Guest guest Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 Sam, would you be willing to share your water kefir "recipe"? I tried using water kefir grains some time back, and it didn't work well for me at all. I am used to the dairy kefir grains, which work fine, but my water kefir grains never multiplied AT ALL, and they just didn't seem to be working right. I would love to hear your recipe, and also wonder if anyone in the Durham/Chapel Hill area has water kefir grains to spare. Regarding the carb issue: it is called the "specific carbohydrate diet" for a reason - some carbs are excluded (all grains, all starchy vegetables such as sweet potatoes and potatoes, most legumes) but fruit and vegetable carbs are allowed because they are easier to digest. It has to do with the shape of the molecule, I believe, the disaccharides are out because they are hard to digest, the monosaccharides are okay because easier to digest. [ ] probiotic drink i've been reading the posts about probiotics and we have major food allergies in my family and have not found one that we can take, so i've been making tons of water kefir and coconut kefir for my family to drink and so far so good. there are tons of recipes and its a very easy way to get my toddler to take his probiotics, he thinks its soda because ity's kind of carbonated. any way its worth a try and VERY cheap it cost me $8 for the water kefir culture and it just keeps growing and growing so much that i don't know what to do with it. you never have to buy more culture and it lives off of fruit and water so there's no dairy or other allergens. and the culture eats the sugar from the fruit, that's what makes it grow and work, so there's no sugar left in the final drink.i have a ? about diet and healing the gut, are you suppose to stay off all carbs? because the GAPS diet says fruits ok but no grains, even dried fruit is allowed, wouldn't the natural sugars in the dried fruit feed the pathogenic bateria?sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 >thank you claire for the carb clarification, we're just starting the GAPS diet and i'm alittle confused. the recipe i got was from the woman who i bought the grains off of and she says it soooo important to use the right water. only high mineral or spring water or else they won't grow. also the container has to be right. if your using a mason jar it needs to be lined with plastic wrap and do not close it too tight the best container is the glass jar with the rubber sealer so to allow pressure. for 3 cups you add grains to 2c water, 1c apple juice with 2-4 tb. white sugar (this will get eaten up so not to worry) then 1- 2 inches of fresh banana thinnly sliced. let sit in a cuboard for 1-2 days then discard banana's or you can re-use it, you can also experiment with different juices but the apple juice makes them grow the best if you have anymore questions i love to help. > Sam, would you be willing to share your water kefir " recipe " ? I tried using water kefir grains some time back, and it didn't work well for me at all. I am used to the dairy kefir grains, which work fine, but my water kefir grains never multiplied AT ALL, and they just didn't seem to be working right. I would love to hear your recipe, and also wonder if anyone in the Durham/Chapel Hill area has water kefir grains to spare. > > Regarding the carb issue: it is called the " specific carbohydrate diet " for a reason - some carbs are excluded (all grains, all starchy vegetables such as sweet potatoes and potatoes, most legumes) but fruit and vegetable carbs are allowed because they are easier to digest. It has to do with the shape of the molecule, I believe, the disaccharides are out because they are hard to digest, the monosaccharides are okay because easier to digest. > > > > > [ ] probiotic drink > > > i've been reading the posts about probiotics and we have major food allergies in my family > and have not found one that we can take, so i've been making tons of water kefir and coconut > kefir for my family to drink and so far so good. there are tons of recipes and its a very easy > way to get my toddler to take his probiotics, he thinks its soda because ity's kind of > carbonated. any way its worth a try and VERY cheap it cost me $8 for the water kefir culture > and it just keeps growing and growing so much that i don't know what to do with it. you > never have to buy more culture and it lives off of fruit and water so there's no dairy or other > allergens. and the culture eats the sugar from the fruit, that's what makes it grow and work, > so there's no sugar left in the final drink. > > i have a ? about diet and healing the gut, are you suppose to stay off all carbs? because the > GAPS diet says fruits ok but no grains, even dried fruit is allowed, wouldn't the natural sugars > in the dried fruit feed the pathogenic bateria? > > sam > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 The way I do water kefir is to add about a cup of rapadura to a quart and a half of tap water and however many grains I have. If I feel like flavor, I add dried fruit, fresh fruit, fruit juice or even grated ginger. Let sit on the counter for about 3 days. I do it in a big jar, leave it open for the first day or two, then seal it for the second half to get it carbonated. Taste it along the way - it'll start out sweet and flat, then the sweet goes away, then it turns sour - like vinegar. If you put too much sugar in, it might turn a bit alcoholic. As for the grains multiplying, I just accidentally left mine for about a week or a little more, and it totally turned to vinegar AND all the grains multiplied like crazy - there are a ton of tiny grains now. BIL brews his with apple cores, and claims that's what makes them multiply. On Dec 11, 2007 7:53 AM, samadamfamily <samadamfamily@...> wrote: >thank you claire for the carb clarification, we're just starting the GAPS diet and i'm alittle confused. the recipe i got was from the woman who i bought the grains off of and she says it soooo important to use the right water. only high mineral or spring water or else they won't grow. also the container has to be right. if your using a mason jar it needs to be lined with plastic wrap and do not close it too tight the best container is the glass jar with the rubber sealer so to allow pressure. for 3 cups you add grains to 2c water, 1c apple juice with 2-4 tb. white sugar (this will get eaten up so not to worry) then 1- 2 inches of fresh banana thinnly sliced. let sit in a cuboard for 1-2 days then discard banana's or you can re-use it, you can also experiment with different juices but the apple juice makes them grow the best if you have anymore questions i love to help. > Sam, would you be willing to share your water kefir " recipe " ? I tried using water kefir grains some time back, and it didn't work well for me at all. I am used to the dairy kefir grains, which work fine, but my water kefir grains never multiplied AT ALL, and they just didn't seem to be working right. I would love to hear your recipe, and also wonder if anyone in the Durham/Chapel Hill area has water kefir grains to spare. > > Regarding the carb issue: it is called the " specific carbohydrate diet " for a reason - some carbs are excluded (all grains, all starchy vegetables such as sweet potatoes and potatoes, most legumes) but fruit and vegetable carbs are allowed because they are easier to digest. It has to do with the shape of the molecule, I believe, the disaccharides are out because they are hard to digest, the monosaccharides are okay because easier to digest. > > > > > [ ] probiotic drink > > > i've been reading the posts about probiotics and we have major food allergies in my family > and have not found one that we can take, so i've been making tons of water kefir and coconut > kefir for my family to drink and so far so good. there are tons of recipes and its a very easy > way to get my toddler to take his probiotics, he thinks its soda because ity's kind of > carbonated. any way its worth a try and VERY cheap it cost me $8 for the water kefir culture > and it just keeps growing and growing so much that i don't know what to do with it. you > never have to buy more culture and it lives off of fruit and water so there's no dairy or other > allergens. and the culture eats the sugar from the fruit, that's what makes it grow and work, > so there's no sugar left in the final drink. > > i have a ? about diet and healing the gut, are you suppose to stay off all carbs? because the > GAPS diet says fruits ok but no grains, even dried fruit is allowed, wouldn't the natural sugars > in the dried fruit feed the pathogenic bateria? > > sam > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 > > >thank you claire for the carb clarification, we're just starting the GAPS > > diet and i'm alittle > > confused. > > > > the recipe i got was from the woman who i bought the grains off of and she > > says it soooo > > important to use the right water. only high mineral or spring water or > > else they won't > > grow. also the container has to be right. if your using a mason jar it > > needs to be lined with > > plastic wrap and do not close it too tight the best container is the glass > > jar with the rubber > > sealer so to allow pressure. for 3 cups you add grains to 2c water, 1c > > apple juice with 2-4 > > tb. white sugar (this will get eaten up so not to worry) then 1- 2 inches > > of fresh banana > > thinnly sliced. let sit in a cuboard for 1-2 days then discard banana's or > > you can re-use it, > > you can also experiment with different juices but the apple juice makes > > them grow the > > best > > > > if you have anymore questions i love to help. > > > > > > > Sam, would you be willing to share your water kefir " recipe " ? I tried > > using water kefir > > grains some time back, and it didn't work well for me at all. I am used to > > the dairy kefir > > grains, which work fine, but my water kefir grains never multiplied AT > > ALL, and they just > > didn't seem to be working right. I would love to hear your recipe, and > > also wonder if > > anyone in the Durham/Chapel Hill area has water kefir grains to spare. > > > > > > Regarding the carb issue: it is called the " specific carbohydrate diet " > > for a reason - some > > carbs are excluded (all grains, all starchy vegetables such as sweet > > potatoes and potatoes, > > most legumes) but fruit and vegetable carbs are allowed because they are > > easier to digest. > > It has to do with the shape of the molecule, I believe, the disaccharides > > are out because > > they are hard to digest, the monosaccharides are okay because easier to > > digest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ ] probiotic drink > > > > > > > > > i've been reading the posts about probiotics and we have major food > > allergies in my > > family > > > and have not found one that we can take, so i've been making tons of > > water kefir and > > coconut > > > kefir for my family to drink and so far so good. there are tons of > > recipes and its a very > > easy > > > way to get my toddler to take his probiotics, he thinks its soda because > > ity's kind of > > > carbonated. any way its worth a try and VERY cheap it cost me $8 for the > > water kefir > > culture > > > and it just keeps growing and growing so much that i don't know what to > > do with it. you > > > never have to buy more culture and it lives off of fruit and water so > > there's no dairy or > > other > > > allergens. and the culture eats the sugar from the fruit, that's what > > makes it grow and > > work, > > > so there's no sugar left in the final drink. > > > > > > i have a ? about diet and healing the gut, are you suppose to stay off > > all carbs? because > > the > > > GAPS diet says fruits ok but no grains, even dried fruit is allowed, > > wouldn't the natural > > sugars > > > in the dried fruit feed the pathogenic bateria? > > > > > > sam > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 I keep it sealed in either a mason jar or one with a rubber gasket and wire lock - I forget what they're called. It stays bubbly on the counter and in the fridge. I don't like things super-carbonated, though, so it might be kinda flat by some standards. Definitely fizzy, though On Dec 16, 2007 5:06 PM, samadamfamily <samadamfamily@...> wrote: > > >thank you claire for the carb clarification, we're just starting the GAPS > > diet and i'm alittle > > confused. > > > > the recipe i got was from the woman who i bought the grains off of and she > > says it soooo > > important to use the right water. only high mineral or spring water or > > else they won't > > grow. also the container has to be right. if your using a mason jar it > > needs to be lined with > > plastic wrap and do not close it too tight the best container is the glass > > jar with the rubber > > sealer so to allow pressure. for 3 cups you add grains to 2c water, 1c > > apple juice with 2-4 > > tb. white sugar (this will get eaten up so not to worry) then 1- 2 inches > > of fresh banana > > thinnly sliced. let sit in a cuboard for 1-2 days then discard banana's or > > you can re-use it, > > you can also experiment with different juices but the apple juice makes > > them grow the > > best > > > > if you have anymore questions i love to help. > > > > > > > Sam, would you be willing to share your water kefir " recipe " ? I tried > > using water kefir > > grains some time back, and it didn't work well for me at all. I am used to > > the dairy kefir > > grains, which work fine, but my water kefir grains never multiplied AT > > ALL, and they just > > didn't seem to be working right. I would love to hear your recipe, and > > also wonder if > > anyone in the Durham/Chapel Hill area has water kefir grains to spare. > > > > > > Regarding the carb issue: it is called the " specific carbohydrate diet " > > for a reason - some > > carbs are excluded (all grains, all starchy vegetables such as sweet > > potatoes and potatoes, > > most legumes) but fruit and vegetable carbs are allowed because they are > > easier to digest. > > It has to do with the shape of the molecule, I believe, the disaccharides > > are out because > > they are hard to digest, the monosaccharides are okay because easier to > > digest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ ] probiotic drink > > > > > > > > > i've been reading the posts about probiotics and we have major food > > allergies in my > > family > > > and have not found one that we can take, so i've been making tons of > > water kefir and > > coconut > > > kefir for my family to drink and so far so good. there are tons of > > recipes and its a very > > easy > > > way to get my toddler to take his probiotics, he thinks its soda because > > ity's kind of > > > carbonated. any way its worth a try and VERY cheap it cost me $8 for the > > water kefir > > culture > > > and it just keeps growing and growing so much that i don't know what to > > do with it. you > > > never have to buy more culture and it lives off of fruit and water so > > there's no dairy or > > other > > > allergens. and the culture eats the sugar from the fruit, that's what > > makes it grow and > > work, > > > so there's no sugar left in the final drink. > > > > > > i have a ? about diet and healing the gut, are you suppose to stay off > > all carbs? because > > the > > > GAPS diet says fruits ok but no grains, even dried fruit is allowed, > > wouldn't the natural > > sugars > > > in the dried fruit feed the pathogenic bateria? > > > > > > sam > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2007 Report Share Posted December 18, 2007 > > > > >thank you claire for the carb clarification, we're just starting the > > GAPS > > > > diet and i'm alittle > > > > confused. > > > > > > > > the recipe i got was from the woman who i bought the grains off of and > > she > > > > says it soooo > > > > important to use the right water. only high mineral or spring water or > > > > else they won't > > > > grow. also the container has to be right. if your using a mason jar it > > > > needs to be lined with > > > > plastic wrap and do not close it too tight the best container is the > > glass > > > > jar with the rubber > > > > sealer so to allow pressure. for 3 cups you add grains to 2c water, 1c > > > > apple juice with 2-4 > > > > tb. white sugar (this will get eaten up so not to worry) then 1- 2 > > inches > > > > of fresh banana > > > > thinnly sliced. let sit in a cuboard for 1-2 days then discard > > banana's or > > > > you can re-use it, > > > > you can also experiment with different juices but the apple juice > > makes > > > > them grow the > > > > best > > > > > > > > if you have anymore questions i love to help. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sam, would you be willing to share your water kefir " recipe " ? I > > tried > > > > using water kefir > > > > grains some time back, and it didn't work well for me at all. I am > > used to > > > > the dairy kefir > > > > grains, which work fine, but my water kefir grains never multiplied AT > > > > ALL, and they just > > > > didn't seem to be working right. I would love to hear your recipe, and > > > > also wonder if > > > > anyone in the Durham/Chapel Hill area has water kefir grains to spare. > > > > > > > > > > Regarding the carb issue: it is called the " specific carbohydrate > > diet " > > > > for a reason - some > > > > carbs are excluded (all grains, all starchy vegetables such as sweet > > > > potatoes and potatoes, > > > > most legumes) but fruit and vegetable carbs are allowed because they > > are > > > > easier to digest. > > > > It has to do with the shape of the molecule, I believe, the > > disaccharides > > > > are out because > > > > they are hard to digest, the monosaccharides are okay because easier > > to > > > > digest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ ] probiotic drink > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i've been reading the posts about probiotics and we have major food > > > > allergies in my > > > > family > > > > > and have not found one that we can take, so i've been making tons of > > > > water kefir and > > > > coconut > > > > > kefir for my family to drink and so far so good. there are tons of > > > > recipes and its a very > > > > easy > > > > > way to get my toddler to take his probiotics, he thinks its soda > > because > > > > ity's kind of > > > > > carbonated. any way its worth a try and VERY cheap it cost me $8 for > > the > > > > water kefir > > > > culture > > > > > and it just keeps growing and growing so much that i don't know what > > to > > > > do with it. you > > > > > never have to buy more culture and it lives off of fruit and water > > so > > > > there's no dairy or > > > > other > > > > > allergens. and the culture eats the sugar from the fruit, that's > > what > > > > makes it grow and > > > > work, > > > > > so there's no sugar left in the final drink. > > > > > > > > > > i have a ? about diet and healing the gut, are you suppose to stay > > off > > > > all carbs? because > > > > the > > > > > GAPS diet says fruits ok but no grains, even dried fruit is allowed, > > > > wouldn't the natural > > > > sugars > > > > > in the dried fruit feed the pathogenic bateria? > > > > > > > > > > sam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2007 Report Share Posted December 18, 2007 Where can I get water kefir grains to make this? I only have the milk kefir grains. TIA,shari -- [ ] Re: probiotic drink > > > > >thank you claire for the carb clarification, we're just starting the> > GAPS> > > > diet and i'm alittle> > > > confused.> > > >> > > > the recipe i got was from the woman who i bought the grains off of and> > she> > > > says it soooo> > > > important to use the right water. only high mineral or spring water or> > > > else they won't> > > > grow. also the container has to be right. if your using a mason jar it> > > > needs to be lined with> > > > plastic wrap and do not close it too tight the best container is the> > glass> > > > jar with the rubber> > > > sealer so to allow pressure. for 3 cups you add grains to 2c water, 1c> > > > apple juice with 2-4> > > > tb. white sugar (this will get eaten up so not to worry) then 1- 2> > inches> > > > of fresh banana> > > > thinnly sliced. let sit in a cuboard for 1-2 days then discard> > banana's or> > > > you can re-use it,> > > > you can also experiment with different juices but the apple juice> > makes> > > > them grow the> > > > best> > > >> > > > if you have anymore questions i love to help.> > > >> > > >> > > > > Sam, would you be willing to share your water kefir "recipe"? I> > tried> > > > using water kefir> > > > grains some time back, and it didn't work well for me at all. I am> > used to> > > > the dairy kefir> > > > grains, which work fine, but my water kefir grains never multiplied AT> > > > ALL, and they just> > > > didn't seem to be working right. I would love to hear your recipe, and> > > > also wonder if> > > > anyone in the Durham/Chapel Hill area has water kefir grains to spare.> > > > >> > > > > Regarding the carb issue: it is called the "specific carbohydrate> > diet"> > > > for a reason - some> > > > carbs are excluded (all grains, all starchy vegetables such as sweet> > > > potatoes and potatoes,> > > > most legumes) but fruit and vegetable carbs are allowed because they> > are> > > > easier to digest.> > > > It has to do with the shape of the molecule, I believe, the> > disaccharides> > > > are out because> > > > they are hard to digest, the monosaccharides are okay because easier> > to> > > > digest.> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > [ ] probiotic drink> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > i've been reading the posts about probiotics and we have major food> > > > allergies in my> > > > family> > > > > and have not found one that we can take, so i've been making tons of> > > > water kefir and> > > > coconut> > > > > kefir for my family to drink and so far so good. there are tons of> > > > recipes and its a very> > > > easy> > > > > way to get my toddler to take his probiotics, he thinks its soda> > because> > > > ity's kind of> > > > > carbonated. any way its worth a try and VERY cheap it cost me $8 for> > the> > > > water kefir> > > > culture> > > > > and it just keeps growing and growing so much that i don't know what> > to> > > > do with it. you> > > > > never have to buy more culture and it lives off of fruit and water> > so> > > > there's no dairy or> > > > other> > > > > allergens. and the culture eats the sugar from the fruit, that's> > what> > > > makes it grow and> > > > work,> > > > > so there's no sugar left in the final drink.> > > > >> > > > > i have a ? about diet and healing the gut, are you suppose to stay> > off> > > > all carbs? because> > > > the> > > > > GAPS diet says fruits ok but no grains, even dried fruit is allowed,> > > > wouldn't the natural> > > > sugars> > > > > in the dried fruit feed the pathogenic bateria?> > > > >> > > > > sam> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 > > > > > >thank you claire for the carb clarification, we're just starting > the > > > GAPS > > > > > diet and i'm alittle > > > > > confused. > > > > > > > > > > the recipe i got was from the woman who i bought the grains off of > and > > > she > > > > > says it soooo > > > > > important to use the right water. only high mineral or spring water > or > > > > > else they won't > > > > > grow. also the container has to be right. if your using a mason jar > it > > > > > needs to be lined with > > > > > plastic wrap and do not close it too tight the best container is the > > > glass > > > > > jar with the rubber > > > > > sealer so to allow pressure. for 3 cups you add grains to 2c water, > 1c > > > > > apple juice with 2-4 > > > > > tb. white sugar (this will get eaten up so not to worry) then 1- 2 > > > inches > > > > > of fresh banana > > > > > thinnly sliced. let sit in a cuboard for 1-2 days then discard > > > banana's or > > > > > you can re-use it, > > > > > you can also experiment with different juices but the apple juice > > > makes > > > > > them grow the > > > > > best > > > > > > > > > > if you have anymore questions i love to help. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sam, would you be willing to share your water kefir " recipe " ? I > > > tried > > > > > using water kefir > > > > > grains some time back, and it didn't work well for me at all. I am > > > used to > > > > > the dairy kefir > > > > > grains, which work fine, but my water kefir grains never multiplied > AT > > > > > ALL, and they just > > > > > didn't seem to be working right. I would love to hear your recipe, > and > > > > > also wonder if > > > > > anyone in the Durham/Chapel Hill area has water kefir grains to > spare. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding the carb issue: it is called the " specific carbohydrate > > > diet " > > > > > for a reason - some > > > > > carbs are excluded (all grains, all starchy vegetables such as sweet > > > > > potatoes and potatoes, > > > > > most legumes) but fruit and vegetable carbs are allowed because they > > > are > > > > > easier to digest. > > > > > It has to do with the shape of the molecule, I believe, the > > > disaccharides > > > > > are out because > > > > > they are hard to digest, the monosaccharides are okay because easier > > > to > > > > > digest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ ] probiotic drink > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i've been reading the posts about probiotics and we have major > food > > > > > allergies in my > > > > > family > > > > > > and have not found one that we can take, so i've been making tons > of > > > > > water kefir and > > > > > coconut > > > > > > kefir for my family to drink and so far so good. there are tons of > > > > > recipes and its a very > > > > > easy > > > > > > way to get my toddler to take his probiotics, he thinks its soda > > > because > > > > > ity's kind of > > > > > > carbonated. any way its worth a try and VERY cheap it cost me $8 > for > > > the > > > > > water kefir > > > > > culture > > > > > > and it just keeps growing and growing so much that i don't know > what > > > to > > > > > do with it. you > > > > > > never have to buy more culture and it lives off of fruit and water > > > so > > > > > there's no dairy or > > > > > other > > > > > > allergens. and the culture eats the sugar from the fruit, that's > > > what > > > > > makes it grow and > > > > > work, > > > > > > so there's no sugar left in the final drink. > > > > > > > > > > > > i have a ? about diet and healing the gut, are you suppose to stay > > > off > > > > > all carbs? because > > > > > the > > > > > > GAPS diet says fruits ok but no grains, even dried fruit is > allowed, > > > > > wouldn't the natural > > > > > sugars > > > > > > in the dried fruit feed the pathogenic bateria? > > > > > > > > > > > > sam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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