrome? I cheat at times on my > > diet and find it hard at times to stick to, but this time around, since > > I got strict again, now I'm like some person half drugged and being > > sleepy all day. If I lie down, I drop off to sleep and can remain like > > that for hours losing total track of time. > What antifungals are you using? Additionally, are you taking other drugs like aspirin or anything? And what do you typically eat in a day? Chris -- The Truth About Cholesterol Find Out What Your Doctor Isn't Telling You: http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 I'm not using any official antifungals, just diet and having some coconut oil daily. I eat pretty much things like meats, chicken, eggs (free range), vegetables and fats like butter, lard, olive oil, coconut oil etc. I drink water or herbal tea. I don't tolerate selenium too well, have tried it. I take vitamin C, milk thistle, pure fish oil, and will need to get some other supplements also. Am tight for cash right now, so don't have luxury of a lot of choice. I rely mainly at this time on diet and it seems since cheating and now being strict, I'm just wanting to sleep the entire time. I do not use anything like aspirin etc. . > > > > What antifungals are you using? > > Chris > -- > The Truth About Cholesterol > Find Out What Your Doctor Isn't Telling You: > http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 , two things I know of that cause fatigue are toxin load (sometimes called die-off or herxheimer effect) and glutathione depletion, probably in this case a response to toxin load. Fatigue patients nearly always have low glutathione as what you do have is diverted to more essential tissues. Are you using about 70 grams of undenatured whey and 400 mcg selenium, and still using inulin? Duncan > > I am wanting to sleep all the time. I feel drugged and just wondering > if this can be part of the die off syndrome? I cheat at times on my > diet and find it hard at times to stick to, but this time around, since > I got strict again, now I'm like some person half drugged and being > sleepy all day. If I lie down, I drop off to sleep and can remain like > that for hours losing total track of time. > > Just wondering if this is normal? and if others here are experiencing > anything or have experienced anything similar? > > thanks > > . > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 , > I'm not using any official antifungals, just diet and having some > coconut oil daily. I eat pretty much things like meats, chicken, > eggs (free range), vegetables and fats like butter, lard, olive oil, > coconut oil etc. I drink water or herbal tea. I don't tolerate > selenium too well, have tried it. I take vitamin C, milk thistle, > pure fish oil, and will need to get some other supplements also. It could be die-off, then. Your immune system requires a lot of resources and you will naturally need some rest. You felt better when you were cheating, or only before you cheated? Chris -- The Truth About Cholesterol Find Out What Your Doctor Isn't Telling You: http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 No, I am not using inulin, selenium or undenatured whey. Firstly I live in new zealand and not sure where the undenatured whey and inulin would be available. I also do not tolerate selenium much at all, I do not enjoy my reactions to it, so had to stop last time. Also I am not financially well off, and a lot of these supplements tend to cost quite a bit. I am not sure what to do. I do have selenium in the cupboard and guess I'll try it again, but not looking forward to it. I have sodium selenite and another type of selenium by Thornes. Thanks for your response though. I may ahve to find some way of getting the other products. . > > , two things I know of that cause fatigue are toxin load > (sometimes called die-off or herxheimer effect) and glutathione > depletion, probably in this case a response to toxin load. Fatigue > patients nearly always have low glutathione as what you do have is > diverted to more essential tissues. > > Are you using about 70 grams of undenatured whey and 400 mcg > selenium, and still using inulin? > > Duncan > > > > > > > I am wanting to sleep all the time. I feel drugged and just > wondering > > if this can be part of the die off syndrome? I cheat at times on > my > > diet and find it hard at times to stick to, but this time around, > since > > I got strict again, now I'm like some person half drugged and being > > sleepy all day. If I lie down, I drop off to sleep and can remain > like > > that for hours losing total track of time. > > > > Just wondering if this is normal? and if others here are > experiencing > > anything or have experienced anything similar? > > > > thanks > > > > . > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 I don't think I felt better when I was cheating, but don't recall having this kind of drugged sleepiness. I guess it's hard to tell at the moment. I have trouble sticking to the diet long enough to really know how much benefit I'd gain. If I cheat? Then by the next day, when I'm not eating sugars, I start to go into a drug like sleep. It's strange, but I'm trying hard to stick this out and not cheat. I really have problems with this, I have a major sugar addiction and once I start eating it, I can't seem to switch it off and have the ability to consume so much food it's incredible. Thanks a lot for your help. . > > , > > > I'm not using any official antifungals, just diet and having some > > coconut oil daily. I eat pretty much things like meats, chicken, > > eggs (free range), vegetables and fats like butter, lard, olive oil, > > coconut oil etc. I drink water or herbal tea. I don't tolerate > > selenium too well, have tried it. I take vitamin C, milk thistle, > > pure fish oil, and will need to get some other supplements also. > > It could be die-off, then. Your immune system requires a lot of > resources and you will naturally need some rest. You felt better when > you were cheating, or only before you cheated? > > Chris > > -- > The Truth About Cholesterol > Find Out What Your Doctor Isn't Telling You: > http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 Hi Yes, my husband had that at the beginning (for the first 6 months or so), he would fall asleep on the couch after dinner and nothing could keep him awake. It has gone away. Keen die off? I am wanting to sleep all the time. I feel drugged and just wondering if this can be part of the die off syndrome? I cheat at times on my diet and find it hard at times to stick to, but this time around, since I got strict again, now I'm like some person half drugged and being sleepy all day. If I lie down, I drop off to sleep and can remain like that for hours losing total track of time. Just wondering if this is normal? and if others here are experiencing anything or have experienced anything similar? thanks . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 I don't believe in a " die off " per se. When you recover from yeast, symptoms just get milder, then fade way entirely. > > I don't think I felt better when I was cheating, but don't recall > having this kind of drugged sleepiness. I guess it's hard to tell at > the moment. I have trouble sticking to the diet long enough to > really know how much benefit I'd gain. If I cheat? Then by the next > day, when I'm not eating sugars, I start to go into a drug like sleep. > > It's strange, but I'm trying hard to stick this out and not cheat. I > really have problems with this, I have a major sugar addiction and > once I start eating it, I can't seem to switch it off and have the > ability to consume so much food it's incredible. > > Thanks a lot for your help. > > . > > > > , > > > > > I'm not using any official antifungals, just diet and having some > > > coconut oil daily. I eat pretty much things like meats, chicken, > > > eggs (free range), vegetables and fats like butter, lard, olive > oil, > > > coconut oil etc. I drink water or herbal tea. I don't tolerate > > > selenium too well, have tried it. I take vitamin C, milk thistle, > > > pure fish oil, and will need to get some other supplements also. > > > > It could be die-off, then. Your immune system requires a lot of > > resources and you will naturally need some rest. You felt better > when > > you were cheating, or only before you cheated? > > > > Chris > > > > -- > > The Truth About Cholesterol > > Find Out What Your Doctor Isn't Telling You: > > http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 How can you recover from yeast if you don't take steps to help your body reduce it? And why is it people suffer symptoms as they are " recovering " ? So there must be some kind of detox/die off taking place if there is a worsening then an improvement, which seems to be a very common senario with many on these forums. I cannot recover from my yeast issues, as I have other problems going on that I cannot find answers to. All started from viral infection, and then possible jawbone infection. So my only way is attempting to somehow keep things at an easier level and the only way to do this (at least it's worked in the past) is with diet. It doesn't cure me because I have other things going on at the sametime preventing full recovery. This is why when I cheat, I plummet back down again and have to start from scratch. The diet isn't the issue, my other problems are. The diet can only do so much, but at least it's " something " . At least it provides the body with what it requires and eliminates what hinders healing. This is why I believe some people have ongoing issues with candida, because some other underlining condition is not being dealt with, OR they are unable to find a solution to the other issues that might have otherwise cured them properly. The body should always have the capacity to deal with yeast overgrowth without a person going to great lengths, but if there is too much for the body to deal with at onetime, then maybe it's no mystery why some of us have to make ongoing heroic efforts just to midly improve our symptoms... > > > I don't believe in a " die off " per se. When you recover from yeast, > symptoms just get milder, then fade way entirely. > > > > > > > > I don't think I felt better when I was cheating, but don't recall > > having this kind of drugged sleepiness. I guess it's hard to tell > at > > the moment. I have trouble sticking to the diet long enough to > > really know how much benefit I'd gain. If I cheat? Then by the > next > > day, when I'm not eating sugars, I start to go into a drug like > sleep. > > > > It's strange, but I'm trying hard to stick this out and not > cheat. I > > really have problems with this, I have a major sugar addiction and > > once I start eating it, I can't seem to switch it off and have the > > ability to consume so much food it's incredible. > > > > Thanks a lot for your help. > > > > . > > > > > > , > > > > > > > I'm not using any official antifungals, just diet and having > some > > > > coconut oil daily. I eat pretty much things like meats, > chicken, > > > > eggs (free range), vegetables and fats like butter, lard, > olive > > oil, > > > > coconut oil etc. I drink water or herbal tea. I don't > tolerate > > > > selenium too well, have tried it. I take vitamin C, milk > thistle, > > > > pure fish oil, and will need to get some other supplements > also. > > > > > > It could be die-off, then. Your immune system requires a lot of > > > resources and you will naturally need some rest. You felt > better > > when > > > you were cheating, or only before you cheated? > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > -- > > > The Truth About Cholesterol > > > Find Out What Your Doctor Isn't Telling You: > > > http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 HI Keen, thanks for that. I sure hope that's what it is with me! I just have to stick to this diet long enough to find out whether I will truly gain benefits (I did in the past a few times, but struggling these days) and whether I remain on it long enough to sustain them. It is a case of ongoing will power and patience. > > Hi > > Yes, my husband had that at the beginning (for the first 6 months or > so), he would fall asleep on the couch after dinner and nothing could > keep him awake. It has gone away. > > Keen > > ----- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 If you are having a lot of cravings, you should look at whether your nutrition is right. I know you said you are strapped for cash (I can sympathise, this is so expensive to treat!!!), but try adding as many different types of vegetables to your diet as you can. Also, maybe you can afford to buy a good quality multivitamin/mineral or green food. I think the biggest problem a lot of us suffer from is malnutrition - since I've been taking a green food I do notice the difference. Keen Re: die off? HI Keen, thanks for that. I sure hope that's what it is with me! I just have to stick to this diet long enough to find out whether I will truly gain benefits (I did in the past a few times, but struggling these days) and whether I remain on it long enough to sustain them. It is a case of ongoing will power and patience. > > Hi > > Yes, my husband had that at the beginning (for the first 6 months or > so), he would fall asleep on the couch after dinner and nothing could > keep him awake. It has gone away. > > Keen > > ----- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 I know the tight money situation too and struggle myself to be able to get the supplements I need the most. As soon as you are able, I would recommened adding the undenatured whey and inulin along with the selenium you already have. These are the things that have helped me the most and you can even cheat a " little " once you're taking these regularly. I know how hard it is to stick to the diet too. If you can get yourself to go long enough, those sugar cravings will go away. Maybe if you try to take it one day at a time - just one more day, just one more day Gail > Keen > > > > HI Keen, thanks for that. I sure hope that's what it is with me! I > just have to stick to this diet long enough to find out whether I will > truly gain benefits (I did in the past a few times, but struggling > these days) and whether I remain on it long enough to sustain them. It > is a case of ongoing will power and patience. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 --- This is why I believe some people have ongoing issues with candida, because some other underlining condition is not being dealt with, *<*<*< Is this the reason why it is hard to rid your body of yeast? Because it is overwhelmed with whatever your condidtion is Sue ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search./shortcuts/#news Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Elaine, maybe you know of die off by its proper name, the Herxheimer effect. It's been documented, and not believing in it doesn't reconcile the fact you can reduce it by dealing with the toxin load. Sure, toxic symptoms eventually go away on its own, but left untreated there is a cost; as just posted the reduced selenium alone causes increased candida risk. Toxin load causes organ impairment, cell death, and it's behind autoimmunes, mitochondrial diseases and cancer. Maybe a read of the detoxification heading of my glutathione references would help bring you up to speed on this crucial aspect of health. http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/glutathione-references.html Duncan > > > > I don't think I felt better when I was cheating, but don't recall > > having this kind of drugged sleepiness. I guess it's hard to tell > at > > the moment. I have trouble sticking to the diet long enough to > > really know how much benefit I'd gain. If I cheat? Then by the > next > > day, when I'm not eating sugars, I start to go into a drug like > sleep. > > > > It's strange, but I'm trying hard to stick this out and not > cheat. I > > really have problems with this, I have a major sugar addiction and > > once I start eating it, I can't seem to switch it off and have the > > ability to consume so much food it's incredible. > > > > Thanks a lot for your help. > > > > . > > > > > > , > > > > > > > I'm not using any official antifungals, just diet and having > some > > > > coconut oil daily. I eat pretty much things like meats, > chicken, > > > > eggs (free range), vegetables and fats like butter, lard, > olive > > oil, > > > > coconut oil etc. I drink water or herbal tea. I don't > tolerate > > > > selenium too well, have tried it. I take vitamin C, milk > thistle, > > > > pure fish oil, and will need to get some other supplements > also. > > > > > > It could be die-off, then. Your immune system requires a lot of > > > resources and you will naturally need some rest. You felt > better > > when > > > you were cheating, or only before you cheated? > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > -- > > > The Truth About Cholesterol > > > Find Out What Your Doctor Isn't Telling You: > > > http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 , You're at a definite disadvantage and your road to health will be much more difficult without the cash to buy supplements. All the highest-antioxidant foods and the very highest natural inulin- containing vegetables you can dig should be part of your diet. Dig? Yes; I expect many of these will be weeds, actually. I think Scotch Thistle root, anything in the lily family, things like that, probably grow in New Zealand; these can be staple foods. You still need selenium 300 mcg or so daily. Duncan > > HI Keen, thanks for that. I sure hope that's what it is with me! I > just have to stick to this diet long enough to find out whether I will > truly gain benefits (I did in the past a few times, but struggling > these days) and whether I remain on it long enough to sustain them. It > is a case of ongoing will power and patience. > > > > > > Hi > > > > Yes, my husband had that at the beginning (for the first 6 months or > > so), he would fall asleep on the couch after dinner and nothing could > > keep him awake. It has gone away. > > > > Keen > > > > ----- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Hi Gail, thanks. I'll try and do that. If these are the most important supplments, perhaps I should concentrate on buying them more than anything else. I'm trying to stick to this diet and hope to make it long enough to see any benefits at all. Though I see Duncan's point also and it seems I will definitely have to take it a step further. I have my selenium, so I'll try taking that at this time. . > > I know the tight money situation too and struggle myself to be able > to get the supplements I need the most. As soon as you are able, I > would recommened adding the undenatured whey and inulin along with > the selenium you already have. These are the things that have helped > me the most and you can even cheat a " little " once you're taking > these regularly. > > I know how hard it is to stick to the diet too. If you can get > yourself to go long enough, those sugar cravings will go away. Maybe > if you try to take it one day at a time - just one more day, just one > more day > > Gail > > > Keen > > > > > > > > HI Keen, thanks for that. I sure hope that's what it is with me! > I > > just have to stick to this diet long enough to find out whether I > will > > truly gain benefits (I did in the past a few times, but struggling > > these days) and whether I remain on it long enough to sustain > them. It > > is a case of ongoing will power and patience. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Well, the cravings drive me nuts at times, which I do think is part of my candida problem. I could try finding a green food supplement, thanks. So good ones would be green food supplement, inulin, selenium and undenatured whey...? I also take a fish oil supplement. Vegetables I mainly eat are lots of onions, tomatoes, broccoli, cucumber, and also eat some celery, alfalfa, lettuce. . > > If you are having a lot of cravings, you should look at whether your > nutrition is right. I know you said you are strapped for cash (I can > sympathise, this is so expensive to treat!!!), but try adding as many > different types of vegetables to your diet as you can. Also, maybe you > can afford to buy a good quality multivitamin/mineral or green food. I > think the biggest problem a lot of us suffer from is malnutrition - > since I've been taking a green food I do notice the difference. > > Keen > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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